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Posted: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:00 pm

I am a member of the Interfaith Council of San Joaquin. It is my passion to promote understanding of all religious traditions practiced by all persons of faith.

I am a Buddhist and if you understand Buddhism, you would know that I am an atheist. If you understood Buddhism you would understand that It would be very un-buddhistic to complain or resent or find offense in the use of the word "God." In so doing I would be disrespectful of your spiritual path; your path is yours and mine is mine.

I tried to make my way through all 314 blog responses to "God is part of our America" and found I could not, but in all that I did read, no one person made the suggestion which I propose now: We do not need "God" awareness in our schools, we need religion. We need to teach religious thought to our children in an all encompassing and compassionate manner. Not to proselytize, but to educate and nourish human spiritual nature. Start with the beliefs of the pagans and progress in a respectful manner through the main tenets of every faith. Learn where faiths are the same; learn why and where there are differences.

I suppose there is a parent reading my proposal who will feel threatened that his/her child would be exposed to and might find attractive a religious thought not of that parent's liking.

Gently, I propose such a person take a breath and check from where that emotion is emanating. Is it from the love of their higher being or is it fear of the unknown? Further, I suggest, as a parent myself, that there is no better time to have a real conversation with your child about why you have chosen your path and what fulfillment it brings to your life. Nothing a child learns in school will have as great an impact as you and your daily actions.

In my opinion and experience, knowledge and understanding of other religious traditions brings individual conviction that my own spiritual path is the right one for me and the path of my friends is the right one for them. Accepting our differences does not dilute my faith. It makes me an American.

Gloria Morisaki

Lodi

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1000 comments:

  • posted at 4:05 pm on Fri, Mar 14, 2008.

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    Somehow I can't picture green beer. Guess you have to be Irish. Maybe it's the thought of when it comes back up!

     
  • posted at 3:55 pm on Fri, Mar 14, 2008.

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    nylodian, my niece lives in NY city. I know it is a HUGE celebration. I am also glad to hear the main event for you is on Monday. ENJOY !!!!

     
  • posted at 3:34 pm on Fri, Mar 14, 2008.

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    nylodian it's my last chance to watch those cute butts in tight pants. Other than the Pro-Bowl and I rarely watch it.

     
  • posted at 2:47 pm on Fri, Mar 14, 2008.

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    sam and OTH: I haven't been into the Super Bowl as much since I left California and since the 49ers never seem to be in it anymore. :p

     
  • posted at 2:46 pm on Fri, Mar 14, 2008.

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    sam and OTH; I married an Irishman so everyday feels like St. Patty;s ha ha. Seriously, it is a BIG deal where we live. They are having the parades this weekend but are celebrating St. Patty's as usual Monday the 17th. The bars are opening at 10, with the green beer and corn beef sandwiches. All the bars and restaurants are handing out shamrock beads already and many places are decked out with lit shamrocks and green lights.

     
  • posted at 12:13 pm on Fri, Mar 14, 2008.

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    nylodian, when is New York celebrating St Patty's day?

    Tomorrow or Monday?

     
  • posted at 12:12 pm on Fri, Mar 14, 2008.

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    OK, watch the news.

    St Patty's Day was moved to Saturday by the Catholic Church. Even the ST Pat's Day masses are being said tomorrow.

    Some cities are protesting it. Sorry, but there is ONLY one ST P's Day... and that is March 17th.

     
  • posted at 11:34 am on Fri, Mar 14, 2008.

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    nylodian I don't know how it would affect church other than people skipping church to prepare for the festivities. It didn't make a whole lot of sense to me either. Maybe they had to cook the pasta. LOL

     
  • posted at 9:22 am on Fri, Mar 14, 2008.

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    OTH I never heard of that either. But I don't doubt it.

    Nylodian, Super Bowl is a weekend event for us. We start on Friday. We get the competitive juices flowing with Trivial Pursuit, Cranium, Pictionary, etc., then who can make the best meal, the best snack, etc.

    I love having grown kids who love football as much as I do.

     
  • posted at 9:16 am on Fri, Mar 14, 2008.

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    OTH: I wasn't aware of that. How would the Super Bowl interfere when most services are in the morning? Silly stuff.

     
  • posted at 8:43 am on Fri, Mar 14, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:33 PM:

    WY - I applaud your superior abilities. You are the first one to be able to cause 'he who shall not be named' to actually whimper about not being 'allowed' to say anything").

    "whimper"? your phunny giraldo. just pointing out the hypocrisy in here. as you can tell, when i know i am right, NO ONE slows me down.

    not even your inflated ego

     
  • posted at 8:39 am on Fri, Mar 14, 2008.

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    OTH wrote on Mar 13, 2008 8:22 PM:

    " Really flaky I cussed you out? Can you name one profanity I used"?).

    you said ....a$$hole

    your getting old. memory loss ?

     
  • posted at 6:54 am on Fri, Mar 14, 2008.

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    WY the churches also complained about Super Bowl Sunday. They wanted it changed to a Sat. Don't know why the complaint it was played in the afternoon. Go figure.

     
  • posted at 6:17 am on Fri, Mar 14, 2008.

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    Changing St. Patrick's Day is just plain goofy.

     
  • posted at 4:47 am on Fri, Mar 14, 2008.

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    WY, I kid you not. They tried but I do think the Irish lasses and laddies are going to allow it.

    read it here

    http://www.apples4theteacher.com/holidays/st-patricks-day/when-is-st-patricks-day.html

     
  • posted at 4:03 am on Fri, Mar 14, 2008.

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    Come on Move StPatty's Day???? Well then... What would this Wild Irish Girl do? Why was Easter moved to March? Come on. Who is messing with the calender?

    Isn't that just like the Pope, Ya don't go move'n St.Patty's Day.

     
  • posted at 6:34 pm on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    WY, Nelly Furtado:

    We forgot about love
    We forgot about faith
    We forgot about trust
    We forgot about us

     
  • posted at 6:30 pm on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    WY, sounds like we need to burn some cds.
    What I meant was your timing was perfect, and your quote was heartfelt. The perfect comment with Holy week coming.

    Seriously, did you know that the Catholic Church tried to move St Pat's Day this year to this Saturday so it would not fall during Holy Week? D'em Irish just don't want to move their day. I had to laugh.

     
  • posted at 6:07 pm on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    Sam... Not mine, "Third Day" It's very beautiful when in song. I'll get it to you. :)

     
  • posted at 5:49 pm on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    girard7 AMEN

     
  • posted at 5:20 pm on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    WY, very nice.

     
  • posted at 5:18 pm on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    "Your love oh Lord reaches to the heavens,
    Your faithfulness stretches to the skies....
    Your rightiousness is like the mighty mountain...
    And your justice flows like the ocean's tides...
    An I will lift my high voice to worship you my King.
    An I will find my high strength in the shadows of Your wings..."

    Peace be with all of you as we draw near to Holy Week.

     
  • posted at 4:33 pm on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    Someone stated, 'i suppose it's ok for all of your "friends" to say whatever they want about me all day long, but i can't say anything?'

    WY - I applaud your superior abilities. You are the first one to be able to cause 'he who shall not be named' to actually whimper about not being 'allowed' to say anything.

    Absolutely NOTHING has been able to shut-up this being from uttering everything from sheer lies to utter filth.

    Yet you, WY, have been able to fracture this imbecile.

    You, WY, are my hero!!

    This blog is now officially 'over'!

     
  • posted at 3:23 pm on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    Really flaky I cussed you out? Can you name one profanity I used?

    You senile fool you no longer know fact from fiction.

    Maybe you were in the middle of a vision. They can fit you with a canvas wrap around tuxedo.

     
  • posted at 2:58 pm on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    WY: i suppose it's ok for all of your "friends" to say whatever they want about me all day long, but i can't say anything?

    they say nasty stuff about me, including your current friend OTH.
    she has cussed me out twice in here.

    OTH took her usual chicken swipe and run at me, because she is nasty. i just gave her what she deserved when one does that to me. you would too WY if people did that to you.

    like i said, someday you are going to have to pick truth over "people".

     
  • posted at 2:51 pm on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    the Holy Trinity is monotheistic

     
  • posted at 10:48 am on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    WY no big, I was teasing you. No if it's got drooble on it you keep it. LOL

    Monkey drooble doesn't sound very appealing? Specially if it's thick and syrupy. LMAO

    Glad you decided to take a break from this, it's good for ones mental health. Besides with all the monkeys and wienerdogs you've got your hands full.

     
  • posted at 10:42 am on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    girard74 does the word psychotic come to mind?

    He tap dances out of everything he is confronted with. The man is a bully, a liar and a coward. If you stuck a pin in him he would fly around the room like a balloon. I have no fear of him.

    Maybe one or two posts on this board and I am gone. He can talk to himself all he wants to.

    As I've said before when he and Brian show up on a blog, it's done, all over.

    Thank you for your concern I do appreciate it.

     
  • posted at 10:32 am on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    The weiner dog was playing fetch with the monkey. It has drooble on it. You stiil want it back all slobbery and what not?

     
  • posted at 10:30 am on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    OTH... not cheery. You read me wrong . I think it's sad he would take pleaseure. Though I think you'd pass with flying colors. :) I really am passing on this read most days. I am so far behind. I just caught that nasty comment about your judgement. I should have typed. wow instead of WOW sorry. no pleasure.

     
  • posted at 9:56 am on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    girard: if you don't mind, I'd like to add to your advice: don't feed the trolls - a blog is a terrible thing to waste. ;)

     
  • posted at 9:06 am on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    Popper wrote, 'Religious people scare me.'

    I can't say that I blame you; much of what you have read here and a common conception that religious people are zealots rightfully support your fears.

    Aside from the militant factions that exist in just about every organized religion, there are those who simply believe what they believe and encourage others to believe as well. That 'encouragement', wrongly placed, often times comes across as over-bearing, self-righteous, accusatory and condemning.

    Simply ignore them. Follow your heart.

     
  • posted at 9:05 am on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    And......isnt a holy trinity polythiestic???

     
  • posted at 9:00 am on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    Religious people scare me........

     
  • posted at 8:35 am on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    girard: pay no attention to girard.

    girard is used to passing himself off as something that he eventually is not. he's is a just a little miffed still that i revealed the true him.

    anybody that says lodian "never" lied in these boards, is an integrity washout

     
  • posted at 8:29 am on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    ("OTH wrote on Mar 13, 2008 12:36 PM:
    You call the Big Man down here right now, today. We will stand side by side and we will see what he thinks.

    I told you a long time ago I had made my peace with God").

    you made your "peace"...assigning-God-a-backseat-in-your-life-maybe

    boy would i ever love that..(standing-before-God-right-now). there isn't anything just about right now that i wouldn't welcome more. i would love to see the look on the "busloads" faces when confronted over the things i have said in here.

    don't worry OTH. you will get a "replay" of these events on your day

     
  • posted at 8:24 am on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    OTH - I know you know what you're getting into here. As you know there is a certain someone who has no compunction against deceiving, lying, accusing and basically just being a 'thug' wrapping him/herself in some sort of Biblical cloak. Ive never seen anything like it.

    'Stubborn' doesn't come close to defining this type of aberrant behavior. Anti-social has been the only label that I have been able to find that adequately applies here.

    Continued Good Wishes!

     
  • posted at 7:36 am on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    RF talking trash is usually how I talk to garbage.

    Since you have set yourself up as God's one person hit squad let's do this. I can't tell them to hold ticket for you as I don't know who you are.

    You call the Big Man down here right now, today. We will stand side by side and we will see what he thinks.

    I told you a long time ago I had made my peace with God. So as I have told you before put up or shut up.

    And now the tap dancing begins. It's your choice.

    .

     
  • posted at 7:23 am on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    WY you don't have to be so cheery about it. You can have the pocorn and candy concession Okay?

     
  • posted at 6:53 am on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    WY wrote on Mar 13, 2008 8:13 AM:

    " "Ring side sets to Oth's judgement"

    WOW").

    maybe she will think twice about talking trash to me again.

    these people say all kinds of garbage about me, and expect me to say nothing.

    NOPE. someone says something about me, they are going to get something in return. maybe someday they will understand....you don't talk to me or about me, everything will be cool in here. i already warned them about this

     
  • posted at 4:21 am on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    HEY WY I can't find my remote this morning. Has your damn monkey got another one? If he does that's okey.

    I want my Maypo!

     
  • posted at 3:13 am on Thu, Mar 13, 2008.

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    "Ring side sets to Oth's judgement"

    WOW

     
  • posted at 5:44 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    OTH: do me a favor. can you guarantee some ring side seats at your judgement?

    see if you can leave them at will call. i am curious as to the look on your face then.

    i used to smoke some bad stuff years and years ago, but i decided God needed me to have a clear head so that i can see you for what you 'aren't'.

    aren't you a little old to be so mad at God? pretty soon, you will see him, and he won't care how much you weigh, but he will care about your black-heart

     
  • posted at 4:35 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Last one out turn out the lights. What's left is going to glow in the dark anyway.

    The dark is where he belongs and where he shall dwell.

    Any visions lately vision dude?From all the gibberish it sounds like it. Either that or you're smoking some bad sh*t.

     
  • posted at 4:30 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    just so you know i am not afraid of what i say, and i don't run and hide from my words, i OWN them.....here it is front and center. i own my words. you guys run and hide BECAUSE you lie
    **************************************
    lodian wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:30 AM:
    Also, I missed you at the LNS yesterday. What happened?

    real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:49 AM:
    you didn't miss me....i was there.

    real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 9:45 PM: "i was there my little adversaries....IN-EMAIL-FORM "

     
  • posted at 4:21 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:58 PM:

    "real facts is also "Brian")>

    before i go lodian, i must put your new paramour on the hook to see if his devotion to you is still strong. you have to make sure BEFORE you commit to the apt thing...

    girard, lodian is lying about me being brian, and REFUSES to ask leonard. i think i know the answer, but do you approve of this lie, and approve of her NOT finding out the truth by asking leonard.

    i know the answer, but i needed to make sure your still on the hook for lying-FOR-lodian

     
  • posted at 4:15 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:50 PM:

    "real facts: All people mentioned in girards post pick truth over you").

    not Gods truth they don't.

    the only "truth" they pick, is thier manufactured version of truth, that suits thier liberal mindset.

    the ONLY truth that matters, is what God says IS truth.

     
  • posted at 4:11 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    ("Lodian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:01 PM:
    real facts: Why should I ask Leonard anything about you being Brian? Oh, I see, you are hoping he will say you are not Brian. But when sam told you I was not real_facts that wasn't good enough").

    why? a person of integrity WOULD ask, so they can find out the truth. leonard doesn't like me, so he would be telling the truth.

    you prefer to lie, then to adjust to truth....thats WHY you-won't-ask-leonard

    sam lied about it and "tried" to cover you to get me to shut up. it didn't work.

     
  • posted at 4:05 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:55 PM:

    "
    real facts: You're a liar. Will God forgive you"?).

    nope. i NEVER lied ONCE.

    thats YOUR disease.

    God forgives people that sin. but people that sin on purpose day after day comitting the same sin without conscience (like you), stand outside Gods forgiveness.

    seems somewhere along the line you keep thinking you can lie without conscience, and call yourself a "Christian". you must have purchased your "faith" at the galt swap meet, because "someone" lied to you, and said you can lie and call yourself a "Christian"

     
  • posted at 4:01 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Good bye

     
  • posted at 4:01 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    real facts: Why should I ask Leonard anything about you being Brian? Oh, I see, you are hoping he will say you are not Brian. But when sam told you I was not real_facts that wasn't good enough for a non-Christian like you. You are a hypocite. Duh

     
  • posted at 3:58 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    real facts is also "Brian" and a...

    1. fake
    2. fraud
    3. liar

    You are not a Christian and you do not believe in God, period.

     
  • posted at 3:57 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:51 PM:

    " real facts wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:50 PM:
    "lodian, are you afraid to ask leonard if i am brian? of course you are"

    I am extremely capable of making up my own mind and seeing the evidence in front of me. Why? Does it bother you that I know who you are, Brian/realfacts").

    it doesn't bother me you lie, it's your soul to lose.

    whats your "capable" of is lying about it, then attempting to run away FROM the truth, by refusing to ask leonard.

    you would rather KEEP lying

     
  • posted at 3:56 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    More of real facts' lies....

    lodian wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:30 AM:
    Also, I missed you at the LNS yesterday. What happened?

    real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:49 AM:
    you didn't miss me....i was there.

    girard74 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:31 PM:
    "Real Facts - Actually, please regale us about the specifics regarding your recent visit to the Lodi News-Sentinel.

    real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:34 PM:
    " i e-mailed them "
    "

     
  • posted at 3:55 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    real facts: You're a liar. Will God forgive you?

     
  • posted at 3:54 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:47 PM:
    " real facts: "i swear by everything i am, on Gods honor, i DID NOT lie"

    The reason you are able to post this is because you do not believe in God and you are not a Christian, period. Good luck with that one").

    nope. the reason i CAN swear by it, is because i actually AM a Christian. whereas YOU are a phony, and could care less what God thinks, and lie without conscience.

    look at your latest lie, that you KNOW your lying about ....(me being brian).

     
  • posted at 3:53 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    real facts: How's WY?

     
  • posted at 3:53 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    More of real facts' lies....

    lodian wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:30 AM:
    Also, I missed you at the LNS yesterday. What happened?

    real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:49 AM:
    you didn't miss me....i was there.

    girard74 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:31 PM:
    "Real Facts - Actually, please regale us about the specifics regarding your recent visit to the Lodi News-Sentinel.

    real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:34 PM:
    " i e-mailed them "

     
  • posted at 3:51 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    real facts wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:50 PM:
    "lodian, are you afraid to ask leonard if i am brian? of course you are"

    I am extremely capable of making up my own mind and seeing the evidence in front of me. Why? Does it bother you that I know who you are, Brian/realfacts?

     
  • posted at 3:50 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    real facts: All people mentioned in girards post pick truth over you. Deal with it. You're not a Christian.

     
  • posted at 3:50 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    lodian, are you afraid to ask leonard if i am brian? of course you are

    you always scream your a woman of integrity, so ask him. instead of lying about it, ask him.

    because you won't ask him, it PROVES your a liar

     
  • posted at 3:48 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    I like that... "hit list".

     
  • posted at 3:47 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    real facts: "i swear by everything i am, on Gods honor, i DID NOT lie"

    The reason you are able to post this is because you do not believe in God and you are not a Christian, period. Good luck with that one.

     
  • posted at 3:47 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:40 PM:

    Oh, and it's not Lodian, sam, Leonard, OTH, NYLodian, or ICU").

    nice company you keep girard. your "hit list" of preferred company shows your lack of integrity again.

    but because i am good at seperating people from their words, i was right about you, based alone on your "list".

    your just another in the wide river of life, that picks "people" over truth and God

     
  • posted at 3:45 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    real facts wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:42 PM:
    "lodian: isn't it interesting how in over (1) year that i have been in here, NO ONE has EVER caught me lying. EVER."

    That's because nobody cares about you or your silly little game. No one respects you or what you say, not even when you post as Brian. It's been amusing, but it's time to move on.

     
  • posted at 3:42 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    "It's time to end this silly little 'game.'"

    Right again, girard!

     
  • posted at 3:42 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    lodian: isn't it interesting how in over (1) year that i have been in here, NO ONE has EVER caught me lying. EVER.

    tons (including you) have accused me of it nearly every day in an attempt to discredit me, but NO PROOF.

    i cannot imagine your disapointment thinking you no had me. what a buumer that must be.

    but it's not like you don't have company in the sewer. giarard lives there now too (unless he repents).

    i swear by everything i am, on Gods honor, i DID NOT lie.

    i am NOT like you and girard. i CHOOSE integrity

     
  • posted at 3:41 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Wow - nothing that was stated since the last time I expressed my enjoyment of silence deserves any kind of response whatsoever.

    If any of this was at all important, which it certainly is not, a first-grader could easily identify the absolute stupidity and moral bankruptcy of one certain individual who posts here more than he/she should. Oh, and it's not Lodian, sam, Leonard, OTH, NYLodian, or ICU.

    The entertainment value of this particular blog has finally worn itself out.

    It's time to end this silly little 'game.'

    After the most recent remarks, I have finally decided to close this window and move on.

     
  • posted at 3:40 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    real facts:
    "P.S. can we get an apt soon?"

    You see, you have your mind in the gutter. You're not a Christian.

     
  • posted at 3:39 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    "...and then admit it."

    Never happened. Think again.

     
  • posted at 3:37 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    real facts wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:27 PM: "lodian, with you and girard having such a love fest, did you two go shopping for an apt today? it's the logical conclusion"

    Ya, it's in the same complex you and WY are renting. What a dork. Sure, you're a Christian, and I'm the Queen of Sheba.

     
  • posted at 3:37 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:30 PM:

    " Real facts: With all the posts (hundreds!) and exchanges here all you came up with to call me a liar was a "guess"").

    nope. i copy and pasted YOUR WORDS in thier entirety, everytime you lied.

    "real_facts" was a guess at first, until proved it by watching you slip, and then admit it.

    your so blatantly bad at it, it doesn't even take an expert at proving stuff like this, to see how obvious/frequent you do it.

    don't worry, girard LOVES your lying, and supports you 100%

     
  • posted at 3:31 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 2:05 PM:

    " Lodian I believe that you are aware of exactly how I feel regarding your integrity, are you not? I further believe that I have not been at all ambivalent in stating just how much I believe in what you write or 'say.' If, for whatever reason, you are in doubt, please let me know. Thanks").

    thats girard code for.....lodian, i know you lie, but it's ok because i lie too. even when you lie, don't worry, i will ALWAYS back your lying....love, girard. P.S. can we get an apt soon?

     
  • posted at 3:30 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Real facts: With all the posts (hundreds!) and exchanges here all you came up with to call me a liar was a "guess" and a few commonly used words to threaten and stalk me for months here. Now, when you are clearly shown where you are a huge liar, in black and white, you run and deflect and make up all kinds of reasons why you LIED! Sorry, DUDE, no more running and hiding from your lies. There have been many lies coming from you, but this was within just a couple of posts and so blatant. You're losing your touch...fast! Your lies are easy to see now. You used to be better at hiding them. But then of course we werent running around looking for people to call liars like you. Now, the people of integrity here are on to you and you have no way out, but to lie againand you will.

     
  • posted at 3:27 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    lodian, with you and girard having such a love fest, did you two go shopping for an apt today?

    it's the logical conclusion

     
  • posted at 3:26 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:21 PM:

    " real facts 8:11 PM: You're scared of little ol' me").

    not scraed of anyone, just smart.

    setting legal precedence in case your inflated "fruitcake" ever decides to wander off blog, and into the public sphere.

    knowing what a liar you are, even though you said you wouldn't, i am MORE than prepared.

    scared of you? thats a joke

     
  • posted at 3:23 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    lodian said: So you see your stated task, as trying to make sure you discredit me, is futile. No one here believes a word you say").

    "no one" that actually cares about the authority of God, thats for sure. discrediting you is easy. your a pathetic liar. watch this...
    **********************************
    Lodian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 2:13 PM:

    " girard74: Oh, I definitely have the correct e-mail address AND the correct IP Address
    ****************************************
    Lodian wrote on Mar 11, 2008 6:38 AM:

    "If you want me to email you then you'll have to give me your email address. "

     
  • posted at 3:21 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    real facts 8:11 PM: You're scared of little ol' me.

     
  • posted at 3:11 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    lodian: you and sam's idle veiled threats don't move me an inch.

    threaten and insinuate all you want. anybody that makes a move toward me off of these blogs, i will make sure you pay a heavy price for doing so.

     
  • posted at 3:08 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 2:13 PM:

    " girard74: Oh, I definitely have the correct e-mail address AND the correct IP Address for such exciting travel. Thanks a ton!

    i thought you said you didn't know my e-mail address? of course you lied again.

    gee i am scared. you said you would "NEVER reveal who i am off of these blogs" because of your "integrity". well we know you lie without conscience, so who knows.

    so a little career advice; what you get away with in these blogs is different than what you "think" you can do outside them......move-in-the-wrong-direction-outside-of-them---and-you-will-pay-dearly....i-promise

     
  • posted at 3:02 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 2:19 PM:

    " real facts: Are you a criminal? "

    i am staring at this quote for a couple of minutes thinking of how i can respond to it, and i got nothing

    your such a bizzare fruitcake, i am speechless on this one

     
  • posted at 2:59 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 2:16 PM:
    After all, I am truthful. So whats to worry about? Its just this little gnat that keeps buzzing around").

    if your truthful, then i am elvis.

    "So whats to worry about"? spoken like a true "ain't" that has no conscience toward God. you lie daily, so it's obvious you "think" there is nothing to worry about.


    not a gnat, but a "flyswatter" that makes sure the flies in the room don't spread disease

     
  • posted at 2:53 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 2:24 PM:

    " real facts: You lied and everyone saw it. You cannot escape it or explain it away. You plain and simply, without an ounce of integrity, LIED. You know you lied and then lied about lying. Will God forgive you").

    what everyone saw was your attempt at turning it into a lie. i can imagine your excitement when you "thought" you caught me doing what now defines who you are.

    nope. i didn't lie. i should have been more specific about what i meant, but i didn't lie. didn't even think about it,...so-there-wasn't-any-deception-involved-either,.... i-just-typed-it-and-moved-on.....i-told-you-i-don't-lie-like-you...bummer-huh?

     
  • posted at 2:21 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    girard74 I like your travel plans. What about those of us who may be a little to stout to fit in a USB port?

     
  • posted at 2:18 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Ahhhh, the sound of 'silence.'

     
  • posted at 9:34 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Lodian - I, for one, am waiting here with bated breath just waiting for the next revelation to come across this magic screen from 'he who shall not be named'. I haven't slept a wink because I am so excited. I would think you would be too. I am so disappointed in you.

     
  • posted at 9:31 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Lodian - How dare you!!! Without this guy's sage advice, you and I would have never discovered just how easy it is to attend a meeting, funeral, class, barber appointment, etc., etc., simply by inserting ourselves into our USB port or DVD/CD drive. You should be ashamed of yourself!!!

     
  • posted at 9:27 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    real facts: That little guy, in the red devil suit on your shoulder, gets the better of you every time. I can see your head cocked to one side as you listen intently to what he asks of you. And you listen and obey with ease. Do you have regret? Will God forgive your sins?

     
  • posted at 9:25 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    real facts: You lied and everyone saw it. You cannot escape it or explain it away. You plain and simply, without an ounce of integrity, LIED. You know you lied and then lied about lying. Will God forgive you?

     
  • posted at 9:23 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    "Ahhh, life is soooo good!!!"

    Now, that's for sure! :-)

     
  • posted at 9:21 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    real facts: You lied. And it was a big one....

    lodian wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:30 AM:
    Also, I missed you at the LNS yesterday. What happened?

    real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:49 AM:
    you didn't miss me....i was there.

    girard74 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:31 PM:
    "Real Facts - Actually, please regale us about the specifics regarding your recent visit to the Lodi News-Sentinel.

    real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:34 PM:
    " i e-mailed them "

     
  • posted at 9:19 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Lodian - Yeah, technology is great!! And to think, up until yesterday I was completely unaware that this kind of travel was possible. Had it not been for a 'friend' of mine with integrity above reproach I would have never believed I could travel so freely, easily and cheaply.

    Imagine, I never need to 'fly' again. No more security checkpoints; no more sitting in between fat guys on Southwest; no more 'peanut' meals on a five-hour flight. Sheer, unadulterated blissful, instantaneous travel. Ahhh, life is soooo good.!!!

     
  • posted at 9:19 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    real facts: Are you a criminal?

     
  • posted at 9:16 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    girard74 2:05 PM: Thanks, Girard, I certainly do appreciate it. Never a doubt! After all, I am truthful. So whats to worry about? Its just this little gnat that keeps buzzing around that can sometimes be a bit annoying. Other than that, live is grand!

     
  • posted at 9:13 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    girard74: Oh, I definitely have the correct e-mail address AND the correct IP Address for such exciting travel. Thanks a ton!

     
  • posted at 9:11 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    real facts: You don't need anyone else to discredit you. You have been able to accomplish that task all on your own. You can thank yourself for the bad reputation you have here now. No one respects you or thinks you have anything to do with being a Christian or the love of God. So you see your stated task, as trying to make sure you discredit me, is futile. No one here believes a word you say. You have no credibility. Do you understand that you are wasting your time here with your sin-digger ways.

     
  • posted at 9:11 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote, ''girard74: Cool! Way to travel! I need to try that as soon as possible. Maybe tonight.'

    It is cool. But you've got to be careful. Make sure you have the correct e-mail address AND the correct IP Address. You don't want to show up somewhere 'uninvited.' You could pop in on an embarrassing situation.

    Also, make sure you dress appropriately for your destination. I hear that is one of the biggest problems; folks don't realize that only two seconds away the temperature could be 30 degrees colder and perhaps in a blizzard. Good cyber-traveling tips!! Bon voyage!!

     
  • posted at 9:07 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    girard74: Cool! Way to travel! I need to try that as soon as possible. Maybe tonight.

     
  • posted at 9:05 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Lodian I believe that you are aware of exactly how I feel regarding your integrity, are you not? I further believe that I have not been at all ambivalent in stating just how much I believe in what you write or 'say.' If, for whatever reason, you are in doubt, please let me know. Thanks.

     
  • posted at 8:53 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    girard: DON'T give lodian any more ideas FOR lying, she is already a serial liar.

    and you, you are already an accessory to HER crime.

    i guess my speech on you meeting God soon, fell on deaf ears. maybe you don't have any conscience either? guess i was wrong about you.

    repeat after me....."i girard think lodian is the cream of the crop when it comes to integrity. i girard don't believe lodian has EVER lied in these blogs, nor have i"

     
  • posted at 8:47 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 10:22 AM:

    " RF also correctly repeated, 'girard74 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 1:38 AM:

    " Lodian is not a liar").

    oh i correctly repeated it alright.

    i want to make sure everyone knows you flushed your integrity, by lying about lodian's repeated lying.

    this post is the nail in your integrity coffin. you know you don't have to lie girard.....IT'S A CHOICE

    i don't even bother thinking lodian will ever repent, she has absolutely ZERO conscience about lying. i just prove that she is, when she does.

    you girard actually have a chance at repentance

     
  • posted at 8:45 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Lodian - Hi!! I just now returned from Fort Benning, Georgia where I visited my son this morning. I woke up, played around on the computer and thought today would be a good day for a cyber-visit.

    This time, however, instead of the USB port, which isn't very practical for me, I decided to try the DVD/CD drive. Wow!! What a difference. The transition into the cabling and over the WWW was so much smoother. Coming back was a bit more difficult because my son only had a generic CD drive; I didn't use it; opting for the USB port instead.

     
  • posted at 8:41 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:13 PM:

    " Lodian - you are absolutely correct. Since I became ill nearly two years ago").

    you would think that with your set of circumstances, and your "mortality" staring you straight in the face, that you would be shoring up your integrity, knowing you are going to meet your maker soon...

    instead, you flush it into the sewer because of me.

    your latest heinous act, comparing me to lucifer.

    step away from the computer girard, and work on getting your integrity back.

    it's only a short time before you meet HIM

     
  • posted at 8:36 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:08 PM:

    Yep, I need others. Unlike real facts as he state he needs no one").

    yep, still at it.

    it's pathetic to watch you two trying to come up with ANYTHING to discredit who i am. pathetically rediculous

    i stated i needed "no one" to back me up in taking you two clowns on. i NEVER said i needed no one in my life to love or have a realtionship with. of course-you-twist-everything-into-a-lie

    as usual, you two clowns try and debase me into your sewer.

    if you only knew he i was, your tongue(s) would split

     
  • posted at 7:48 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Even God knew that Adam needed Eve.

     
  • posted at 7:46 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    girard74: It sure looks like a deliberate act with real facts choosing to push people away. I would die without the love around me. I guess that's why some people die shortly after their spouse dies. They just miss them so much and need that other person in their life.

     
  • posted at 7:42 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    ( ): Welcome to the boards. :-)

     
  • posted at 7:13 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Lodian - you are absolutely correct. Since I became ill nearly two years ago, I've become more and more isolated. I've had to learn how to 'live' again with the new changes physically and mentally that I have experienced.

    I've learned, with great difficulty, that I was not meant to be 'alone.' I find it hard to comprehend why anyone would choose such a life. Yet, it appears to me that by behaving in the way that he does, he truly 'is' choosing to push people away; to be left alone. Very sad.

     
  • posted at 7:08 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    girard74: Geez, I see that he's still at it. I guess I might be miserable too if I didn't have so much love in my life. Yep, I need others. Unlike real facts as he state he needs no one. I don't think God made us that way. We need each other, our fellow man, and in many ways. I believe it is a lost and broken soul that state he doesn't need anyone.

     
  • posted at 6:26 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    RF wrote, 'i switched the capitalization around, but no truer words have been spoken by you.'

    Switching the capitalization doesn't change the truth; just as how you twist peoples' words and distort the truth doesn't make you an honest person.

    I am hopeful that things will slow down and this particular blog will cease. I know that I am guilty of prolonging it's incredibly necessary death. But I'm slowing down here as well.

    Soon, I am certain, it will be just you talking to yourself. And this will be right - because 'you' are the only one who believes 'you'.

     
  • posted at 6:18 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    ditto

     
  • posted at 6:15 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    "are you going to sit in the front, or the back? "

    No need to save me a seat. I am here briefly for a family visit and tying up some loose ends.

    Enjoy !

     
  • posted at 5:22 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    girard74, your 1:26 am blog was perfect.

    Spoken like a true Christian.

     
  • posted at 5:22 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    RF also correctly repeated, 'girard74 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 1:38 AM:

    " Lodian is not a liar. "'

    That's two in a row. Perhaps he's learning something.

     
  • posted at 5:20 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    RF correctly stated, 'your (sic) right, i (sic) just make things up.'

    Finally, some truth for a change.

     
  • posted at 5:19 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 1:38 AM:

    " Lodian is not a liar. "

     
  • posted at 5:18 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    ( ) wrote on Mar 12, 2008 10:06 AM:

    VisionDude has shown he cannot answer even the basic questions asked of Christians").

    lying right away. gee i am surprised.

    girard's a little mad because i embarrassed him by giving him an answer he couldn't defend against.

    you see, girard eschews the bibles authority over man. girard wants to nueter Gods word, and make it his own.

    girard doesn't like it that he gets exposed

     
  • posted at 5:13 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    lookie here, we have another member of the "busload". been awhile since we added a new member. ( ) are you going to sit in the front, or the back?

    your right, i just make things up.

    is that you sam? you went mysteriously missing after you threatened to "track me".

    anyway, welcome to the sewer. make yourself comfortable. you have plenty of "swimmates"

     
  • posted at 5:09 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:04 AM:

    Clearly, his God is not my god. "

    i switched the capitalization around, but no truer words have been spoken by you. "My God" doesn't swim in the sewer called lying without conscience.

    "your god" tells you it is more than acceptable to lie, once your position becomes weak

     
  • posted at 5:06 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    "He's just a sin-digger. If he can't find a sin then he'll make one up and run with it. He's a fake, a liar and oh so fearful. I even think he hates God. "
    Well said, Lodian.

    VisionDude has shown he cannot answer even the basic questions asked of Christians. When he cannot answer, he starts his name calling. He has no Integrity, no honesty, no knowledge, and no soul. He is not worth your time.

     
  • posted at 5:05 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:57 AM:

    Our little guy here, brazenly accusing others of lying and deceit, with absolutely no evidence, is caught red-handed lying himself").

    "brazenly"? "no evidence"? there is no brazen about it. i don't have to go out on a "limb" to accuse you two of lying, you two lie like it's acceptable behavior. evidence----->lodian lies about "knowing me", and then you cover for her (lying).

    you only wish you had caught me lying. now you have relegated yourself to lying about that.

    500 posts by you later girard, and you still can't change the-truth

     
  • posted at 4:04 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    At least Spitzer has been convinced that he cannot continue. Yet, I don't believe he came to that conclusion on his own. No, I submit that had he not been counseled by more even-tempered, level-thinking people who firmly advised him correctly to resign, he would have continued to believe that he could remain in office and unabashedly would have led the State of New York into chaos.

    Our deluded friend here, refusing sensible counsel, will continue with his crusade actually believing that he is effective with his false accusations in the eyes of his god.

    Clearly, his god is not my God.

     
  • posted at 3:57 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Lodian - I'm stunned at the parallels between what has been going on here compared with the recent behavior revealed about the governor of New York.

    Governor Spitzer's arrogance and belief that he was above the law has been his own undoing. For years, this guy has railed against people with an attitude that he, himself, could do no wrong.

    Our little guy here, brazenly accusing others of lying and deceit, with absolutely no evidence, is caught red-handed lying himself; yet so full of pride and arrogance that he continues his crusade believing (falsely) that he will get away with it.

    Absolutely unbelievable!!

     
  • posted at 2:37 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    RF - A minor examination of you would reveal a '666' masked as a birth-mark and there would be no way to avoid detecting that ten-inch-wide yellow streak running down the middle of your back.

     
  • posted at 1:26 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    My description of you will be spot on!! From how I would identify you, there would be no one, NO ONE, who couldn't pick you out of a line up anywhere on the face of the planet.

     
  • posted at 1:11 am on Wed, Mar 12, 2008.

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    Real Facts - I know EXACTLY what you look like.

     
  • posted at 9:19 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    lodian: tomorrow you will have to tell the board what i look like, they are dying to know.

    you said IN THIS BLOG you met me before, so that means you know what i look like.

    now we all know now, you lied about it.

    and we all know now, that girard has fully comitted to lying FOR you.

    two-fer-one-deal

    watch. those two will lie again tomorrow. it's who they are now

     
  • posted at 9:13 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 2:02 AM:

    " Real Facts - I suggest we meet in person").

    a guy that lies like you do, and twists what i say, i want to meet in person?

    NO THANKS.

    before i do that, i will go to michael vicks house with a slab of ribs tied around my neck.

    i don't hang around people like you for a very good reason. "pretending" sometimes spills over into different kinds of pretending.

    lodian is probably ready to get an apt with you though. maybe you can "meet" her. you two deserve each other

     
  • posted at 9:06 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    what about the meeting girard?

    i already explained it. i didn't lie

    you have to lie about that too. it's all you have reduced yourself to.

    whats interesting, is your statement that lodian never lies. that one will haunt your life.

    where is the "proof" she said she knows what i look like?

    your the liar girard. otherwise you would have displayed where she did.

    tomorrow i will be in here, watching you flush your integrity down the sewer again.

    it's who you are now

     
  • posted at 9:04 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    real facts: You need to have faith.

     
  • posted at 9:02 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Real Facts - I suggest we meet in person.

     
  • posted at 9:01 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    irard74 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 1:46 AM:

    " I'm not going to argue with you on this one. Your heart and mind is slammed shut. You did mention the word 'designer' - and yet, you can't look at what's around you and quickly decide WHO designed it?

    girard, i know your in a state of desperation, but don't twist my words again. your a pathetic excuse for a man that you would resort to this.

    i NEVER said or implicated that.
    i PURPOSEFULLY used the word designer for that reason, that one can look and see someone designed it.

    you lie-AND-twist

     
  • posted at 9:00 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    RF - I'll ask this again.

    What about the lies you told today about the 'meeting' you said that you attended?

    I really want to 'hear' this again.

     
  • posted at 9:00 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Good night girard74. You've posted some great things here tonight. Talk to you later.

    Night

     
  • posted at 8:59 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    If he believes he is happy now, that happiness is coming from another source other than God. His behavior bears that out.

     
  • posted at 8:58 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74: Maybe real facts' mother never showed him the beauty of a butterfly or the magnificence in a rainbow as a child. Maybe his father never cherished him as a boy or helped him appreciate the sunrise on a weekend fishing trip. Maybe he never looked into the eyes of his newborn as the child gazed up at him. Maybe he has just never been happy.

     
  • posted at 8:56 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    I'll pray for you RF, or whoever you are. That's all I can do.

     
  • posted at 8:56 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    nope lodian. remember my promise to you?

    i told you whenever you DO lie, i am going to point it out, so that NO ONE can get the idea that someone can be a Christian and lie without conscience, like you do

    if you didn't lie, i wouldn't have to spend countless hours showing where you did....and showing how girard does it too

     
  • posted at 8:55 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Thanks Lodian. Many folks have tunnel-vision. They 'see' what they want to see.

    And usually I'm okay with that. I am not okay with people accusing others of things that are either not true or that cannot be proven to be true. We're somewhat anonymous here, yet we do put ourselves 'out' there without the expectation of being bullied around like this 'person' does. It is frustrating; although I know he's absolutely harmless.

    Good night, Lodian.

     
  • posted at 8:52 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 1:41 AM:

    " RF - I'm sad for you. There is no greater proof of God's existence than the world that He created for us. You're blinded by your hatred and pride").

    once again girard, you are "pretending" you know what you are talking about.

    Gods creation points to a "designer". the word of God solidifies that design as being from God. shows his handprints throught history.

    God values his eternal word, ABOVE his creation of the world.

    why do you think it says "heaven and earth will pass away, but my WORDS never will"?

     
  • posted at 8:50 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    real facts: You are so concerned with finding lies in posts on a message board that you don't let yourself know God. How unfortunate for you dear.

     
  • posted at 8:48 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74: real facts just cannot understand. He doesn't look at things that way. He can't be a Christian. He can't love God. His heart seems so dark. He looks for the bad and relishes in finding sin while ignoring his own. It's no wander he cannot understand what you just explained.... which was beautiful by the way.

     
  • posted at 8:46 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    I'm not going to argue with you on this one. Your heart and mind is slammed shut. You did mention the word 'designer' - and yet, you can't look at what's around you and quickly decide WHO designed it?

    Are you really that dense?

    How do you think people who never saw a Bible determined that there was a God?

    They opened their eyes!!

    Yours are slammed shut.

     
  • posted at 8:43 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 1:38 AM:

    " Lodian is not a liar. "

    keep saying that. your flushing your integrity over someone that lies without conscience.

    only a complete fool would say that.

    your a pretty resourceful guy girard, maybe you can show me where lodian posted what i looked like. she said she did. find it for me and you will bail both of your trash out of the garbage.

    you just lied for her, and for yourself all because of me.

     
  • posted at 8:42 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    And actually, RF, you failed the test. I already advised you of your grade.

     
  • posted at 8:41 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    RF - I'm sad for you. There is no greater proof of God's existence than the world that He created for us. You're blinded by your hatred and pride.

    I told you that it would be simple. I also told you that you needed to seek counsel with your pastor or spiritual advisor.

    But you have claimed all along that you know enough about everything - you don't need any advice or counsel.

    That's a big chip on your shoulder; perhaps God will find a way to knock it off.

     
  • posted at 8:38 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard: thats your big build up? your "test" that you have been screaming about was encased in that?

    that isn't "PROOF". thats a base from which to start, but it isn't actual proof.

    you asked me to provide proof. i did it the same way God did it, and does it. actual defensible proof.

    thru your "proof" the best you can do is demonstrate the possiblity of a designer. the proof i provided demonstrates the designer PROVING to his creation that he exists.

     
  • posted at 8:38 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Lodian is not a liar.

     
  • posted at 8:36 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    real facts: A Christian you are not.

     
  • posted at 8:35 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    The next step is to simply read the first sentence in Genesis. Then we've got a whole book ahead to guide us through the rest.

     
  • posted at 8:31 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 1:20 AM:

    " LOL... Nooooo, real facts. You'll need to get your red-tailed rear out of this one on your own. No copying off my paper. Cheater! LOL").

    lodain, that makes it 3 times tonight (at least) that you lied. you lied about it being "easy" for you, and you couldn't do it yourself.

    once again, your a pathetic liar

     
  • posted at 8:26 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    ("girard74 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:38 AM: Any person who cannot 'prove' to me that God exists other than to say that 'God gets his "due"' doesn't have a positive relationship with God").

    any person that has to pull one thing i said, out of a blog full of explanation in order to discredit me is a bottom feeder. congradulations girard, your now a bottom feeder.

    that comment i made about "God getting his due" was an excerpt out of alot of things i said. in CONTEXT, God DOES get his "due" via HIM backing up his-own-word......you-purposefully-lied-about-me-and-purposefully-twisted-my-words...because-now-you-can't-defend-against-me-otherwise

     
  • posted at 8:26 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    I hope you can read this.

    When asked by a non-believer, Is there a God, one would think that the answer would be very easy to answer. Amazingly, however, when anyone actually starts to think about it, it becomes quite humorous because it just doesnt roll off of our tongues. We can point to the part in Scripture where the proof of Jesus is revealed to us and we accept it as fact, because we, as Christians, believe what the Bible says. Proving God, however, appears to be a daunting task. It is really quite easy.

    I heard this from an older man many years ago when I was in Germany with the Air Force. Ive never forgotten it  it answered the question for me without question. This is not exactly as he told it to me, but when I've answered that question the few times it was asked of me, I was able to convey the meaning.

    To wonder about the existence of God, one merely needs to open their eyes. Each and every one of us has something in our lives that is very special to them, a pet, a parent, a child, etc.

    All we have to do is look at that special thing and ask the question, Is this here by chance? The answer must always be a resounding no. We are not here by accident. The creation of a world that supplies each and every one of our physical needs - food, clothing, food, companionship  cannot possibly be by happenstance.  Even with all of the advancements in technology, we havent been able to replicate the blood that runs through our veins. There are limits to everything we do. Yet, just by observing our surroundings, it becomes apparent that there is no limit to what happens completely out of our control. No scientist, doctor, genius, or any learned person has ever been able to explain this.

    This leaves one inescapable conclusion  there MUST be something greater than we are that controls nature. The planets dont orbit the sun simply because it happens. Sure, science can explain the chemical makeup of things and why things react they way that they do in our limited intellect. But they cannot explain the bigger picture  why?

    The answer comes down to simply accepting that if we are not in control; something else must be. Since we are provided with everything we need here to live our lives, it only stands to reason that whoever or whatever is in control must be benevolent. Therefore, there certainly must be a God.

     
  • posted at 8:24 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    It's official. Real facts can't possibly be a Christian. I wonder if he ever was a Chriatina.

     
  • posted at 8:22 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74: He is really stumped! I think I had this one down when I was an itty bitty little girl.

     
  • posted at 8:20 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    LOL... Nooooo, real facts. You'll need to get your red-tailed rear out of this one on your own. No copying off my paper. Cheater! LOL

     
  • posted at 8:17 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 1:10 AM:

    " girard74 1:07 AM: The answer is so clear and so pure. A Christian would have answered in 2 seconds").

    really? i bet you can't answer it, and won't.

    your so pathetically full of it.

    your a "Christian" right lodian? lets see you answer it.

    you won't.

    plus your still lying about saying what i look like. i notice how you copy and pasted what you thought was me lying, but you can't point me to where you said you know what i look like?

    your a pathetic liar.

    prove God exists lodian

     
  • posted at 8:17 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    It's amazing. The answer completely escapes him.

     
  • posted at 8:12 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    real facts wrote on Mar 10, 2008 12:31 AM: i dunno girard, maybe the recordation of God performing miracles throught history, the archaelogical proof of those recordations/miracles, the fullfilment of over 300 +/- prophecies of Jesus Christ, the resurrection of Jesus Christ AFTER he claimed he was God, the scientific proofs and the centuries long list of God doing exactly what he said he would do.......that isn't enough "proof" for you?
    **************************************

    i didn't provide any "proof" huh girard?

    your the liar

     
  • posted at 8:10 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74 1:07 AM: The answer is so clear and so pure. A Christian would have answered in 2 seconds.

     
  • posted at 8:07 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    real facts 1:04 AM: Already answered. Look for yourself. Do your own work. You seem to be blacking out.

     
  • posted at 8:07 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    The actual answer is coming. At this time, only Lodian will understand it; I have no faith that RF will accept its meaning.

    Time will tell.

     
  • posted at 8:06 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Here is the answer that I would have expected from you.

    If you, as a Christian, were puzzled by the question and weren't sure of the answer, you would have simply asked me to reveal the answer to you.

    Instead, you railed against me. Called me a heretic and continued to call me a liar; I've never lied to you.

    A Christian easily and humbly admits that they do not know everything.

    Christians do not accuse people of things that are not true.

    Christians admit when they've made mistakes. They are not afraid to make mistakes.

    You rejected the question as heresy.

    You failed.

     
  • posted at 8:06 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    "gee, the giant of integrity creates an imaginary test in his head that even he can't qualify. i asked him to, and he skated from it and now blames me. let's see YOU prove God?"

    Geez, that's lame even for you real facts.

     
  • posted at 8:05 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:57 AM:

    "since the proof i DID provide isn't good enough for you, that proves your an "ain't". only "ain'ts" reject that as proof").

    what proof? where is it? you didn't post anywhere where you described what i look like.

    you lie, then you lie you did. two -fer-one deal .

    where did you post what i look like?

     
  • posted at 8:03 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Playing the drum roll for girard....

     
  • posted at 8:03 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Oh my! He's a Christian (so he says) and he can't answer the question??? Wow!

     
  • posted at 8:01 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    i failed a test you created? given your lame ability to twist things around, i am not disappointed in myself for failing your "test". i would have "failed it", had i not answered it, and you had actually explained what your getting at. your a wuss, so you don't

    gee, the giant of integrity creates an imaginary test in his head that even he can't qualify. i asked him to, and he skated from it and now blames me.

    let's see YOU prove God?

     
  • posted at 8:01 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Well, on second thought... we might be here till... well, you know what freezes over.

     
  • posted at 8:00 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74: No, keep him guessing a little longer. He needs to answer the question.

     
  • posted at 7:59 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    RF said, 'since the proof i DID provide isn't good enough for you, that proves your an "ain't".'

    'God gets his "due"' is not proof. No one, even a true believer, would accept that statement as evidence of the existence of God.

    You failed the test.

    Now comes the answer.

     
  • posted at 7:58 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    "been fooling yourself since 1973 huh"

    What! real facts is a hacker??? Shame on you.

     
  • posted at 7:57 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    real facts: You must be talking to yourself, as these words fit you perfectly...

    "since the proof i DID provide isn't good enough for you, that proves your an "ain't". only "ain'ts" reject that as proof."

     
  • posted at 7:54 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:48 AM:

    " You were very quick to inform me that Lucifer is the father of lies. Yet you cannot provide proof that God exists").

    since the proof i DID provide isn't good enough for you, that proves your an "ain't".

    only "ain'ts" reject that as proof.

    been fooling yourself since 1973 huh? no wonder you don't "like" me so much, and LOVE lodians lying

    are you a fool enough to say you can't prove God exists to someone?

     
  • posted at 7:54 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    RF falsely state, i did. and you continue to lie that i didn't.

    You you did not. 'God gets his "due"' is not proof of the existence of God.

    You know more about Satan than you do about the God that you summon when you proclaim innocent people liars and heretics.

    You do NOT know God. That is truth. There is no possible way that you can know Him. Even during the relative calm of last night, you failed in this one small test. Why?

     
  • posted at 7:53 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    real facts: Here is your clear and deliberate lie in action...

    -------

    lodian wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:30 AM:
    Also, I missed you at the LNS yesterday. What happened?

    real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:49 AM:
    you didn't miss me....i was there.

    girard74 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:31 PM:
    "Real Facts - Actually, please regale us about the specifics regarding your recent visit to the Lodi News-Sentinel.

    real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:34 PM:
    " i e-mailed them "

     
  • posted at 7:52 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:48 AM:
    "You were very quick to inform me that Lucifer is the father of lies. Yet you cannot provide proof that God exists."

    Wow, girard! You're right! He did answer that with a lightning fast response and he still hasn't answered your question about God from LAST NIGHT!

     
  • posted at 7:50 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:41 AM:

    " You keep using His authority and continue to condemn others in His name!! If you've got this so-called righteousness that the rest of us are absent, why can't you prove that He exists"?).

    i did. and you continue to lie that i didn't. you can do it for all the future blogs your lying tongue will last. i did it....and-your-lying-i-didn't

    now, you are skating out of taking me to task on it....because-you-can't

    i condemn your sin. you bet i do. i am supposed to, so that others can't lie and call themselves-Christians-either

     
  • posted at 7:50 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    real facts: Here is your clear and deliberate lie in action...

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    lodian wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:30 AM:
    Also, I missed you at the LNS yesterday. What happened?

    real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:49 AM:
    you didn't miss me....i was there.

    girard74 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:31 PM:
    "Real Facts - Actually, please regale us about the specifics regarding your recent visit to the Lodi News-Sentinel.

    real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:34 PM:
    " i e-mailed them "

     
  • posted at 7:48 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    You were very quick to inform me that Lucifer is the father of lies. Yet you cannot provide proof that God exists.

    You are evil.

     
  • posted at 7:47 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    "lucifer is the FATHER of lies"

    Indeed.

     
  • posted at 7:46 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    lucifer is the FATHER of lies.

    So, just how many children do YOU have?

     
  • posted at 7:46 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74 12:45 AM: Well said. I agree.

     
  • posted at 7:45 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:39 AM:

    So, you can lie about going to the LNS, but I answer your question, with dead on accuracy.")

    you wish i lied about it, but i am PURPOSEFULLY not a liar like you.

    you answered my question with "dead on accuracy"? are you on hallucenigenic meds? you never even answered it at all.

    what do i look like?

    you won't answer it, because you can't, because your a pathological liar.

    girard LOVES your lying pathology. he encourgaes for you to do it more. speaking of lucifer, lucifer is the FATHER of lies

     
  • posted at 7:45 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    You ARE either Satan himself or you are absolutely nothing. Those are the only two choices here based upon your behavior. Even though this forum is detached from our human 'selves' I can still sense evil when it's surrounding me. And every time I read your posts, I sense evil. You are a very vile, despicable thing.

     
  • posted at 7:42 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    You keep using His authority and continue to condemn others in His name!! If you've got this so-called righteousness that the rest of us are absent, why can't you prove that He exists?

    Why?

     
  • posted at 7:40 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Then why couldn't you prove that God exists?!?

     
  • posted at 7:39 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard: your inflated ego is writing checks your mind can't cash. i knew that about you in a short period of time

    your lucky i did graduate high school.
    because even if i dropped out of 4th grade, taking you to task intellectually and spiritually is a walk in the park considering your own willingness to flush your own integrity.

    i am really good at this....but even I didn't expect you to fall off of the integrity meter that fast.

    actually, you "beat" yourself. you can't even blame jethro....laughing

     
  • posted at 7:39 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    real facts wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:34 AM:
    "lodian: since you can't describe me, that proves your lying."

    How do you figure? So, you can lie about going to the LNS, but I answer your question, with dead on accuracy, and you still call me a liar? I am disappointed in you, dude with visions. LOL. I'm good at this, huh? You really give this stuff up too easily.

     
  • posted at 7:38 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    It must be you. Any person who calls themself a Christian and treats others in the way that you do, must be from the nether regions.

    Any person who cannot 'prove' to me that God exists other than to say that 'God gets his "due"' doesn't have a positive relationship with God.

    Who are you, Real Facts, Jethro, Lucifer? Who are you?

     
  • posted at 7:36 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Oh, you don't like the name 'Jethro?' Would a name like, 'Lucifer' be better for you? That's a good name, isn't it? Is it really you, Lucifer? Are you there, Lucifer? Are you trying to speak to me, Lucifer?

     
  • posted at 7:34 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    lodian: since you can't describe me, that proves your lying.

    girard loves your lying. i think girard actually ripped those passages out of his bible that condemn lying.

    how else can he continue to support you, when even "jethro" could tell you are lying (laughing)

     
  • posted at 7:34 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    You really believe that you've outwitted me intellectually - you really do believe that.

    Well, Jethro, since you believe it, it must be true. Because if everyone else is wrong, as you say they are, that makes you always right. You cannot be wrong. Is that what you would like for us to believe? Really?

     
  • posted at 7:31 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    good girard, call me jethro. at least jethro HAD integrity, and wouldn't lie if his life depended on it.

    i will take integrity over a formal edumacation any day.

    yours somehow backfired and inflated your head.

    your even flourishing in the "continuing education" of sewer systems, and their effect on the human heart.

    it must bother you that a guy like me can take you to task intellectually with half my brian tied behind my back.

    this saturday, SELL your "formal education" in your garage sale. it is only hurting you

     
  • posted at 7:31 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    real facts wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:24 AM:
    "why don't you tell them who i am..."

    You don't know who you are? So sorry.

    Hey, I know I would go bankrupt if I tried to be a liar for a living. You got that right. LOL

    "so lodian, you met me....what do i look like?"

    Well, you have a forked tongue, red tail and horns. How'd I do? ;-)

     
  • posted at 7:30 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    What do you look like? You could be the twin-brother to Jethro Bodine - that's what you look like.

    I was wrong before when I said he was short, pudgy with a bad complexion and thick glasses. But he does have a breathalyzer in his pocket protector in his shirt pocket.

    Otherwise, he is the spittin' image of Jethro hisself. He's a double knot spy!!

     
  • posted at 7:24 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:20 AM:
    I wouldn't mind you addressing me in person so the whole town could see who you are, but you'll never come out of the woodwork").

    why don't you tell them who i am, since you have met me and know who i am (laughing).

    your a pathetic liar. some people are actually good at it, and make a living at it. if you tried, you would go bankrupt within a couple of hours (laughing).

    so lodian, you met me....what do i look like?

     
  • posted at 7:24 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    I would never have guessed that you had anything above a 6th grade diploma (like Jethro Bodine). Wow!! They actually hand out diplomas to people with no brains?

    In fact, I'm going to call you 'Jethro' for now on. Yup, you ARE a Jethro!!

    Thankfully, Jethro, I didn't go to school in California - what a school system!

     
  • posted at 7:21 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:15 AM:

    " Actually, the correct term is sociopath. RF is a sociopath; and he's an idiot to boot").

    now my feelings are hurt. i am a sensitive guy ya know.

    your just a little miffed that a guy with a high school edumacation and half his brain tied behind his back had enough "cubes" (as you would say), to take on your game, and prove to the board just what kind of guy you really "aren't".

    actually YOU did it. i just held up the mirror.

    gonna blame me for that to i bet

     
  • posted at 7:20 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    RF - I've already explained to you my level of trust in what Lodian says. Scroll down about a mile and you'll find it. Your continuous and monotonous rant has been boring too many of us for too long.

     
  • posted at 7:20 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    real facts: Hon, I really don't care what you do or what you think. If you say I lie, fine. Think whatever you choose. It's American, dude! I do care that you get some help, as you are a child of God. And that's it. I wouldn't mind you addressing me in person so the whole town could see who you are, but you'll never come out of the woodwork. You just sit behind the computer lying to all you come in contact with, just for relief of your fear and pain. Play on...

     
  • posted at 7:18 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    RF correctly stated, 'then i don't have to take out any more trash.'

    From where I sit and from what I've read over the past few weeks, RF, where you're going, they burn the trash. No need to take it to the curb anymore.

     
  • posted at 7:17 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Lodian said, 'Shall we call it cyber-visiting?'

    Congratulations, RF. You've been instrumental in coining a new ism - cyber-visiting. See, you HAVE accomplished something.

     
  • posted at 7:16 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    "balance out in the end"?

    do they ever girard. can't wait for that day to come. then i don't have to take out any more trash. that day can't come soon enough.

    speaking of "balance", your integrity flushing co-hort just gave herself up to her lying about pulling "dude" out of thin air.

    lied about meeting me in public before, and knows who i am. thats twice

    am i to assume girard that you APPROVE of these lies also?

    ever notice how i use her, to keep you on the hook for YOUR integrity flushing.

    no one makes you do it girard

     
  • posted at 7:15 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74: Oh ya, you asked me where I had been this evening. Well, I was at the police department (know half the people there) and had a nice little visit. I shot right out of my email and was really in the room! It was cool! I didn't even use any gas for this visit. Shall we call it cyber-visiting? :-)

     
  • posted at 7:15 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Actually, the correct term is sociopath. RF is a sociopath; and he's an idiot to boot.

     
  • posted at 7:12 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Lodian - he is nothing but an idiot - nothing more; nothing less. That's all he is.

     
  • posted at 7:11 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74: The guy just posts the same thing over and over. It's sort of weird....like he's stuck or something. Ya know, like the old LP's when the needle got stuck. :-)

     
  • posted at 7:11 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Lodian : i guess that about wraps up your lying for tonight.

    NOPE. you NEVER DID explain how you pulled "dude" out of thin air. you lied about it though, by claiming you got lucky, and "dude" is a common name.

    your a sick person lodian. all you ever eventually do IS lie.

    you also lied about meeting me before, yet you can't describe my physical features? you can't answer that question, because obviously your a liar.

    your not even good at it. you see me busting you everytime you do, yet your too lame to even hide it

     
  • posted at 7:10 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    RF asked, 'remember when you threatened to get me kicked out, because you knew someone at the LNS? how is that progressing girard?'

    Remember your meeting at the LNS, Real Facts, when you crawled through your computer (was it through the USB port?) and then through the cable with your e-mail between your teeth to deliver to the boys at the paper? Tight squeeze, huh?

    Actually, RF, I don't know why they continue to allow your presence here. I notified them; they chose to do what they chose to do (or not).

    Things balance out in the end, don't you think?

     
  • posted at 7:05 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    real facts: I just read your last few posts. I have already answered most of your questions more than once. It is up to you to read the answers, dude.

     
  • posted at 7:03 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    real facts: Stop lying.

     
  • posted at 7:03 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:49 PM:
    I didnt even read all of his posts tonight. Its just same ol same ol).

    which is another lie.

    you will read this....or you will lie you didn't....how did you pull "dude" out of thin air? explain that.

    plus you lied about meeting me before. to prove your a liar, explain my physical features.

    because you won't answer either question, PROVES your lying again.

    girard will flush his integrity again, so as to high five your lying again

     
  • posted at 6:59 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:49 PM:

    So broken that he is lashing out at everyone else").

    poor me. i am so "broken" (laughing).

    if you only knew who i was. i am known for "loving" many people, and them loving and respecting me

    which in turn, solidifies your an "ain't" because i DO have integrity

     
  • posted at 6:51 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    real facts: Do you love anyone?

     
  • posted at 6:49 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74: This guy looks for the bad in others and will make things up if he can't twist something already posted. We, on the other hand, continue to engage him because we feel like there has got to be a human being in there someone with a sliver of good left in him. We try to see the good and can't let go, as it is just unbelievable to us that a man can be this hateful, lost and broken. So broken that he is lashing out at everyone else. Its sad. I have gone from wanting to kick him in the rear to wanting to meet him for Bible study, with another buddy with me of course. Im not stupid. He could certainly be violent or something. That is evident from his angry, stalking posts. Well, what to do. Like you said. Well just let him burn out. I didnt even read all of his posts tonight. Its just same ol same ol.

     
  • posted at 6:46 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    ICU : good. so long as you understand the words "actionable illegal activity".

     
  • posted at 6:43 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    nope lodian. i don't have any of the 'ailments' you wished i had. my truth about you is based ON the truth. you just lie about me "hating God" so as to deflect your lying tongue.

    speaking of lying tongue.....you just pulled "dude" out of thin air eh? let's see how squeeze out of that one.

     
  • posted at 6:41 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    real facts: Do you love anyone?

     
  • posted at 6:40 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74: I think you hit the nail right on the head in an earlier post. real facts is full of fear. I think he hates God for some reason. Something very severe must have happened to him for him to be this hateful and eager to point out sins, real or imaginary.

     
  • posted at 6:39 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    no wonder you and lodian get along.

    you both have imaginary friends in your head, telling you something that isn't possible.

    there is a support group for you two somewhere around here.

    nope girard, i will be here tomorrow...stronger than ever.

    remember when you threatened to get me kicked out, because you knew someone at the LNS? how is that progressing girard?

     
  • posted at 6:37 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    real facts: You look to be already wallowing in the sewer. Why do you enjoy it so much? Did you lose someone you love and now hate God for it? Were you abused and now are filled with hate for God and others? Your scars obviously run deep and your all-consuming fear is eating you up inside. Stop hating God and start to heal. You think you are alone. Reach out.

     
  • posted at 6:37 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    See, just like I said. He's slowing down now - burning out. Flame's going down, down, down. Ahh, just the ashes are left.

    Rest in Peace, RF, Rest in Peace! Ye Shall be Missed.

     
  • posted at 6:36 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:27 PM:

    " RF - this isn't about ME; it's about YOU").

    of course not girard. your inflated ego took you straight into delusion land.

    girard, i have some bad news for your delusion...i am NOT done in here....i am just getting started. if you choose to be an ongoing fool, than i will be in here EVERYDAY exposing you

    or you CAN make it about "you"....and repent

    you probably won't do that. your ego and delusion is falling off of the integrity chart

     
  • posted at 6:35 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    See, just like I said. He's slowing down now - burning out. Flame's going down, down, down. Ahh, just the ashes are left.

    Rest in Peace, RF, Rest in Peace! Ye Shall be Missed.

     
  • posted at 6:31 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    poor girard. flushed his integrity clear down the sewer, all over the false bravado ego trip he went on, "thinking" he was going to be the naysayers "savior".

    now look at him. flailing all over the board in desperation to get me to join him in the sewer. you can try until your ego explodes...it stil won't happen.

    just think girard, you don't HAVE TO swim in the sewer. but if you still choose to, no matter how much you dream of me joining you, it won't happen.

    take solace in already having company (lodian)

     
  • posted at 6:28 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Lodian - it's got to be something that's caused him to be so disturbed. He's done now. There's nothing left but the continuing rant. He'll burn himself out.

    (Oh, I know he'll come back with the sewer, lies, blah, blah, blah)

     
  • posted at 6:27 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    RF - this isn't about ME; it's about YOU.

     
  • posted at 6:26 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74: I don't think real facts will ever understand how good people can actually "care" about another human being. He's just a sin-digger. If he can't find a sin then he'll make one up and run with it. He's a fake, a liar and oh so fearful. I even think he hates God. Maybe something awful happened to him and he can't stand Christians and places blame on God for his troubles.

     
  • posted at 6:26 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    you didn't miss me....i was there.

    There is no possible way to interpret 'i was there' other than to believe that you were actually, physically there. It can't even be attributed to a typographical error. It's plain as day.

    No one EVER equates 'i was there' to 'i emailed them.' NO ONE!! This is an impossibility - there is no room for any other interpretation.

    Do you really want to rest your 'reputation' and 'salvation' on this pathetic lie?

     
  • posted at 6:25 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74 10:20 PM: Super post! Thanks a ton!

     
  • posted at 6:24 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard; you have firmly placed your self in the integrity sewer. thats now a FACT. you refuse to turn away from your lying, and your lying about lodian.

    but dreaming that you can get me to join you and lodian in the sewer, your just going to have to keep dreaming.

    your going to lie about me everyday, i get that. it's what you have become now. so if you are that committed to the sewer, i will be here everyday to take out your integrity trash.

    lying daily about me just INSURES you stay in the sewer

     
  • posted at 6:19 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    RF - I know I don't really need to do this - you know your own deceptions, but here goes -

    lodian wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:30 AM:
    Also, I missed you at the LNS yesterday. What happened?

    real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:49 AM:
    you didn't miss me....i was there.

    girard74 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:31 PM:
    "Real Facts - Actually, please regale us about the specifics regarding your recent visit to the Lodi News-Sentinel.

    real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:34 PM:
    " i e-mailed them "

    Too hard to follow along?

     
  • posted at 6:19 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:13 PM:

    " RF - just so I understand. Things that you 'say' are not necessarily things that you 'mean?' Is that how all of this works").

    nope. the one time i didn't explain exactly what i did, does not mean i play word games like you. i can see where you would have thought i meant i went there physically. reading it, you should have interpreted it that way. i would have, i would have done the same thing to you guys.....but it's not what i meant. next time-i-will-be-exactly-specific

     
  • posted at 6:17 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    RF - Just how can you live with yourself? This is just getting sillier and sillier. Do you really believe if you tell a story so incredibly unbelievable, that by telling it over and over again, you'll get ANYONE to believe it? Sorry, chump, not a chance.

     
  • posted at 6:14 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:55 PM:

    " Sorry, Real Facts, your lies, deceit, fibbing, whatever you want to call them have already been identified and now, by your own words, verified.

    Not gonna play no more!! But you are entertaining").

    sure your not, it's what you have been "promising" for days...but 6 more posts of you later...

    i noticed how you chickened out of "listing" my lies. people that lie, NEVER provide proof. on the other hand, i spend countless hours proving YOUR lies, by copying and pasting your OWN words.

    as usual because you "aren't"....you lied again

     
  • posted at 6:13 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    RF - just so I understand. Things that you 'say' are not necessarily things that you 'mean?' Is that how all of this works.

    When you state that you were at a meeting, when you really were not at a meeting; and after being questioned about your absence you state that you 'e-mailed' your thoughts, we're supposed to understand that you really were not at the meeting; and what really happened was that you were at the meeting, only you showed up via e-mail. Question how did you fit through the computer cable?

    Is that it?

     
  • posted at 6:09 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:01 PM:
    By the way, I noticed that you didn't swear on your salvation on this one. Wise decision!").

    i swear on my salvation, thats what i meant. everything i am in front of God, thats what i meant.

    no feel free to lie about it, so you can try and soothe your conscience about lying.

    you HAVE to try and drag me into the sewer with you. now that you and lodian swim there, "misery" loves company. but you never will.

    you "measuring" others peoples integrity? PUKE. your allegiance to lodian alone .......proves-you-flushed-your-integrity-down-the-sewer

     
  • posted at 6:07 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    RF - oh, c'mon now. You've got to cease with this sad commentary.

    Look, it's over guy. There's nothing left. You've run your course and if you feel good about it, then that's up to you.

    Now, pick up your ball and glove, turn around, and go home. Playtime is over.

    It's time for grown-ups to discuss more serious issues - you can't handle this stuff yet. Maybe in 15 years or so.

    Sleep tight; watch out for those bedbugs!!

     
  • posted at 6:03 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:58 PM:

    " RF wrote, 'i am NOT like you two'

    And thank God that you're not!! If I were anything like you, I'd demand a lobotomy, and quick!!).

    you opted for the integrity lobotomy a long time ago.

    need evidence of that? no problem, as you provided some tonight.

    i asked you about lodian specifically lying about not knowing my e-mail, and her "claiming" she pulled half of it out of thin air.

    not only didn't you NOT condemn her lying, you demonstrated COMPLETE allegiance to her, including her lying.

    YOUR AN INTEGRITY FAILURE GIRARD

     
  • posted at 6:03 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    RF asks, 'ever seen me afraid of anything in here?'

    You're giving me so much material; I simply cannot help myself! You've got to stop it!!

    Afraid?!? With every keystroke you reveal your fear and your pathetic insecurity. Each phrase and sentence (if you can call them sentences) speaks volumes!!

     
  • posted at 6:03 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    ICU I had a friend once. He had visions. They came and fitted him with this snazzy tuxedo that had wrap around arms. Was your vision one of those? :)

     
  • posted at 6:01 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    RF exclaims, 'i SWEAR on my life and reputation, THATS what i meant.'

    Oh, on your life and 'reputation?'

    That reputation you're so proud of isn't worth the used gum on the bottom of my shoe.

    When you began contributing to these blogs, you DID have your reputation. You've squandered it so freely over the course of just a few weeks or perhaps a few months. It's all gone now, RF, all gone.

    By the way, I noticed that you didn't swear on your salvation on this one. Wise decision!

     
  • posted at 5:59 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:34 PM:

    So really, Real Facts - what happened? Where were you? Why didn't you show up?

    there is a difference between being afraid, and being smart. NO ONE is going to know my identity, until i reveal it. "meeting" the guys at LNS doesn't serve any good purpose for me right now.

    e-mailing them about lodian breaking into my e-mail, and sams illegal activity...serves-it's-purpose-for-now.

    ever seen me afraid of anything in here? i am here EVERYDAY, taking on all the "busloads" all by myself....and you, with half my brain tied behind my back

     
  • posted at 5:58 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    RF wrote, 'i am NOT like you two'

    And thank God that you're not!! If I were anything like you, I'd demand a lobotomy, and quick!!

     
  • posted at 5:56 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    RF - your 10:49 post is pathetic. Quit embarrassing yourself - and us.

     
  • posted at 5:55 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Sorry, Real Facts, your lies, deceit, fibbing, whatever you want to call them have already been identified and now, by your own words, verified.

    In fact, I'm in your home right now - in Internet-form!!! Do ya see me?!? ICU!!!

    Not gonna play no more!! But you are entertaining.

     
  • posted at 5:53 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:25 PM:

    " RF wrote about me, 'your just ... a nice guy.'

    Well, thanks - I appreciate that").

    of course your so insecure, that you have to remove MY words, and copy and paste your OWN "high five".

    your now tragically pathetic.

    i see your still lying to the board that i didn't handle my business last night. wanna try again and tell me where i went so wrong? you won't, because your a game playing wuss, that blames others for YOUR insecureties

     
  • posted at 5:49 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    what i said was the truth. when i wrote i was there, thats exactly what i meant (via e-mail). Gods honest truth.

    i SWEAR on my life and reputation, THATS what i meant.

    my mistake was not being specific, so that you guys can't turn it into the same garbage that you spew daily.

    you would LOVE it if you could get me to swim in the same sewer you two do...it ain't never going to happen.

    unlike you two, i don't need to lie

    let your desperation to "get me" rule your imagination. i am NOT like you two

     
  • posted at 5:44 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:16 PM:

    Here you are, caught red-handed, dead-to-rights, undeniably and positively caught in one or your 'infamous' stupid LIES. And you aren't 'MAN' or 'WOMAN' enough to admit it").

    "infamous stupid lies". name one girard. if you call me on lying, bust me where i did. LIST THEM. otherwise YOUR the liar.

    i am a man. not that truth is gender specific.

    i am more than man enough to admit when i am wrong. i don't suffer inflated ego SINdrome like you do. unlike you, i actually fear God if i-were-to-lie

     
  • posted at 5:35 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Hey Lodian!!! I just sent a message to President Bush!! I was actually in the Oval Office - in e-mail form!!! Aren't you impressed?!?!?

    Where did you go today, in e-mail form?!?

     
  • posted at 5:34 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    'i was there my little adversaries....IN-EMAIL-FORM'

    Oh, that is so funny. I haven't stopped laughing since I read that. RF, you ARE a card!!! A real comedian. You belong on the stage, really you do. You're wasting yourself here in Lodi.

    So really, Real Facts - what happened? Where were you? Why didn't you show up? Surely something serious must have happened to keep you away from a meeting where you would be able to PROVE all of these lies that have been going on here.

    Did you get a hang-nail? Please tell us!!!

     
  • posted at 5:25 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    RF wrote about me, 'your just ... a nice guy.'

    Well, thanks - I appreciate that.

    I AM a nice guy. But nice guys don't allow themselves to be manipulated and distorted. As you can read, I did give you ample chance to actually 'learn' something last night. But you were hell bent on proving me wrong, according to your character. For whatever reason, you simply CANNOT ALLOW yourself to be wrong; or perhaps it's just that you cannot allow anyone else to be right. I'm really not certain.

    What I DO know is that you're pathetic - that has been amply demonstrated.

     
  • posted at 5:20 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Regarding Lodian.

    Real Facts - if Lodian told me that the sky was paisley and you told me the sky was blue; and as I look at the sky I actually see a 'blue' sky; I would immediately doubt my own eyes and my own brain and would trust Lodian with every ounce of my being over ANYTHING you say. I would think, damn - for once, a paisley sky and for whatever reason I'm unable to see it.

    Do you understand that?

     
  • posted at 5:16 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    RF - Here it is dawg. None of us are perfect; we've all made mistakes. But YOU - YOU are incredible. Here you are, caught red-handed, dead-to-rights, undeniably and positively caught in one or your 'infamous' stupid LIES. And you aren't 'MAN' or 'WOMAN' enough to admit it. You'd rather try a pathetic, pitiful, explanation (yeah, right) that you were 'there' in 'e-mail form.' Again, Ha Ha!

    See ya later, bubba!!!!

     
  • posted at 5:12 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Real Facts unbelievably said, 'i was there my little adversaries....IN-EMAIL-FORM'

    Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!

     
  • posted at 5:12 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 2:00 PM:

    Last night he simply couldn't get out from behind that proud brain of his to even attempt to discover something that could very well help him".)

    as i demonstrated before, THATS a lie.

    i gave you ample opportunity to "show me" the error of my ways. you wussed out, and now as has been your modus defunctus since i first exposed you for who you REALLY are, now YOUR blaming me.

    i like how you continue to high five yourself for accomplishing zip, and blaming others because you didn't.

    your some...legend-in-your-own-mind

     
  • posted at 5:06 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    lodian is a track proven liar. that woman steps on her tongue daily without conscience. has zero intention of quitting (repenting).

    girard though "might" have a smidgen of chance of getting back his integrity. knowing how good i am at predicting what WILL happen, i bet he continues HIS lying, because right now his ego is too inflated.

    here goes anyway....girard, do you condemn lodian's latest lie that she doesn't know my e-mail address? she claimed she pulled one word ("dude") completely out of thin air, and got "lucky" on my e-mail address.

    you approve of that girard?

     
  • posted at 5:00 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Mar 11, 2008 2:05 PM:

    " He's now thinking up an excuse for his latest lie. Oh brother").

    that would be YOUR sewer you swim in.
    i prefer "fresh water".

    speaking of lying excuses, your lying about "stumbling" onto visiondude. putting two words together, and getting lucky, how dumb do you think people really are ? you-just-pulled-"dude"-out-of-thin-air-and-"accidently"-came-up-with-my-email-address?

    your lying again. you know it's my e-mail address. it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to know those two words and "accidently" put them together.

    your a liar.

    don't worry though, your new "friend" girard will lie FOR you,...by-covering-it-up

     
  • posted at 4:51 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 2:18 PM:

    " Actually, I think he's crying to mommy about all of us ganging up on him").

    what cracks me up girard, is your "claim" of purety and integrity towards me, and then the true you appears in posts like these. i called you hypocrite the first day i knew you were. the pot is still burnt on the bottom.

    your just an arrogant integrity zero disguising yourself as a nice guy, trying to tell me i need to get my house in order.

    you can bring the "busloads" all at once....it's just me,...and-i-NEVER-run

     
  • posted at 4:45 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Mar 11, 2008 2:04 PM:

    " girard74: Yes, it sad. real facts has been dogging/stalking me for months telling me that I am a liar, and that I used a new handle to post scripture, yet he lies and it's no big deal to him. He's such a hypocrite").

    you ARE a liar, and you did have TWO different handles. i tell the truth about your lying......and girards

    i like how the 'integrity giants' were circling me, thinking they had me. thinking if they can catch me, "they" are exhonerated from THEIR sin.

    i was there my little adversaries....IN-EMAIL-FORM

     
  • posted at 3:46 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    ( ) wrote, 'DH'

    Hmmmm, how cryptic. I wonder what this is all about.

     
  • posted at 3:15 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    DH

     
  • posted at 9:20 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74: Let's make sure he remembers the course of events here...

    ---------

    lodian wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:30 AM:
    Also, I missed you at the LNS yesterday. What happened?

    real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:49 AM:
    you didn't miss me....i was there.

    girard74 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:31 PM:
    "Real Facts - Actually, please regale us about the specifics regarding your recent visit to the Lodi News-Sentinel.

    real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:34 PM:
    " i e-mailed them "


     
  • posted at 9:18 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Actually, I think he's crying to mommy about all of us ganging up on him. In true form he won't admit to any wrongdoing; just that we're not playing nice.

     
  • posted at 9:05 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    He's now thinking up an excuse for his latest lie. Oh brother.

     
  • posted at 9:04 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74: Yes, it sad. real facts has been dogging/stalking me for months telling me that I am a liar, and that I used a new handle to post scripture, yet he lies and it's no big deal to him. He's such a hypocrite.

     
  • posted at 9:00 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Lodian - Yes, indeed. RF has stated over and over again about just how good his memory is. He never forgets - iron clad memory.

    His pride, as I've suggested, is his undoing. He probably doesn't think we can read; much less understand the drivel he writes.

    Unfortunately, we 'do' understand and frankly, it's now getting a bit old, even with this latest revelation. Last night he simply couldn't get out from behind that proud brain of his to even attempt to discover something that could very well help him.

    If it's not 'his' thought or 'his' idea, then the thought/idea is worthless.

     
  • posted at 8:54 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    BRB

     
  • posted at 8:53 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Oh, and "dude" is commonly used in California.

     
  • posted at 8:52 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    It looks like others have visions too. LOL

     
  • posted at 8:48 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74 1:43 PM: I caught that lie, by real facts, too.

     
  • posted at 8:47 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    ICU wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:42 PM:
    "I just had a Vision."

    You had a vision? Would you like to share?

     
  • posted at 8:45 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    real facts: I see that you lied, again.

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    lodian wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:30 AM:
    Also, I missed you at the LNS yesterday. What happened?

    real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:49 AM:
    you didn't miss me....i was there.

    girard74 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:31 PM:
    "Real Facts - Actually, please regale us about the specifics regarding your recent visit to the Lodi News-Sentinel.

    real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:34 PM:
    " i e-mailed them "

     
  • posted at 8:45 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    how did you come up with the name "visiondude"?

    i would love to see you squirm out of that one.

    it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to know that name, unless you did what i accused you of.

    your going to go to court with me? thats a joke. your lying tongue wouldn't last 2 minutes in a court of law. they would actually do something about it

     
  • posted at 8:43 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    RF stated, 'you didn't miss me....i was there,' regarding his 'meeting' with the Lodi-News Sentinel.

    He now claims that he 'e-mailed them.'

    What are now left to believe? Could this be one of those phantom 'lies' of which RF has clamored about so vigorously and contentiously for weeks, perhaps months?!

    What has happened to our knight in shining armor? Has he tumbled off of that high horse? Or was he simply kicked to the curb?

    Stay tuned!! He'll try to wriggle out of this one!!

     
  • posted at 8:42 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    I just had a Vision.

     
  • posted at 8:38 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    real facts:

    (1) If you accuse me of illegal activity, which I did not do, then we will meet in court. Then you will see me face to face in a courtroom. All people have the right to face their accuser in a court of law.

    (2) What portion of an email did I use?

    (3) Are you sure? Just an FYI, your email address is not a secret if more than just you have the address.

    P.S. Please feel free to ask Marty and/or Rich contact me at their convenience. They have my contact information.

     
  • posted at 8:34 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    i e-mailed them

     
  • posted at 8:31 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Real Facts - Actually, please regale us about the specifics regarding your recent visit to the Lodi News-Sentinel. We're all very interested to know what was accomplished during this meeting. Please don't keep us hanging!!

     
  • posted at 8:28 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    If real facts went into the LNS, as he said he did, then I look forward to him being told that I did not "hack" into anything. Good deal for me.

     
  • posted at 8:26 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:14 PM:

    " real facts: Its great news that you say you spoke to Marty and Rich. I welcome it. When will we be meeting to discuss this issue?

    You asked, if you don't "know" my e-mail address, how did you get that portion of it?

    What portion are you talking about"?).

    (1) we are never going to "meet". your such a lying fruitcake, who knows what else floats around inside your head.

    (2) the portion of it that you used. NO ONE in this town knows me by that name. and only (3) people have-my-email-address

     
  • posted at 8:16 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Indeed.

     
  • posted at 8:15 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Lodian - this is a guy who absolutely cannot admit that he is wrong about anything.

    That's a very dangerous combination - stupidity, pride and stubbornness.

     
  • posted at 8:14 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    real facts: Its great news that you say you spoke to Marty and Rich. I welcome it. When will we be meeting to discuss this issue?

    You asked, if you don't "know" my e-mail address, how did you get that portion of it?

    What portion are you talking about?

     
  • posted at 8:11 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 12:02 PM: "lodian: why is your handle changed all of a sudden?"

    Hon, its a simple hit on the caps button. Its called silly fun. Ever hear of it? You use caps all the time (in anger) so I am surprised you are unaware of this caps phenomenon. LOL

     
  • posted at 8:09 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    real facts: Do I need to email you personally? That is a question. If you decide to re-post my question, and leave out the question mark, then you are not posting what I said at all. Do I need to type this out with big spaces between the words so you can understand it better? (see there...a question mark)

     
  • posted at 8:07 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Ever notice how real facts always answers a question with another question, instead of giving a real answer?

     
  • posted at 7:37 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Real Facts asked, 'girard: again, are you a mormon?'

    No, I am not a Mormon. Is there a point to this question?

     
  • posted at 7:34 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard: again, are you a mormon?

     
  • posted at 7:34 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    RF - Ok. I suppose that when someone answers a question with the 'wrong' answer, then technically you are correct. You 'did' answer the question.

    However, I attempted to point out to you that your answer was, for lack of a better word, flawed.

    The basis of my question, as you well know, is how to explain to a non-believer the actual existence of God.

    You answered, 'EVENTUALLY God gets his "due" as far as being "real" via his word.'

    So, to be clear, this is how you would respond to someone asking you how 'you' know that God exists. Is this it?

     
  • posted at 7:34 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    lodian:
    whats with the second handle "LoDiAn" ?

    don't tell me your multiple DISorder is taking over again, and now you have inflicted another one on us. are you now going to lie about it not being "you", like you did with "real_facts" and "lee"?

    you still don't get it....i don't miss ANYTHING

     
  • posted at 7:26 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:30 AM:
    How could it mean that I already have your email address when I asked...

    "Do I need to email you personally?"...?

    You like to stretch things to fit your agenda").

    don't need to stretch anything. all i need to do is replicate what you REALLY say/said.

    you said "Do I need to email you personally" as a threat, after you had been playing your little game when you started to mention part of my e-mail address. you said it then, because you had it then.

    once again, your a liar. (gotcha)

     
  • posted at 7:18 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:51 AM:

    The frustration you've directed at me is a direct result of you simply being 'unable' to answer just ONE very simple theological question").

    i did....you just didn't like the answer. when i asked what you were getting at, your "legend in your own mind" took over, and starting playing your little games. i don't play games girard. i get right down to business. no word games, just efficient head straight for the truth deal. now your going to lie, and say i never "did".

    thats how your deal really works

     
  • posted at 7:12 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:51 AM:

    You know very well that I gave you tremendous latitude last night. I should have gone to bed at 8:57 instead of posting what I wrote at 8:58").

    i just puked on my keyboard. you acted like the arrogant fool you always do, by making demands of others, you are unwilling to fulfill yourself. you skated multiple times on questions i asked you.

    "you should have gone to bed"...give me a break. you "should have" been a man, and handled your business, even IF that took all night.

    all sail - no wind

     
  • posted at 7:07 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:37 AM:

    There is nothing more dangerous than a man who refuses to even entertain the idea that he may be wrong about something").

    i never said i couldn't be wrong. i just said i don't need anyones help in dealing with you. don't twist my words girard.

    you whine and cry about nothing.
    i asked you to show me where i am in "error", and you refused. now your lying that i "didn't". your making yourself look like a complete fool, by talking out of BOTH sides of your mouth

     
  • posted at 7:02 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    lodian: why is your handle changed all of a sudden?

    two letters in your handle are now capitalized. did you do something naughty, and tried to come back as the new and improved "you"?

    somethings fishy

     
  • posted at 7:00 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard; as far as your 11:09am post, you wouldn't know if i actually DID know anything, because your ego game playing rediculousness never got off the ground. you were too busy whining about your demands.

    i asked you to try me, and you wussed out.

    as far as me not knowing "richard", i will take on anything you can throw at me, but your too much of a wuss to find out. you try and orchaestrate a converstaion that only suits you. when i turn that into an an equal deal, you run and hide. happens every time

     
  • posted at 6:54 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:42 AM:

    One thing is for sure, I can still inflict a little prick.

    good. then you can do your own tongue-ectomy on yourself. there has to be a tutorial for people wanting to "replace" their tongue.

     
  • posted at 6:51 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Real Facts wrote, '...by sidestepping my questions.'

    You know very well that I gave you tremendous latitude last night. I should have gone to bed at 8:57 instead of posting what I wrote at 8:58.

    The frustration you've directed at me is a direct result of you simply being 'unable' to answer just ONE very simple theological question.

    I really don't like to laugh at anyone, but your 'God gets his "due"' answer really had me rolling!! But then it made me a bit sad because it revealed that you really don't understand; and you're unwilling to learn. Dangerous stuff, RF, dangerous.

     
  • posted at 6:49 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    l("lodian wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:30 AM: Give me your email address and I will email you.

    Also, I missed you at the LNS yesterday. What happened")?

    ok, if you don't "know" my e-mail address, how did you get that portion of it?

    you didn't miss me....i was there. i contacted marty weybret and richard hanner about you hacking into my personal account. i laid it all out there so that they can see it is the ONLY way you could have attained it.

    they know about sam's "dirty pool" as well.

     
  • posted at 6:42 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74: Proverbs 16:18-19...perfect!

     
  • posted at 6:37 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Real Facts, in all seriousness, suffers from enlarged 'PRIDE.' There is nothing more dangerous than a man who refuses to even entertain the idea that he may be wrong about something. Not allowing himself to be corrected and to be shown the proper route almost always results in the prideful man's complete and ultimate destruction.

    Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. It is better to be lowly in spirit with the afflicted than to share the spoils with the proud. Proverbs 16:18-19.

    RF - Read it; learn it; live it.

     
  • posted at 6:27 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74 11:09 AM: LOL! :-)

     
  • posted at 6:09 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    Real Facts wrote, 'girard: blah blah blah.

    Interpretation: I (RF) know everything there is to know about everything. There are no better ideas than those that I put forth. God has entrusted within me the answers for all men. God has also charged me with judging all men; the only evidence that matters is the evidence I wish to consider. Me smart - you stupid.

    Actual interpretation: RF doesn't know dick.

     
  • posted at 5:42 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    real facts: Oh sure, I can admit that I am not "the" sharpest knife in the drawer (always leaves room for growth), though I do have some of "the best" set of knives ever made. LOL! One thing is for sure, I can still inflict a little prick.

     
  • posted at 5:30 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    real facts: Are you a little dim?

    How could it mean that I already have your email address when I asked...

    "Do I need to email you personally?"...?

    You like to stretch things to fit your agenda.

    Give me your email address and I will email you.

    Also, I missed you at the LNS yesterday. What happened?


     
  • posted at 5:16 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard: blah blah blah.

    i don't play by other peoples rules. you seem to think that you going to steer whatever debate we do have, only in the direction that suits you. not so girard. i make SURE people play fair. you tried to pull your one sided game, and i didn't let you get away with it. you copped out (as usual) on doing what your responsible for, by sidestepping my questions. now it's the "usual" from you, backing away while blaming me. it's who you "aren't"

     
  • posted at 5:12 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    lodian is busted again for lying.

    you couldn't obtain my e-mail address, WITHOUT hacking into my account.

    and now your lying you "don't have it" after you said you did. you wouldn't have known that info without knowing my address.

    why do you lie so much lodian, and justify it? you continually lie, and "claim" your a Christian.

    the bible says it is IMPOSSIBLE for someone like you to be a believer, and lie consistently without conscience. you keep lying to yourself that you are.

    don't worry, girard will lie again for you, and say once again you never lie in here

     
  • posted at 5:06 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    ONCE AGAIN, YOU LIE. ONCE I CAUGHT YOU ILLEGALLY BREAKING INTO MY ACCOUNT, YOU TRIED TO COVER YOURSELF. BUT, BECAUSE YOUR NOT THE SHARPEST "KNIFE" IN THE DRAWER, YOU GAVE YOURSELF UP (AGAIN).
    ****************************************
    Lodian wrote on Mar 11, 2008 6:38 AM:
    If you want me to email you then you'll have to give me your email address. "
    ************************************
    Lodian wrote on Mar 10, 2008 12:04 AM:

    " real facts 12:00 AM: When you call me a liar, you are messing with me. I told you not to mess with me. Do I need to email you personally? "

     
  • posted at 3:59 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 12:04 AM: "no sam and her "brothers" either tonight tracking my blog activity..."

    One does not have to post comments in order to track the blog activity of another.

     
  • posted at 1:38 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 12:04 AM: "no lodian sending me an e-mail"

    If you want me to email you then you'll have to give me your email address.

     
  • posted at 1:36 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2008.

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    girard74: Great posts. I enjoyed reading them all.

     
  • posted at 7:18 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    I have done much more than I intended tonight. My only requirement of you prior to discussing this with you was for you to seek the counsel of someone that you trust (such as a pastor or spiritual guide) to provide you with an objective opinion of not only your behavior and words on this blog, but mine as well.

    In spite of your failure to follow that one simple instruction, I still engaged you in what has turned out to be a futile exercise.

    Your pride is going to cause you a lot of pain. Too bad. Your loss. Good bye.

     
  • posted at 7:04 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    no lodian sending me an e-mail, even though she knows my e-mail address.

    no sam and her "brothers" either tonight tracking my blog activity in an attempt to spill my personal info publically

     
  • posted at 7:02 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    girard; are you a mormon by chance?

     
  • posted at 7:02 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 10, 2008 11:28 PM:

    " Of course the Bible is God's Word - I have never contended otherwise").

    thats a lie. you "contended" that it was merely another "book" compiled by men, and fully inSINuated that it cannot be trusted AS Gods word, because it WAS compiled by man.

    now that i busted you on it, NOW your back tracking with your slick choice of wording.

    can the bible be FULLY trusted AS Gods word, despite being compiled by men?

    is it the "go-to" for all things authority as far as God is concerned?

     
  • posted at 6:57 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 10, 2008 11:28 PM:
    There is no proof of His own 'genesis' in the Bible").

    are you out of your mind? please tell me that this is medicine induced, so you can have some sort of excuse for saying that. thats completely heretical.

    God stated over and over who he was BEFORE he created the heavens and the earth. those conversations between God and man were recorded, where God specifically explained his "origin".

    the "genesis" of God is a felonious statement in that God was never "born". he says he ALWAYS existed. you wouldn't know-that-knowledge-outside-of-those-recordations

     
  • posted at 6:48 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    girard said; I've permitted you to treat me very shabbily tonight. Consider it a gift").

    you have permitted yourself to show who you really aren't.

    consider it a gift that i wasn't more harsh with you, considering your heretic status.

    anybody that deflects to answer the question "is the bible fully Gods word or not", is an heretic. you lied that you answered it. you skated from it, and you won't answer it honestly, because then people will see the "real you".

    don't worry girard.....that question will follow you all around in here.

    i promise

     
  • posted at 6:46 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    Study my 11:28 post.

     
  • posted at 6:45 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    You're a one-dimensional mind in a three-dimensional world.

    With your attitude, you'll never understand the 'real' things. What a pity. All that passion going to waste.

    I've posed the questions. You know what they are. Sleep on it. Rest your ego just a bit. Think outside your constrictive 'box' and try to imagine a truly Godly world.

     
  • posted at 6:40 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 10, 2008 11:31 PM:

    I'm not being handled. "

    your just one of those people that walk thru life high fiving themselves over a fallacious position in life. go ahead, it's your delusion to live down.

    "handling you" was easy. all i had to do with you to demonstrate (again) that your full of hot air, is to ask you a couple of questions.

    you refusing to answer is just like i said ......"your a merry-go-round with no brass ring".

    i didn't need a pastor to prove that. you proved your an heretic all on your own.

     
  • posted at 6:37 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    You've proclaimed that I don't know 'zip.' This in the face of questions that you are unable to answer at this point. Once you put that incredible pride of yours on hold and you learn to control that biting tongue, then you'll be able to begin to understand.

    Oh, you know the 'words,' but you're a little light on their meaning.

     
  • posted at 6:34 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    RF demanded, '(1) take me to task on what i am "not" doing (according to you).

    (2) what are the "other" alternatives?

    (3) is the bible fully Gods word or not?'

    I've already answered #3.

    You've got to figure out #1 and #2 for yourself.

    Try and put your pride and anger aside. THINK!!! I really believe you can do it. Look for the answers. They're out there - as plain as the nose on your face.

    But as long as you believe that you 'know enough,' you'll never get it.

    I've permitted you to treat me very shabbily tonight. Consider it a gift.

    Good night.

     
  • posted at 6:31 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    I haven't twisted any of your words. There is absolutely NO evidence of that. You apparently can't follow your own trail here. You're getting lost and can't find your way out. And you know what, that's okay!! It really is!!

    This is how all of us learn. But, you proudly proclaim that you know enough to 'handle' me.

    I'm not being handled.

     
  • posted at 6:30 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    girard, don't play your rediculous split-hairs word games with me, i know your rediculous deal dude.

    you know eaxctly what i mean in my explanation of the "odds" and God.

    you stiill exhibit behavior of a heretic.....not a man trying to PRESERVE the integrity of God.

    now answer my questions....
    (1) take me to task on what i am "not" doing (according to you).

    (2) what are the "other" alternatives?

    (3) is the bible fully Gods word or not?

     
  • posted at 6:28 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    Of course the Bible is God's Word - I have never contended otherwise. However, is the Bible the only evidence of God?

    You see, in Genesis, things started off with God creating the heavens and earth and everything else. He was already in existence. His very 'being' falls outside the scope of the Bible. There is no proof of His own 'genesis' in the Bible.

    Therefore, without use of the Bible, prove the existence of God.

    Part of my point is that things are not always so 'simple.' One needs to know the answers before leading others to God.

     
  • posted at 6:23 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    RF asked, 'God doesn't play the "odds" game about himself huh girard?'

    By placing 'odds', one is participating in a game of 'chance.' In your story, what are the chances that Elijah's God would not prevail? The outcome was a foregone conclusion - there was no 'chance' that it would have turned out any other way, therefore, no 'odds.'

     
  • posted at 6:12 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    God doesn't play the "odds" game about himself huh girard?

    how about the story of elijah the prophet, who confronted the worshippers of false gods by offering up burnt offerings to idols. elijah confronted them, and issued them a challenge. both parties were to build an alter stacked with wood, and were to call upon thier "God", to see who would answer. the idol worshippers "god" didn't show up. elijah stacked the odds against himself, by SOAKING his pile of wood in water. God not only consumed the wood, he EVAPORATED the water.

    you don't know zip

     
  • posted at 6:06 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    is the bible fully Gods word, or not girard?

     
  • posted at 6:05 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 10, 2008 10:54 PM:

    This isn't discounting the value of pastors or others who might offer you help?

    it would be, if i needed help in countering you....i don't.

    i am an expert in countering heretic's

    i asked you to qualify your statements and you didn't. now your on the usual girard deflection tour, acting all "nice" to pass yourself off as "genuine".

    genuine people don't run when confronted.

    phonies that built their house on smoke and mirrors run away....everytime

     
  • posted at 6:00 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 10, 2008 10:51 PM:

    " RF, I really don't like to say this, but much of what you 'say,' is merely parroting what you have read or heard but have not 'understood.').

    good. then take me to task on "what i don't know".

    you know why you never will, because YOU CAN'T.......and you were only blowing smoke all along.

    if you could have, you would have. then you would have high fived your inflated ego, "thinking" you did.

    your an heretical merry-go-round, with no brass ring

     
  • posted at 5:56 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 10, 2008 10:44 PM:

    " Everyone, RF, needs guidance from time to time").

    thats a true statement....who doesn't?

    whats funny is in your deluded heretical mind, you somehow "think" you are taking me to task over something even you cannot define. how pathetic

    i asked you to explain what your getting at.....nothing .......(because it's just a word game he plays, hoping he can discredit me).

    i asked you to provide "alternatives" to Gods word and guess what, he can't do it.

    girard, it's clear. your nothing more than a game player AND a heretic

     
  • posted at 5:54 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    RF wrote, 'you act as if "pastors' are the end all be all of knowledge. i made it a point a long time ago that i don't have to rely on someone else for "guidence".'

    This isn't discounting the value of pastors or others who might offer you help?

     
  • posted at 5:51 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    RF, I really don't like to say this, but much of what you 'say,' is merely parroting what you have read or heard but have not 'understood.'

     
  • posted at 5:51 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    how did you mis-represent me? by purposefully twisting my words, and lying about what i said. i never "put down pastors" like you lied i did. i stated that i don't need one to handle you, despite your demands. now your back to blaming "me", for your integrity "exit" out of your responsibility.

    just because you are "gentle". what a joke.
    **************************************** girard74 wrote on Mar 10, 2008 10:30 PM:
    You sit there and rely upon what you believe is your superior intellect and openly put down Pastors and what they might be able to provide you

     
  • posted at 5:44 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    girard: where did you ever presume upon yourself that you "follow" Christ?

    your verbage now is consistent with that of an unbeliever, attempting to destroy Gods reputation of HIM making HIMSELF known to man.

    and you accuse ME of turning people away from Christ.

    from the very beginning of creation, God set himself above man by doing things only God could do, so that men like you are without excuse.

    it's all about the odds girard. it's what seperates foolish men from their claims there is no God.

    you can't even answer challenges put in front of you. you make "diversions" and-run

     
  • posted at 5:44 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    Everyone, RF, needs guidance from time to time.

     
  • posted at 5:41 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    RF, this is what you stated about pastors,

    'you act as if "pastors' are the end all be all of knowledge. i made it a point a long time ago that i don't have to rely on someone else for "guidence".'

    Just how did I misrepresent what you said?

     
  • posted at 5:39 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    you have been "polite", in the beguiling sense of the word. but your honesty is veiled within your lie, of blaming me for your failure to come clean about what you are doing in here.

    you lied also by purposefully mis-representing what i said about "pastors". i never said or implied what you are lying about. i stated that i don't need a pastor to instruct me how to handle anything YOU can throw at me....thats just your lying deflection game, because now it's obvious you can't handle your own business in here between us.....i-noticed-you-keep-evading-the-"alternatives"--question

     
  • posted at 5:38 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    There are no 'odds' about God.

    He is Who He is. Anyone foolish enough to bet against Him will ALWAYS lose - hence - no odds.

    Placing 'odds' as you have done, is an afront to Him. It means that you are providing doubt. And you can never provide doubt.

     
  • posted at 5:34 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    I have already told you what you needed to do. You refused. You completely discounted the counsel of other, perhaps more learned people - proudly believing that they have nothing to offer you.

    Your boasts of superiority over practically every one else on these blogs have now painted yourself into a corner.

    You 'admit' that you don't know everything, yet you don't try to find the answers. That is confusing to me.

    You accuse me of 'word games' - yet there is nothing confusing or puzzling about what I have presented to you. And I've done it gently. Your pride can't allow that.

     
  • posted at 5:32 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2008.

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    girard74 wrote on Mar 10, 2008 10:25 PM:
    You actually placed 'odds' on the authenticity of God's Word. That, in and of itself, proves that you must doubt its contents. Even a 'long shot' wins sometimes.

    There are no 'odds' on God").

    you bet i did. so did God.

    your a complete heretic for even saying that. God specifically stacks the odds in HIS favor, so that heretical men like you have no arguement against it.

    i noticed you wussed out on answering the claim of the odds fulfilled BY Christ. refute that girard