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Posted: Monday, December 15, 2008 10:00 pm

I see no reason why there must be a new Wal-Mart in Lodi at his time.

We should wait before creating thousands of feet more vacant retail space. If Lodi is so prominent an item on Wal-Mart's world scene, they should enlarge the existing store for the time being.

I shop almost exclusively in Lodi. I shopped at Wal-Mart in Lodi twice last week and at least once this week. The only stores that drag me out of Lodi for shopping are Costco, Trader Joe's and (before the Lodi multiplex) movies. I survive very well with only 12 screens.

Building a Supercenter at this time will only create thousands more square feet of vacant retail space in our town - added to Ace Hardware, Lakewood Drugs and scores of smaller retail vacancies. Getting that space leased will require a ton more dance studios, martial arts gyms and barbershops.

Meanwhile, I go through life aware there is a Costco store in Turlock, Modesto, Manteca, Stockton, Fairfield, Tracy and three in Sacramento, and leaving my 95242 zip code at any Trader Joe's I enter. That's what I want in Lodi and any council that accomplishes that will get my vote.

Gerry Gandt

Lodi

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47 comments:

  • posted at 8:41 am on Tue, Dec 23, 2008.

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    Robb: I was asking you about Trader Joe's, not Walmart. I tried a few times, but you can't seem to fully back up what you claim about Trader Joe's. You seem evasive, like you're just making it up. Sorry you can't have a real exchange on the topic.

     
  • posted at 3:19 am on Tue, Dec 23, 2008.

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    Lodian: It has just been in disarray, and messy, cluttered, ..darn it, they are just no longer what they used to be, just not worth the drive..

     
  • posted at 9:17 am on Mon, Dec 22, 2008.

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    Scrutiny: I second that appelation. But,I would like to enhance it with an additional noun- to wit "STOOGES" "The BIG THREE" - STOOGEST.B.T.S. The "hand maidens" of the GOB. As in the Egyptian worship of the god, "Atum". Ah yes---I can see King Bob now - disgusting.

     
  • posted at 5:21 pm on Sun, Dec 21, 2008.

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    Robb: I'm curious... What about Trader Joe's is unhealthy to you and where do you find more healthy offerings in a grocery store? Also, what kind of "mess" do you witness at the Trader Joe's store?

     
  • posted at 3:39 pm on Sun, Dec 21, 2008.

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    Sorry, you missed me again, the TJ's of the last several years may have been health conscious, but now, I doubt that I would call them a healthy choice, the one in stockton is constantly messy, with semi-bare shelves.. less and less of what I want, and I am concerned with my health.

     
  • posted at 9:12 am on Fri, Dec 19, 2008.

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    Robb wrote on Dec 19, 2008 3:10 PM:" Not at all, I am just not impressed at all with TJ's. "That's okay. Some people just don't buy into the whole thing about eating healthily.

     
  • posted at 9:10 am on Fri, Dec 19, 2008.

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    Not at all, I am just not impressed at all with TJ's.

     
  • posted at 3:20 am on Fri, Dec 19, 2008.

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    ....or maybe a garage sale?

     
  • posted at 3:20 am on Fri, Dec 19, 2008.

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    Robb: With your line of thinking you must think that a SWM is less desirable than the Galt flea market.

     
  • posted at 3:06 am on Fri, Dec 19, 2008.

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    Robb wrote on Dec 18, 2008 3:32 PM:" Lodian: TJ Used to be a great place, now they carry less and less of the items I want, as far as I can tell, they are now in line with Mcfrugals.. "Oh please. Not even close.

     
  • posted at 1:26 am on Fri, Dec 19, 2008.

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    I have heard the Lodi needs at least 90,000 in population before Trader Joe will consider our community.

     
  • posted at 9:32 am on Thu, Dec 18, 2008.

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    Lodian: TJ Used to be a great place, now they carry less and less of the items I want, as far as I can tell, they are now in line with Mcfrugals..

     
  • posted at 5:59 pm on Wed, Dec 17, 2008.

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    Robb, I agree, TJs isn't what it used to be. Seems like every time I go in there lately, they've quit carrying another item I've liked for years. They seem to have less and less, except for more and more mediocre wine and liquor. I cant wait for the new "Fresh and Easy". I've heard that they're a European based Trader Joes.

     
  • posted at 4:28 pm on Wed, Dec 17, 2008.

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    Robb: Why do you think it would be a waste of time and energy?

     
  • posted at 10:46 am on Wed, Dec 17, 2008.

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    Trader Joes is NOT what it used to be, a few years ago, I would agree, But to bring a store that is at the level as the one in Stockton would be a waste of time and energy..

     
  • posted at 5:52 pm on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    Acampo Mom, I think they have quantified what a typical TJs customer profile looks like. What they do is compare the standard demographics of a typical town against that profile. There are currently way more towns wanting one of their stores than they are capable of opening. The more areas that are built out fitting their current demographic profile, the more lenient they will be about expanding into less perfect areas. Think Starbucks. Previously only found in high density metropolitan areas, now on every block, and in Target and Safeway. If TJs continues to grow, Lodi will eventually get one. Hopefully they'll be a little smarter than Starbucks.

     
  • posted at 4:52 pm on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    Cogito...I don't think they are really "seeking" a particular type of customer. HOWEVER, the more educated and affluent a community is, the more likely it is to shop in their store. Those that live and breathe by McDonalds, are not the ones you will typically find in Trader Joes...ya know?

     
  • posted at 4:48 pm on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    uh...dogs4you....I have to ask....WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???sheesh

     
  • posted at 3:46 pm on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    Hate to cause jealousy and envy, but did you guys know Galt is getting a "Fresh and Easy"? A lot like Trader Joes. Google the name and check it out. Scheduled to open in 2009.

     
  • posted at 3:38 pm on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    I suspect another reason TJs doesn't like Lodi is that the majority of the educated people are registered Republicans. Most people here like good wine, not the stuff they sell. And many Lodians prefer pizza and Mexican food over hummus and pita bread.

     
  • posted at 3:26 pm on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    Sam Joe likes smart people and that is the deciding factor as to where he builds his stores? One thing that puzzles me though, if Joe like`s smart people, what`s he doing in Stockton, besides many kids that live in Stockton were educated in Lodi. Costco suits me just fine and I`m a welder, and a guy that likes a cold one on a hot day and nobodys fool. Time to hang it up for the night, peace.

     
  • posted at 3:12 pm on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    It's hard for me to believe that TJs seeks a more educated client base. Especially since they're the kings of the $2.00 bottle of wine. What I would think Lodi fails demographically is the average age of the residents, coupled with the average dinner in many homes consists of cabbage, potatoes, and some kind of ground meat stuffed in a casing. Plus, they don't sell a lot of Mexican food items. I bought some tortillas there once, worst excuse for a tortilla I have ever had.

     
  • posted at 2:32 pm on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    Trader Joe's is one store for which I will make a special trip to Stockton. For anyone who knows their grocery prices, TJ's can't be beat on many, many items...in fact, since their prices are so great, I have incorporated so many more ingredients into my menus that are far more expensive at ANY local supermarket. And the quality can't be beat, either!

     
  • posted at 1:55 pm on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    Dogs, it is NOT my rule. That is how Trader Joe's decides where to build their stores.

     
  • posted at 1:24 pm on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    Sam it would seem to me that anyone with money in their pocket would be welcomed at TJ`s. Whats the big deal with a college education, I`ll take a guy in the trades any day. From the way you make it sound, do you have to be a doctor or lawyer to get into the place, I was and still could be a damn good welder, now a days it`s show me the money. And Mom read again what I said about water, seems to me your drinking to much JD, and lay off the hemp. People with a college education get laid off just as well as anyone these days.

     
  • posted at 1:18 pm on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    Scrutiny, I like that big 3 idea. I second that motion. All those in favor say "ayemeegos." Although I believe I called them the "Big3" in a blog last week.

     
  • posted at 11:32 am on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    I do herebye lay claim to being the first to call Phil, Bob and Larry, "The Big Three".

     
  • posted at 11:29 am on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    Oh!! That`s right!!! Phil Katzakian, Larry and Bob are MUCH smarter that the city councils in those lesser cities Stockton and Galt...

     
  • posted at 11:25 am on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    Stockton has BANNED Supercenters and Galt has BANNED Supercenters! But the Big 3 of Lodi, " Phil, Larry, and Bob" want it!!! What do these three know that Stockton and Galt do not??!!

     
  • posted at 9:47 am on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    Dogs, Lodian did not make the Trader Joe rules up That seriously is how they determine whether or not a community is a good match for them.They need a certain percent of college and graduate degrees in a community before they believe they will be successful.

     
  • posted at 9:06 am on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    LodiSafeway wrote on Dec 16, 2008 11:39 AM:" Okay, following the author's train of thought here - while not an original idea, but what "if" the current Wal-Mart was made bigger (how to pull that off is anyone's guess, but let's entertain that for just a moment.) If this expansion were to include the sale of groceries, would the opposition to its expansion in this regard be eliminated or at least reduced? Or would there still be an issue? "I've wondered the same thing, or if they were to move into an existing building...if one were available?

     
  • posted at 9:04 am on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    Dog4You...Did YOU get YOUR education in the Lodi Unified School District? Drink a lot of water?

     
  • posted at 9:00 am on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    Lodi and the surrounding area also doesn't have a large enough population to "support" a store in the Lodi areaIt is the QUANTITY of college graduates (or our lack thereof) that has doomed Lodi to be TraderJoeless.This is also the reasoning I received from Borders and Barnes & Noble.

     
  • posted at 8:42 am on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    Lodian state a higher education leads to a better income. I don`t think anyone will disagree with that statement, however do you need a masters degree in shopping to get into the place. Graduating from high school and common sence should get you in the front door. Also Lodian, you really dropped the hammer on the learning ability of kids that go to school in Lodi, maybe it`s the water. TJ`s is more or less a specialty store on the order of downtown Lodi, it`s not for the masses, that`s why there are alternative stores to shop.

     
  • posted at 8:14 am on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    Lodian, people who shop at Trader Joe's know the difference between arugula and head lettuce ... LOL.

     
  • posted at 7:53 am on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    The general idea is that a higher education usually leads to a better income as well as a desire for what TJ's has to offer. Do you disagree?

     
  • posted at 7:49 am on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    Lodisafeway: Lodi does not fit the demographic TJ's desires in order to open a store in Lodi. They look for a certain level of high school and college graduates as well as the median household income. It looks as though Lodi simply doesn't measure up. This seems hard for you to swallow. Do you not think that there are many companies that study the demographic of an area/city/town before opening a business in that area? Do you think Walmart skipped this step in their decision making process?

     
  • posted at 6:12 am on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    In response to the recent explanation as to why Trader Joe's would not desire to open a store in Lodi, I went to their website and lodged the following inquiry:"There has been some discussion regarding just why Trader Joe's does not wish to open a store in Lodi, California. One notion that came to light was extremely puzzling to me. It has been suggested that, 'Lodi's collective level of education is below what TJ's looks for in a prospective area. TJ's is not interested in building and doing business in Lodi until we are a more educated community.'"I find this to be patently absurd, but I am hoping that you might either dispel this myth or provide an explanation as to why it might be accurate."Thank you for your attention to this matter."When or if I receive a response from Trader Joe's I will submit it for further consideration.

     
  • posted at 5:56 am on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    LodiSafeway wrote on Dec 16, 2008 11:40 AM:" Why does Trader Joe's not desire to open in Lodi? "Lodi's collective level of education is below what TJ's looks for in a prospective area. TJ's is not interested in building and doing business in Lodi until we are a more educated community. I wonder if a SWM will help in that regard.

     
  • posted at 5:40 am on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    Why does Trader Joe's not desire to open in Lodi?

     
  • posted at 5:39 am on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    Okay, following the author's train of thought here - while not an original idea, but what "if" the current Wal-Mart was made bigger (how to pull that off is anyone's guess, but let's entertain that for just a moment.) If this expansion were to include the sale of groceries, would the opposition to its expansion in this regard be eliminated or at least reduced? Or would there still be an issue?

     
  • posted at 5:01 am on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    I'm going to check out the Nugget, also. If the store is half as nice as some have said (and I'm sure it is) I'll shop there.

     
  • posted at 4:27 am on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    Cogito: I have yet to check out that Nugget Market. It's on my list. Thanks.

     
  • posted at 3:40 am on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    Lodian, they have a TJs on the corner of Elk Grove Blvd. and Bruceville, west of 99. Go there, then check out the Nugget Market across the street. Then you won't have to go to Stockton. 8-)

     
  • posted at 3:06 am on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    Acampo_Mom: You are right about Trader Joe's. I now see exactly why TJ's will not come to Lodi. It's unfortunate that Lodi does not attract such businesses. We'll have to wait for the new TJ's to be built in north Stockton. I'll be there! :-)

     
  • posted at 1:22 am on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    You are absolutely correct Acampo Mom. All the City can do is provide the proper zoning and an environment to attract a business. Only the property owner can negotiate a deal with a tenant. The environment if refer to includes fees, utility rates and a cooperative Building department.

     
  • posted at 12:41 am on Tue, Dec 16, 2008.

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    No councilman will be able to get a Trader Joe's in Lodi. Trader Joe's has already made clear that they have no desire to open in Lodi. I would love to see a Trader Joe's in Lodi as well, that is why I wrote them several letters a couple of years ago.As far as the Wal-Mart Supercenter goes...I don't care one way or another. If they build it I'll probably shop there as often as I do currently, maybe the new store will at least have more room to move your cart down the aisles, eh?

     

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