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Letter: Pastor Frank Nolton forgets about civil rights

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Posted: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 12:00 am

When I read headline “Intolerance and bullying should never be acceptable” in the April 12 letters to the editor, I felt proud. My hopes were quickly dashed.

Pastor Frank Nolton, have you ever heard of civil rights? Not once was that important detail mentioned.

As for your examples of victims, Brendan Eich chose to resign when he realized his self-important comments were going to hurt the Mozilla Corporation’s bottom line.

Craig James was fired by Fox after one week for boldly stating that “gays” would have to answer to the Lord for their sins. He obviously had an agenda that was much different than what he was hired to do. How long would you hold your job if you used the pulpit to give advice about the stock market?

And the most surprising analogy is “Duck Dynasty” kingpin Phil Robertson. He compared homosexuality to bestiality, adulterers, idolaters, drunkards and swindlers, and then arrogantly announced that they would not inherit the kingdom of heaven. His statements were vile. It’s shocking that you would not only defend him, but suggest that he was a victim of bullying.

Chick-fil-A is a restaurant that wants to segregate.

The LGBT is a civil rights organization. They’re fighting against a discriminatory environment for the gay and transgender community. This is not a “left agenda.” Consider the brave words of Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Gandhi, Abraham Lincoln or Rosa Parks. Do you consider these people to be “bullies” or “fascist” or “left-wing?” Do you consider the changes made because of their “agendas” to be unimportant?

At some point in our lifetime or our children’s, gay marriage won’t be an issue. The idea of denying a group of people their civil liberties will be as outdated as the moment we watched George Wallace stand on the steps of the University of Alabama to keep a black student from entering.

And no one is whining. The fact that you consider defending people’s civil rights a “left” agenda is extremely disrespectful to a large community of people. Do you encourage your “flock” to do the same? As a pastor should you not provide a soft, nonjudgmental place to fall for everyone? Your letter sounds like the answer to that question would be no!

Deborah Goni

Lodi

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31 comments:

  • Kevin Paglia posted at 1:50 pm on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2049

    So let's see: Donate your own money to a cause you believe in and get fired amid social outcry. Spend 1/2 hour beating your girlfriend hitting and kicking her 117 times with it caught on tape and people don't care.


    http://valleywag.gawker.com/tech-ceo-dodges-felony-charge-despite-horrifying-abuse-1566515135

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 10:38 pm on Wed, Apr 23, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 423

    The Seger version, I think, It's more folksy, if you will, sounds like the forgotten man or something to me. Metallica definitely rocks, but I'm much more mellow now in my old age [smile]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:53 am on Wed, Apr 23, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    Tom, you mean spirited as in trying to smear someone’s reputation and hurt their business because they don’t condone the gay lifestyle? The gay community has resorted to vigilante tactics to force people to not only accept their lifestyle but to not voice any personal opinions about their deviant lifestyle. Apparently freedom of speech only applies IF you agree with what is said. Liberals are so gullible.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 11:04 pm on Tue, Apr 22, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Ms. Bobbin,

    So a "good and decent man" is defined by the fact that he is a proponent of same-sex marriage? I'm curious - do you PERSONALLY know this man? Do you know for a FACT that he IS "good and decent?" Probably not. He could be a homosexual OR a heterosexual pervert, cheat, liar or anything else for all you know.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:38 pm on Mon, Apr 21, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mr. Barrow said, "I thought you weren't caught up in the left right paradigm."

    My response was, "I'm not but you would rather demur than face a fact."

    Apparently you would rather demur than face a fact as well.[sleeping]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:33 pm on Mon, Apr 21, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    So, now there is a "double standard", one for public figures and one for the average citizen? More liberal hogwash.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:54 pm on Mon, Apr 21, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1590

    Oh Joe you're such a kidder.
    Someone might easily conclude you were mean spirited by your comment.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:55 am on Mon, Apr 21, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1590

    Great song
    Do you prefer the original Bob Seger version or the Metallica version?
    BTW thanks.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:44 am on Mon, Apr 21, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "I'm not but you would rather demur than face a fact."

    Do you actually READ what you write, Mr. Liebich? Apparently not. YOU made reference to 2nd Amendment rights and equated them to the right to marry.

    Then you attempted to deflect the fallout onto others. Ridiculous!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:30 am on Mon, Apr 21, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Here we have one good and decent man who gave his own money toward a cause he believed in: that marriage should be reserved to one man and one woman."

    So a "good and decent man" is defined by the fact that he opposes same-sex marriage? I'm curious - do you PERSONALLY know this man? Do you know for a FACT that he IS "good and decent?" Probably not. He could be a heterosexual pervert, cheat, liar or anything else for all you know.

    Interesting. There must be a whole lot of "bad and indecent" men (and women) who are obviously going to hell post haste because they support the right for people of same sexes to marry.

    I really don't know how some people can reconcile the fact that they live in a nation that has a constitution that supports both religious freedom and equal rights. They seem to think that ONE has a higher value than the other.

    As long as same-sex couples are not spoiling YOUR marriage or YOUR rights under the institution of marriage you really have no say in the matter. You still have your religious beliefs and no one is saying you can't.

    And unless same-sex couples are out on the streets or at your door harassing you, just mind your OWN business. Maybe they could teach you something about nurturing a LONG LASTING relationship.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 10:31 am on Sun, Apr 20, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    Fighting for "civil rights". Who defines civil rights? It is clear the LGBT isn't stopping at "civil rights", they are DEMANDING everyone accept their lifestyle or suffer the consequencxes. Civil rights? Hogwash, strong arm tactics is a more fitting description.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 12:52 am on Sun, Apr 20, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 423

    Well said, Mr Heuer. Your line about is it a woman or a man made me think of the song "Turn the Page." That'd be the perfect title for your thoughtful comments here. Our history is filled with examples of bigotry and intolerance being overcome and many wrongs have eventually been righted, whether for people of color, or women, or workers, etc...now its the time in our history for the LGBT community to turn the page, so to speak. [smile]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:26 pm on Fri, Apr 18, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [sleeping] http://youtu.be/VFVgjla5g8w

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:08 pm on Fri, Apr 18, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I'm not but you would rather demur than face a fact.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 2:36 pm on Fri, Apr 18, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1590

    MR Kinderman
    Your attempt to try to clarify a confusion only adds more to the question posed by Ms Welch from Mr Paglias noble but failed proposition. Ms Bobin was, as usual, right on in her question but it seems it failed to register with you.

    Of course if you make a pro LGBT statement (or contribution) today you will not garner much criticism from main stream media or the public at large (outside of extreme religious circles) any more than if you speak up for wounded soldiers. However you are now speaking from an opposite swing in a long pendulum journey from an oppressive and abusive history. When I went to Lodi High (60's) you would never defend homosexuality without your own gender orientation coming into question because it was an unsupportable position back then. Heck you came pretty near being labeled because you let your hair grow long in those days. Is it a boy or is it a girl?

    It has been pointed out that 1. Eich chose to resign and 2 there is difference between freedom of speech among peers but quite another to be in a position of control where your ideas can be practiced. Most business people usually keep their politics and religions to themselves. This is because all customers are green and you don't want to shun any business opportunities. Shun a group for a cause and you soon find that cause may have allies. You also don't want to have the image of barriors to the best employee candidates who may worry about holes in their health care coverage or lost promotional opportunities because of religious preferences. So it is unusual for any business to actually take a stand publicly.

    So though you may be right there is no similar reaction on the pro gay rights side thats because it is seen as countering a long over due wrong. Its like at one time there was great support for the Ku Klux Klan (you know that group which was seen as defying an illegitimate and over reaching government). You don't expect anyone to now say (except in very small circles) that gee can anyone give a "shout out" to the Klan without being considered a KOOK? Of course because we don't wish to go back to that time that fostered bigotry and violence just as any anti-gay speech leads back to a hateful time where it was acceptable to criminalize and foster violence against gays.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:32 am on Fri, Apr 18, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    Left wing political propaganda nonsense? I thought you weren't caught up in the left right paradigm.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:05 am on Fri, Apr 18, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1590

    Now who is promoting political (right wing) propaganda nonsense? That a sign on a school building (Gun-Free School Zone) is the cause of school mass shootings. There are many buildings that one might consider gun free zones and don't need signs to invite armed crazies (malls, grocery stores, etc).

    We are swimming in a sea of mental illness in this country. The mother of one school shooter knew there was something wrong with her son but rather than seek psychiatric help for him she visited church after church seeking an exorcism for him. History now bears the success of that effort.

    So gun restrictions aren't the sole solution to our gun toting wild west fanaticism without addressing our mental illness epidemic. But fortunately the Affordable Care Act does provide for mental health coverage which may ultimately help curb the REAL problem. However there are obvious needs for monitoring who's buying guns through background checks.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:31 am on Fri, Apr 18, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2362

    I believe Mr. Paglia is suggesting that if today someone (anyone for that matter) were fired after it was learned that they donated $1,000 toward LGBT causes, what would be the result?

    Here we have one good and decent man who gave his own money toward a cause he believed in: that marriage should be reserved to one man and one woman. As a result, a few years later when he was being elevated to CEO of a company that he helped to rise and succeed, he was forced to resign.

    So again, what if this same person had been forced to resign after giving that very same $1,000 toward LGBT legislation - how would the MSM and the majority of politicians react?

    It's a simple comparison that calls for a rather simple answer. Actually, it's mostly rhetorical because we already know the answer. Unless there are some here who are being deliberately obtuse.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:27 am on Fri, Apr 18, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Oh, sorry, Mr. Liebich.

    I didn't realize you were just repeating some silly little rhyme you heard somewhere that really has nothing to do with the topic.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 4:33 pm on Thu, Apr 17, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Who is responsible for going "[offtopic]"? Yourself and Ms. Bobin.
    [sleeping]

    The notion that more gun control laws would have prevented any school shooting atrocities is simply more left-wing political propaganda nonsense. For example, the implementation of the Gun-Free School Zone Act which has actually led to an increase in the mass murder of innocent American children. This sign is not a warning. It’s an invitation and a green light rolled into one highly-visible, taxpayer-funded 'All-Clear' signal for any lunatic with a gun.

    .

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:39 pm on Thu, Apr 17, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1590

    [offtopic]

    Both rights yes. However marriage doesn't mass kill kids on school grounds so restrictions are only needed on guns.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:25 am on Thu, Apr 17, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "If one supports the right to marry one should support the right to carry and vice versa, civil rights for all" doesn't somehow magically morph into "According to Mr. Liebich, the Second Amendment has been voided"
    [lol]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:14 pm on Wed, Apr 16, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    You think that has NEVER happened, Mr. Paglia?

    Just how old are you?

    Most likely not old enough to remember that your "scenario" never existed most likely.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:13 pm on Wed, Apr 16, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    News Flash!!

    According to Mr. Liebich, the Second Amendment has been voided.

    When did that happen, by the way????

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 5:01 pm on Wed, Apr 16, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 423

    Should there be, Kevin? I'm not sure I understand your point.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 4:59 pm on Wed, Apr 16, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 423

    Exactly. Well said, Mr. Scott. And I agree that this was a great letter, too.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 12:45 pm on Wed, Apr 16, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2049

    If someone were fired after making donations/speaking in support of LGBT issues how much outcry and mass media condemnation would there be against the company?

     
  • Jackson Scott posted at 12:43 pm on Wed, Apr 16, 2014.

    Jackson Scott Posts: 386

    Nice letter Debbie.

    What Pastor Nolton forgets in his letter is that every person he identified is a public figure in the business world.

    The average citizen like you and I can express our opinion without fear of a backlash from our employers. They have to answer to stockholders and the almighty dollar.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:41 pm on Wed, Apr 16, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    If one supports the right to marry one should support the right to carry and vice versa, civil rights for all.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:13 am on Wed, Apr 16, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Fantastic, Ms. Goni!

    Well written and statements well supported.

    [thumbup]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 5:59 am on Wed, Apr 16, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 1146

    Thank you Deborah

    Great letter!!!

    [thumbup]

     

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