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Posted: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:00 pm

With Election Day coming on Tuesday, Pastor Bill Cummins will discuss God's views on politics and whether he cares how the election turns out, at Sunday's services at Bear Creek Community Church in south Lodi.

Cummins will answer the following questions:

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58 comments:

  • posted at 11:11 am on Mon, Nov 10, 2008.

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    I wonder if Pastor Bill Cummins discusses God's views on politics at the pulpit after November 4th. I guess he thought it was very important to make sure the church's views were well known before the congregation went off to vote that week.

     
  • posted at 11:07 am on Mon, Nov 10, 2008.

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    Have you seen this one?No on Prop 8 "Home Invasion"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps2NpihrbZE

     
  • posted at 6:53 am on Mon, Nov 10, 2008.

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    Lodian -No matter what Gerard may have said, he will deny it when cornered, then he'll cry foul and eventually flounce away in a huff.Go ahead. Try it. You'll see.

     
  • posted at 3:45 am on Mon, Nov 10, 2008.

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    lodisafeway wrote "Still, the notion that churches are refrained from "discussing" politics is ridiculous. What they are prohibited from doing (in order to retain their tax-exempt status) is officially stating their support or opposition to candidates or issues from the pulpit."Are you claiming that no churches stated their support for prop 8 from the pulpit, encouraging their congregation to do the same, as well as donated millions to back that position?

     
  • posted at 12:44 am on Mon, Nov 10, 2008.

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    Doesn't anyone find it interesting that the article printed was merely a series of questions with no answers provided? Although the election is over and Proposition 8 was decided in favor of securing marriage as a union between one man and one woman, the issue isn't going to just up and go away any time soon.Still, the notion that churches are refrained from "discussing" politics is ridiculous. What they are prohibited from doing (in order to retain their tax-exempt status) is officially stating their support or opposition to candidates or issues from the pulpit.Here we have a church extending an invitation to anyone who would like to hear what one church believes God's stand is on the underlying issues that formed the need for Proposition 8. Nowhere in the article are we provided even a glimpse as to what was to be discussed.However, those who are so quick to label anyone who even dares to debate this issue as bigoted, homophobic and hateful, might have been surprised as to just what was talked about during these services. I doubt that it was political, bigoted, homophobic or hateful in nature.

     
  • posted at 6:24 am on Fri, Nov 7, 2008.

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    God supports all of us. To vote, and to help change the world. If most of us though of God when we were thinking about who should we vote for then we would do the right thing. We would also get involved more to help others and to make things better for all of us. I have read many responses in a negative way about others. Just put yourself in their shoes for a second before speaking. Just like God put his son before us for us to see the truth.

     
  • posted at 3:46 pm on Wed, Nov 5, 2008.

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    well, you do get points tonight for picking truth over people.you will be disappointed to know i didn't drop dead of a heart attack like said i probably would once i saw it happen.h5, (and my apologies at the same time)

     
  • posted at 8:30 am on Wed, Nov 5, 2008.

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    Ohhh snap..... Real Facts and I agree on something....

     
  • posted at 5:51 am on Wed, Nov 5, 2008.

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    obama was a smooth talker armed with a brilliant buzzword ("change"), so we will see what the man with about zero qualifications FOR being president can really do.yes the country needed a change of direction, but it isn't the man with the best command of the english language that can get the job done, it is more the man that can do what he promised in the first place.i am not a hater, i hope obama "can". however i didn't buy the "master orator" gig, and being the realist i am, i don't hold out a whole lot of hope he can. i think he is not much more than a smooth politician.one thing that REALLY caught my eye about obama, is that out of the two candidates, obama was the one the terrorists were hoping would get elected, and that says ALOT about obama's future "abilities"we will see

     
  • posted at 5:40 am on Wed, Nov 5, 2008.

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    ("peppier2 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 12:27 AM: To Real Facts--Please get off Billy Rubin's back. You aren't proving anything when you call him names. You have to love all people and constantly getting after him isn't helping. ").that would be a NO.the guy is getting what he has coming to him based on the God-hating jerk that he is.purposefull evil doesn't deserve "loving", and billy is just an evil little troll bent on the destruction of others faith.you think i am exaggerating? read EVERY ONE of the articles in the religion section and note "who" posted FIRST, and the garbage he posted, and THEN tell me billy doesn't deserve what i give himgo ahead and read it, and then comment back to me

     
  • posted at 3:54 am on Wed, Nov 5, 2008.

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    The people have spoken.Thank God Obama is the man that was elected to deal with this mess American is in right now. I couldn't imagine any other candidate dealing with today's problems. I thought President elect Obama's victory speech was brilliant, classy and humble. I also thought McCain conceded with grace. The jeers at McCain's speech last night, when he spoke of Obama, were pretty darn tacky though...not a classy group.

     
  • posted at 6:30 pm on Tue, Nov 4, 2008.

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    i guess we know who the people like. keep hope alive.

     
  • posted at 6:27 pm on Tue, Nov 4, 2008.

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    To Real Facts--Please get off Billy Rubin's back. You aren't proving anything when you call him names. You have to love all people and constantly getting after him isn't helping.

     
  • posted at 3:31 pm on Tue, Nov 4, 2008.

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    not in this blog.you implied it in the other

     
  • posted at 2:35 pm on Tue, Nov 4, 2008.

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    NEVER said searching, read again..

     
  • posted at 2:23 pm on Tue, Nov 4, 2008.

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    ("Robb wrote on Nov 4, 2008 12:50 PM:" God defines morality.?That is an ABSOLUTE lie, you are a liar, and I am sure that I am not the only one who is tired of your garbage ").now wait a minute. you just claimed on the other blog you were "searching for God". you think your going to find HIM while making disparaging remarks ABOUT HIM?like you being "tired" of a universal truth is going to make it "disappear"it's simple, despite your God hating wishes, that "if" there is a God, EVERYTHING that matters IS defined by HIM.what's funny, is watching how you contradict who you say you are ...."i am searching""no, wait a minute, i hate God"make up your mind robb

     
  • posted at 10:57 am on Tue, Nov 4, 2008.

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    I think Churches have gotten involved in politics this year because of Prop 8. Marriage is religious act. Most religions don't except gay marriage. Just look across the board. I just wanted to chime in. I don't what to get pelted. So I'll move on.

     
  • posted at 6:50 am on Tue, Nov 4, 2008.

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    God defines morality.?That is an ABSOLUTE lie, you are a liar, and I am sure that I am not the only one who is tired of your garbage

     
  • posted at 6:46 am on Tue, Nov 4, 2008.

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    ("SportsGuru wrote on Nov 4, 2008 12:20 PM: On this topic, keep in mind that Osama Bin Laden believes God is on his side. ").well i guess when obama hunts him down and brings him on oprah, osama been hidin will find out he was wrong

     
  • posted at 6:44 am on Tue, Nov 4, 2008.

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    i still think it's funny with the billy invite(s). like that will ever happenanyway, the LAST thing i want to do is "entrust" you people with who i am.given your penchant for lying in here alone, i would be a fool hanging around you guysno thanks - too smart

     
  • posted at 6:41 am on Tue, Nov 4, 2008.

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    ("Robb wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:32 AM:" Church has NO business even disusing politics.. ").as per the law ladies and gentlemen, the church CAN discuss politics anytime it wants, and it is SUPPOSED to because God defines morality.the ONLY thing a church cannot do is endorse a specific candidateyou can't "seperate" religion from politics, as God is in every arena of life, much as you all would like to pick and choose where he is/isn'tit's funny, you want God "in there" when your family is going thru a near death crises, yet you tell him to take a hike in areas he belongssays alot about what you really think about who God isGod is not your personal conceierge

     
  • posted at 6:34 am on Tue, Nov 4, 2008.

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    ("Timothy wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:46 AM:" My wife and I spent last Saturday with Billy. He is a great friend and a wonderful man").obviously your standards are what a "man" that IS honorable, is extremely really low.while billy may be "nice" while he is around you, in here he is a trolling jerk looking for trouble, God hating human toilet, that lies and twists peoples words purposefully for destructive intent, if i may be so truthful.to other people that oppose his view, he is a God hating jerk, and it might saying alot about you that you would label him a "wonderful man".i can understand "mentoring" less than stellar people in the name of love and understanding, but billy is a no conscience haterlook, there is a complete difference when people struggle with things in life and don't act human, but billy is on another level, and that's why God wouldn't "invite billy over to his house" ....UNLESS billy's heart changed.God doesn't "coexist" with evil, but God loves those that "struggle"

     
  • posted at 6:20 am on Tue, Nov 4, 2008.

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    .On this topic, keep in mind that Osama Bin Laden believes God is on his side.

     
  • posted at 4:32 am on Tue, Nov 4, 2008.

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    Timothy wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:49 AM:" My comment on this story is that churches should not be political. They are tax exempt entities. If they wish to stay that way they should stay out of politics. "I agree. The churches have sure gotten involved this year. There should be some investigations there as millions have been spent on political campaigns through these churches. They have organized protests and beyond. It's not right. Actually, its illegal as per their non-profit status.

     
  • posted at 4:32 am on Tue, Nov 4, 2008.

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    Church has NO business even disusing politics..

     
  • posted at 4:29 am on Tue, Nov 4, 2008.

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    Billy has a lot on invites for Thanksgiving and any other time. He's already got my invitation. RF is not following what a Christian should do... WWJD? I know... HE would invite Billy and anyone else for the holidays (or any other time).You would think that RF would be thrilled to invite Billy over to the house. Well, a real Christian would do so, but we all know RF is not a Christian man so no surprise there. Jesus would never turn anyone away, NO ONE! I have invited RF to the house. he says he knows where I live, so it shouldn't be a problem, yet he refused the invitation. Whatayagonnado?

     
  • posted at 2:49 am on Tue, Nov 4, 2008.

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    My comment on this story is that churches should not be political. They are tax exempt entities. If they wish to stay that way they should stay out of politics.

     
  • posted at 2:47 am on Tue, Nov 4, 2008.

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    Cogito, Satan is a democrat?? LOL.

     
  • posted at 2:46 am on Tue, Nov 4, 2008.

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    My wife and I spent last Saturday with Billy. He is a great friend and a wonderful man. He knows he is welcome in our home anytime.

     
  • posted at 2:24 am on Tue, Nov 4, 2008.

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    " The Reason 78% of hispanics will vote today for Obama is because he has promised to grant total Amnesty to 12 million illegal immigrants! That looks to me nothing but bribery for a vote! It shouldn't be a reason to elect someone to run our country when he is only a First Term Senator, with a "Bag of promises he won't fulfill"! You Demo voters will have 4 years to ponder as to why you followed his words of hope so foolishly!http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081104/pl_nm/us_usa_politics_poll_hispanics_2 "

     
  • posted at 1:58 am on Tue, Nov 4, 2008.

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    <<<Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Nov 4, 2008 7:08 AM:" I offer you to hug it out, you reject the offer, and then say it is our loss? Hmmm... I don't think your god would look too kindly upon your vanity RF.Billy has an open invite to my house for Thanksgiving or anytime. He knows how to contact me. Don't be jealous RF. Maybe you'll be worthy of an invite someday, but I get to say grace! ">>>You will all be loved up for thanksgiving. Awhh pity none of it's real. God supports the winner. How do I know? Because only those who God supports wins. I think that is how Christians see it.How big is you Turkey?

     
  • posted at 1:08 am on Tue, Nov 4, 2008.

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    I offer you to hug it out, you reject the offer, and then say it is our loss? Hmmm... I don't think your god would look too kindly upon your vanity RF.Billy has an open invite to my house for Thanksgiving or anytime. He knows how to contact me. Don't be jealous RF. Maybe you'll be worthy of an invite someday, but I get to say grace!

     
  • posted at 5:00 pm on Mon, Nov 3, 2008.

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    hey voter and bob, seeing how you two are in a loving mood, whats your progress on asking billy over for thanksgiving.i would love the both of you to prove me wrong that you were BOTH lying about it for "PR" purposes.saddle up. who will be the first? do it while you are melancholy. you can always regret it later

     
  • posted at 4:57 pm on Mon, Nov 3, 2008.

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    too bad you guys don't know who i really am outside these blogs, you would probably drop dead from the shockwhile i have this tendency to tell the truth in all arenas in life, even in pressing situations that demand i chose God over family, you would be totally shocked that for most of the entirety of my relationship with Christ, i hang around NON Christians way more than Christians, and it certainly isn't a matter of not being able to coexist with anyone, it's just what God has called me to do.that said, i hang around people like you guys all the time. the difference is people don't pull what you guys pull in real life. blogs have a way of making people "less than concerned" about what they sayneither of you would say the things you do in here to someones face. the difference between me and you (when pressed) is i wouldtherefore, "group hug" would be nice, but theNOretically it isn't possible given your "trustworthyness"too bad. it's your loss

     
  • posted at 2:41 pm on Mon, Nov 3, 2008.

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    Group hug. I'm in.

     
  • posted at 2:33 pm on Mon, Nov 3, 2008.

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    RF is all flustered. I love it.C'mon, let's hug it out buddy.

     
  • posted at 2:31 pm on Mon, Nov 3, 2008.

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    Cogito, since God likes to spread his love to everyone, that would make him a Socialist....and I think Satan is a Whig.

     
  • posted at 2:27 pm on Mon, Nov 3, 2008.

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    I am in a pretty good mood tonight, so not taking that bait. But hey, it was a good effort!

     
  • posted at 2:15 pm on Mon, Nov 3, 2008.

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    The answer to the question " is God a Republican or a Democrat" is that God is neither. However, I'm pretty sure Satan is a Democrat.

     
  • posted at 2:14 pm on Mon, Nov 3, 2008.

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    no man love for me, i don't swing that way.your talking billy's language though, and unless you have billy's personal email address, i don't see a formal invitation from you for billy to come to your house.don't tell me you lied about it for "PR" purposeslaughinggo ahead. cast your net and see what you catch. don't be shy bob, billy is waiting because lodian and voter lied about as well, and your billy's last stop hope.you see him self imploding in here. do YOU want to let him down? your not that much of a zero are you?ask him

     
  • posted at 12:34 am on Mon, Nov 3, 2008.

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    Oh RF, I just want to give you a big ol' bear hug and tell you everything is gonna be all right. It sounds like you need it little man.C'mere RF.....

     
  • posted at 5:33 pm on Sun, Nov 2, 2008.

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    dang, would you look at that?i am like a matchmaker for the ain'tsyou integrity ain'ts talk a big game, but let's see you put your turkey where your foot usually is...ask him, i DARE YOU.before bob does though, bob has some reconciling to do over calling billy a "fruit" before billy shows up and hands bob his 1,000th black eyeyou guys trade billy's sick perversion tactics all day long in here for your rediculous "personal freedom".your all an altrusic act, and neither one of you will follow thru with it, because you all know what billy really is, and you wouldn't dare

     
  • posted at 5:26 pm on Sun, Nov 2, 2008.

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    ("voter wrote;" Just for the record, my family would be happy to have Billy as our guest any day of the year--thanks for the suggestion, RF. ").wow. that self admission exceeds about anything i have ever witnessed in these blogs.tells alot about you and i guess, "your family"voter, i don't know if anybody has ever been this blunt with you, but there is a WORLD of difference in "compassion" and the "willful sewer", and even the likes of jerry springer wouldn't have the likes of billy on HIS show, which in turn speaks volumnes about YOU.i dunno, those people that live downwind from chicken farms say they can't smell the "stench" after awhile.must be what happens when you swim in the same river.be a man of your word then and invite billy over, and then see up close and person if your "trade" for "personal freedom" was worth itif everything goes right, billy will wisper in YOUR ear for you to go have sex with YOUR daughterwhat do you want to bet you won't ask billy?

     
  • posted at 5:11 pm on Sun, Nov 2, 2008.

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    That would be interesting, Bob.

     
  • posted at 1:54 pm on Sun, Nov 2, 2008.

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    Billy: mi casa es su casa. You're invited too RF. I'd love to get the two of you in the same room.

     
  • posted at 1:29 pm on Sun, Nov 2, 2008.

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    voter wrote on Nov 2, 2008 6:19 PM:" Just for the record, my family would be happy to have Billy as our guest any day of the year--thanks for the suggestion, RF. "Me too, Billy. We'd welcome you in our home. I understand that this is what Jesus would do as well.

     
  • posted at 12:19 pm on Sun, Nov 2, 2008.

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    Just for the record, my family would be happy to have Billy as our guest any day of the year--thanks for the suggestion, RF.

     
  • posted at 11:30 am on Sun, Nov 2, 2008.

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    ("Lodian wrote on Nov 2, 2008 4:11 PM:" I visited the Bear Creek Community Church once. Never went back again. ").that's probably because what they had to say biblically opposed everything you are currently.what you should have admitted, is that you RAN out of there, because Gods word indicts your CHOICESyou know lodian, choosing to fight against Gods standards is a CHOICE.just like homosexuality is a CHOICEjust like lying and saying billy is "sane" is a CHOICE.no one "has to"

     
  • posted at 11:25 am on Sun, Nov 2, 2008.

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    ("voter wrote on Nov 2, 2008 1:09 PM:" Did anyone actually go hear this sermon? As much as I believe that Bob Hussein Loblaw has hit the nail on the head, I would love to hear what sort of wisdom was dispensed by Pastor Bill this morning. ").it's probably for the best that you didn't show up dragging billy the human toilet behind your leg as your current "truth boat anchor".just on the stench issue alone, they wouldn't have allowed you insidemaybe when you "clean up" they willsay voter, how *sane* is billy when he said "Christians cruising around galt and lodi looking to shoot queers". that was a hoot, right?you should invite billy to thanksgiving at YOUR HOUSE, so billy can pass the stench onto the rest of your familydo all your family members drag "truth" porta-toilets around, or is it only you?

     
  • posted at 11:18 am on Sun, Nov 2, 2008.

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    ("Billy Rubin wrote on Nov 2, 2008 6:13 AM: " Sorry Reverend Fruitcake, but your personal attacks on me are inappropriate.Do you have a comment on the story? ").my apologies then. maybe i should rip a page out of your playbook where you tell me to "go have sex with my daughter", and....."Christians cruise galt and lodi looking to shoot queers"you mean more on topic stuff like we are used to seeing from youi get it

     
  • posted at 10:11 am on Sun, Nov 2, 2008.

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    I visited the Bear Creek Community Church once. Never went back again.

     
  • posted at 10:11 am on Sun, Nov 2, 2008.

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    real facts wrote "self control is not your forte."Look who's talking! LOL!

     
  • Ross Farrow posted at 9:12 am on Sun, Nov 2, 2008.

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    To Billy Rubin: This was merely an announcement of a sermon that was being given. This in no way indicates that the News-Sentinel's agreement with the topic.

     
  • posted at 7:09 am on Sun, Nov 2, 2008.

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    Did anyone actually go hear this sermon? As much as I believe that Bob Hussein Loblaw has hit the nail on the head, I would love to hear what sort of wisdom was dispensed by Pastor Bill this morning.

     
  • posted at 6:33 am on Sun, Nov 2, 2008.

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    This is easy: yes, Republican, yes, yes, and yes. There, I saved everyone 90 minutes of boredom and you can stay home to watch football. You're welcome.My question for Cummins: Does his god go to the polls or vote absentee?

     
  • posted at 1:13 am on Sun, Nov 2, 2008.

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    Sorry Reverend Fruitcake, but your personal attacks on me are inappropriate.Do you have a comment on the story?

     
  • posted at 7:15 pm on Sat, Nov 1, 2008.

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    maybe if you would utilize self control and stop trolling looking to spread your hate for all things "God", we wouldn't be "wishing" so much.self control is not your forte. expending ALL your efforts to justify the lack of control over just one body part, has led to your self implosion in here of your ENTIRE lifewhile you are flailing away at Christians, your short term memory loss "forgets" that you told me to "go have sex with my daughter, because the bible says so".....and your most recent "why" of the why YOU are the one that's the degenerate among us....."they roam the streets of galt and lodi looking to shoot queers"yeah billy, your some example of what "we" should beyour a lying (and trolling for trouble) human toilet, and even barry obama would call you one

     
  • posted at 4:30 am on Sat, Nov 1, 2008.

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    "Who does God support in the election?"?Wha...?DID I READ THAT RIGHT???Yeah, that's really what it says.Well, I guess it's official.The Lodi News-Sentinel has finally devolved into nothing more "journalistic" than a second-rate church youth-group newsletter. The National Enquirer for simple-minded Christian fundamentalists.Gee, when can we look forward to receiving the issue with the blue Jesus Dot readers can cut out and hold between their praying hands while wishing for disasters to befall the evil non-believers?

     

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