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Posted: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:20 am, Wed Aug 22, 2012.

Surprise! The new issue of Newsweek is out with the cover story by Niall Ferguson, "Hit the Road Barack — Obama's Gotta Go."

"Why does Paul Ryan scare the president so much? Because Obama has broken his promises, and it's clear that the GOP ticket's path to prosperity is our only hope."

"Romney's bet is that the American people are ready for Paul Ryan and an adult conversation," Star Parker.

Earlier this year, Douglas Elmendorf, director of the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office, sent a report on the nation's budget to Ryan saying, "The explosive path of the federal debt that the CBO projects under what many observers would view as current policies underscores the need for policy changes to put the nation on a sustainable course. The aging of the population and rising costs for health care will push spending for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and other federal health programs considerably higher as a percentage of GDP. Without major increases in revenues and/or substantial cuts in spending, the resulting budget deficits will increase federal debt to insupportable levels."

Where is the Barack Obama, as a senator in March 2006, who said, "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."

Where is your leadership, Mr. President? No budget for over three years and trillion-dollar deficits every year. Quit your gutter campaign! Have an adult conversation on the issues.

"There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt," John Adams, 1826.

Phyllis Roche


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  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:14 am on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [sleeping][sleeping][sleeping]... http://youtu.be/W0AOZ38UNMw

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:42 am on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    President Obama should have been removed from office for a number of reasons, such as when he took the chairmanship of the powerful UN Security Council.

    Section 9 of the Constitution says:

    "No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State."

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:33 am on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Time for a reality check Ms. Bobin...[sleeping]


  • dave howard posted at 7:07 pm on Sat, Aug 25, 2012.

    dave howard Posts: 25

    obama should have been removed from office when he first signed
    obamacare into law and before he gave away billions of taxpayer

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:44 am on Sat, Aug 25, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Unfortunately Andrew, they have scheduled the Mitt Romney nomination for the first day of the convention in order to stop all of the Ron Paul supporters from creating a fuss on the convention floor.

    Unlike the other primary candidates, Paul has not released his delegates to support Romney. They are prepared for "pro-Paul shenangans" at the convention.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:38 am on Sat, Aug 25, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    To parody you, Mr. Baumbach, I don't need Donald Duck of Goofy as long as YOU keep posting in this forum!

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:13 am on Thu, Aug 23, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...Over twenty years, and this "woman" hasn't written anything worth reading

    Maybe if Ms Roche wrote about Donald Duck and Goofy, Ms Bobin would finally be satisfied and enjoy. Unfortunately for her, Ms Roche only offers issues and ideas that reflect reality the left should be ashamed of.

    I only Tina Fey were here, Ms. Bobin would appreciate it..

  • Joe Baxter posted at 7:46 pm on Wed, Aug 22, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    Atta girl Joanne, blame the Republicans for your liberal Democrat failures. Ryan is smart, articulate, Capitol Hill savy and worse of all a "clean" machine, nothing poor Axelrod blow out of proportion to discredit him. On YOUR side, you have the neanderthal Biden, the post lobotomy moron. Apparently Owe-Blame-O stuffed him in a locker, he has been conspicuously "missing in action" the last couple of days. Looks like things are kind of unraveling in the Obama camp. Americans are getting wise, no thanks to the liberal media and their biased reporting.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:21 pm on Wed, Aug 22, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Coke or Pepsi? Frick or Frack? Tweedledee or Tweedledom? It doesn't matter!

    The following are 40 ways that Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are essentially the same candidate….

    1. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported TARP.

    2. Mitt Romney supported Barack Obama’s “economic stimulus” packages.

    3. Mitt Romney says that Barack Obama’s bailout of the auto industry was actually his idea.

    4. Neither candidate supports immediately balancing the federal budget.

    5. They both believe in big government and they both have a track record of being big spenders while in office.

    6. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both fully support the Federal Reserve.

    7. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are both on record as saying that the president should not question the “independence” of the Federal Reserve.

    8. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both said that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke did a good job during the last financial crisis.

    9. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both felt that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke deserved to be renominated to a second term.

    10. Both candidates oppose a full audit of the Federal Reserve.

    11. Both candidates are on record as saying that U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has done a good job.

    12. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both been big promoters of universal health care.

    13. Mitt Romney was the one who developed the plan that Obamacare was later based upon.

    14. Wall Street absolutely showers both candidates with campaign contributions.

    15. Neither candidate wants to eliminate the income tax or the IRS.

    16. Both candidates want to keep personal income tax rates at the exact same levels for the vast majority of Americans.

    17. Both candidates are “open” to the idea of imposing a Value Added Tax on the American people.

    18. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the TSA is doing a great job.

    19. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the NDAA.

    20. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the renewal of the Patriot Act.

    21. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the federal government should be able to indefinitely detain American citizens that are considered to be terrorists.

    22. Both candidates believe that American citizens suspected of being terrorists can be killed by the president without a trial.

    23. Barack Obama has not closed Guantanamo Bay like he promised to do, and Mitt Romney actually wants to double the number of prisoners held there.

    24. Both candidates support the practice of “extraordinary rendition”.

    25. They both support the job-killing “free trade” agenda of the global elite.

    26. They both accuse each other of shipping jobs out of the country and both of them are right.

    27. Both candidates are extremely soft on illegal immigration.

    28. Neither candidate has any military experience. This is the first time that this has happened in a U.S. election since 1944.

    29. Both candidates earned a degree from Harvard University.

    30. They both believe in the theory of man-made global warming.

    31. Mitt Romney has said that he will support a “cap and trade” carbon tax scheme (like the one Barack Obama wants) as longas the entire globe goes along with it.

    32. Both candidates have a very long record of supporting strict gun control measures.

    33. Both candidates have been pro-abortion most of their careers. Mitt Romney’s “conversion” to the pro-life cause has been questioned by many. In fact, Mitt Romney has made millions on Bain Capital’s investment in a company called “Stericycle” that incinerates aborted babies collected from family planning clinics.

    34. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the Boy Scout ban on openly gay troop leaders is wrong.

    35. They both believe that a “two state solution” will bring lasting peace between the Palestinians and Israel.

    36. Both candidates have a history of nominating extremely liberal judges.

    37. Like Barack Obama, Mitt Romney also plans to add “signing statements” to bills when he signs them into law.

    38. They both have a horrible record when it comes to job creation.

    39. Both candidates believe that the president has the power to take the country to war without getting the approval of the U.S. Congress.

    40. Both candidates plan to continue running up more government debt even though the U.S. government is already 16 trillion dollars in debt.

    Those who view this brief You Tube video might just begin to understand why Congressman Ron Paul is the only Presidential candidate...


  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:27 pm on Wed, Aug 22, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Baxter - the budget was rejected because the Republicans tried adding amendments as they usually do, then cry foul and "no bipartisan cooperation."

    Mitch McConnell said it on day number one: "Our goal is to make Obama a one term president."

    Whatever it takes. We need to fire them all.

    Phyllis Roche claims that "Paul Ryan scares Obama." What a laugh. Ryan is the current Sarah Palin. But where Palin was just a joke, Ryan has legitimate baggage to explain. So far he has run away from his postion on abortion (think Todd Akin), he has turned his draconian Medicare plan (which would put Medicare in the toilet by 2016) into an attack on the ACA accusing Obama of "cutting" 716 billion (in savings by reducing hospital reimbursements and combating fraud) from Medicare, run away from his freakish addiction to Ayn Rand so he won't be labeled a cultist (like most evangelicals already believe that Romney, a Mormon is), and too bad he has forced his staff to read Rand and they are prone to talk, pretend that Romney, who HAD no plan to fix the economy, is not stealing the so-called "Ryan Plan," and made it his own, and on and on.

    Ryan is poison to any thinking person. Just as Sarah Palin had her devoted followers, just as Sarah Palin turned out to be a money-hungry opportunist, so Ryan will fall into the political cesspool of obscurity. Unless he is hired by FOX News.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 1:03 pm on Wed, Aug 22, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    Obama's budget for 2011 defeated in Democratic controlled Senate 99-0.
    Obama's budget for 2012 defeated in Democratic controlled Senate 97-0.
    Apparently even Obama's lackey liberals don't like his budgets?? How embarassing for our American government.
    Law says the President has to submit a budget, nothing says how good the budget has to be. I doubt Obama could script a budget for a one car cab company. No wonder our country is in such a financial mess.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:25 am on Wed, Aug 22, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The U.S. government’s indebtedness to foreign interests has grown by 72.3 % during President Barack Obama’s term in office. In January 2009, when Obama was inaugurated, the U.S. government owed $3.0717 trillion to foreign entities, according to the Treasury Department. That has increased by $2.2206 trillion—or 72.3 %—to the record $5.2923 trillion as reported by the U.S. Treasury last Wednesday.


    The additional debt that the U.S. government has taken on during the Obama presidency is more debt than the federal government accumulated in the first 219 years of the Republic.


  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:52 am on Wed, Aug 22, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    It's really not worth responding to Phyllis Roche's monthly bs since she wouldn't believe it anyway. Over twenty years, and this "woman" hasn't written anything worth reading. And I use the term "written" very loosely. Mostly a word for word rehash of the claptrap that she gets from her monthly JBS newsletter.

    From PolitiFact on the oft repeated "no budget for three years" claim:

    "As per law, Obama has submitted a budget for each fiscal year he’s been president -- fiscal years 2010, 2011 and 2012, according to a quick check on the Government Printing Office’s website, where the documents are posted."

    "Congress last adopted a budget resolution in fiscal year 2010. It neglected to do so in fiscal year 2011 and appears unlikely to agree on a budget framework for the next fiscal year, 2012, which begins Oct. 1, said Steve Ellis, a budget expert with Taxpayers for Common Sense, an independent group that analyzes federal spending."

    "In 2010, the then Democratic-controlled House and Senate did not adopt a budget resolution or adopt a single spending bill "because the Democrats were afraid of being labeled big spenders," Ellis said."

    "In April, 2011, without a budget resolution, Congress, with the House controlled by Republicans, agreed to a spending bill for fiscal 2011 in order to avoid a government shutdown. That bill provides funding through the end of September, 2011."

    "And this year, it appears again unlikely that Congress will adopt a budget resolution. The now GOP-controlled House approved its budget resolution -- commonly referred to as the Paul Ryan Plan after its principal author, the Wisconsin Republican who is chairman of the House budget committee -- which Democrats consider "draconian," Ellis said."


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