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• Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:03 pm on Thu, Aug 23, 2012.

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  Interesting how god has all the same hatreds, prejudices, and false information as his followers

  Andy seems to know much about an entity ( god) that he sees no evidence exists...

  If god is love itself, hard to imagine god hates anything.

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• Kevin Paglia posted at 2:27 pm on Sun, Aug 19, 2012.

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  Andy, you are right, I did miss the reappearance of Real Facts. Missing that information I thought the post in referring to a disappearing poster was in reference to me for leaving the last post. Thank you for the correction

  In reference to washing hands. Biblically it says nothing unclean should enter the temple. This included the people. This is the basis of the phrase "cleanliness is next to Godliness". Since "good" Jews were expected to spend a lot of time in the temple it was expected they would wash before each time entering. It was also Jewish tradition to wash hands BEFORE breaking bread. Don't know when things changed.

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• Andy Crowder posted at 2:07 pm on Sun, Aug 19, 2012.

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  Kevin, beyond the misuse of "angstrom", the claims of your source are impossible. Wool and linen are not good conductors. Wool especially (natural oils) is a fine insulator and does not conduct electricity even when dunked in water. If the human body could lose it's charge so easily, your life would be in peril each time you were caught out in a rainstorm, and diving into a pool would be an act of suicide. Swimmers do not get cancer any more than the rest of us, and the notion that wearing a wool and linen garment could lead to illness is preposterous.

  If your god wanted to prevent human suffering and illness with the levitical laws, it seems strange that "he" did not simply say, "Wash your hands." Such a simple command to wash hands before eating, after handling sick animals, after defecating, before touching your eyes or a wound, etc. would have saved literally millions of lives throughout the course of history. We had to wait for science to discover bacteria and the necessity of hand washing. In comparison, the notion that you shouldn't wear linen and wool together seems like an item from The Onion.

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• Andy Crowder posted at 1:54 pm on Sun, Aug 19, 2012.

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  Kevin, I am guessing that you missed the reappearance of "Real Facts" on this thread yesterday. Both of his posts were removed within hours. Mr. Houdak's remarks seem directed at a challenge posted by Real Facts.

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• Kevin Paglia posted at 1:01 pm on Sun, Aug 19, 2012.

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  Normally I would agree that just posting links doesn't do much good, but to cut and paste all the info and THEN referance the same article seemed silly to me.

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• Kevin Paglia posted at 12:59 pm on Sun, Aug 19, 2012.

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  Andy: A good point about the angstroms. A qick search though showed that the term was also used to describe solar radiation. If I remember right the link referanced an article that was writen in the 1830's. I wonder if the author carried the term used in the article not realizing the definition had since be refined. It is an interesting arguement for the reason not to wear the Biblical wool and Linen together. Considering in those days a person would probably only have a couple outfits. Wearing one that was detrimental to your helath would be a bad idea.

  This is true of most of the Old Testiment "laws". Perscriptions for individual health, family health or community health.
  

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• Kevin Paglia posted at 12:47 pm on Sun, Aug 19, 2012.

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  "But the fact remains there is no evidence any bible stories are true and a lot of evidence they are fantasy. Happy delusions to you."

  Interesting. Jeicho has been found but according to you it didn't exist. Sodom and Gomorrah has been found AND found to have experienced extreme disaster. But by your statement they didn't exist. Massive floods that would have been the "whole world" to people who thought the world was just what they knew of have been discovered.

  You say happy delusions to me, but you are the one who is delusional. Or maybe more denial that delusional. MOST Biblical stories have had the basics confirmed, it is only the DETAILS that are in question. Far different from the "Fantasy" you call them.

  Since I am on the subject of delusion and fantasy let's look at your master, Science. Science says that two unproven mysterious, unable to be found "membranes" came together can caused the "big Bang" that formed us all. Science once said drilling holes in people head was good for them. Science says what cannot be observed can't exist. Let's be real, it takes just as much "faith" to believe in science as it does to have religious "faith".

  Oh, and I am not a "dude". "Dude" is used by those raised to be manner-less and inconsiderate. But then you have already proven yourself to be one such person.
  

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• Rick Houdack posted at 10:01 am on Sun, Aug 19, 2012.

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  To the vanished poster looking for a debate; dude, this is a comment section of a local newspaper. When bloggers make claims about reality that can't be substantiated, they should be called on it. If you need to memorize every aspect of superstition so you can challenge others to a myth trivia contest, go for it. But the fact remains there is no evidence any bible stories are true and a lot of evidence they are fantasy. Happy delusions to you.

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• Andy Crowder posted at 7:35 am on Sun, Aug 19, 2012.

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  I am very glad you decided to rejoin the religion discussions, Kevin. Honestly, you are one of the few faithful on these fora with any knowledge of science.

  I'm sure you would agree with me that just posting links (other than for documentation) makes for an arduous discussion. However, I did access the first link, and this is what struck me right off: angstroms are units of length, not a measurement of electricity. This is not science, but a ham-handed attempt to justify ancient myth.

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• Kevin Paglia posted at 5:28 pm on Sat, Aug 18, 2012.

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  I'll leave the rebuttals to those who are more studied thatn I:

  Lev 19:19 http://opentheword.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=213:dont-mix-wool-with-linen&catid=38:bible-verified&Itemid=135

  LEv 19:27 http://bible.cc/leviticus/19-27.htm

  Exo 20:8-11 Shoot, don't need help with this one. If you work every day, no rest no family time, no time to recover from the rigors of living, then you will have a miserable life.

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• Andy Crowder posted at 9:55 am on Sat, Aug 18, 2012.

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  Interesting how god has all the same hatreds, prejudices, and false information as his followers. I remember when god hated mixed race marriage, and before that, he was a cheerleader for slavery and genocide. Always nice to see how god's morality evolves at the same rate as the pew sitters.

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• Rick Houdack posted at 7:03 am on Sat, Aug 18, 2012.

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  Baker needs to read a few more pages of his bible before he makes his claims of biblical morality regarding marriage. Is Baker making the case for biblical polygamy? Or are those bible passages he ignores because he cannot explain them away? How about biblical concubines? Are those acceptable? After all, they are biblical.

  How about biblical rapists being forced to marry their victims? That's a law you would endorse, Baker? It's biblical, so it must be fine, right? How about selling your daughter to the highest bidder as a biblical slave? That's biblically moral, right, Baker?

  Looking for morality in the bible is like looking for sweet corn in the droppings in a toilet bowl; there may be some here and there, but is it really worth it?

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• David Diskin posted at 1:04 am on Sat, Aug 18, 2012.

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  Tom, since you are so fond of the laws laid out in the Holy Bible, I look forward to your future pieces that discuss other Levitican laws.

  Perhaps next week you can share with us your take on wearing clothing of mixed fabric (Lev 19:19), not cutting your hair or shaving (19:27), or working on the Sabbath (Exo 20:8-11 ).

  I would expect that your vitrol and dedication to Biblical law be just as consistent with ALL of the laws therein, and not just one verse. Otherwise, you're cherry-picking God's law.

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