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If president wants to protect kids, why does he support abortion?

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Posted: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:00 am

Shortly after Congress rejected the gun registration bill, President Obama said this was a pretty shameful day for Washington, shaming the senators for having no concern for the safety of the children of America.

I haven't heard him say anything about the killing of thousands of children by abortion, particularly the late term abortion murders of babies, which he supported. Maybe I missed something.

Sam West


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  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:23 pm on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2866

    Mr. Lucas,

    It only seems fair based on what you're accusing Jerome of I should respond with another accusation directed towards you. But, Jerome has done nothing of the sort to substantiate your claim he is a proponent of genocide because he's not a proponent of abortion. As far as you sir, well, you're the one who stuck your foot in your mouth.

  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:16 pm on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2866

    Mr Lucas,

    I didn't know you are a proponent of what Martha Sanger's original intentions were. Or are you not aware she was the founder of Planned Parenthood? Hitler gave her 3 million dollars to advance her project to rid the world of the most unwanted. Does Eugenics ring a bell with you? It's no accident she set up the first Planned Parenthood clinics in areas with a high population of of poor Black people. She was quite the racist.

  • Quan Pham posted at 8:55 am on Wed, May 22, 2013.

    qpham63 Posts: 31

    It is just hyprocracy. What ever is the convenient stance to take. Even Dr Gosnell turns to be pretty prolife when it comes to his own pleading to avoid the death penalty.

    Joe Baxeter, aren't you glad your mother did not take the path of abortion?

    It is funny that all those who are here to day and who supports abortion were all spared by a caring and well informed mother and or father.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:36 am on Tue, May 21, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    Most fairy tales always begin with "Once upon a time".

  • Andy Crowder posted at 3:16 pm on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Thank you for acknowledging that your stance on abortion is just your personal opinion, and not a reflection of anything that can be attributed to the Bible's sky god character. The Bible is quite clear about the killing of unborn embryos and the value of not only a fetus, but newborns in general.

    What the Bible says about Abortion:

    Abortion is not murder. A fetus is not considered a human life.

    If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life. -- Exodus 21:22-23

    The Bible places no value on fetuses or infants less than one month old.

    And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. -- Leviticus 27:6

    Fetuses and infants less than one month old are not considered persons.

    Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD. -- Numbers 3:15-16

    God sometimes approves of killing fetuses.

    And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. -- Numbers 31:15-17
    (Some of the non-virgin women must have been pregnant. They would have been killed along with their unborn fetuses.)
    Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. -- Hosea 9:14
    Yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb. -- Hosea 9:16
    Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. -- Hosea 13:16

    God sometimes kills newborn babies to punish their parents.

    Because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. -- 2 Samuel 12:14

    God sometimes causes abortions by cursing unfaithful wives.

    The priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell. And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen. ...
    And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed. -- Numbers 5:21-21, 27-28

    God's law sometimes requires the execution (by burning to death) of pregnant women.
    Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt. -- Genesis 38:24

    If I may ask a question, Mr. Kinderman, in quoting the Psalm, there is a reference to the ancient Hebrew sky god having written in his book every day of an embryo's life. If your god is all knowing, might this number then for an aborted embryo be zero, as it was for Tamar's child?

  • John Lucas posted at 10:21 am on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Jerome you are a good man and I know you are sincere in your beliefs. This does not alter the clear fact that if we acted on your beliefs within a hundred years this planet will not be able to support human life and billions of potential human life will be gone forever. God's laws are unforgiving. He set up an ecological system governing our survival. The laws of that system are not written down but are deduced by what species survives. Your belief system violates those laws. The sentence is death for billions upon billions of unborn.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:49 am on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    The Bible says nothing about abortion? Let's start with Psalm 139:13-16: "For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them." In a word: WOW! And then refer to the Ten Commandments where he commands us to not kill. I believe that human life and all that it contains begins at conception. Therefore, I believe abortion to be an abomination to God. Sadly, it's that simple.

  • John Lucas posted at 2:52 am on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Once upon a time there were two civilizations that were exactly the same at opposite ends of the universe. They had the same exact history up until one moment.

    in the most powerful nation of one was taken over by a faction that believed God would destroy the Earth because of abortion even though their religious texts said nothing about it. They also believed that the wealthy and corporations should pay little in taxes. They did not believe in science and scoffed at the scientist’s warnings of climate change and overpopulation. Governments were hamstrung by lack of funds and were unable to solve any problems. In a very short time because of the effects of the scientists warnings the world descended into chaos and an ecological disaster coupled with wars over resources ended the earth ability to support human life and human life ended.

    In the other the most powerful nation was taken over by a faction that believe God had given humans brains and meant for them to use them. They believed in science. They raised taxes on the wealthy and corporations and used that money to put millions of people to work creating green energy. They used their ingenuity to figure out ways reverse the effects of climate change. They understood that they were part of the earth and for them to survive they had to obey the laws that the maker of the universe put their for them. These laws are the basis of of an ecological system that had allowed them to flourish for millions of years. In time they got their population down to a sustainable level and found their place in the system. They will survive for millions of more years.

    The men who scream about abortion and vote Republican in the end will kill the billions of people of generations of people their polices will end up not allowing to come to be. They are the real killers


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