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Posted: Friday, June 29, 2012 7:30 am | Updated: 7:31 am, Fri Jun 29, 2012.

Ricky Gill Diana Dooley Joe Harrington Stephanie Fitzgerald Jewel Wong
Republican congressional candidate California Health and Human Services Agency Secretary President and CEO of Lodi Memorial Hospital Lodi Lodi
“Today we learned (the health care plan) is simply a massive tax increase that is already contributing to skyrocketing health care premiums for middle class families.” “California has long been a leader and a champion for healthcare reform. With this ruling, we will continue the work we have started and we will be ready in 2014 to provide nearly six million uninsured Californians with health care when they need it. This landmark law will help us fix our broken healthcare system, control its skyrocketing costs, and promote the health of all Californians.” “ ... In general terms, we were not surprised that the law was upheld to the extent it seems to have been. The country’s health-care system has been broken and requires reform to extend care, especially those most in need such as individuals with pre-existing conditions, the poor, the elderly and students. ... There is likely to be a significant move in Congress to chip away or overturn the law altogether. We’ll keep a vigilant eye.” “I disagree with the decision. I don’t think the government should be responsible for health care. It makes government too big. That’s not how our country was founded.” “I think it’s great. So many people don’t have any insurance. You see people walking the streets with mental health problems and the hospitals keep them for 48 hours and let them go. Those people need help.”

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31 comments:

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:20 pm on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Hint Mr Chang... when I said my bags are already there, did you take that literally? Also, when I said pay less tax, does that mean no tax... it's why I said legally...

    GM has thousands of jobs overseas... is that unpatriotic? If I open a business in Thailand, and have a business here, is that fleeing the country? If I decide to expand my business, but decide to expand it like Bill Gates who has 5000 employees in Pune India where I worked, is that unpatriotic?

    How in the world can you babble on about all that you do? I think America is wonderful and a great country. I think my position is a protest against the tyranny of the left. If the left insists on taking our country toward socialism, and has the power to do so, then a patriotic American would want to change the direction any way he/she could ( legally of course). We all should pay our taxes. But I will not grow and pay more in order to protest. Once the path to freedom is embraced, I would encourage all people to grow and prosper in America.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:17 am on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I can see where a person would draw a conclusion that I am insincere at best if they actually swallowed the wild imagination that Mr Chang spews...

    Where do you get such bizarre thinking from Mr Chang. The scenarios you conjure up are so far out of reality that it really is comical. Your inability to draw appropriate conclusions from the information I provided is blatantly pronounced. I suggest you take a remedial comprehension class.[rolleyes]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 10:46 am on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    Darrell said: "If Obama wins, that would please me"

    Darrell, you're a rather odd and eccentric fellow.

    So you're going to starve the "tax dragon" by moving off shore and not pay your paltry share of taxes!!

    But you plan on continuing your "thriving" business in California, collecting the residuals off sales mades long ago.

    Staying "remotely connected" via the internet - Using the system but not giving anything back, so to speak. Huh??

    Darrell, I feel bad you for you. Leaving your home and family behind to live alone in a foreign country.

    Sure, "helping the locals" sounds noble and worthy but your motivation is not helping there, it's merely leaving here.

    You’re insincere at best!

    I'm afraid you have serious behavioral issues and I suggest you seeking professional help.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:02 am on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Chang mocked...So Darrell, you're not really a "Patriot" kind of guy, are you?

    Actually, I am willing to put my money and life where my mouth is. I will go as far as living in poverty in order to affect the outcome of United States. I think it patriotic to starve the democratic party tax dragon that is hurting our country. If I pay less tax, there is less money to support that which I perceive is bad. If millions leave our country who earn 100k up, it will effect change. I am only one person, but I am willing to do my fair share.

    Just like I refuse to go to hollywood movies to avoid my money to support the hollywood left, I think it patriotic to do what I can to elinimate the cash cow that the left depends on to support it's agenda.

    Me not patriotic?... maybe you are thinking of yourself even though you claim to be.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:53 am on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...Mr. Baumbach has a fantasy wife...

    Why Ms Bobin... You finally stated something nice about my wife... thank you!I agree with you 100%... many men would consider her a fantasy wife as she has a heart of gold. She thinks of others before herself and is compassionate, and yes, she is Mexican and proud of her herritage.

    As far as home schooling...I only home schooled my son for a few years to avoid junior high which in the public school is not what I wanted.

    As far as my posts... that only takes 2 hours per day. Instead of watching cartoons and Tina Fey as you do, I spend my spare time thinking and participating in sharing ideas.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 2:38 pm on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    Darrell said: "If Obama wins, that would please me"

    I wonder what Jerome or Tea Party Kim thinks of that statement?

    They're not going to be very happy November 7th, but you'll be pleased!

    That's good to know.

    So Darrell, you're not really a "Patriot" kind of guy, are you?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:44 pm on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Chang stated...You're hoping "the Bus", filled with the rest of us, now goes off the cliff??

    You again misunderstand... the sooner we get to a solution the better off everyone will be... It is interesting that you perceive seeking freedom one appreciates is selfish... you are welcome to follow in my footsteps... you can seek freedom anyway you like.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:16 am on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach has a fantasy wife that he resurrects now and again whenever it is necessary. She is "Mexican" (his word) and a retired school teacher. Two qualities he has fabricated to support his anti-union sentiments and fake pro-immigrant stances.

    His "children" were all home schooled so that helps him support his anti-public education, "the system is broken," stance.

    And unfortunately, the Internet in Thailand (for the moment) doesn't restrict his access to the LNS website. Expect to hear from Mr. Baumbach for years to come. It is why he "only works" four hours per day. The rest he spends making 7000+ comments in this forum.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 11:03 am on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "If Obama wins, that would please me as it will accelerate the speed of the pendulum."

    So in other words, Darrell, now that your getting "Off the Bus"...

    You're hoping "the Bus", filled with the rest of us, now goes off the cliff??

    What about all your wacky right buddies you leave behind, you wish them doom??

    Darrell, isn't that kind of selfish and self centered??

    You never mentioned if the wife and family were "on board" either??

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:40 am on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Chang stated...Darrell, It's funny when you play the victim!!

    Sorry... I do not get it. I was simply making an observation that your perception is moronic when you state I would be going to live as an ascetic ... I'm not a victim in any way. Bizarre conclusion on your part.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:37 am on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    So Darrell, when President Obama get re-elected this fall...Will that be like the final straw for you??????
    Actually, you missed the boat again. Obama winning or losing is irrelevant. The final straw was my realization the America is not what I thought it was. I always thought we were the land of the free and opportunity. I do not see it that way any longer. If you do, great! We all should embrace that which is in our perception appropriate and good. There are wonderful things about America that many appreciate.
    If Obama wins, that would please me as it will accelerate the speed of the pendulum.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 9:59 am on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "You once again display moronic insulting behavior"

    Darrell, It's funny when you play the victim!!

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 9:51 am on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    So Darrell, when President Obama get re-elected this fall...

    Will that be like the final straw for you??????

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:23 am on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ive been living in Thailand off and on for 4 years already...when I am there I work a minimum of 4 hours per day on USA business....internet works very well.

    As far as motivation... I normally spend my time helping people. I am quite taken by the poverty yet happiness people have there. So no... I do not live as an ascetic...
    You once again display moronic insulting behavior. Why would you consider helping people to be in denial... I personally get happiness from helping people who need help.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 7:57 pm on Sat, Jun 30, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    Darrell, what about the wife and family?

    Is everybody "on board" ??

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:51 pm on Sat, Jun 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Chang stated...You hate the government so much that you're leaving America to join an expat community abroad??

    Yet again.. another gracious post by Mr Chang to demonstrate how he completely misunderstands my post... it appears that you are having a comprehension problem.

    I enjoy freedom... I do not hate our government... I simply do not want to pay taxes in united States and would prefer to give my taxes to a country where socialism is not the dominate religion. I pay taxes now but will do what it takes to pay less “legally”.

    when I am in Thailand, I avoid all Americans and stay out of tourist areas. The last thing I would do is join an expat community abroad. Their interests and mine do not meet.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 3:24 pm on Sat, Jun 30, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "My bags are already there... its already a done deal"

    Darrell, cheap living! Yeah baby!!

    Live like "a King" on even a meager savings.

    I fully understand, there are many pleasures to enjoy.

    Wow. You're leaving America and moving to Thailand - Congratulations!!

    I guess...

    You hate the government so much that you're leaving America to join an expat community abroad??

    Wow!!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:59 pm on Sat, Jun 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Chiang stated...You got a great idea!! The time to go is now, I'll help you pack!

    response... Mr Chang ... My bags are already there... thanks for the offer but its already a done deal.... Once again... Mr Chang demonstrates how easy it is to be mistaken and not have all the facts to make appropriate conclusions...

    [wink]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:50 pm on Sat, Jun 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Darrell stated..."I refuse to submit to the shackles"...

    Mr Chang stated...Oh Brother...

    I am interested in your perspective Mr Chang... Have you lived in Thailand? Do you have experience in this country that would give you ability to compare and contrast quality of life between USA and there? You have a Chinese name. Have you lived in China? I was shocked that I felt more free in a communist country than America.

    You stating "Oh Brother"reminds me of me 10 years ago. It is exactly the response I would have given as I perceived United States was the most free nation on earth. However, now that I have experience...I realized how mistaken I was.
    ..

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 10:57 am on Sat, Jun 30, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "I refuse to submit to the shackles"

    Oh Brother!

    Darrell, great heartfelt sentiment.

    Thailand is beautiful, very peaceful in countryside, everybody Buddhist.

    The exchange rate on the Baht these days is very good.

    You got a great idea!!

    The time to go is now, I'll help you pack!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:18 am on Sat, Jun 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Chang Darrell, let's not get sidetracked by your baloney. You insulted this women - plain and simple

    Thank you demonstrating how easy it is for someone ( including you) to misunderstand and draw erroneous conclusions...

    I was making a comment on the political system. I was directing my thought to this lady who bought hook,line and sinker what the system wanted her to believe... She is in the same boat as millions of people. You in error concluded that I was talking about her when in reality, I was talking about the system that easily convinced her and millions more of a blatant lie. She was sincere as are you... but unfortunately...misled and misguided.


     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:09 am on Sat, Jun 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Pat... thanks for the explanation... I appreciate your perspective. I have never thought of it like you but I can relate. From my perspective, I have always thought that they were taking my freedoms in the situations you describe. I cherish that above most everything. Its why I will not likely die in this country but in Thailand. I find USA gravitating toward a government controlled society. When I step foot in Thailand, my entire spirit is uplifted based on freedom.
    I refuse to submit to the shackles and will move elsewhere where my soul can be nourished. I still fight to be free in America but it may be a losing battle.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 9:20 am on Sat, Jun 30, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    DB: My pockets are not my soul...my soul is the perceptions, beliefs, passions and the country that I will leave to my ancestors, as mine left it to me. I feel that the soul of American has been ran over by a train called political correctness.

    My soul told me that if I worked hard, shared with others and was a kind and generous man, that I would have done some good in the world...and I have. The problem is that now that has been judged (by a cowardly court) not enough...now I am to give not of my own volition but of theirs...more than I have, more than my children have and more than my grandchildren will ever have.

    Whether you take away my ability to earn money, drive a car, give as I choose, make new friends or just breathe air...you are still robbing from me to give to someone else...without giving me a choice. You in essence steal my soul.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 8:08 pm on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "My favorite comment is from Jewel Wong... interesting commentary on how easy it is to mislead people."

    Darrell, let's not get sidetracked by your baloney.

    You insulted this women - plain and simple.

    Your "commentary" was meant to demean and belittle her.

    This woman, who merely answered a question asked by LNS staff.

    Had sand kicked in her face by the "Bully of the Beach".

    Another proud moment!

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 8:06 pm on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "My favorite comment is from Jewel Wong... interesting commentary on how easy it is to mislead people."

    Darrell, let's not get sidetracked by your baloney.

    You insulted this women - plain and simple.

    Your "commentary" was meant to demean and belittle her.

    This woman, who merely answered a question asked by LNS staff.

    Had sand kicked in her face by the "Bully of the Beach".

    Another proud moment!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:30 pm on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Pat stated...My pockets are empty...my soul is soon to be.

    Pat...you and I have had similar lives but you more successful than me economically.
    Every time you post something I relate to what you perceive...

    One thing I have concluded is that work and family is my love and that my happiness is directly related to doing activity that I care about... I sincerely hope that when I die, I will be able to look back and know that everything I did in my life was worthwhile because I was engaged in doing what I loved to do... please do not let your soul become empty over something as insignificant as an an empty pocket...

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 4:06 pm on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    yesterday I had a potatoe in my stew...the day before a piece of broccoli...the day before that some meat...today I have some gravy...tomorrow I will have none. What is my incentive to continue to work and employ people? What is their incentive to show up for work today, tomorrow or next week?

    Last week I worked for myself and my family. yesterday I worked for the man, today I work for every man. When will every man work for me?

    Three of these people are looking for or to keep a job...one is looking for self...the other a handout...even if it is for others. My pockets are empty...my soul is soon to be.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:44 pm on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Please Mr Chang... Stay focused... issue was the Supreme Court ruling as it relates to Obamacare... Ms Wong's conclusions and compassionate concerns have nothing to do with that legislation.

    Her concerns were addressed in legislation that took place and enacted Jan 1, 2010 called the Mental Health Parity Act which made impoved mental health care treatment for millions of people nation wide. That was separate from Obamacare.

    Since Obamacare care increases the premium that one has to pay to buy the insurance she wanted people to have, his bill makes it more difficult, not less.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 3:08 pm on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    Typical Darrell, going after the easy kill.

    Mrs. Wong didn't say if she had coverage or not...

    But she know that "So many people don’t have any insurance".

    I bet, she knows them personally too, there friends and neighbors, and perhaps family members.

    This woman even has compassion for the people on the street!!

    Not Darrell.

    Darrell labels here ignorant and misled, and cast her opinion aside.

    Pathetic!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:02 am on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    My favorite comment is from Jewel Wong... interesting commentary on how easy it is to mislead people.

    It also is nice to see Mr Gill make an accurate statement about health care costs... Since the wealthy can afford healthcare and expensive insurance premiums, it is the middle class that will feel the pain the most. In addition, union middle class people as well as educators will be hurt even more..

    The IRS is already requiring employers to report the cost of the healthcare to each employee on their w-2. Eventually, all the plans rich in benefits and high in premiums as the union and teacher plans are ,will get a very large penalty and tax increase.

    Yes..Mr Gill is absolutely correct and is giving the voter an excellent reason to vote for him as opposed to McNerney who voted for Obamacare.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:35 am on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Interesting that Mr. Gill singles out "middle class families" as if they are the only ones who ACTUALLY PAY for health policies.

    This of course begs the question - does Ricky Gill believe that lower income families ALL receive public assistance, i.e., MediCal coverage?

    If so, he is incorrect and, I believe his statement is meant to be divisive.

     

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