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Posted: Thursday, September 3, 2009 10:00 pm

To cut or not to cut. That is the question. Many coaches face the dilemma of choosing whether to limit their roster sizes by cutting players or keeping all interested players who try out for their teams.

The more advanced the players are and the more competitive the team and/or league is, the more cuts there tend to be.

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23 comments:

  • posted at 7:03 pm on Tue, Sep 8, 2009.

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    Parent controlled never works.

     
  • posted at 3:27 am on Mon, Sep 7, 2009.

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    The best experience that our son had in football was when he was coached by a man who didn't have a son in the program, that man was Phil Robertson. He was fortunate to have the opportunity to play in the old Mountain league. It wss run by the Bobs and the administration was not parent controlled. They weren't looking our for their "own" kids they were looking out for all kids and the ommunity. When the ties to the individual high schools started, it ruined the youth program, especially Lodi High Jr. Flames.

     
  • posted at 4:10 pm on Sun, Sep 6, 2009.

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    Mywords& Fanatic:) I understand where you are comming from. It's tuff to even think for one minute that coaches and owners are for the CHILDREN. I don't buy into that either. If these youth sports are designed for the youth than why cut? why use only one player out of 35 to run and throw the ball? Makes me feel sick inside that every Saturday I watch it happen with my own eyes. I would LOVE to see us lose using all of the TEAM than win with one to three kids. Oh! Did I mention most are coaches Kids..Yup, it's true.

     
  • posted at 8:45 pm on Fri, Sep 4, 2009.

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    Is there any youth football program in Lodi that is fair and run by adults that put the needs of the kids first? Are these coaches trained or ?? Not just anyone can coach and make decisions where all of these kids are concerned. Who runs these programs?

     
  • posted at 11:25 am on Fri, Sep 4, 2009.

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    This is suppose to be a Lodi Flames feeder program. My question is, did any kids outside of the Lodi High boundaries get accepted on any Jr Flames team? If so, I would bet it is because it can help them WIN games. Jr Flames coaches or board, can and will you answer this question

     
  • posted at 11:07 am on Fri, Sep 4, 2009.

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    myword i see your point...i also wonder why there is kids that can play on levels with 27 but the coach is trying to make him loose 5 pounds to go on a team that already has 35 kids???was there any kid that could have gone up and made room for that kid that got cut???

     
  • posted at 11:01 am on Fri, Sep 4, 2009.

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    To Bullgog. If they don't want a first come first serve approach and they don't want to cut kids, then what do they want? I believe a child should not be cut from a youth football team. If the child that gets there two minutes two late and is told sorry we are full we can put you on a waiting list, then that is fine. Don't put the kid threw practice and scrimmages and then tell a 9 year old, sorry little buddy you are not good enough to play on this team.That is no better than saying the kids had to suffer for their parents actions. The kid has no clue what is going on. Is it not youth football? Isn't it suppose to be about the youth. Does anybody really know where the money goes?

     
  • posted at 10:45 am on Fri, Sep 4, 2009.

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    bulldog i like your comments,but lets be realistic if the kid that show up 2 min. late is way better then the one that showed up 2 min earlier then him..who are they going to pencil in for the team?

     
  • posted at 10:25 am on Fri, Sep 4, 2009.

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    Lodian - Jr Flames tried having 2 teams of each age group and it did not work out so well. They did not have enough quality coaches and resources to manage that many kids. I would think that if there were more kids than three organizations could handle in Lodi, another organization would start up.It would be great to see Jim Elliot start a feeder program. Maybe then they could get enough players at the high school level to give them a fighting chance every year.

     
  • posted at 10:21 am on Fri, Sep 4, 2009.

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    To answer the money question - and I am not a board member of the jr flames - but I believe they refund the fees if a player is cut.And I don't think the Jr. Flames are rolling in dough. How much do you think it costs to rent the grape bowl, pay for officials, carry insurance, and outfit 170 football players? The Jr flames board has always been fairly upfront about where the money goes. I think they make the financials available to the parents if they ask.Mywords - I don't think they cut very many kids this year. I think it was only in 1 age group that was overloaded. They take all the kids who want to play, and then give them the chance to earn a spot on the team. I don't think they want a first come - first served approach. Why should one kid be denied because he got in line 2 minutes after the last spot was taken?

     
  • posted at 9:56 am on Fri, Sep 4, 2009.

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    WOW!!! Truthfully is so right. That Tokay Thunder Unnorginized lazy organization sounds horrible. Who would do such a thing to kids that age. Thank you truthfully for speaking your mind, you are awesome. Parents need to be aware of what these organizations are about. RUFKM you statement is also so true. They are way too babied and can't handle the high school level.I have an idea where all the dough is going, can you say Honda, Harleys,Hhr's.

     
  • posted at 9:41 am on Fri, Sep 4, 2009.

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    one more thing.How come nobody on tokay thunder was interviewed in this artical?I noticed on there board they have a public relations member(dont know why they would need this,these are kids)was it cause they were to lazy to meet with Joelle Milholm,or did they not return her phone call?

     
  • posted at 9:08 am on Fri, Sep 4, 2009.

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    Reading the blogs I can agree with something from everyone so far cuts do suck!!but I have one that’s worse then getting cut how bout telling an 8,9,and 12 year old child you cant play because even though your parents busted there butts to help build the organization, and then questioned about how things were going to the owners of tokay thunder, they were deemed as being to opinionated. I find it very unfair that any child should be turned away or be cut for any reason. Youth Sports has become more of an Adult function instead of what is in the best interest of the child. Cont…

     
  • posted at 9:08 am on Fri, Sep 4, 2009.

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    Now Quoting what was said from the coach/board member/treasure of tokay thunder, “sometimes the kids have to suffer for the parents actions” now was this voted on by a board? Or just by the owner of Tokay thunder? Was this ever brought up to the parents to vote on??NO the owner of Tokay thunder showed his power and put who he wants on the field. I would rather my kid sit the bench all game, then be told he/she can’t play because they were not good enough or their parents cheered to loud.cont...

     
  • posted at 9:07 am on Fri, Sep 4, 2009.

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    Tokay Thunder tries to present themselves as being an organization for the kids when in reality they are only trying to build their own name again. They lack communication skills and are procrastinators. They are a irresponsible unorganized organization that takes them 6 weeks to return the players birth certificates back and takes them another 8 weeks to return your phone call/if they do at all. Cont…

     
  • posted at 8:22 am on Fri, Sep 4, 2009.

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    Pop warner programs are ruining high school sports.Kids get babied, learn very few fundamentals, see practice as optional and get these feeling of entitlement and superiority. I wonder what these programs do with all the dough they get? Any ideas?

     
  • posted at 7:41 am on Fri, Sep 4, 2009.

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    Fanatic is right. Youth football is not what it should be. I am having a hard time understanding why the Jr. Flames would take these parents money let the kids go out to practice and then tell the child he/she could not play.It should have been handled differently. As far as the Thunder goes and The Tigers each team is not about the kids. It is for the presidents/owners own special gains.Kids want to play sports and be part of a team.These organizations don't see that.They see dollar signs and trophy's.

     
  • posted at 7:03 am on Fri, Sep 4, 2009.

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    What I do not understand is why would a child be cut from the program if he was a return player. These leagues are supposed to be for the kids, and to cut any child because they don’t fit their profile as an “All American Athlete” is detrimental to the child’s well – being or any child to that matter “No Child Should Be Turned Away”. That is why coaches are coaches to teach the child the sport and to succeed not only on the field but in society as well. As far as profiling the Thunder as Saints they are the same way as the Jr Flames they also cut players because the parents did not peak their interest, in which children were also turned away from them too.

     
  • posted at 6:44 am on Fri, Sep 4, 2009.

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    Bulldog is on the $$.. Jr.Flames now in Northern California Sport Alliance. Don't blame the reporter looks like she was quoting Jr. Flames staff.(??) Bobcats would roster many kids but as Bulldog stated, MANY would never see the field. Mr. Patterson quoted the Bobcat teams as "very compeative?" They never won a game in the Delta League!

     
  • posted at 6:28 am on Fri, Sep 4, 2009.

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    Bulldog: Might it be possible to add another team so all the kids can play? How does that work?

     
  • posted at 6:27 am on Fri, Sep 4, 2009.

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    Mywords: Good questions.

     
  • posted at 5:50 am on Fri, Sep 4, 2009.

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    I have a question regarding the Jr. Flames and them cutting players. Why would you allow so many children to sign up if you knew there was a limit? Wouldn't you just tell the families you are full? If you give priority spots to returning players, why did a veteran get cut? Just asking!!!

     
  • posted at 2:14 am on Fri, Sep 4, 2009.

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    Joelle - your article is inaccurate. The Jr Flames do not play in the NYFL anymore. They moved to the NCSA. They were very competitive in the NYFL but wanted to step up to a more competitive league. Jim Patterson has a selective memory. The Bbobcats went out of business because they did not play or coach all the kids. Many just sat on the sidelines, even during practice.The reason the Jr. Flames limit the size of the roster is because of the minimum play rule in the league that requires every player to get into every game. If you don't limit the number of kids, you can't get them all into the game.Cuts really suck. Unfortunately, they are a byproduct of a successful program. When more kids want to play than can be accomodated, someone has to be cut. No one likes it.

     

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