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Posted: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:00 am

The question of the day: What to do about Syria?

As I type, perhaps that decision has been made. If not, why is the U.S. flaunting four or five destroyers that can be observed on CNN or Fox? Remember, it's what you can't see that would put the most fear in the people in charge — if there are any — in Syria. Of course, I am talking about those steel tubes called nuclear submarines; nobody knows where they are, and they pack enough weapons to eliminate Syria, Iran and North Korea all at the same time.

Whatever is done, do not leave it up to Congress. A group of fifth-graders could make a better decision. Either use the billions of dollars in the form of ships and submarines, or call the whole thing off and send the ships and submarines back to Norfolk, Virginia.

President Bush had an answer to poison gas used by Saddam. Will Obama step up, or have the fleet limp home like a whipped puppy? Time will tell. Perhaps it already has as I type. Nobody likes the U.S. anyway, or can hold a candle to its naval power. I say give them a good reason, as we will end up rebuilding those countries in a few years anyway.

Speaking of poison gas, the reason no weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq is because they were all sent to Syria for safekeeping.

Ed Walters

Lodi

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51 comments:

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:51 am on Sun, Sep 8, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2993

    You clearly missed the point. France's use of YouTube videos as evidence is comical when one considers Bobin's adversion to YouTube. [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:57 am on Sun, Sep 8, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2993

    If one ascribes to the official 9/11 fairytale 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi. [sleeping]

     
  • robert maurer posted at 11:02 am on Thu, Sep 5, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 442

    [thumbup]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:51 pm on Wed, Sep 4, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2993

    ARTICLE III, SECTION 3, CLAUSE 1 isn't complicated.
    "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

    President Pinnocchio is CLEARLY committing an impeachable offense by adhering to our enemies and giving them Aid and Comfort. Jabhat al-Nusra was declared a terrorist organization by Obama's own State Department nearly a year ago.

    There is NO reason to ignore TREASON.


     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:25 pm on Wed, Sep 4, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1349

    Thomas: Isn't this kind of creepy??? Like copying and saving all of our posts?

    It's clear he doesn't work for infowars or anyone else for that matter. What normal person has time to do this?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:18 pm on Wed, Sep 4, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    It is called being consistent. I felt the same way about Iraq and felt we should have got out of Afghanistan no more than a year after invading them. We had to go after the perpetrators of 9-11 but we should have put all our efforts into it, made a statement militarily and came home.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:22 pm on Wed, Sep 4, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Always the intellectual, eh, Mr. Baxter?

    We should have taken that tack with Bush in Iraq. Absolutely no loss to the country or the world. It may have even made him smarter having a load of C4 along with the accompanying nails, screws and rat poison smack him upside the head. And he could have taken Rumsfeld and Cheney with him, Cheney of course being no stranger to seeing people shot in the face.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:14 pm on Wed, Sep 4, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Good one, Mr. Maurer. Just hours ago my husband asked, "Just when was the last time France won a war? Was it WWI?"

    I responded, "That's like asking when was the last time Great Britain won a war. Probably against France at Waterloo. As for France, at least they won the French Revolution, but then they were only fighting against themselves. As for WWI, France wouldn't exist now but for help from the US, as usual"

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:03 pm on Wed, Sep 4, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    [thumbup] Egads, I actually agree with John Lucas. Someone send the devil some ice skates, hades has frozen over.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:58 pm on Wed, Sep 4, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    Easy fix. Let Obama sneak into Syria, in disguise, wearing a suicide vest, find the chemical weapons, place himself in the middle of them and !!he BOOM. No more chemical weapons in Syria. I know it would make him a Martyr in my mind.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:27 pm on Wed, Sep 4, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    If it was in our national security interest to do this I would do it in a heartbeat. I think because it is not in our vital interest that if the world wants to do it we need all the nations on board. I am not a big believer in playing around. I we do decide to get involved I do not believe in half measures. You have to leave an imprint on those we hammer. I just do not see any good coming our of this. I could be wrong but that is where I am coming from.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 3:07 pm on Wed, Sep 4, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 442

    John, do we really need the OK from China and Russia on this? Some countries are on board with UN agreements, some are not. The previously mentioned countries are not on board in many respects, and it's up to us as a nation to voice our concerns. But I agree with you that peace in the middle-east is a joke, and a very expensive one at that.We leave, they usually prosper, with billions ,if not trillions of US dollars invested, to start another tribal or religious war, which the USA should not get involved with.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:33 pm on Wed, Sep 4, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I have to disagree with the President on this one. Without other nations on board including Russia and China nothing good can come out of this. The idea we lose some credibility is laughable. Our military can unleash H-ll on earth and the parties all know it. Trying to get some sort of order in that part of the world by bombing is laughable. These sort of things fix themselves in the long run.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 2:06 pm on Wed, Sep 4, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 442

    France evidence? My side hurts from laughter and my brain aches from too much stupidity fed to it. A French book of "Military Heoes" would be so thin that a mechanic could use the pages for exhaust clearances measurement on a 350 chevy engine.[beam]...Seriously though....

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:09 pm on Wed, Sep 4, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2993

    The "evidence" France has presented to justify the use of military force in Syria consists primarily of YouTube videos.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:09 pm on Wed, Sep 4, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2993

    The "evidence" France has presented to justify the use of military force in Syria consists primarily of YouTube videos.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:55 am on Wed, Sep 4, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Oh, no need to counsel me on how to get credible information.

    Yes, youtube does give me a case of "how stupid do the people who make this nonsense think I am?" - but they have plenty of others who eat it up like funnel cakes at the county fair. So no loss on their part.

    Still waiting for the link to the LTE I wrote in which I mentioned "ROFLMAO." I'm between books and need something intelligent to read.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 11:02 am on Wed, Sep 4, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1349

    Joanne, Film makers of the caliber you find on that highly selective and much regarded website YouTube bring their own orchestra with them as well as a composer to work up a score that best suits the setting.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:21 am on Wed, Sep 4, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2993

    Ms. Bobin, The White House website has posted their "evidence" for military intervention in Syria. You might want to read the "evidence" France has provided considering your "allergy" to YouTube. ROFLMAO!

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:52 am on Wed, Sep 4, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2993

    "I could look it up. I just don't want to." EXACTLY!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:42 am on Wed, Sep 4, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I'm not sure which youtube "evidence" you are talking about, Mr. Liebich.

    What I can tell you is that I just wasted 5 minutes of my life that I'll never get back looking at the garbage videos you have recommended plus one hysterically funny one from the infowars website about FEMA camps.

    What in the world would these "filmmakers" do without dramatic music and plentiful idiots to watch this nonsense.

    Especially loved the link below showing so-called American military holding up signs protesting involvement in Syria. Of course - no actually FACES were shown in the making of that film. Anyone could put on uniforms and hold up signs. Not saying they aren't American military - could be - I wouldn't want to be sent to some god-awful war in another ME country either.

    And RT? You do know what the "R" in RT stands for, right? No bias there.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 7:50 am on Wed, Sep 4, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1349

    Blab, Blab, Blab. I haven't got time for your useless reminiscing. I'm sure someone with a lot of time on their hands like you who doesn't work for infowars or andy jones or chasing non-existant airplanes making non-existing vapor trails or proving that the Japanese Tsunami was caused by an underwater nuclear explosion and has time to copy all my posts so you can review them late into the night belileving there is some sort of love triangle going on here. Your only friend....the computer monitor.

    Suffice to say, I still don't know the person you are talking about, but I could look it up. I just don't want to. And I'm also sure you didn't watch any Senate hearings yesterday but relied on some secondary source for your information. I'm satisfied with the Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's answers.

    Maybe Joanne can answer your queston about France when you supply the proof you work for infowars or andy jones or who ever?

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 7:29 am on Wed, Sep 4, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1349

    Blab, Blab, Blab. I haven't got time for your useless reminiscing. I'm sure someone with a lot of time on their hands like you who doesn't work for infowars or andy jones or chasing non-existant airplanes making non-existing vapor trails or proving that the Japanese Tsunami was caused by an underwater nuclear explosion and has time to copy all my posts so you can review them late into the night belileving there is some sort of love triangle going on here. Your only friend....the computer monitor.

    Suffice to say, I still don't know the person you are talking about, but I could look it up. I just don't want to. And I'm also sure you didn't watch any Senate hearings yesterday but relied on some secondary source for your information. I'm satisfied with the Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's answers.

    Maybe Joanne can answer your queston about France when you supply the proof you work for infowars or andy jones or who ever?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:37 am on Wed, Sep 4, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2993

    Check out this video on YouTube. Why do you think this is happening Opologists?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ5mrm7dHP0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:15 am on Wed, Sep 4, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2993

    Ms. Bobin, Are you going to address my question concerning France and their YouTube evidence or is a pathetic ad hominem all you can muster? Have you watched ANY videos posted by the Obama supported "opposition" (AlQueda) in Syria?
    Mike, I understand, an ad hominem IS all you can muster. Do you remember when I said, “Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD), ranking Democrat on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, acknowledged that further investigation was warranted on Benghazi" and you responded by saying, "So? I have no idea who this person might be." Is it safe to assume you "have no idea" who the Syrian "opposition" is either Mike? Meanwhile...during the Senate hearings on Syria today... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics-live/the-senates-syria-hearing-live-updates/?id=ed01ca14-222b-4a23-b12c-c0b0d9d4fe0a

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 5:48 pm on Tue, Sep 3, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 447

    Joanne, with all your knowledge, by now you must know what ROFLMAO means. Goes along with what May West once said, is that a pistol in your pocket or are you happy to see me? Your spy wouldn`t print it anyway.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 2:52 pm on Tue, Sep 3, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1349

    And a little more credibility disappears from what little you have that remains. You have quite a history of weaseling away when caught. And when caught you attack the person who points it out and instead of being responsible and admitting the error you reply with your ad hominem nonsense. Even now, you refuse to acknowledge that this "AP" writer is not employeed by the Associated Press. She isn't an employee!! She writes stories that the AP runs, yes, but she is nothing more than a stringer. Maybe she worked for the Assocaiated Press in the past, but right now and at the time of this story she was not in their employ no more than if I took a picture someone and sold it to AP I could say I am employed by them. It's dishonest and you know it.

    Look, I just scratched the surface and found a lie. But this is the conspiracy theorists' method of operation. I noticed you didn't respond to any of my other challenges in this and other stories you dream up or copy and paste.

    I admit it took me awhile, mostly because I'm lazy, but when you respond with a link to a website of a legitimate source, you never do that. Instead you link to another link which comes from another link. When the reader just goes to the original source data, it never quite matches up. And as I have pointed out recently (and has Joanne to), you and your fellow conspiracy theorists are quick to cite sources which when researched, end with a single person who gives their site a fancy official name. Your level of intellectual honesty here is in question, no, it is the question.

    That your posts, without copying and pasting, are ad hominem nonsense you have to resort to, your insistance that you work for infowars, but can't prove it, and your juvenile attacks on the President (President Pinnochio), which are copy and pasted as well are proof your not who you say you are and you are not what you say you are. I don't know who you are or what you do, but I can say with 100% certaintiy all the things you aren't.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:34 pm on Tue, Sep 3, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    We?

    Do you have a mouse in your pocket, Mr. Liebich, or are you still pretending to be a collaborator and/or correspondent for Alex Jones and InfoWars?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:32 pm on Tue, Sep 3, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Yes, that would be helpful.

    Plus I can read something worthwhile for a change.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:50 pm on Tue, Sep 3, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2993

    Yes Mike, Dale Gavlak wrote the piece "in collaboration" with Yahya Ababneh as the preface to their article clearly states.
    Duh. [sleeping]

    Your ad hominem nonsense is just that, ad hominem nonsense. [rolleyes]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 12:02 pm on Tue, Sep 3, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1349

    "Mr. Heuer, If you are completely unaware of the fact that Syrian rebels in the Damascus suburb of Ghouta HAVE ADMITTED TO ASSOCIATED PRESS CORRESPONDENT DALE GAVLAK that they were responsible for last week’s chemical weapons incident "

    "Reporter Yahya Ababneh, with whom the report was written in collaboration, was the correspondent on the ground in Ghouta who spoke directly with the rebels, their family members, victims of the chemical weapons attacks and local residents' "

    "......we merely pointed to Gavlak’s credentials to stress that she is a credible source".......A credible source who admitted she did not actually conduct interviews, either personally or with an interpreter" This is called fraud and in most news organizations she would have been fired. She wasn't fired by AP because she doesn't work for AP. She contributes occasionally to AP as well as many other news organizations. In your clarification, even you didn't point this out, further promoting the fraud and deciet common in conspiracy theory websites such as infowars, who can always use the excuse "WE didn’t claim this was the case," And WE implies you are part of WE. As you have been unable to provide any proof you work for infowars, you should stop using "WE" for the more accurate description of "THEY".

    And the main point is (and this relates to you lack of credibility) you posted information you knew was not factual and then refused tp state what was truthful in your clarification.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:17 am on Tue, Sep 3, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2993

    Eric, Yes, the Bush administration lied but did you know the number of US troops killed in war since President Obama took office is now twice the number that were killed during Bush's term? Why are you unable to digest the fact that the Obama administration lies as well? President Pinnocchio is now arming and funding the same individuals responsible for the 5,000 deaths you just mentioned. F.Y.I. Article III Section 3 clause 1 defines this as TREASON. Mike, Dale Gavlak is an AP correspondent, but her story was not published under the banner of the Associated Press. We didn’t claim this was the case, we merely pointed to Gavlak’s credentials to stress that she is a credible source, being not only an AP correspondent, but also having written for PBS, BBC and Salon.com. Ms. Bobin, The evidence France has presented consists primarily of YouTube videos. Your adversion to YouTube videos despite the fact they are now being used as evidence to justify the use of military force in Syria is comical. Why are you pretending you don't know what ROFLMAO means? Should I provide a link to the Letter to the Editor where you provided it's meaning? ROFLMAO!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:26 am on Tue, Sep 3, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [sleeping]

    Please translate ROFLMAO. Is that even English?

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 9:26 am on Tue, Sep 3, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1349

    Thomas:
    This is why andrew has such a credibility problem here and why anything he provides needs careful vetting:

    Posted by Andrew Liebich posted at 12:01 am on Tue, Sep 3, 2013.

    "Mr. Heuer, If you are completely unaware of the fact that Syrian rebels in the Damascus suburb of Ghouta have admitted to Associated Press correspondent Dale Gavlak that they were responsible for last week’s chemical weapons incident you might be a brain-dead zombie. "

    And then this appears:
    "Clarification: Dale Gavlak assisted in the research and writing process of this article, but was not on the ground in Syria. Reporter Yahya Ababneh, with whom the report was written in collaboration, was the correspondent on the ground in Ghouta who spoke directly with the rebels, their family members, victims of the chemical weapons attacks and local residents'

    'Gavlak is a MintPress News Middle East correspondent who has been freelancing for the AP as a Amman, Jordan correspondent for nearly a decade. This report is not an Associated Press article; rather it is exclusive to MintPress News."

    http://www.mintpressnews.com/witnesses-of-gas-attack-say-saudis-supplied-rebels-with-chemical-weapons/168135/

    Perhaps andrew should exercise more care in labeling those who might disagree with him. His contributions cannot withstand the mildest scrutiney. But this is typical andrew. Believe anything on infowars.


     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:13 am on Tue, Sep 3, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1460

    Glad we finally found that gas it's a shame we wasted 4 trillion dollars and 5000 lives looking for it in Iraq. I wonder where the nuclear weapons will show up at, that is what the Bushies meant by mushroom clouds right?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:05 am on Tue, Sep 3, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2993

    Ms. Wasserman Schultz, What do you think about the evidence France has provided? ROFLMAO!

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:01 am on Tue, Sep 3, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2993

    Mr. Heuer, If you are completely unaware of the fact that Syrian rebels in the Damascus suburb of Ghouta have admitted to Associated Press correspondent Dale Gavlak that they were responsible for last week’s chemical weapons incident you might be a brain-dead zombie.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
    I am continually amazed as well as amused by the willfully ignorant and mentally oblivious who frequent this forum. For example, MONTHS ago Mr. Heuer asked for "bonified beyond a shadow of a doubt proof" that President Pinnocchio condones, codles or defends radical muslim groups and months ago I provided it. Remember Mr. Heuer?
    posted at 7:58 am on Sunday, January 14,2013  See this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this and this.
    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gajqRgjDWax0oBhQk8MU7HX8BwTQ?docId=CNG.8b32ad461489ab05113fc900b5f26049.941
    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2012/0217/Top-US-official-Al-Qaeda-in-Iraq-joining-fight-against-Syria-s-Assad
    http://world.time.com/2012/07/26/time-exclusive-meet-the-islamist-militants-fighting-alongside-syrias-rebels/?iid=gs-main-lede
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/25/world/middleeast/al-qaeda-insinuating-its-way-into-syrias-conflict.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all&
    http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NG24Ak02.html
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443343704577551281530782466.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
    http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1233067--al-qaeda-is-seeking-to-manipulate-tensions-in-the-middle-east-to-its-own-advantage-warn-experts
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/05/10/Al-Qaeda-Ladies-Choir-Struts-Its-Stuff-in-Rebel-Syria
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9396256/Al-Qaeda-tries-to-carve-out-a-war-for-itself-in-Syria.html
    Fast forward to today and your head is still firmly burried in the sand despite President Pinnocchio recently saying, "we will continue to support the Syrian opposition" ROFLMAO!!!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:07 pm on Mon, Sep 2, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Good info, Mr. Heuer.

    I asked my own personal guide to what is fact and what is fiction about the number of "red lines" Obama has "drawn." My source has all hours in the day to research just about anything that's going on in the world.

    The answer: Two. One for Syria with regard to the use of chemical weapons, and one for Iran with regard to any threat to Israel.

    Not North Korea, I asked? Heck, no, my source replied. They have nukes and are just crazy enough to use them. No red lines for North Korea.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 3:37 pm on Mon, Sep 2, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1346

    As Bush once said we will act (in Iraq) "...at a time and place of our choosing." This is as it should be as well in Syria. Red lines are not calls to action but a change in our consideration. Previously Syria was engaged in a civil war which for all intent and purpose was of little concern to our national security. Early calls for action (especially McCain) were, even then, unclear as to what we should do. Arm the rebels? The rebels are factions, with Al Qaeda among the factions. Do we arm them as well? Would we be facilitating an Al Qaeda take over of Syria? There is no question as to whether or not to put boots on the ground. That was not an acceptable option. There were no good options. And really, should we even be involved?

    Using chemical weapons now is a game changer. It adds a whole level of deliberation as to what we should do. It is not a call for instant action since the threat has already taken place and further use of the weapons has not been realized. Had there been attacks before? Apparently yes but it was not clear by whom. In hindsight we can assume previous attacks were also Asad.

    Of course we are tired of war but its a different tired than what we experienced in WWII. We had clear victories and a sense of a job well done. Now we have been at war for over a decade with only a shallow image of completion and no sense of having anything to show for our efforts. So if the red line is drawn now and it starts the rethink of what we should doit is not the signal to rush in willie-nilley into another long slog to nowhere. And that sense letting the world (or any armchair general) dictate when and what we should do is foolish.

    The red line changed when British Parliament stated they were not interested, Of course our tea party congress who can't agree on whether or not to pay our bills effects the worlds confidence in us and how much we can be counted on. Congress has been divided over Syria so why should anyone feel confident in what commitment they can make. The Arab league has said they want action to be taken though they are hesitant to rely on the west. So that is another calculation. NATO has been split over the issue so that's changeable. The red line is our line not their line.

    Now is the time to get our ducks in a row and quit thinking about the meaning of red lines. It is silly to think something should have been done before even though no one could decide on what to do especially before we had the evidence we now seem to have. Again lack of evidence was a mistake in IRAQ. This issue of credibility is ridiculous. The military-might of the US is unmatched. The world has already seen us hesitate for some actions (Rwanda) and act on others (Iraq) where they believe we shouldn't have. Our credibility is all over the map. Everyone knows if we decide to act we will. And as it should be, in the time and place of our choosing.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 1:22 pm on Mon, Sep 2, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 447

    Hello again Ms. Bobin. This round goes to Google and I advise you to do the same. Just Google up Obama and his red line. Rather than making an attempt at answering your question, let Google do it for me. The articles make Barry look rather foolish, and makes the world wonder if the US has lost its stomach for war, from looking at all the press 60% of the American public want the US to stay out of Syria. For a change you can verify for yourself via Google what is the latest. One thing, right or wrong, congress gave President Bush a green light to invade Iraq, this congress doesn`t want to make waves, all they care about is getting re-elected.

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 11:54 am on Mon, Sep 2, 2013.

    advocate Posts: 499

    Just where did you serve in the marines, Ed?

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 11:51 am on Mon, Sep 2, 2013.

    advocate Posts: 499

    You sure could fool me claiming no party affiliation. You are as far right wing bushie as they come according to your rants.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:24 am on Mon, Sep 2, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1346

    Gotcha

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:53 am on Mon, Sep 2, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Heuer - as with everything "Andrew," you have to read between the lines.

    Since he contends that the Obama Administration is funding the rebels and the rebels are actually ALL al Qaeda, thus he believes any naval action is "the al Qaeda navy."

    Yeah, I know......

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 3:12 pm on Sun, Sep 1, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 447

    Well Doug: Here`s my take to the entire middle east, the people are all the same except for religions that they will kill for. That in itself makes them sub par humans. They have nothing, as far as teabagger goes, I used to be a Republican, now I am not a member of any party, and never will again. The answer to your question, no I am not related to Joe Baxter, if he is anything like me, he must be a good man. Semper Fi

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:35 am on Sun, Sep 1, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1346

    Thanks Joanne
    I also did the Google suggested by Ed and got similar results as you did. However the talk of an Al-Qaeda navy has me totally baffled so I agree with Ed there.

    However the genius of Obama has again revealed itself in this tense drama. Congress has been yelping that they should be included in any decision regarding actions in Syria though the POTUS doesn't need to. Obama and Kerry have recognized there are humanitarian concerns in regards to gassing civilians. And yes Ed I am aware of the gassings going on. The question has always been who is responsible. Assad or the rebels (whomever) looking to get the US involved. Even Andrew has alluded to this in the past. The inspectors have wrapped up their inspections and SOS Kerry states we now have clear evidence that Assad used the weapons . Now we have a predicament.

    With the Brits nixing their support for an attack, Russia and China nixing UN support put the responsibility of action squarely in the lap of the president. Of course conservatives are salivating at this opportunity to do the "gotcha" game with the president. If he goes in they can say Obama went against the opinion of the world (making Bush look better) and if it goes sour its all Obamas fault. If it goes good, as in Libya, the criticisms crumble into mere conservative grumblings for the Conservative media entertainment complex (Fox, EIB, etc).

    However if Obama does nothing then the conservatives will say he ignored a humanitarian moment making the US look heartless and uncaring. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't which is the conservatives "modus operandi" they feel will help them win elections not solve Americas problems. So now Obama has turned it on them and said OK I will consult with congress and let them make the decision to strike or not. So if they say go or no, it will be on them. They can take responsibility. I love it.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:53 am on Sun, Sep 1, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Ed, I don't know where you get your numbers on Executive Orders (FOX News?). It certainly WASN'T from Google. George W. Bush issued almost 300 in 8 years. Obama has issued 157 in 5 1/2 years, so he is pretty much on track to be even with Bush.

    This compares with Truman (over 900), FDR (over 3500), Hoover (over 900), Wilson (over 1800) and Teddy Roosevelt (over 1000).

    Where is your OUTRAGE here? Oh, I forgot, the Google on YOUR computer has "different" numbers (HEE HEE).

    Perhaps you should look at the subjects of the EO's before you get your panties in a bunch - then you can make a judgment about them and the number of them.

    Here's Bush's: http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/orders/

    And Obama's: http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/executive-orders

    The latest of Obama's - August 7th, 2013 - "Prohibiting the import of certain Burmese Jadeite and Rubies." OR August 1, 2013 - "Improving Chemical Facility Safety and Security."

    OOOOOH!!! Scary the amount of POWER Obama has through his Executive Orders!!

    You stated that "you love your country and HATE the government."

    In THIS country, the GOVERNMENT and COUNTRY are one in the same. That's why we are a republic and a democracy. I guess you weren't paying attention in that high school government class you should have taken - maybe you were out trying to impress your girlfriend with your latest hot ride?

    I'd hate to think that a person of your "sharp" mental acuity has so inadvertently declared himself a traitor.

    My husband has been taunting me with the prospect of Obama taking unilateral action in Syria. I told him Obama would be on my "s-list" if he did.

    "Oh - he replied - that's the LAST place ANYONE wants to be."

    We need to stop trying to be the saviors of the world.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:54 pm on Sat, Aug 31, 2013.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2242

    Mustard Gas is 19th century tech. Anyone can cook this stuff up which is one of the many reasons why those who use it need to be punished quickly and decisively.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 12:59 pm on Sat, Aug 31, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 447

    Andrew: Where in the world did you get the idea that AlQueda has a navy, unless you consider a couple of 18 footers with RPG`s qualify`s as a navy. I don`t know if you agree or disagree with me, but then it really doesn`t matter since I don`t care. Are you calling the Easter Bunny Iran in sheeps clothing? Love my country, hate the GOVERNMENT.

    Thomas, you like Andrew has a question, how about an answer. Hey, don`t kill the nessenger.

    Now, talking about Presidents of the past, all have issued Executive Orders in the past 100 years, President Bush comes in a distant second with 62 in 8 years in office. Barry has issued 923 in 31/2 years, Google up Executive Orders and see what lays ahead, you won`t believe what you are reading, according to what I have read, a pair of dirty skives is all you will have left. Read it before you jump all over me. You question Assad`s use of chemical weapons, evidently you don`t pay much attention to world events and the pictures of the dead ranging from the very young to old and quite evident and that they didn`t die from old age. The chemical agent used produces a chemical reaction that burns deep into the skin, along with those who inhailed the chemical, now pick your poison ( no pun intended ) as to how they suffered before they died, a most painful death. I saw a pic of Barry and Swift Boat Kerry, looked like they were trying to decide on a 6 letter word while playing Scrabble.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:25 am on Sat, Aug 31, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1346

    Thanks to Geo Bush "crying wolf" in Iraq with lies and deceptions the world has no faith in our current calls for action in the middle east. The outcomes for all our efforts, squandered economies, lost lives and injuries in Iraq and Afghanistan (don't forget Vietnam) has the effect of "other than that Mrs Lincoln what did you think of the play (war)." The idea of another military engagement, again without being attacked here, seems like a fools errand. If Assad has used chemical weapons on his own people, including women and children, our retaliation would be what, bombings and the killing of more civilians? The term "surgical strikes" sounds like the ideal strategy but bombs (or drones) aren't really able to tell civilian from foe or avoid collateral damage.

    Obama and Kerry (and others) make compelling argument of how we can't let Syria set the agenda for other dictators itching to control political opponents. I get it. But this turns it again into a war of principle. It becomes the same as realizing the Vietnam war was a waste but we kept fighting, losing lives until we could get "peace with honor" and what honor did we achieve?

    Iran has threatened Israel if we attack Syria but I think Israel is hoping for just an action to have the justification to take out Iran's nuclear ambitions. Russia is poised to protect their interests (namely oil). It is not clear how far they are willing to go since they too have sent war ships into the area. Are we facing another "Cuban missle crisis" like stand off with the chance the Russians won't blink this time? Can we indeed go it alone with so few allies (France?) in case this does go beyond a "teach them a lesson" effort on our part? Its a damned if you do and damned if you don't proposition.

    Again to say we have the might (which we do) so lets just bomb them regardless attitude is the same neocon attitudes that prevailed in the lead up to the war in Iraq which proved so wrong headed then. Our bravado then cost us credibility now.

    I am against war unless we have a clear enemy. I can have sympathy toward "humanitarian" engagement but it has to be recognized by the international community. If things go sour and of course the first salvo of war by its nature changes the battle plans you may need all the support and resources you can muster. If you can't gain them before the battle starts then you surely won't be able to gain them if things go bad as we experienced in Iraq and Afghanistan.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:08 am on Sat, Aug 31, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2993

    Apparently Mr. Walters hasn't realized that providing AlQueda with a Navy is a direct violation of Article III Section 3 clause 1 of our Constitution. President Pinnocchio ought not be encoraged to commit treason. P.S. Who do you think supplied Iraq with their poison gas? The Easter Bunny?

     

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