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Letter: Pray for David Diskin to be ’saved’

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Posted: Saturday, August 17, 2013 12:00 am

Pastor Frank Nolton, you’re on target. David Diskin, you appear to be off target.

When I was in San Francisco in nurses’ training at Stanford University Hospital in the late 1940s after World War II, all the doctors announced, “It’s a boy,” “It’s a girl” or “It’s twins” to the mom and dad. I was on the p.m. shift.

To get to the hospital, we had to walk safely through a tunnel under Clay Street to get to the hospital ward for duty. In all our girls’ dorms, the rules were “sign in” before 10 p.m., which was lockout time.

At meeting time, we sang, “This is my Father’s world, and to my listening ears to the Music of the Spheres, His hand the wonders wrought.”

We were taught true history in public schools, not the altered stuff kids get now. George Washington at Valley Forge did bend his knee, head bowed, interceding at prayer in the snow and ending with “we beseech thee through Jesus Christ, our Lord, Amen.”

There are pictures on film of D-Day, Franklin Delano Roosevelt calling the whole Christian nation to prayer for six minutes on the radio. Films show Gen. Dwight Eisenhower on shipboard before the Normandy invasion, praying, asking God for safety and help for our invading troops.

Our national anthem starts with, “Oh say, can you see.” The fourth verse ends with, “In God we trust.”

Mr. Diskin, you and your “freedom from religion” group attacked prayer at the Lodi City Council meetings years ago. Ken Owen rallied the churches. We all met in the old Lodi High School auditorium. We saw your pain and heard your unbelief ventilated before us. We saw the darkness you are in.

Churches in Lodi, let us join in prayer. Pray that David Diskin’s eyes of understanding be opened to understand the “truth,” that chains of atheistic bondage be broken so he can know and hear how to be “saved” in Jesus’ name. Amen!

Jeremiah 33:3 is God’s telephone number. “Call unto Me in your day of trouble. I will hear and answer.”

Audrey Boyd

Lodi

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6 comments:

  • Michael Nedderman posted at 11:43 pm on Tue, Sep 24, 2013.

    Mike Nedderman Posts: 63

    Hi Sarah. You deflect better than anyone I've ever read. I like the way you phrased your denial of being outraged and offended while inferentially confirming it: “I can see how you could read such a tone into the below, but that would be your addition as the reader.”

    If you can see how I could find “such a tone,” then YOU can see it—right? What follows will confirm the fact of that tone in your comment for you:

    You say that you didn't put the name-calling words into Diskin's mouth? Really? The following quote is from your last post:

    “A person [Diskin] who shows that he is better than you already by not responding back with a letter saying how deluded, ignorant, uneducated, and laughable you may or may not be. Which, of course, would be the Atheistic equivalent of what this letter says about David.”

    Isn't “deluded, ignorant, uneducated, and laughable you may or may not be” name-calling? And into whose “mouth” are you putting those vile words? Isn't David Diskin the subject of the sentence as the person who didn't write the letter assaulting Ms. Boyd with the words YOU chose? Really Sarah, what you wrote was clever, but it was also name-calling that you put into David Diskin's potential letter.

    Regarding my observation that you were being judgmental and presumptuous, my post was clear, your accusation that Ms. Boyd is judgmental is, itself, judgmental—can't you see that? Your presumptuousness is with regard what you believe about Christians—in addition to being judgmental, it is wrong!

    I really don't understand why it bothers you that someone would pray for you. Maybe you could explain that for me?

     
  • Sarah Elizabeth Tygert posted at 10:21 pm on Mon, Sep 23, 2013.

    Sarah Tygert Posts: 53

    I recant nothing.

    I'm not offended, nor outraged, nor claimed to be. I can see how you could read such a tone into the below, but that would be your addition as the reader.

    I do not understand your 3rd paragraph at all. I did not put anything into Mr. Diskin's mouth. Nor would wish to do so.

    The only difference between me being judgmental, and Ms. Boyd doing so, is that I do not have a Holy Text telling me that being so is any any way immoral. Although I do avoid presumptions, so if anything I said was assuming, call it out and we'll see.

     
  • Michael Nedderman posted at 6:58 pm on Fri, Sep 20, 2013.

    Mike Nedderman Posts: 63

    Hi Sarah. Why are you so offended that a Christian believes and behaves like a Christian? Can you see that your objection to Audrey Boyd's letter actually applies to your comment--and doubly so for the acerbic nature of your comment.

    Ms. Boyd is simply exercising her First Amendment right to express her honest opinion--and you are outraged? Please Sarah, reconsider.

    And Sarah, name-calling, even utilizing the rhetorical devise of potentially assigning its authorship to another (David Diskin), is still name-calling (what is it that is said about the look and smell of a rose?). Actually, Mr. Diskin may want to take you to task for putting such words "in his mouth." I sincerely hope you will recant the use of that tactic here.

    Also, for you to accuse Ms. Boyd of being "judgmental and presumptuous" is, itself, judgmental and presumptuous.

     
  • Sarah Elizabeth Tygert posted at 6:43 pm on Tue, Sep 10, 2013.

    Sarah Tygert Posts: 53

    What a horrid smear letter. Why are people allowed to make such dirty claims on an individual in the name of religion? In darkness? In Pain? Bondage? With what insight do you stoop to make such claims on a person who does nothing but good for his community? A person who shows that he is better than you already by not responding back with a letter saying how deluded, ignorant, uneducated, and laughable you may or may not be. Which, of course, would be the Atheistic equivalent of what this letter says about David.

    Atheists don't need your prayers anymore than the starving children in Africa need them. It does nothing but shoot words out into the void. Let your actions speak. So far, they are saying awfully judgmental and presumptuous things.

     
  • Michael Nedderman posted at 11:33 am on Mon, Sep 9, 2013.

    Mike Nedderman Posts: 63

    Hi Thomas,

    You speak about "evidence" in your comment, rather than "proof," which is what most atheist seem to require. I think that is good because it indicates that you may have an open mind (the requirement for "proof" seems to be a demand to "convince me," who may have a closed mind, rather to demonstrate the fact of the matter--juries have been known to return verdicts contrary to the evidence). Although the two words are often used interchangeably, evidence is the basis of proof which is, in essence, a conclusion.

    As an atheist, maybe you can help me understand what evidence supports your belief that there is no God. Please understand that I'm asking for evidence, not for suppositions, theories, or reasoning.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 6:01 pm on Wed, Aug 21, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1653

    You may as well wish for a change of heart in someone since wishes are as effective as prayer. You may as well hope for something as well, since that would be just as effective as praying. You just don'tget it. How often has there been prayers for peace, for ends to world hunger, for an end to disease, etc. Aren't you getting tired of making excuses for the failures of your (3) gods. I sure did.

    It is said god can do anything but the evidence is missing. However evidence does suggest god doesn't do anything. We've only lavished a number of superlatives to what we want as a god. Wishful thinking doesn't make it so.

    So you would do your self a favor and avoid public mockery of someone (very unchristian, very hypocritical) evoking a supernatural power, ie. prayer without knowing how ineffective your action will be thus making you the person in greater need of a corrective intervention.

     

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