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Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2014 12:00 am

We have a mess in the White House. But we have a solution — almighty God.

Today, if we had the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence in Philadelphia in July 1776, we wouldn’t need our 435 Representatives, 100, Senators and our 12 Supreme Court Justices. Neither would we need our present-day president of the United States. We would be a nation under God, with liberty and justice for all.

I leave you with a thought I read, not sure who to attribute it to: “Twenty-five years ago we had Ronald Reagan, Johnny Cash and Bob Hope. Today we have Barack Obama, no cash and no hope.”

Arnold Beglau

Lodi

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77 comments:

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:44 pm on Sun, May 4, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2362

    Now this is becoming just plain silly. While I pose this next question rhetorically, I would only hope those who read it to themselves would be honest as to what pops into their minds: what is the difference between a homosexual and heterosexual couple?

    In response to this LTE I have kept to the Biblical definitions as best I could. Sex is a very important subject insofar as the Christian faith is concerned. In fact, sex outside of marriage is considered to be nothing less than fornication. (See list of Biblical verses addressing this very matter at: http://tinyurl.com/o2b9k2u.)

    If all we were discussing were just couples living together without sexual relations then yes, they'd be considered nothing more than roommates. Of course this is not reality. Homosexuals desiring to be married do so for various reasons. Sure, they want to enjoy the same civil rights and privileges as heterosexual married couples. But don't civil unions provide the same rights and privileges regardless of the genders being joined? If not, then I would expect that soon they should be.

    On the other hand, marriage (at least as far as I am concerned) goes beyond "man's" law, it addresses the blessings from God as well. Here is where I object to homosexual marriages. And once this issue is "settled" that homosexuals shall be permitted to marry (or even through civil unions) in all 50 states (as I believe such issues to be state controlled rather than federally), it won't be long before plural unions/marriages will be adopted. Permitting marriage to be between other than between just one man and one woman WILL indeed open the door to all manner of situations. Or would homosexuals then object to unions of more than just couples? Clearly that would be hypocritical; if not, then how will they be able to justify such an objection?

    If this subject was just about "love" as some would want us to believe, then I'd have no problem. After all, there are quite a few men whom I love. But I don't desire a sexual relationship with any man. So let's not pretend that this is just about permitting people to love whomever they choose. It IS about sex; or do we now need to redefine what "sex" is along with the 90's redefining of "is?"

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:23 pm on Sun, May 4, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Perhaps not stuck in the left/right paradigm, but obviously entrapped in the Department of Redundancy Department. BTW - YOU should turn RIGHT, where you belong, in order to get out of it.

    "Often bringing up the Supreme Court's Obamacare decision?" Just when have I "often" brought that up? You must be confusing me with some other person that ruffles your feathers. I doubt that I have said anything about that more than once or twice.

    Why would I "ignore...US v. Windsor?" That ruling stated that the federal government CANNOT declare marriage ONLY between a man and a woman.

    And if you think THAT ruling violates the 10th Amendment, think again.

    YOU tell me WHY you think it does. Last I looked, the 10th Amendment states:

    " powers not granted to the federal government by the Constitution, nor prohibited to the States, are reserved to the States or the people."

    US v. Windsor was based on the 5th Amendment's "due process" clause, which IS A POWER GRANTED TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

    Since your rants are so random and nonsensical, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. And I'd bet a dollar that YOU will never clarify the ridiculous rant at any rate.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:04 am on Sun, May 4, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    So much for "Best to just place you on "IGNORE."[lol][lol][lol]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:08 pm on Sat, May 3, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    You have "ABSOLUTELY NO" COMMON SENSE.

    I'll stop providing references to "those who are stuck in the left/right paradigm" when those who are stuck in the false left/right paradigm stop confirming it's true.

    The 10th Amendment was established to protect state sovereignty and individual rights from being seized by the Federal Government Ms. Bobin. My "snide" comments are directed toward those on the "left" because it's those on the left" that can't seem to understand that the 10th Amendment was established to protect state sovereignty and individual rights from being seized by the Federal Government. If it were those on the "right" that couldn't seem to understand that the 10th Amendment was established to protect state sovereignty individual rights from being seized by the Federal Government my "snide" comments would be directed toward those on the "right."

    Ignoring the Supreme Court’s decision in United States v. Windsor but often bringing up the Supreme Court's Obamacare ruling is hypocrisy of the highest order. Claiming you are "curious" about anything I have to say while at the same time saying, "Best to just place you on "IGNORE" is hypocrisy of the highest order as well.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:47 pm on Sat, May 3, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich wrote: "It takes a special kind of hypocrisy to claim that you support the rights of women and gays, while at the same time you support and defend a culture that regards women as property. That special kind of hypocrisy is called Liberalism."

    Guess what, Mr. Liebich. That culture is also called the United States of America.

    From UNICEF: "In industrialized societies like the US, where institutions formally frown on gender violence, behaviour belies official pronouncements: rap music insulting women as ‘whores’; a popular men's magazine that celebrates gang rape and depicts female bodies being fed into meat grinders; sexual harassment of women trying to integrate into the armed forces; and societal pressures that induce young women to starve themselves or use technology to create ‘ideal’ bodies, often destroying their health in the process."

    And that's just a FEW of the ways men in the United States denigrate women - all the way to the Christian who stated words to the effect: "Women will have an abortion one day and the next day they are out getting pregnant again and repeating the process."

    Oh, yeah. That is a culture that treats women with respect!!

    [lol]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:22 pm on Fri, May 2, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich wrote: "I agree. I also find the hypocrisy liberals employ when deciding who is labeled anti-gay, specifically surrounding the same-sex marriage/traditional marriage debate."

    For someone who has claimed to NOT be stuck in the "left/right paradigm," I am curious why Mr. Liebich hypocritically LABELS which individuals are LEFT, making some snide comment about "liberals," and never are those on the RIGHT confronted about their opinions, which you claim are just as BAD as those on the left.

    This is hypocrisy of the highest order. And you REALLY can't talk your way out of this, Mr. Liebich - because you have ABSOLUTELY NO DEFENSE.

    YOU are RIGHT WING to the core - so please spare us any further references to "those who are stuck in the left/right paradigm."

    Best to just place you on "IGNORE."

    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:23 am on Fri, May 2, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    It takes a special kind of hypocrisy to claim that you support the rights of women and gays, while at the same time you support and defend a culture that regards women as property. That special kind of hypocrisy is called Liberalism.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:11 am on Fri, May 2, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The facts remain. You are unable to provide a single link substantiating your own position.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 10:04 am on Fri, May 2, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 423

    President Clinton may have signed DOMA into law (because he was facing an override of his veto) but he was NOT the originator of the bill.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:50 am on Fri, May 2, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Ms. Bobbin,

    Nice try. You just make yourself look that more foolish by implying he was referring to my posts as if I hate Muslims. And the fact you would minimize the negative effects Radical Muslims have on the normal Muslim population
    goes to show how out of touch you are.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:56 pm on Thu, May 1, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I agree. I also find the hypocrisy liberals employ when deciding who is labeled anti-gay, specifically surrounding the same-sex marriage/traditional marriage debate. The list of liberal politicians who supported the Defense of Marriage Act, including its originator, former President Bill Clinton cease to exist.
    [lol]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:46 am on Thu, May 1, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "And my Christian belief commands that I love them just as I love myself. But the acts of homosexuality is (sic) another matter altogether. It IS an affront to God. And that's simply the way it is for me."

    And this is where a Christian's mind goes when he or she thinks of or meets a gay individual or couple?

    Curious - when you meet a heterosexual friend or acquaintance - do you immediately get a picture in your head of what he or she has been doing in the bedroom? Or maybe what they have been watching on their computer? And of course, heterosexual porn is just great because, after all, it's between a "man and a woman." At least THAT is not "affront to God!"

    You certainly have a right to your beliefs, and hopefully your strange view of Christianity that allows you to judge others will land you where you want to go, but I'm seriously worried about you....REALLY!

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 4:49 pm on Wed, Apr 30, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2362

    Mr. Liebich - if only those who choose to remain ignorant about what others consider to be matters of fact were permitted to live and let live. But no, now if someone simply believes in something the far left liberals believe to be horrible, they must be literally destroyed. Soon there will be no room for free speech or even free thinking. Our nation is already in dire straits - whether or not the course can be corrected is seriously doubtful. And yet they cheer when someone loses everything just because they hold a different opinion about a subject.

    But I won't be persuaded or dissuaded - as a Christian I will ALWAYS believe that marriage should be between one man and one woman. No man/man, woman/woman or any other combination of "marriage" beyond two people each of differing genders.

    Do I hate homosexuals? Of course not. And my Christian belief commands that I love them just as I love myself. But the acts of homosexuality is another matter altogether. It IS an affront to God. And that's simply the way it is for me.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:39 pm on Wed, Apr 30, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Here's your hero, Saint Sarah, offending just about every religion in the world with her hate speech at the NRA convention.

    "When Sarah Palin commented, at this last week's national National Rifle Association convention, "...WATERBOARDING IS HOW WE BAPTIZE TERRORISTS," she did worse than offend, worse than degrade human beings, worse than stir up a group of weapon-advocates. She did so in the Name of God. The fact that the NRA would allow someone to promote fundamentalism at their convention is a violation of their civic responsibility and a threat to human rights on a national scale.

    Most faith traditions incorporate water's restorative power. The Muslim ritual ablution of Wudu, the Jewish Mikveh ritual bath, the Hindu ritual immersions in the River Ganges, and the Christian practice of baptism, each point to renewal, transformation, and life. How dare the NRA tolerate -- worse, amplify -- hatred garbed in religious symbolism."

    btw - THIS STORY WAS WRITTEN BY A RABBI so you can't accuse me promulgating anti-Christian nonsense like you love to do.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:31 pm on Wed, Apr 30, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich wrote:

    FACT #1
    You are unable to provide a single link because in reality there weren't 200 websites that ran the same story and CNN and MSNBC never aired such a story. YOU LIED.

    FACT #2
    Our story about Reid was NOT "nonsense" and a "DUD". YOU LIED.

    Aside from the FACT that you have broken Rule #4 by calling me a liar - which is something you do on a regular basis when you have nothing better to say to defend your false comments - try Googling "Harry Reid behind cattle round-up" and see how many results you get. I got more than a dozen pages - all with DIFFERENT websites reporting the same nonsense as Infowars. You can't say I lied about seeing video the day before because you have no clue what was shown on CNN or MSNBC. YOU can't PROVE I DIDN'T see it.

    The story was a DUD. The man is a criminal and an ignorant racist who deserves to be put in jail for sponging off the federal government for 20 years and not paying the million dollars he owes.

    Or is THAT going to be YOUR defense when you get arrested for something? - claim that "you don't believe" in whatever authority it is that is arresting you.

    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:22 pm on Wed, Apr 30, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Finally Mr. Liebich says something intelligent about the ridiculousness of Mr. Doctor's multiple ridiculous posts in which he pretends to NOT hate Muslims. That's a lot of hate to spread around since there are at least 1.6 Billion of them in the world.

    What's he going to do when his kids go to college and have multitudes of Muslims as classmates? Oh - that's right - there's always the Christian College route. No Muslims, no drugs (good luck with that), no sex (good luck with that, also)

    Hope they don't catch any Muslim cooties!! Or gay cooties - or any of the other numerous things you hate.

    [lol]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:01 am on Wed, Apr 30, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I already did!!! [sleeping]

    FACT #1
    You are unable to provide a single link because in reality there weren't 200 websites that ran the same story and CNN and MSNBC never aired such a story. YOU LIED.

    FACT #2
    Our story about Reid was NOT "nonsense" and a "DUD". YOU LIED.
    http://youtu.be/uqQRhJjS0ww

    These are the FACTS as anyone with an above room temperature IQ can clearly see.[sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:47 am on Wed, Apr 30, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Really? Tell us the "facts" as YOU see them, Mr. Liebich.

    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:21 am on Wed, Apr 30, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "If one's opinion is that they choose to remain ignorant about matters of fact then so be it."[rolleyes]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:20 am on Wed, Apr 30, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/04/chaldean-patriarch-in-10-years-time-there-will-only-be-a-few-thousand-christians-left-in-iraq


    Walter Sieruk
    April 29, 2014 at 1:40 pm
    It’s not so much the question “Was Muhammad a prophet?” It’s better stated “Was Muhammad a prophet sent by God or was Muhammad a false prophet sent by Satan to lead many people astray?” After all Jesus did warn “Beware of false prophet which comes to you in sheep’s clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves.” Matthew 7:15. The Bible further warns that “many false prophets are gone forth into the world.” First John 4:1. To give the acid test if a prophet, teacher, or religion is teaching truth of falsehoods is if the prophet, teacher or religion has teaching and doctrines that are in according to God’s Word, the Bible. That if a person or religion has teachings and doctrines that are in contradiction to God’s Word then that prophet, teacher or religion is false. As Isaiah 8:20. explains “To the law of the testimony : If they speak not according to the word , it is because there is no light in them.” [KJV] Islam denies that Jesus is the Son of God. This is in contrast to the Bible which teaches that Jesus is indeed the Son of God, John 3:16, 17, and 36. First John 2:22, 23. Likewise. Islam denies that Jesus is God the Son. In contrast to Islam the Bible teaches that Jesus is God the God. As seen in Hebrews 1:6-8 with emphasis on verse 8. Furthermore, Islam denies that Jesus is God. This is in strong contradiction to the Bible which teaches that Jesus is God. As shown, for example, in John 1:1-3. Romans 9:5. Colossians 1:15-17. First John 5:20. Second Peter 1; 1. Titus 2:13. Moreover, by comparing the Old Testament with the New Testament will further show that Jesus is God, As in by comparing Isaiah 45:22,23. With Philippians 2:5-11. Will show Jesus is God. Also by comparing Psalm 89:8,9. With Matthew 8:23-27 will further confirm Jesus to be God. Even by comparing the New Testament book together will confirm Jesus to be God. As in John 5:22 with Romans 14:12 will show Jesus to be God. The list can go on but this should be enough. The imams and mullahs will try to “explain” this all away by claiming that Christians had corrupted the Bible through time. This claim greatly underestimates the power of God to preserve His Word in time and keep it intact and away from the corruption of men. In conclusion, Muhammad was a false prophet and Islam is a false religion, Proverbs 14:12. John 14:6.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:11 pm on Tue, Apr 29, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Zealot” is a fast-paced demolition of the core beliefs that Christianity has taught about Jesus for 2,000 years. Its conclusions are long-held Islamic claims—namely, that Jesus was a zealous prophet type who didn’t claim to be God, that Christians have misunderstood him, and that the Christian Gospels are not the actual words or life of Jesus but “myth.”

    These claims are not new or unique. They are hundreds of years old among Muslims. Sadly, readers who have listened to interviews on NPR, "The Daily Show," Huffington Post or MSNBC may pick up the book expecting an unbiased and historic report on Jesus and first century Jewish culture. (I will let my Jewish friends address Aslan’s statement on MSNBC that, “there were certainly a lot of Jewish terrorists in first century Palestine.”)

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:59 pm on Tue, Apr 29, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Why millions of Muslims are leaving Islam:

    Because they have at last decided to read islamic scriptures and the biography of mohammed with an open and critical mind instead of listening to so-called islamic scholars who lie about what the scriptures ACTUALLY say and/or twist, massage, distort, contort meanings of verses.

    Islam self-destructs .... seriously.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:30 pm on Tue, Apr 29, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850


    Mr Houdack stated:

    But that is not the reality we see, we see only mortals claiming to speak on behalf of "God", telling the gullible and desperate what they want to hear.

    -Hmm,
    sounds like what Mohammad was up to.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:24 pm on Tue, Apr 29, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Ms. Bobbin is up in arms with people who are critical of islam. she even goes as far as concluding they are haters of Islam because of this.

    REALITY CHECK MS. BOBBIN!

    Millions of Muslims are critical of Islam and are staunch proponents of it's eventual refirmation. But because of people like you who are advancing the notion it is not politically corect to be critical of Islam it makes the process of refirmation that much slower. The Radical Muslims have you on their side whether you realize it or not.

     
  • Rick Houdack posted at 6:23 pm on Tue, Apr 29, 2014.

    Rick Houdack Posts: 177

    To hand over control of our government "to god", as suggested by Arnold Beglau, would certainly bring about the final destruction of this nation, the destruction desperately longed for by conservatives for a generation. They will be satisfied when only ash and ruin remain.

    We have seen again and again the result when government power is usurped by nihilistic religious clerics who claim to speak and act on behalf of their "god". There is no possibility of a good outcome.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:18 am on Tue, Apr 29, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1587

    [thumbup]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:46 am on Tue, Apr 29, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Next thing Ms. Bobbin is going to tell us is the debate on Radical Islam is over because it's really the Radical Christian's fault.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:43 am on Tue, Apr 29, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Ms. Bobbin,

    Speaking of hatred.
    Do you hate everyone who disagrees with the tenants of Islam?
    Not very Christian as far as I'm concerned.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:39 am on Tue, Apr 29, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Paglia wrote: "So why is it ok for "Liberals" or Left-wing individuals to call people names if they disagree with them?

    No need to answer we all know why it is fine for you to call people names."

    Answer #1: Because it breaks my heart to see otherwise intelligent women accepting cash in exchange for trashing an individual's reputation simply because the television station they work for tells them to.

    Answer #2: I know you dislike me because I have made comments in the past that, although truthful, have been disparaging of the Catholic Church (which you adore) regarding the molestation of children.

    But maybe you didn't think I would notice that AT LEAST on TWO occasions YOU have trashed a man, Ron Arthur to be specific, for having TRADITIONAL views of the Catholic Church and regrets that certain modern ideas have been inculcated in its philosophy. Therefore, I give you YOUR comments about Mr. Arthur that I really find hypocritical and sad - not to mention the NAME-CALLING involved:

    On March 29, 2014: Mr. Paglia wrote in response to a Religion letter from Ron Arthur: "Spoken like a true Pharisees."

    On March 1, 2014, Mr. Paglis wrote in response to a Religion letter from Ron Arthur: "It strikes me that Mr. Arthur was born in the wrong era. He would have been vary happy back in Jesus' age as a Sadducees. Yes, Mr. Arthur would definitely have been very happy as a Sadducees."

    Now, I wonder why YOU cannot accept comments critical to the Catholic Church, but feel empowered to ridicule a man who, obviously, has greater faith than yourself?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:36 am on Tue, Apr 29, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Translation:
    I am unable to provide a single link because in reality there weren't 200 websites that ran the same story and CNN and MSNBC never aired such a story. I LIED.

    P.S. If our story about Reid was "nonsense" and a "DUD" how do you explain the facts that followed it Ms. Bobin? Never mind. I already know. "If one's opinion is that they choose to remain ignorant about matters of fact then so be it."
    [rolleyes]

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqQRhJjS0ww&list=UUittVh8imKanO_5KohzDbpg&feature=share&index=4
    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:21 pm on Mon, Apr 28, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    From Andrew Liebich's post @ 10:00AM, Saturday, April 26th:

    "Andrew Liebich posted at 5:29 pm on Tue, Apr 15, 2014.

    Another unsubstantiated lie."

    I think, Mr. Liebich, you are mixing the incorrect adjective with your noun here.

    If you are declaring my statement a lie, then it could not possibly be an "unsubstantiated lie." A lie is a lie. That's like using a double negative.

    But in your zeal to prove that your fake boss posted the story first, you are just getting confused and are running in circles.

    The point here is not actually who reported it first - I said I saw it on 2 news programs the day before. I am no way going to search the Internet for them.

    The POINT is that your BIG STORY about government overreach and some nonsense about Harry Reid was A DUD!!! And all YOU can do is go back to who said it first.

    Even most of militia members who came to defend this criminal have abandoned him after they found out what the real story was and they ran even faster after the racist comments came out of his mouth.

    THAT is the story - not Kindergarten contests about who reported it first.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 12:14 pm on Mon, Apr 28, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2048

    "I have found that so-called “conservative,” or more properly “right-wing,” individuals make a habit of name-calling those with whom they disagree."

    "Just like the bimbo on FOX News who interviewed the author about his latest book"


    So why is it ok for "Liberals" or Left-wing individuals to call people names if they disagree with them?

    No need to answer we all know why it is fine for you to call people names.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:04 pm on Mon, Apr 28, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Ignorance and denial is essential to being a liberal. [thumbup]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:57 am on Mon, Apr 28, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Liberal logic: "If one's opinion is that they choose to remain ignorant about matters of fact then so be it."
    [lol]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:12 am on Mon, Apr 28, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Here's a nice little book you Islam haters might like to read. Though I imagine that you all: 1) Don't have the capability of reading non-fiction historical literature, and 2) Won't WANT to read it, and 3) Wouldn't believe a word of it anyway.

    "No god but God, the origin, evolution and future of Islam," by Reza Aslan.

    Just like the bimbo on FOX News who interviewed the author about his latest book, "Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth."

    She actually asked him why HE, as a Muslim, thought he had any right to write a book about Jesus. After repeating multiple times that he has multiple degrees in religious history and RELIGION (all religions) is his JOB as an academic, the FOX interviewer still wanted to know why he THOUGHT he could write about Jesus. She couldn't comprehend it.

    That woman is proof that there are actually morons in influential places in this country and they actually have an audience that eats up their stupidity.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:00 am on Mon, Apr 28, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [thumbup]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:59 am on Mon, Apr 28, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Now we know that their knowledge of Islam comes from bumper stickers and from their own bigoted, ignorant minds.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:57 am on Mon, Apr 28, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Old news now. Who REALLY cares - except YOU, Mr. Liebich.

    Love your ridiculous tactics - hash and rehash - never anything new.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:58 am on Mon, Apr 28, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    I have a great idea. Why don't all you "feel good" LIBERALS don a T-Shirt that says "Proud Christian" on the front and back and go march around downtown Tehran for a few days. Let me know how that works out for ya.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:55 am on Mon, Apr 28, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    Deniers gotta deny!
    [thumbdown]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:35 am on Mon, Apr 28, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    Bobbin posted "I guess when they say that ignorance is a choice, it REALLY is true."
    Yep, LIBERALS prove that on a daily basis. Ignorance and denial is their claim to fame.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:33 am on Mon, Apr 28, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Mr. Houdack,

    What Koran are you reading? Because, everyone of these myths of Islam have been verified.


    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Myths-of-Islam.htm

    Islam Means 'Peace'

    Islam respects Women as Equals

    Jihad Means 'Inner Struggle'

    Islam is a Religion of Peace

    Islam is Tolerant of Other Religions

    Islam Facilitated a 'Golden Age' of Scientific Discovery

    Islam is Opposed to Slavery

    Islam is Incompatible with Terrorism

    Islam is a Democracy

    The Quran is the Muslim Counterpart to the Bible

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:47 am on Mon, Apr 28, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    Liberal/Progressive? The LNS is obviously a conservative paper any censoring done and I agree they have ruined this forum was done by your friendly conservative editor although I don't blame you for not wanting to own it.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 7:01 am on Mon, Apr 28, 2014.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Joe, didn't President Clinton bomb Iraq in 1998 using the excuse that Saddam had WMD's and was a threat to his neighbors??

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 9:28 am on Sun, Apr 27, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 1144

    Haters gotta hate!

    [thumbdown]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:24 am on Sun, Apr 27, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I'm still waiting Ms. Bobin. If there are "200" websites, a CNN video and an MSNBC video why are you unable to provide a single link?

    "200 websites all ran the same story"
    [whistling]

    "Actually, I saw video of this same story on both CNN and MSNBC"
    [whistling]

     
  • Rick Houdack posted at 9:49 pm on Sat, Apr 26, 2014.

    Rick Houdack Posts: 177

    Brian Dockter, you have never read (or comprehended) a word of the Koran. Islam is an off-shoot if Judaism and has much in common with Christianity. Your statements and those of J. Kinderman reveal your lack of knowledge on all three religions.

     
  • Rick Houdack posted at 9:44 pm on Sat, Apr 26, 2014.

    Rick Houdack Posts: 177

    If communications were being received from an omnipotent creator being, there would be no misunderstanding; the directives would be clearly understood by all people living on the planet in all languages. But that is not the reality we see, we see only mortals claiming to speak on behalf of "God", telling the gullible and desperate what they want to hear. Arnold Beglau's misguided advice to follow some charletan is pathetic. This nation was created by clear thinking enlightened visionaries and was entrusted to future generations to maintain and improve, not to be thrown away in a moment of stupidity.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 2:05 pm on Sat, Apr 26, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    In fact. Just about everything in the Koran is the antithesis of what's in the Christian Bible and the Jewish Torah.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 2:03 pm on Sat, Apr 26, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Ms. Bobbin, In reference to your comment on Muslim's acknowledging Christ. Hardly is that an endorsement of him and a belief in his teacings.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:09 am on Sat, Apr 26, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Nice to know you live your life according to "bumper stickers," Baxxter.

    I guess when they say that ignorance is a choice, it REALLY is true.

    "Christian..." [lol]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:06 am on Sat, Apr 26, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [lol]

    If one's opinion is that they choose to remain ignorant about matters of fact (and I know we'll here from our favorite CT about "matters of fact"), then so be it.

    As they say - if one chooses NOT to learn - they cannot be force fed.

    And to blame what one considers the "downfall" of the comment section on "liberalism/progressivism," ditto.

    Chow, Mr. Kinderman!

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:00 am on Sat, Apr 26, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I asked you to substantiate two of your previous lies and I provided the link but OK I'll remind you...

    LIE #1 "Inforwars and about 200 websites all ran the same story. How do you PROVE that "we" had it first? You can't!"

    LIE#2 "Actually, I saw video of this same story on both CNN and MSNBC on Friday night as both sides were gearing up for the confrontation."

    Joanne Bobin posted at 9:12 am on Sun, Apr 13, 2014.

    "...Meanwhile we break yet another national news story.

    http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/"

    WE???

    Inforwars and about 200 websites all ran the same story. How do you PROVE that "we" had it first? You can't!

    Andrew Liebich posted at 7:23 pm on Sun, Apr 13, 2014.

    Of course I can.

    Google can tell the date/time when a web page was first published on the Web Ms. Bobin.

    Step 1. Go to google.com and copy-paste the full URL of the web page in the search box along with the inurl: operator (e.g. inurl:www.example.com). Hit enter.

    Step 2. Now go to your browser address bar (Ctrl+L in Firefox or Alt+D in Internet Explorer) and copy-paste “&as_qdr=y15″ at the end of the Google search URL. Hint enter again.

    Step 3. Google will load the results again and this time, you’ll see the actual publication date of the web page next to the title in Google search results.

    With that said, it's time for YOU to "PROVE" we didn't break the story.

    Please provide 1 link that pre-dates ours.

    YOU CAN'T!

    Joanne Bobin posted at 1:25 pm on Mon, Apr 14, 2014.

    Actually, I saw video of this same story on both CNN and MSNBC on Friday night as both sides were gearing up for the confrontation.

    Andrew Liebich posted at 5:29 pm on Tue, Apr 15, 2014.

    Another unsubstantiated lie.



     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:23 am on Sat, Apr 26, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850


    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/muhammad/myths-mu-hudaibiya.htm


    The dual ethics of Islam are ingrained in the faith, including the disparate treatment of unbelievers. It should be no surprise that Muhammad held others to standards by which he was personally unwilling to abide. In this case, he was the first to violate the treaty of Hudaibiya. Thus did he establish an example for his followers: a promise to non-Muslims is not obligatory for the believer.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:18 am on Sat, Apr 26, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    Poor Eric, still believes that BUSH lied about a reason to take out Saddam Hussein. That's exactly what the liberal stooges want you to believe. The intel available, and EVERYONE in Congress was privy to read it, not just Bush, was overwhelming.
    Your idol John Kerry:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXwCrpMHkYc
    Your idol Killary Kliinton:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSu0zXCR9sE

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:18 am on Sat, Apr 26, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850


    Timeline of Muhammad's Life (A.D)

    570 - Born in Mecca
    576 - Orphaned upon death of mother
    595 - Marries Kadijah - older, wealthy widow
    610 - Reports first revelations from angel at age of 40
    619 - Protector uncle dies
    622 - Emigrates from Mecca to Medina (the Hijra)
    623 - Orders raids on Meccan caravans
    624 - Battle of Badr (victory)
    624 - Evicts Qaynuqa Jews from Medina
    624 - Orders the assassination of Abu Afak
    624 - Orders the assassination of Asma bint Marwan
    624 - Orders the assassination of Ka'b al-Ashraf
    625 - Battle of Uhud (defeat)
    625 - Evicts Nadir Jews
    627 - Battle of the Trench (victory)
    627 - Massacre of the Qurayza Jews
    628 - Signing of the Treaty of Hudaibiya with Mecca
    628 - Destruction and subjugation of the Khaybar Jews
    629 - Orders first raid into Christian lands at Muta (defeat)
    630 - Conquers Mecca by surprise (along with other tribes)
    631 - Leads second raid into Christian territory at Tabuk (no battle)
    632 - Dies

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:12 am on Sat, Apr 26, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Obviously Ms. Bobbin is unaware or refuses to consider the driving force in Islamic culture is it's political ideologies and NOT it's religious ideologies.
    Perhaps she should take a refresher course on Muhommad. Had he not used the totalitarian aspects of Islam to gain followers, the religion/cult would have just withered away. Frankly, I highly doubt this God Muslims worship is a totalitarian.
    This idea that Allah is is soley the doings of Muhammad and his followers. Of course his followers will argue until the end of time the Koran is a direct chanel from Allah. Based on the way women are treated under Shariah Law, one could conclude Allah is a male chauvinist. Not very Godlike to me.

     
  • Rick Houdack posted at 8:06 am on Sat, Apr 26, 2014.

    Rick Houdack Posts: 177

    There is little agreement among people who are convinced they are being guided by "God", so he is either telling his fan base different things or most of them are not actually receiving instructions from beyond. Or, most likely, none of them are. If we are, as a society, going to make it a better society, it will be through the continued efforts of humans, not by imagining what Zeus, Rah, Allah, Yahweh, Mars or any other phantom deity from our primitive past would want us to do.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:45 pm on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2362

    Whether or not I might be in the minority makes no difference to me. Since this is an opinion-based forum I think I should be able to offer an opinion that puts me at odds with others. After all, until recently when the editing powers at the LNS decided to take upwards of 18 hours to post comments here, it was often fun to argue with those who were able to engage in spirited debate while still remaining respectful. Sadly, aside from a scant few there's not too many on the opposite side that I find it fun or interesting to engage. My guess is that soon - along with the actual newsprint version of the News-Sentinel - this forum will simply die off. I've found other comments sections elsewhere, but because they're not local it isn't the same as what this one used to be. Oh well. This is what liberalism/progressivism does.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:13 pm on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    Poor Bobbin, all she listens to, watches or reads is liberal propaganda. No wonder she is so misinformed. Must be easy going through life believing everything the liberals want you to believe with absolutely no incentive to seek the TRUTH. Believing the inept liar in the White House must give liberals a special kind of euphoria.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:07 pm on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    Eric Barrow, perhaps you could channel your "higher power" to come up with the list of successful liberal programs. Still waiting.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:44 pm on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    Bobbin, I read a bumper sticker the other day that said:
    “I learned all I need to know about Muslims on 9-11-2001”
    Pretty much sums it up, eh?
    You can condone the murderous butchers acts if you like, millions of Christian Americans know better.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:46 pm on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Which of your lies do you want ME to substantiate for you, Mr. Liebich?

    Remind me.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:26 pm on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I'm still waiting for you to substantiate your two previous lies and now you want to add more... [lol]

    http://www.lodinews.com/opinion/letters/article_230609f3-d72e-5397-a3ff-983158ecc6a5.html

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:16 am on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    That's right Jeff my mistake, Arnold threw me off

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:15 am on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    My mistake Jerome, sorry about that your not fond of Indonesia but the rest of my statement holds true

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:13 am on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    "almost every member of Congress supported the wars based upon the information that was available at the time."
    That information was provided by the Bush administration, talk about liars.

    "actually I don't know what their excuse is."
    Most crimes have a motive, the fact that you can't think of one might be because non were committed and Darrell I'm sorry for you that your world gets worse and worse it's a shame you can't appreciate the wonderful place you live in maybe you should try Indonesia again

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:44 am on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Good catch, Mr. Tillett! I didn't even notice that - being blinded as I was by the ridiculousness of this letter.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:42 am on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "This leaves the Islamic god (lower case intentional) as I don't believe theirs to be the same as the one I believe in (the Father of Jesus Christ)."

    Seriously? You are definitely in a minority, Mr. Kinderman. Just because you dislike Muslims doesn't give you the right to determine WHO their God is. Have you EVER taken a course in religion - that is other than Christian Bible study?

    I recommend it highly.

    FYI - even Muslims consider Jesus Christ to have existed and that he was a prophet sent by God and was the product of a virgin birth.

    Once again - I think you should, at the very least, consult your spiritual adviser - that is unless HE/SHE is the one feeding you this nonsense.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:59 pm on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2362

    Mr. Paglia, the Protestant, Catholic and Jewish God are one and the same. And since Mr. Beglau referred to but one (singular) God, I can only assume he also meant the same one held by the first three religions in your list. This leaves the Islamic god (lower case intentional) as I don't believe theirs to be the same as the one I believe in (the Father of Jesus Christ).

    As far as who should or should not be the President of the United States, there is no limitation other than what is spelled out in the Constitution - and nowhere does it state that one's religious faith to be a precluding factor. Of course it's We the People who are supposed to make the decision. And if they wish to vote for (or against) anyone based upon anything they choose (including religion, creed, race, gender, etc.) that is who will be the President of the United States.

    I would have rather you'd use the word "leading" rather than "ruling" as you were describing why you think a powerful religious leader shouldn't be president. But what about someone who is not a "powerful" religious leader, but just someone who believes on a personal level? Would you feel the same about someone like that; or do you believe that any amount of serious faith should keep someone out of the White House?

    There's an adage that goes like this: If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. Here's where I look for qualities in leadership - and these things that they stand for should be gleaned throughout the nearly two years prior to each presidential election. Of course I don't want anyone who leads by just their religious beliefs - as our nation's CEO, they take an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. When we have someone who cherishes our history and that very important document chock full of wonderful ideas, and bolsters it through their firm belief in something greater than themselves, well perhaps we might actually have someone special trying to lead this great nation of over 300 million souls.

    I don't look for perfection - but I DO expect integrity and honesty to be their hallmarks. Our previous president was accused of lying in order to get us to go to war with not only Afghanistan, but especially Iraq. Yet almost every member of Congress supported the wars based upon the information that was available at the time. And his predecessor also vehemently believed that Saddam Hussein not only possessed WMD's, but actually used them against his own people - which he actually did.

    Now we have a president who has lied to us - over and over again - and doesn't seem to care. And because I personally don't believe that he has much faith in anything greater in himself, he can go on lying with impunity. After all, neither Congress or the media cares much about his veracity. With Clinton it was "only about sex." With Obama it's . . . actually I don't know what their excuse is.

    The thing is I just know we're in a world of hurt as a nation, and it seems to only get worse with each passing event. And when any president brags about getting around Congress simply because he has a pen and a phone, it proves beyond any doubt that he has little (if any) respect for the Constitution. These things combined mean we actually do have a president who would rather "rule" than "lead."

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 9:19 pm on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 551

    Actually, there are only 9 US Supreme Court Justices.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:41 pm on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    As Mr. Paglia stated, "who's (sic) God would that be?" Yours, Ms. Gooden?

    You do know about the First Amendment, right?

    Black robe brigade? You DO know that these were religious thugs, right?

    A Glenn Beck devotee. So sad.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:33 pm on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Tsk, tsk, tsk, Ed.

    One must ask, "What twisted reality do these people think they are living in?"

    Oh, that's right - the FOX News reality in which one moronic "news" host (an another - a so-called "man of god," i.e. Huckabee) supports a lawless individual who:

    -doesn't recognize the federal government.
    -wraps himself in the flag of the nation he claims doesn't exist.
    -claims he recognizes the laws of the state he lives in - but DOESN'T.
    -doesn't want to pay his bills - essentially a thief.
    -has the support of "militia" whose strategy is to put "women and children" at the forefront so "when they get shot and killed by government agents, the nation will know how lawless our government is."
    -and thinks that "the Negroes were better off under slavery."

    Wonder what your not-so-secret crush - Megyn, thinks of that, eh, Ed?

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 11:43 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    the old dog Posts: 580

    Arnold: Your last line [thumbup]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:33 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    Arnold you do understand that the original Founding Fathers established through Article 1 of the constitution how many representatives there would be from each state? Were you also aware that during the Reagan era there were 435 Representatives, 100 Senators and 12 Supreme Court Judges?

     
  • Linda Gooden posted at 9:12 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Linda Kay Posts: 3

    I agree with Arnold Beglau, I only pray we have not gone too far astray. If our nation does not repent and return to the God who created it, we could be finished. Most of us are still asleep and think, "It could never happen in America." Wake up before it's too late. It is happening right in front of our eyes. Worst of all, our churches are afraid to stand. Wish we had another Black Robe Brigade in our time.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 7:09 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2048

    And who’s “God” would that be? The Protestant God, Catholic God, Jewish God, Buddhist gods, Islamic God?

    It would probably shock most who I have argued with in the past, but I don’t think a powerful religious leader should be the President, ruling with the Dogma of their faith. I would RATHER have a leader who is HONEST, LOYAL to America and its citizens first, Charismatic, and NOT there for the power of the office but love of the country. Unfortunately, Obama is only charismatic off that list. It is not just him and the Democrats though. Republicans are just as bad with the people they run for President. All about how much power they can grab. That is why I now vote third Party.

     

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