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Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:10 am, Tue Dec 18, 2012.

I'm disgusted by the self-righteous letter written in regards to the "Rainbow Pride" float at the Lodi Parade of Lights. Let's get real. We need to all get over ourselves and learn to accept everyone no matter their beliefs, sexual preferences, skin color, religious practices or political allegiances. This judgmental, holier-than-thou attitude that any one of us is better than anyone else is detrimental to us as a society.

I'm a teacher of 26 years and a father of two children, and I attempt to instill in any child I work with that everyone is unique, and we need to accept, not judge, one another. My boys already know that a couple might be a man and woman, two men, two women, mixed races, varying ages — whatever — and when they ask a question I answer them. Shielding your children from the reality that is life does a disservice to them. I feel sorry for them, to be honest.

On this float were courageous people who are proud of who they are, no matter their sexual preference, but because they are aboard a rainbow float, instantly there are those simple-minded folk who judge them. Ms. White, You don't know them. All you care about are your uber-conservative beliefs, which is fine. Believe what you will. Be close-minded. However, to express your anger-based beliefs publicly is disgusting.

I have been involved in theater for many years, and the theater welcomes all sorts — old, young, black, white, gay, straight — and I love them for what they all bring to the space. There are some amazing people who are very different from us who have a lot to share with our world, and when we can all do that, our lives — as well as our children's lives — will be better for it.

Believe me because I know first-hand, judging another human being for the choices they are making, and have a right to make, can cause much pain and anguish. For those on the float at the Parade of Lights, hold your heads high and be proud of the outstanding people you are.

Mike Bartram

Lodi

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53 comments:

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:47 pm on Thu, Dec 27, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    I might just take you up on your kind offer Mr. Ratto. I still look much like the picture that accompanies each of my posts, so I won't be at all hard to identify. See you there; you're on my calendar.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:22 pm on Thu, Dec 27, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Evidently, it takes very little to confuse you and others then...

     
  • brian ratto posted at 9:28 am on Thu, Dec 27, 2012.

    brian ratto Posts: 8

    Just another invitation to everyone here.
    The Lodi Rainbow Project is meeting on January 5, 2012 at 3:30 pm at the Lodi Round Table Pizza (Kettleman Ln. and Lower Sacramento Rd.)
    Everyone is welcome to join us.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:39 am on Thu, Dec 27, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Kinderman stated...I read with incredulity a letter printed in today's News-Sentinel (Wednesday, December 26, 2012 (http://tinyurl.com/cdrcy7r)) where the writer suggested that in response to any six-year old inquiry regarding the LGBT Rainbow Float should be met with a lie...

    Actually, I was not surprised that Mr Heuer, a liberal, admonished someone for poor parenting skills yet suggested a telling a lie is good parenting skill.

    Liberals are so trained to lie to get what they want in their political life that they think it is normal and effective in all aspects of their life including parenting.

    Great post Mr Kinderman.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 5:34 pm on Wed, Dec 26, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    I read with incredulity a letter printed in today's News-Sentinel (Wednesday, December 26, 2012 (http://tinyurl.com/cdrcy7r)) where the writer suggested that in response to any six-year old inquiry regarding the LGBT Rainbow Float should be met with a lie. That's right - Mr. Thomas Heuer wrote that the grandmother of such a child would be better off lying to this child than anything else; it was even suggested that she tell the youngster that the letters stood for some sort of high school fraternity.

    Now isn't that the best way to start off one's relationship with a young child - by lying? But more to the point, what happened to this "pride" as to what this whole organization is supposed to be about? I would have thought something along the lines of: "You see Matilda, the float represents the love that exists between two adults" could have been a better idea. In fact, that explanation would work quite well if one were discussing heterosexual or homosexual “love.” What I don't believe Mr. Heuer was thinking at the time was that attempting to explain homosexuality to any child of such a young age was a very good idea at all. But during my entire lifetime I have yet to view a float in any parade that attempted to celebrate or otherwise specifically tried to highlight heterosexual relationships.

    Indeed, I know of no one in my orbit who believes that lying to a child would be considered “parenting skills” as Mr. Heuer offered in his letter. He further stated: “Having raised two children, the TV was full enough of images that had to be explained — sexual or violent in nature. If you can't distract them by changing the subject — "Who wants popcorn?" — you lie.” My advice would be to ensure that they aren’t permitted to watch such television programs but if the questions do come, try something a little more “grown up” other than lying. Or is lying acceptable now? With our most infamous lying president having gotten away with it in the 1990’s, perhaps that’s what is being taught in schools and in parenting classes nowadays.

    To be sure, pretending that LBGT refers to a fraternity is much easier to deal with than the truth. The only problem with this “solution” of Mr. Heuer’s is that kids won’t forget a lie perpetrated upon them; in fact, I would expect them to throw such an event right back at mom and dad or dad and dad or mom and mom when they themselves find themselves caught in a lie. I’d like to see their sheepish faces when that happens. Or is a lie no longer wrong when dealing with homosexual pride?

    FYI - for some strange reason the online comments associated with Mr. Heuer's letter were discontinued after what appears to be just two posts. Either the LNS has become weary from having to monitor these types of letters that they decided early on to disallow comments. It was either that or the first two posts were so egregious they called the game off during the first couple of minutes. Nevertheless, I do expect this comment to be removed quickly for whatever reason(s) existed earlier today.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 11:28 am on Wed, Dec 26, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Self righteous...whom is more self righteous...the left or the right? The left demands, the right demands...while the people in the middle tolerate. The left is outraged, the right indignant...while the middle tolerates. Sounds like politics to me.

    Hundred of years before politics and religion set foot on the American soils...when only the Native Peoples lived here there were politics and religion. We believed in one God or a Supreme Being and that He lived with us somewhere. We had social and family systems that guided how a child was raised and how adults treated one another and how they acted. We also had wars and skirmishes. The "different people" either adapted or they did not survive. In those days "homosexual" did not exist as this is a man-made word and gay or lesbian was used in a different mode with a different meaning. There were instances of gay or bi-sexual men, not too many of women, in many tribes...the person was generally relegated to the position of a squaw and treated as such. They were not celebrated, promoted or given a higher status, nor were they ostracized or treated unfairly, however as they could not have children were often used by other females who could...within the tribes and by most they were simply tolerated.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:01 pm on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [rolleyes]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:03 pm on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You confused people for they could not tell it from your other posts.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:31 am on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    How funny... I write a post that intentionally makes no sense and someone responds with a post that needs removal.

    Just wanted to prove a point. I succeeded.[thumbup]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:28 pm on Sat, Dec 22, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    In Winter, the sun rarely shines because of red flowers are never green. I imagine if they were only yellow or green, rocks would glow in the dark,

    I am thankful and pleased that sharks do not swim in sand.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:47 pm on Fri, Dec 21, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Not really. Mr. Bartram said "learn to accept everyone no matter their beliefs, sexual preferences, skin color, religious practices or political allegiances." There obviously one exception to this. People who do not accept everyone no matter their beliefs, sexual preferences, skin color, religious practices or political allegiances like Mr. Kinderman in regards to sexual preferences. Those who do not accept others are obviously out of the group.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:50 pm on Fri, Dec 21, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [thumbup]

     
  • Sabrina Willis posted at 7:24 pm on Fri, Dec 21, 2012.

    Swillis Posts: 11

    Are you kidding me?

    No one is saying homosexuals need to be forgiven. They are not doing anything wrong by being who they are. And do not say that LGBT people are homosexual simply because they CHOOSE to be, as many religious types often proclaim. It is just not true. Who in this world would choose a life where they have to constantly worry about being beaten up and ridiculed? How would you explain the suicide attempt rate in LGBT teens? You think these kids want to be kicked out of their homes, shunned by their churches, and teased at school? Maybe you should sit down with some of these people and talk to them about their experiences... maybe then you will understand what being under "attack" really means.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:17 am on Fri, Dec 21, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    The author demands: "I'm disgusted by the self-righteous letter written in regards to the "Rainbow Pride" float at the Lodi Parade of Lights. Let's get real. We need to all get over ourselves and learn to accept everyone no matter their beliefs, sexual preferences, skin color, religious practices or political allegiances."

    What about Mr. Bartram's own contradictions in this statement: He expects us to "accept everyone" no matter their "beliefs," yet is disgusted by the beliefs of those who believe homosexuality to be an affront to God or is just plain wrong? Why include "religious practices" in the group of those to be acceptable when that very thing is at the heart of many of our own beliefs? Or does Mr. Bartram mean to exclude Christians or others who believe homosexuality (and perhaps other sexual preferences as well) to be sinful and/or wrong?

    It wasn't all that long ago when the homosexual community only expected tolerance. As a Christian in the United States I expect nothing more than that. There's no way that I should think that others must "accept" me for what I believe or that they embrace my faith as their own. Of course I'd truly like it if they did. But I wouldn't think of labeling anyone as hateful or anti-Christian simply because they disagree with the religious lifestyle I've chosen for myself. Nevertheless, this is precisely how I am attacked by not only the homosexual community but those who actually believe their behavior to be wrong (why else should homosexuals be forgiven?) but are not homosexuals themselves.

    As the old 60's Four Jacks and a Jill's tune aptly suggested: "It's a strange world we live in, Master Jack." Indeed it is. And it gets stranger by the moment.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 3:37 pm on Thu, Dec 20, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1171

    [sleeping][yawn][sleeping]

    ZZZZZZzzzzzz......

     
  • Simon Birch posted at 2:10 pm on Thu, Dec 20, 2012.

    Simon Birch - Online Manager Posts: 169 Staff

    Everyone: Sorry to interrupt and go off-topic. A News-Sentinel staffer has suggested the story comments would be better if they were ordered from oldest (at the top) to newest. Currently the newest is at the top (although the threaded replies are oldest to newest). If you have a minute, I'd appreciate it if you made your choice in a reader survey I've put up: http://bit.ly/T1fvr5 (The survey is also at the top of the right column on the Opinion pages.)
    Ideally, readers should be able to change the order themselves. Unfortunately, that's not possible under the current system. I hope that feature will be available in a future update.
    Mr. Baumbach and Mr. Lucas: If one of you could announce your choice so that the other can take the opposite position, that'd be great. (Just kidding, guys.)
    Thanks.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:13 pm on Thu, Dec 20, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Yes, it is too funny for words.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 10:30 am on Thu, Dec 20, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1171

    [lol]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:14 am on Thu, Dec 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I see you continue to avoid substance... personally, since I am not religious, I avoid talking about such matters.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:48 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [thumbup]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:47 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [smile] [thumbup]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:41 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Sabrina stated... I was going to try to counter Darrell, but I see there is no point. I am glad, however, that this conversation has been opened up in Lodi, and I hope it keeps going.

    Truth and accuracy is a good start Sabrina. I asked you questions. Responding with what you perceive truth to be is always a good counter.

    It is always humorous when someone simply says there is no point to avoid exposing they have no good answer or truth on their side.

    Also, you are not participating in a conversation about this issue, you are venting what you think without considering the thoughts and position of others who have a different position to you. That means you are more interested in lecturing... not conversing or developing a meeting of the minds.


     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 6:55 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1666

    Great post Sabrina

    [thumbup] [wink]

     
  • Sabrina Willis posted at 6:02 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    Swillis Posts: 11

    Thanks, Walter... I was going to try to counter Darrell, but I see there is no point. I am glad, however, that this conversation has been opened up in Lodi, and I hope it keeps going.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:35 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Sorry I'm an old white guy Mr. Chang... I know it bothers you but there is nothing I can do about my skin color or age.

    In my next life, I’ll try to please you and have darker skin. Please have more patience and tolerance.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 5:13 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1171

    [thumbup]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:00 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms. Willis stated...Their intent was not a political statement; it was simply to let the city know that they exist

    Ignorance is bliss... just because they do not “intend" a political statement does not mean it was not. The only reason I objected in the first place was that it was an “in your face” political statement that demonstrated intolerance for people who object to this.

    It is not possible that the intent was simply to let the public know they existed since it was already very well public knowledge. In fact, one would have to have been in a coma not to have known

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:51 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Seriously Ms Willis... you claim not to be disrespecftul then in the same breath, mock Mr Kinderman by suggesting doing what he is doing is inappropriate.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:46 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Your brand of "hatred" where you blame one particular group for our nation's problems has away of turning loving people off... That is the truth of the matter...no doubt.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:39 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1171

    Dude, no mocking. I was being sincere.

    What good is the story of Adam and Eve if you leave out the part about the serpent??


    [beam]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:33 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Willis stated...Maybe Jesus existed, maybe he didn't..

    Hummm.. I wonder what brand of Christianity would make such a statement. You said you were not a "practicing" Christian. Are you sure you are a Christian at all since I do not know of any Christians that wonder if Jesus existed? You stated something that someone like me might say. I am surprised.

    For a person who is hoping for tolerance from people you claim have hate in their heart (which they do not), you show little tolerance yourself.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:23 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    more mocking Mr Chang... you are so funny[tongue_smile]

     
  • Sabrina Willis posted at 4:14 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    Swillis Posts: 11

    lol. Walter.

    And by the way, I'm not trying to be disrespectful, Jerome. If that is what you want to believe, and it makes you happy, and sleep better at night.. keep doin' what you do. Just don't expect everyone to agree and live their lives by YOUR bible's rules.

     
  • Sabrina Willis posted at 3:52 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    Swillis Posts: 11

    I can't argue with someone who thinks that the garden of Eden is real. If you believe what the bible says is literal, then shouldn't we all be gouging out our eyes and chopping off our hands for sinning? Like John says, I can't get down with that "brand of Christianity." Maybe Jesus existed, maybe he didn't... all I know is that if I live my life being a good and loving person who contributes to society and helps others, I will find happiness in this life and the next. I will not live with hate in my heart for anyone. The members of the Lodi Rainbow Project feel the same way. Even though they have been ridiculed, and even had people at the Parade of Lights yell obscenities at them, they are still very positive and happy people who wish to give back to the Lodi community by helping others.

     
  • Sabrina Willis posted at 3:39 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    Swillis Posts: 11

    I have my own relationship with god and spirituality. So do many LGBT people. Their intent was not a political statement, it was simply to let the city know that they exist. Many LGBT teens as well as adults feel alone, and they were letting them know that there is a group where they can go to talk to other people who face the same daily battles as them and feel safe. Sounds a lot like a church, right? And churches are allowed to have floats, so why not them?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:01 am on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Your brand of Christianity has a way of turning off people. That is the truth of the matter.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:00 am on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    Because of the bigots in our society, Ms. Willis is not a “practicing” Christian?

    If I’m to read this correctly, it’s only because of others whom this woman believes are behaving badly, she chooses to turn away from Christianity? Instead of expounding upon this notion as I would really like but knowing that on a forum such as this it would be unproductive, I’d like only to state that NO ONE should give ANYONE that kind of power.

    Nevertheless, because I do believe Ms. Willis has at least a modicum of knowledge regarding the “God of Christianity,” she should know that God has never “damned” anyone - we damned ourselves through our disobedience that started with the fall in Eden. It is only through Christ’s sacrifice that we have the opportunity to be saved from ourselves that results in eternity with God, not damned. This is what we believe. But we also believe that just by “showing love and kindness” won’t provide us with the ticket to Heaven. Remember, prior to the defiance of Adam and Eve, God actually walked and talked with His finest creation (mankind) in the garden.

    But here’s the good part: if we sincerely receive the gift of salvation - that we believe that Jesus is the Son of God, that He died for us on the Cross and that three days after that horrific event He rose from the dead - it is irrevocable. Even if we claim to be non-practicing Christians due to the behavior of others, we can never lose that gift. I can imagine no other God who could be more “loving and kind” than that.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:44 am on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Sorry Sabrina, your post misses the point of the people who originally brought to light that sexuality and it's politics was what was objected to in this one particular parade. The intolerance is coming from you and others who refuse to stay on topic and make this about homosexuality instead of what it is, about politics.

    I do agree with you that we are all people and everyone should be treated with kindness and love, which I perceive is what Jesus would do. It is also what I do.

    When I interact with anyone who tells me they are gay, I treat them with respect and dignity just like I do anyone else. This issue to me has nothing to do with each individual's sexual orientation but in a group of individuals making a unified political statement that brings politics into to view.

    I suggested that this group enter a parade or participate in an alternate event that was for all groups who wished to make a political statement. Of course, no one made any comments about that in a response which indicates this group is not interested in acceptance, but politics of this occasion.

    I am surprised you state you are not a practicing Christian simply because you perceive their are bigots in our society. That is hard to believe as your Christian faith should be between you and god. I am not a Christian at all, but it has nothing to do with bigots or anyone else.

    My objection to this float had nothing to do with religion, homosexuality or bigotry... its about politics in this one particular event.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:23 pm on Tue, Dec 18, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [thumbup]

     
  • Sabrina Willis posted at 8:06 pm on Tue, Dec 18, 2012.

    Swillis Posts: 11

    So proud of Mike for writing this letter. We went to the meeting on Sunday and met all of the wonderful members of the Lodi Rainbow Project. Their stories of facing intolerance brought me to tears. If Jesus Christ is real, he would not condone such behavior towards a group simply for expressing who they are. He would be riding that float with them. The LGBT Rainbow Project float is what CHRISTMAS is all about.. celebrating life and what God has graced us with. Because of the bigots in this society, I am not a practicing Christian, but I do believe that we all come from a source higher than ourselves, and we will face judgement someday. I cannot imagine a god that would damn those who show love and kindness, and that is what the LRP is all about.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:28 pm on Tue, Dec 18, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Thank you for making my point

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:27 pm on Tue, Dec 18, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Is it not interesting that some people will ignore all the arguments you inject into an argument? The essence of debate is to reply to each others arguments and have a debate over an issue. When someone ignores my arguments the reality is that they are not listening and have another agenda than the discussion of issues. I put those people on ignore for nothing good can come of the discussion.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:40 pm on Tue, Dec 18, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Christine, you missed the point.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:28 pm on Tue, Dec 18, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Though I agree with the letter writers main thrust that we need to be more accepting of one another you make some good points. Everyone has a right to their viewpoint.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:06 pm on Tue, Dec 18, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1666

    [thumbup]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:05 pm on Tue, Dec 18, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1666

    [thumbup]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:14 pm on Tue, Dec 18, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Welcome to the forum and a very good post. I think you posted to the wrong letter though. However, six year olds will ask questions and how to answer them is sometimes not easy though I think very important. Your point about the grandmother has a problem accepting peoples differences is spot on. Unfortunately it is a problem I think all of us have and is probably the biggest problem facing humanity today. Anyway, welcome!

     
  • Christine Stevenson posted at 11:32 am on Tue, Dec 18, 2012.

    CHS Posts: 2

    Why in the world would a grandmother of a 6 yr old be worried about explaining what LGBT stands for? The granddaughter is 6 and unless she's a genius (and I'm quite sure she's very, very smart for her age), she isn't going to understand the definition anyway. At that age children only care about looking at the floats not who sponsors them. I'm going out on a limb here and make an observation by saying that the grandmother herself has a problem with excepting peoples differences. It's a free world so if the grandmother doesn't like what's in the parade don't go and watch it. Now before anyone jumps on anything I have said here I want to point out that making an observation and stating it here is nothing more than any of you are doing. So keep your reply to yourself and do your own posting.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:30 am on Tue, Dec 18, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Chalon stated...Darrell please get over yourself. CHRISTMAS is a wonderful time of year.

    Thank you for clarifying for Mr Barrow that this was a parade to celebrate Christmas... not a holiday... as far as getting over myself, can you please clarify... Have no idea would you perceive I need to get over.

     
  • Chalon Roberts posted at 10:40 am on Tue, Dec 18, 2012.

    Chalon Posts: 21

    It has ALWAYS been known as the Lodi LIGHT Parade so that it was always inclusive of everyone. Way way back when it was first conceived thats what the DLBP wanted, inclusion. Over the years there have been Christian Floats, Jewish or Jewish friendly floats, Teachers, students, Businesses and civic groups, hell even the Coca-Cola Santa Light truck with over 1 million lights on it... Darrell please get over yourself. CHRISTMAS is a wonderful time of year.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:29 am on Tue, Dec 18, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Barrow stated... It was not a Christmas parade it's a holiday parade...

    Which holiday would that be Mr Barrow? New Years or Forth of July?... or could it possibly be the holiday known as Ch***mas...wouldn't want to spell it out entirely to avoid offending Mr Barrow.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:54 am on Tue, Dec 18, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1591

    It was not a Christmas parade it's a holiday parade. It's tital is the Lodi Parade of Lights Holiday Parade, get over it, and if you don't wish to be branded a country hick stop acting like a country hick. In light of recent events I find your post more offensive than usually and your hatred for what you can't understand is sad.

     
  • Robert Marty posted at 7:54 am on Tue, Dec 18, 2012.

    rmartygeo Posts: 32

    Do writers of letters actually read what they are writing?

    "All you care about are your uber-conservative beliefs, which is fine. Believe what you will. Be close-minded. However, to express your anger-based beliefs publicly is disgusting"

    First off, how is Christy "uber-conservative" -- just based upon a letter stating that a gay float in a kids parade could possibly be inappropriate? It's not a striclty conservative opinion. But thanks for generalizing.

    Secondly: there was no anger in her letter. How was her "belief" anger-based? Do you know this? Or, is it just the fact that she does not ACCEPT LGBT that makes it anger-based.

    And finally, my favorite: expressing her belief publicy is digusting?

    Isn't that what you are doing?

    I just love the hypocritical writers...or maybe they just don't read what they write.

     

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It has been an eventful year in Lodi, from the antics of a wild turkey named Tom Kettleman to the announced closure of the General Mills plant. What do you see as the biggest story of the year?

Total Votes: 240

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