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Posted: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:11 am, Sat Apr 14, 2012.

Unknowingly, the USA trained the 9/11 hijack pilots by allowing these Islamic citizens of Saudi Arabia to enroll in American flight schools. Now, after 10 years of contemplation, we know that their enrollment raised suspicions that were unfortunately ignored.

So, what have we in Lodi? Nine members of the Qatar national military are being trained to be skilled parachutists at the local Lodi Parachute Center. The precision parachute skills being taught certainly can have military and terrorist applications.

Qatar is an Islamic Middle-Eastern country. The Lodi Parachute Center is training the military personnel of an unfriendly culture. The owner is showing poor judgment in the selection of his students.

David Browda

Lodi

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29 comments:

  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:56 am on Tue, Apr 17, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ms. Bobbin,

    You have dragged yourself into this conversation and made a complete fool of yourself in the process. Don't try to blame me.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:54 am on Tue, Apr 17, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    What's next, Ms. Bobbin? Are you also goiing to rule out there are Mosques in the central valley that preach Radical Islam?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:51 am on Tue, Apr 17, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Those learning how to parachute at the center from Qatar may not be terrorists.
    But for Ms. Bobbin to totally rule out this type of method a terrorist might use is naive at the least.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:05 am on Mon, Apr 16, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Chuckle..."

    I really don't know why Mr. Docktor is trying to drag me into this conversation. I already stated I didn't know what this letter was about.

    Just had to search for the original story - unless, Mr. Kinderman, Mr. Browda is a total idiot, he apparently was able to copy the spelling of the country from the article in the paper, so your snide comment is irrelevant at best.

    This is a total non-issue unless Mr. Browda believes that "precision parachuting" is the best "cover" these potential "terrorists" could come up with. Otherwise...who cares?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:35 am on Mon, Apr 16, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Labeling native Qataris who skydive as "suspected terrorists" is about as absurd as believing that the 9/11 hijackers who hung out at a strip club in Florida, drank heavily, snorted cocaine and ate pork chops were devout radical Muslims.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:32 am on Mon, Apr 16, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1500

    Yesterday morning, I saw two of their planes flying in close formation. I bet the second plane was full of FBI and Homeland Security who were going to jump with the suspected terrorists and monitor their conversations during jump.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:28 pm on Sun, Apr 15, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    http://www.dictionary.com defines "theory" as:

    "a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity. Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine."

    You always seem to become rather testy when it comes down to your facts, Mr. Liebich. My comments regarding what you set forth would certainly fall within the definition set forth above; unless of course you'd like to argue with the dictionary.

    On the other hand, facts do not always equate to truth; just ask any newspaper reporter. There's where you have to go just a tad further than anything you've set forth thus far to prove that 9/11 was an inside job. In the end, I simply disagree with your theories, conspiratorial or otherwise (redundancy from previous post clearly intentional).

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:13 pm on Sun, Apr 15, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I have not posted a theory (conspiratorial or otherwise) Mr. Kinderman. I merely stated a few unequivocal facts concerning 9/11. Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:53 pm on Sun, Apr 15, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    Nothing like doing a little parsing of another's statement in order to have it fit their theory (conspiratorial or otherwise).

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:43 am on Sun, Apr 15, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Ms. Erickson,
    I'm still waiting for an explanation as to what in my comment you consider "conspiracy theory"?

    Mr. Kinderman suggests, "Doing a little research prior to submitting anything for exposure". I agree.

    Who are the "real terrorists" or individuals responsible for 9/11?

    I suggest doing a little research...

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:45 pm on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Erickson stated...You can't condemn an entire culture, religion, race, people for horrible acts. Individuals are repsonsible for 911...not and entire religion

    I am so sorry to see such a soft spoken concerned person characterize someone's posts in a false light.

    No one on this thread did as you suggested. They talked about Islamic Law, Islamic culture, possible American involvement in 9/11, hate crime issues, Christian faith being attacked... but to conclude racism when talking about culture or laws is bizarre.
    In addition, it is a very good point to state individuals were responsible for 9/11. Each person who participated was an individual. However, it is well known that sometimes individuals are organized by particular beliefs. Certain cultures influence “individuals” differently that others. For example, if you are an individual who believes in Islamic law, and you execute a gay man because by law, being gay is punishable by death for the crime, then that individual would not be punished for his action.
    So yes, a reasonable person should evaluate a culture, legal system and other variables in order to determine what is likely behavior of a particular group. To then be accused of being a racist for doing something reasonable is absurd to put it mildly.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 10:28 pm on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ms. Erickson,

    Not once did I condemn the entire religion and culture of Islam. Please stop distorting what i am trying to say.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:27 pm on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Erickson stated...Brian ...you sure have a lot of anger in your heart...

    Hummm... I see the fear and concern in his heart... do not see anger... interesting how one can read different feelings into someones writing.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:46 pm on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    Well, at least in addition to knowing that Qatar is an Islamic Middle-Eastern country, the author knew how to spell it correctly. Whether he needed Google to figure that out, what’s wrong with that? Doing a little research prior to submitting anything for exposure in a newspaper would be consider wise; clearly not worthy of such mockery.

     
  • CATHERINE ERICKSON posted at 5:53 pm on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    FRITZY9 Posts: 17

    Brian ...you sure have a lot of anger in your heart...yes we have to be vigilant....yes we have to protect our country and freedoms but open your eyes to other cultures that share bases with us to fight the war on real terrorists. You can be a racist in many other ways...viloation of ones civil rights can involve race, religion, sexual persuasion, etc. It;s all racism at the basic level. You can't condemn an entire culture, religion, race, people for horrible acts. Individuals are repsonsible for 911...not and entire religion, etc. Just my opinion ...calm down...but soften your heart if you can.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 4:01 pm on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ms. Bobbin,

    I'm relieved you no longer believe critiquing Islam culture is hate mongering. Or were you being sarcastic again?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 3:53 pm on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ms. Bobbin,

    Your post is a little sarcastic and naive. Or is your whole post sarcastic? I'm rather afraid to speculate. I wish you could at least have done some research yourself on Islamic culture and the 911 terrorists. But that would be too much for us to ask..

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:56 pm on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Docktor wrote: "It's called Stealth Jihad, Ms. Bobbin. Because we all know you'll eventually get over to this blogg and accuse any who dares to critique Islam as hate mongers."

    Sorry to disappoint, Mr. Docktor. I don't really know anything about the letter writer's issue and really have no idea what he is talking about. He really shouldn't complain, however, given the death rate at the Lodi Parachute Center. Sounds like a problem that might be self-correcting given enough time.

    It is sad though that his only knowledge of Qater is the it is "an Islamic Middle-Eastern country."

    Betcha he had to Google that.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:28 pm on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    What did I say that can be considered conspiracy theory?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:14 pm on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    I'd like to know where in the Constitution it provides for protection against offending anyone else. It doesn't exist. Yet with these so-called "hate crime" laws, one would believe that the Founders had provided for it.

    Murder is murder - the reason(s) why anyone commits such atrocities has nothing to do with it. In fact, in a court of law motive was never an element that had to be proved in order to try, convict and sentence anyone. Yet now we're to accept that someone should be given a harsher sentence simply because of what they were thinking or even saying when the crime was committed. Now that's absurd!

    As a Christian my faith is constantly attacked even on this forum. My Savior is mocked, made fun of, ridiculed in every possible obscene way, yet how do I react? I ignore it. Oh, but utter one phrase against Islam then the war is on! People are entitled to their opinions even if they're based upon hatred or any other emotion that human beings possess. Keep in mind that hatred is every bit as valid as love; it's what makes us who we are. To attempt to criminalize emotions is flat-out wrong.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:01 pm on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    Ms. Erickson - why is it that whenever anyone offers an opinion about Islamic terrorists (even if those opinions might appear to be outlandish or even provided as humor) the race card thrown down?

    I'm getting quite tired of this ploy that has permeated virtually every attempt at civil discourse on this forum and anywhere else. You and others are going a long way to prove Eric Holder right that we're a nation of cowards in that we're afraid to discuss matters of race. Well, I'm not afraid Ms. Erickson. Those who DO limit conversations because of their fear (that would appear to be you by your scant postings thus far) are the ones who should " . . .try to extend [their] sphere of understanding of other cultures."

    P.S. to the News-Sentinel: Thank you for the upgrade to this system.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 11:32 am on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ms. Erickson wrote:

    And the conspiracy theories in the other comment are absurd!

    -Chuckle,

    Why don't you ask the EU about what they are currently doing to slow the pace of Islamic Law in Europe before you make such a claim that it is all a conspiracy theory. Open your eyes!

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 11:26 am on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ms Erickson wrote:

    Lean forward and try to extend your sphere of understanding of other cultures.

    -I have spent countless hours studying the culture of Islam. Unless you can convince me otherwise, I trust the culture about as far as I can spit.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 11:22 am on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ms. Erickson,

    Get real! The U.S. should always be vigilant of who we choose to ally with, whether they were past friends OR foes. Islam is not a race. Stop with the race baiting.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 10:36 am on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    It's called Stealth Jihad, Ms. Bobbin. Because we all know you'll eventually get over to this blogg and accuse any who dares to critique Islam as hate mongers.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 10:32 am on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Although there is friendly people in the Islamic culture. The culture has a track record of conquering and coverting by the sword. The first job of the culture is to convince one
    they are not like the Islamic culture of the past. We are talking about the recent past, like yesterday. That being said, they are still succeeding, given there will always be a certain amount of people they can count on to believe what happened yesterday will never happen again.

     
  • CATHERINE ERICKSON posted at 10:22 am on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    FRITZY9 Posts: 17

    OK people...get real...both your comments are bordering on racism and stupidity. Qatar is an Arab nation. It is a friendly nation with the USA. Qatar has bilateral relationships with a variety of foreign powers. It has allowed American forces to use an air base to send supplies to Iraq and Afghanistan. Inappropriate comments such as the "ice cream vendor" comment is abhorent and racist. And the conspiracy theories in the other comment are absurd! Lean forward and try to extend your sphere of understanding of other cultures.

     
  • Tim Litton posted at 9:00 am on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    Tim Litton Posts: 24

    I wonder if their being funded by the local ice cream drivers! J/K :)

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:56 am on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "Unknowingly, the USA trained the 9/11 hijack pilots" Are you sure Mr. Browda?

    In the months prior to 9/11, alleged hijackers Khalid Almidhar and Nawaf Alhazmi were renting rooms in a house owned and lived in by an FBI informant and Louai al-Sakka, the man who trained six of the hijackers, was a CIA informant.

    Curt Weldon, Former U.S. Congressman and senior member of the House Armed Services Committee, has documented how the US government tracked the hijackers’ movements before 9/11.

    The US Special Operations Command’s Able Danger program identified the hijackers and their accomplices long before 9/11, but when the head of the program, Colonel Anthony Shaffer, tried to pass the information on to the 9/11 Commission, he was gagged and slandered and the vital information his team had passed on was ignored and buried.

    I think you have a serious case of Qataraphobia.

     

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