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Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2013 12:00 am

This letter is concerning John Lucas’ letter, “We need to get back to building a strong economy,” Dec. 10.

I agree that it would be nice if John would tell Obama, who has never addressed the jobs issue other than in speeches, that we need to get back to building a strong economy. It’s universal health care, opening the borders to illegal immigrants, the lie of global warming, gay rights and on and on that either has nothing to do with the economy or inhibits the growth and stifles it.

He cites Reagan’s era as supply side economics or trickle-down economics. Reagan’s enemies — the Bushes — called it voodoo economics. History calls it the greatest peacetime economic expansion in our history. But instead of continuing the Reagan model and legacy, the Bushes, who considered Reagan some uneducated hick born in a rented room above a bank, were so much smarter being born of privilege and part of the elite ruling class, weren’t about to follow Reagan’s example. That family is responsible for the greatest expansion of government — rivaled only by their hero FDR — and is now a pittance compared to Obama, and both parties are complicit in it.

And as far as the Pope is concerned, yes he is an international figure who is also internationally known for his communist leanings, which is a fact. That is why Obama, whose party almost left God and Israel out of their platform, is fond of quoting him while the Catholic Church and several others are suing his administration for infringing on their religious beliefs.

In Reagan’s eight years, over 16 million more people were working. After five years of Obama, there are 4 million less people working. Give us some voodoo, Lord! And please, no more Bushes, Doles, McCains, Grahams, Romneys, Christies, Boehners, McConnells, Collins and on and on. Republicans all!

Ron Portal

Lodi

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58 comments:

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:25 pm on Fri, Dec 27, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [thumbup]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:41 pm on Mon, Dec 23, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1845

    Right after you explain "nether region, and not in the Biblical sense".

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:50 am on Mon, Dec 23, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Ignoring the numerous statistics substantiating the fact that Reagans recovery worked and Obama's hasn't doesn't make them go way.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:46 am on Mon, Dec 23, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Birch - suggest you figure out what Mr. Baxxter means by POS president. Next time you won't post this comment maybe.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:44 am on Mon, Dec 23, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Yes, Mr. Liebich. As YOU wrote, reading comprehension DOES come in handy. I suggest you get some.

    I apologize for the entire public or private school systems, whichever you attended, that caused you to NOT comprehend that crucial sentence.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:03 am on Mon, Dec 23, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mr. Baxter is correct.
    "Record unemployment, record forclosures, record welfare, record debt, record credit downgrade" have ALL occurred during the Obama administration.
    [sleeping]

    "Record unemployment"
    http://factreal.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/unemploymentrate2001-2011.jpg
    [sleeping]

    "record forclosures"
    http://www.statisticbrain.com/home-foreclosure-statistics/
    [sleeping]

    "record welfare"
    http://statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/
    [sleeping]

    "record debt"
    http://www.usdebtclock.org/
    [sleeping]

    "record credit downgrade"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_credit-rating_downgrade
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:34 am on Mon, Dec 23, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999


    Yes really. [sleeping]

    "FYI - Mr. Paglia - President Obama was not in on the "Fast and Furious" debacle"

    posted at 2:25 pm on Sat, Dec 1, 2012.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:42 pm on Sun, Dec 22, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1845

    What difference does it make how much your home is worth if nobody can afford to buy it? Banks are finally requiring that people are qualified to get home loans, unlike in the past when the banks were forced to make loans to unqualified borrowers, BY LAW. You might want to look up to see how BHO was involved in lawsuits against the banks to make these bad, bad loans so the "poor people" could buy a house, qualified or not.. Barney Fwank, Maxine Waters, et al,l were responsible for the Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac fiasco. Do I recall what side of the aisle they were on, oh yeah, LIBERAL DEMOCRATS.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:32 pm on Sun, Dec 22, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1845

    You wish.....No matter how you spin it, your boy is holding the cards now.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 3:54 pm on Sat, Dec 21, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2826

    Steve,

    Given the Liberal Media, Hollywood, and the likes of Sharpton and Jackson, I can see why you would be skeptical.
    Heaven forbid a Black Republican be nominated for President and actually give the Black person hope without relying on the government for a handout and playing the victim. Of course that's what folks like you are saying.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:48 pm on Sat, Dec 21, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1845

    Oh yeah, the economy, under out Liberal Wizard Obama, is in great shape? shape? How long are liberals going to believe their lying POS president? Doctored statistics that paint a rosy picture, when in fact we are spiraling downward daily, are swallowed by every one of the liberal lemmings. They want to believe in Barry sooooo bad. Pathetic, simply pathetic.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 1:52 pm on Sat, Dec 21, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1845

    If the "news" on the Daily show is comedy, I wonder why liberals love to refer to it as reality. Oh yeah, forgot, their "reality" is comedy.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 10:03 am on Sat, Dec 21, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1845

    Hogwash, the GM bailout was Obama's payback to the UNIONS. He didn't give a rat about anyone else except the UNIONS who helped him get elected. PERIOD.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:49 am on Sat, Dec 21, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baxxter's comments make me wonder just what he was doing or where he was from 2001 to 2008.

    Must have been in a "no news zone." All the things he listed in his comment at 6:26PM occurred during George Walker Bush's administration.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:46 am on Sat, Dec 21, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich: "Of course when John Stewart thrashes Obama over Fast and Furious http://youtu.be/Vgil5gKBwWE or his lies about NSA surveilance http://youtu.be/7qZygn1ukNc you tune out rather than tune in."

    Not really, Mr. Liebich. As a regular watcher of The Daily Show I appreciate the fact that Jon Stewart does not skimp on criticism when it is deserved as most who DO NOT watch the show believe.

    It's just that the actions and thoughts of Republicans and conservatives in general needs no comedic spin - it is just comedy in the raw to begin with.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:50 am on Sat, Dec 21, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1845

    John, at what point does your idol, Obama, take responsibility for what is happening in America? Let me guess, NEVER. That's why liberals are such blathering idiots.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:14 am on Sat, Dec 21, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2826

    John,

    Neither party is good at fiscal Consevatism all the time. I realize you would have a problem making that statement.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:08 am on Sat, Dec 21, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2826

    Well Ms. Bobbin,

    How can I be lying about something I didn't know about for years? I just recently found out Brown is a Fiscal Conservative. Again, you're tendancy to twist things.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 8:06 pm on Fri, Dec 20, 2013.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2308

    This statement is meaningless since a black man has about as much of a chance of winning the Republican nomination as Sarah Palin has of joining MENSA.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:05 pm on Fri, Dec 20, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baxxter wrote: "You do realize the Daily Show is comedy, don't you?"

    Yes I do, Mr. Baxxter. As Mr. Barrow said, conservatives cannot help but provide the comedic material for the show.

    Even when they think they are being interviewed by a serious journalist rather than one of the shows comic cast, they stick to their ridiculous points of view as evidenced by the Forbes columnist segment and end up making complete fools out of themselves.

    Another great segment was the GOP election official from North Carolina. This from the Christian Science Monitor:

    "Carolina Republican Party official Don Yelton is the latest public figure to learn that fake news shows can get you in just as much trouble as real ones. He resigned after a 'Daily Show' interview this week."

    Here's a link to the whole hilarious story. Best part - the Daily Show correspondent Aasif Mandvi asked, "You do know we can hear you, don't you?" in response to the man's ludicrous statements.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/Vox-News/2013/1025/GOP-state-official-quits-after-Daily-Show-interview.-He-said-what-video

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:58 pm on Fri, Dec 20, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Once again you haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about.
    [sleeping]

    http://www.infowars.com/corporate-socialism-gm-says-no-way-it-will-pay-back-10-billion/

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:53 pm on Fri, Dec 20, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Of course when John Stewart thrashes Obama over Fast and Furious http://youtu.be/Vgil5gKBwWE or his lies about NSA surveilance http://youtu.be/7qZygn1ukNc you tune out rather than tune in.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:34 pm on Fri, Dec 20, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Or the ideals that Dr. Ben Carson embraces. Specifically comparing the ACA to slavery.

    And this man has political ambitions. He may be a highly educated man and a crack neurosurgeon, but we can also compare him to the career successes of the pizza man whose name escapes me right now - I guess he was that forgettable except for his crackpot ideas. Oh, yeah, Herman Cain!

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:06 pm on Fri, Dec 20, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The total liabilities of the United States government, including future social security and medicare payments that the U.S. government is already committed to pay out, now exceed 65 TRILLION dollars, which is more than the ENTIRE GDP OF THE WHOLE WORLD Mr. Barrow.

    WAKE-UP! [sleeping]

    Anybody who has watched the real inflation and unemployment numbers knows the “recession” didn’t end. It’s going strong and is more accurately defined as a depression.

    Here are 83 FACTS with cited sources for you to ignore. Enjoy!

    http://www.infowars.com/83-numbers-from-2013-that-are-almost-too-crazy-to-believe/

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:36 am on Fri, Dec 20, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    You said that Ferrara claimed "the Reagan recession began in 1969"

    He did not.

    He said, "THREE WORSENING RECESSIONS STARTING IN 1969 were about to culminate in the worst of all in 1981-1982"

    Reading comprehension does comes in handy.[sleeping]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:18 am on Fri, Dec 20, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1490

    U.S. homes gained $1.9 trillion in total value this year, the biggest jump since 2005, as the real estate market rebounded from the recession.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-19/u-s-home-values-gain-most-since-2005-zillow-says.html

    Report out today says that adjusted GDP went from a 3% increase to a 4% increase.

    People have always bought cars with loans don’t be ridiculous.

    You do understand that to eliminate the stimulus all at once would be a shock to the markets. The best news about the tapering is that when it was announced stocks jumped 300 points it seem the big money boys think the economy has grown strong enough to support tapering.
    Spin it any way you want it doesn't change the facts. I realize your alternate reality will cack if you were to except good news so if I where you I would think that way to.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:59 am on Fri, Dec 20, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Yes I am sure you would. Losing 750,000 jobs a month, doubling of the national debt, crashing of the financial markets, millions of people losing their homes, the auto industry on its knees etc. The list goes on and on. You make me laugh and I am not laughing with you.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:58 am on Fri, Dec 20, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich wrote: "The Forbes article I provided was written by Peter Ferrara. Ferrara served in the White House Office of Policy Development under President Reagan, and as Associate Deputy Attorney General of the United States under President George H.W. Bush. His article DID NOT say the "Reagan recession began in 1969" nor did it contain predictions."

    Why is it not a surprise that a man who worked for (and most likely advised, i.e., "Office of Policy Development) would stridently support Reagan's economic policies? Did you think he was going to say Reagan was an economic moron?

    Here it is - what you just denied, Mr. Liebich. Apparently you just find what you think are relevant headlines without reading and understanding the content::

    According to Ferrara: "When President Reagan entered office in 1981, he faced actually much worse economic problems than President Obama faced in 2009. THREE WORSENING RECESSIONS STARTING IN 1969 were about to culminate in the worst of all in 1981-1982, with unemployment soaring into double digits at a peak of 10.8%.

    Here is where reading comprehension comes in handy. He STATES that these 3 recessions were never resolved and therefore CULMINATED in the 1981-1982 recession.

    Culminate:
    1.to reach the highest point, summit, or highest development (usually followed by in).
    2. to end or arrive at a final stage (usually followed by in): The argument culminated in a fistfight.

    Verdict: Mr. Liebich is incorrect in his assessment of Mr. Ferrara's column.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:55 am on Fri, Dec 20, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    It depends on what he did. If he was on par with Clarence Thomas we would be in real trouble.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:54 am on Fri, Dec 20, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Brian, Clinton was the only President since Ike to balance the budget. Reagan nearly tripled the national debt, Bush doubled it. Bush nearly destroyed the world economy. Spare us the idea that Republicans are "fiscal Conservatives" and should ever have their hand on the levers of government. They have a variation of the midas touch. Everything they touch turns brown and is the stuff that comes out of the backend of a cow.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:46 am on Fri, Dec 20, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [thumbup] [smile]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:44 am on Fri, Dec 20, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    This is the biggest lie ever. Brian Dockter now claims he ALWAYS supported Jerry Brown for his "fiscal conservatism."

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:06 am on Fri, Dec 20, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    This will be fun...let's go one by one shall we...

    1.) Bloomberg says RV sales are up. True, they are. Of course this has nothing to do with the new IRS tax deduction which makes interest on the RV loan deductible right Mr. Barrow.
    [sleeping]

    2.) Wee Hoo! Retail sales climbed 0.7% in November. Of course this has absolutely nothing to do with CHRISTMAS!
    [sleeping]

    3.) We will now print $75 billion each month out of thin air instead of $85 billion.
    [sleeping]

    4.) U3 numbers don't tell the complete story. U6 isn't a rock band from Ireland.
    [sleeping]

    5.) Auto sales have risen, but auto loans have gone through the roof. (See “Scary Story on the Booming Auto Sales No One Is Talking About.”)
    http://www.profitconfidential.com/economic-analysis/scary-story-on-the-booming-auto-sales-no-one-is-talking-about/
    [sleeping]

    6.) Again, U3 numbers don't tell the complete story. U6 isn't a rock band from Ireland.
    [sleeping]

    7.) Applications for home loans in the U.S. economy declined for 6 consecutive weeks and now sit at their lowest level since September. If buyers were rushing into the U.S. housing market, we would see these numbers soar higher, not edge lower. (Source: “U.S. mortgage applications slide for fifth straight week: MBA,” Reuters web site, December 4, 2013.)
    [sleeping]

    8.) http://homes.yahoo.com/news/cities-where-home-prices-have-fallen-the-most-in-the-last-year-234511467.html
    [sleeping]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:50 am on Fri, Dec 20, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1490

    without the bailout the American taxpayer would have been on the hook for 29 billion in pension liabilities and also would have lost 40 billion in tax revinue and social security payment not to mention the unemployment cost to all of those laid of workers.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:45 am on Fri, Dec 20, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1490

    Yes and conservative are the punch line. They sure seem to give John lots of material.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:20 am on Fri, Dec 20, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1845

    The GM bailout only cost the taxpayers over $10 BILLION. What a deal.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:02 am on Fri, Dec 20, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2826

    John Lucas Stated:

    Do not worry Ron. What happened in California is going to spread across the nation.

    -I can't disagree with you here John. Gov. Brown has always been a fiscal Conservative. If this is what it takes, so be it. Welcome aboard, John. Frankly, I don't understand why it took you so long to figure out that fiscal Liberalism does not work.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:53 am on Fri, Dec 20, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2826

    Well Folks,

    We will always have our disagreements. This is for sure. However,if the first Black President had been a Republican I doubt we would hear those same sentiments from the staunch proponents of this Black Republican President that one is a racist and a bigot because one disagrees with him/her. Ah, but let me remind you. Those opponents would say their is no such thing as a racist/bigotted Liberal.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:26 pm on Thu, Dec 19, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1845

    Yep, just like the liberals miserable failing economic track record. Record unemployment, record forclosures, record welfare, record debt, record credit downgrade, etc, etc, etc,,,,, Thanks, I will take the conservative track record over the one we have now.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:21 pm on Thu, Dec 19, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1845

    You do realize the Daily Show is comedy, don't you?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:19 pm on Thu, Dec 19, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1845

    Yet the conservatives idolize the morons like Ed Schulz, Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow. These screwballs set the bar high for babbling idiots.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:13 pm on Thu, Dec 19, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1845

    Economy is growing? Get a grip. Why are record numbers of people on and applying for EBT, SNAP, unemployment and any other entitlement they can get if the economy is so swell? Must be nice to live in dreamland. Just HOW are the republicans trying to make it fail? Facts, not your hyperbole.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 4:14 pm on Thu, Dec 19, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I find it ridiculous that anyone who disagrees with you is labeled "you Conservatives" but whatever...it doesn't matter. I understand how helplessly stuck in the false left/right paradigm you are. There is a record Mr. Lucas and it's publicly available. Unfortunately, the record does not match your opinion.
    [sleeping]
    http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat01.htm

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:57 pm on Thu, Dec 19, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The Forbes article I provided was written by Peter Ferrara. Ferrara served in the White House Office of Policy Development under President Reagan, and as Associate Deputy Attorney General of the United States under President George H.W. Bush. His article DID NOT say the "Reagan recession began in 1969" nor did it contain predictions.

    It did contain numerous statistics substantiating the fact that Reagans recovery worked and Obama's hasn't which is why you want to discuss contrails and what John Tamny told Jessica Williams on The Daily Show. .
    [sleeping]

    P.S. I have never said anything about "mind-controlling chemicals" being sprayed on the American public. Contrails or condensation trails are made by the exhaust of jet aircraft or wingtip vortices which precipitate a stream of tiny ice crystals in moist, frigid upper air.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 2:48 pm on Thu, Dec 19, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1490

    The following show an increase in the economy,car sales, home values and RV sales and a drop in unemployment and foreclosures. Maybe Joanne is right you should starting looking past your nose to see what is going on you seem badly informed on current topics

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-19/rv-sales-rebound-as-u-s-economy-improves-ecopulse.html

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-19/leading-indicators-in-u-s-rose-more-than-forecast-in-november.html

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fed-to-start-withdrawing-stimulus-from-us-economy/

    http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.us.htm

    http://wap.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html

    http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/10/us-homes-entering-foreclosure-process-slid-in-3q-to-lowest-level-in-7-years/

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-26/home-prices-in-20-u-s-cities-rise-by-most-since-february-2006.html

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:32 pm on Thu, Dec 19, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "your sources should be interesting."

    Sources, eh, Mr. Baxxter? - the man who doesn't watch FOX News or any other conservative media - hates liberal media although he knows EXACTLY what their names are and what they are saying.

    Safe to say Mr. Baxxter pulls his sources from the nether regions - and not the nether regions in the Biblical sense.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:46 pm on Thu, Dec 19, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Yes we should do better than 200,000 new jobs every month. We would if the House of Representatives was not run by crazies (basically people who think like you do). One thing I do know. It is better than the 750,000 jobs a month we were losing when your hero and a man that shares your economic ideas left office, Bush JR. The problem with you Conservatives is that no matter how much you want to sweep it under the rug. YOU HAVE A TRACK RECORD.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:40 pm on Thu, Dec 19, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    The CBO says the stimulus created about 1.5 million jobs. He saved million of jobs with the auto bailout which Conservatives were dead set against. The fact that the economy is growing at all with the Republicans in the house trying everything in their power to make it fail is a miracle. If you want to see Conservative austerity measures in action see Greece, Spain and Portugal. They fell for your "Brilliant Ideas". Every where they are tried the economies tank.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:21 pm on Thu, Dec 19, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Incontrovertible?" Really? Just like the evidence that contrails are actually mind-controlling chemicals being sprayed on the American public? Of course this Forbes columnist is going to pretend that his predictions were correct. And really - he claims that the Reagan recession began in 1969?

    As for Mr. Liebich's Forbes reference, Forbes lost all credibility when they hired this moron as a columnist. Check out his interview with The Daily Show's Jessica Williams in which he claims there are no "literally" starving children in the United States.

    http://jezebel.com/you-know-the-response-whyd-you-have-kids-if-you-cant-a-1485998409/@ShulamithFriendzone

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:39 am on Thu, Dec 19, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1845

    Obama has a jobs plan? That's a funny stuff. Kindly let us in on what his great jobs plan entailed. Unemployment extensions don't qualify as a jobs plan. That's a great laugh. He also had a great budget plan and he couldn't even muster ONE vote from his liberal his allies on the Hill. I love it when liberals idolize a total incapable president and will defend his inept leadership, no matter what. Jobless claims up to 379,000 during a season that traditionally sees a hiring increases. Yeah, Barry boy, good job.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:27 am on Thu, Dec 19, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1845

    Mr. Barrw, why don't you let us in on how much the stimulus helped or failing economy. Your sources should be interesting, to say the least.....

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:35 am on Thu, Dec 19, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Joanne, you are so cruel. It is so mean when tell our Conservative friends factual information.

    [smile]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:31 am on Thu, Dec 19, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    if I voted for Bush twice I'd want to talk about Reagan to

    perfect [smile]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:42 am on Thu, Dec 19, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1490

    I’m not sure where everyone that thinks the stimulus has not worked has been getting their info from but you might try a different source and if I voted for Bush twice I'd want to talk about Reagan to. Seems the left gets chided every time they compare Obama to Bush because Bush is old news they say but it's perfectly all right to go back more than a quarter of a century and summon the ghost of Reagan to prove what great little conservatives they are. I'm sure that in a few more years after the left has fixed the economy the conservatives will be sitting around talking about what a great leader Bush was. John you got it right the only way to save this country is to keep the right in their fantasy world and out of public office.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:50 am on Thu, Dec 19, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    It is always interesting to visit other realities and Ron Portal’s is very interesting. Lets review some of his “facts”

    On the Reagan economic recovery he says “History calls it the greatest economic expansion in history” Really? there have been ten since WW II

    Reagan’s expansion rankings in various categories:

    7th in annual GDP growth
    3rd in length of recovery
    2nd in amount of jobs created.

    He did lead the field in nearly tripling the national debt
    He was second to Bush Jr in total amount of national debt created.

    I owned my own trucks during his time in office. About two years into it the price of oil went from $32 to $10 a barrel and settled at about $15. I bought a truck with a 3406 Cat and between the engine and the fall of the price of diesel I could go to the East coast and back for $900 dollars less. If you ate food, wore clothes, drove a car your expenses went way down. It put a lot of money in working people’s pockets. This is never mentioned about the great Reagan recovery. When Bush Jr did his Reagan thing by cutting taxes and shoving money to the uber wealthy and the price a fuel went up the 2008 financial collapse happened. Without the drop in the price of oil the Reagan recovery would not have happened.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    This is a gem and frankly a lie

    And as far as the Pope is concerned, yes he is an international figure who is also internationally known for his communist leanings, which is a fact.

    In the church communism is heresy. That is a fact. Ideologues like Ron just throw out names when the obvious shortcomings of Supply side or Trickle down economics is looked at realistically.
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    When you have a near financial collapse brought on by Conservative policies such as 2008 and you have a House of Representatives controlled by crazies who love the policies that got us into this mess to begin with it is going to be a long slug. Do not worry Ron. What happened in California is going to spread across the nation. In a few short years the Republican party is going to lose the power to mess things up. Reasonable men and women who live in reality will come together and fix this mess created by the ideas that you and Ronald Reagan love. The reality is that Supply Side economics do not work. Eventually they will be discarded. It is not a question of if but when and how much suffering do we want to go thru first.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:48 am on Thu, Dec 19, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    BTW Ron Portal - just saw a clip of Sarah Palin on Bill O'Reilly's show shouting, "We've got to stop worshiping Ronald Reagan!"

    She trashed poor Ronnie. Things are really bad when this TEA Party darling has issues with Reagan.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:33 am on Thu, Dec 19, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    With each succeeding letter, Ron Portal's fantasy world and re-writing of history becomes more and more bizarre.

    Jobs? Ask Congress - that is the House, who have failed more than once to take up the president's plan. Their plan? OBSTRUCTION.

    Open borders? Under the Obama administration, more illegals have been deported than in any other administration. Just saw Jorge Ramos, longtime Univision anchor being interviewed. He specifically named Obama's deportations as something "Hispanics will not forget at election time."

    The Reagan era was filled with tax cuts for the wealthy, increased military spending in order to achieve Reagan's dream of ending communism, deficit spending (increased the debt from 900 billion to 2.7 trillion), high interest rates - remember home loans were up to 12 and 15 percent under Reagan?

    All the things that are easily forgotten after 25 or 30 years.

    Bush may have called Reagan's supply side/trickle down theories "voodoo economics" when he was running against him, but he certainly continued to follow them when he "inherited" Reagan's presidency.

    Major reason why Bush senior got booted for a second term.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:48 am on Thu, Dec 19, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    If you really want to light the fuse of an Opologist, compare Barack Obama's economic performance with that of Ronald Reagan. The incontrovertible truth: One program for recovery worked, and the other hasn't.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/05/05/reaganomics-vs-obamanomics-facts-and-figures/

     

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