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Posted: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 12:00 am

Being a college student as well as a concerned citizen, I regularly find myself asking the same question: What is wrong with Washington? After questioning many of my colleagues and observing the political process, I have come up with my own conclusion. Brace yourself: The problem is not those in Washington, the problem is us. We the people. The American electorate has turned away from principles and towards partisan politics.

We look back to 2001 and the Patriot Act and we remember the outcry from the left calling President Bush a tyrant for violating our right to privacy and allowing the government to monitor and trace nearly every aspect of modern communication. Only a few affiliates of the Republican Party were outspoken dissenters of this legislation.

The troubling aspect of this episode is its reoccurrence and the reversal of roles. In past weeks we uncovered the NSA’s PRISM system, which is used to gain access to the private communication of users from nine popular Internet services, including Google, YouTube, Yahoo and Facebook. Now we hear from those on the right arguing over practically the same case, yet this time they have become the outspoken critics while those on the left quietly sit back.

Supporters of both the Republican Party and Democratic Party have dismounted their own individual convictions and fallen victim to party politics. Democrats and Republicans are easily influenced to support partisan policy if it is labeled as a liberal policy or conservative policy. There appears to be an absence of conscious individual deliberation. Maybe it is simply a lack of concern for public affairs.

Where are those who examine, question and analyze? We have allowed the inexcusably poor efforts by legislators across the country become the norm. I believe it fair to classify the American electorate as apathetic and unprincipled.

Lincoln Boyd

Lodi

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58 comments:

  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:27 pm on Thu, Jul 11, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2826

    Mr Adams stated:

    That generation of the GOP switched over the next 10 -20 years to their present standard of hating anyone who wasn't just like them.

    -Are you referring to them as in the case that there are far more Black Republicans who hold a political office than Black Democrats?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:11 pm on Thu, Jul 11, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2826

    Social justice is idiocy. Have you not studied it's inherent disfunctionalities. You libs want equality no matter how much it affects society as a whole.
    Republicans want nothing of it . Same sex marriage is a perfect example. It doesn't matter to you libs how much it affects the moral compass of society. Just as long as you get your way and keep on believing in the myth called Utopia. I do recall you speaking of domestic partnerships. Well, than why the he*l doesn't all the gays try to get all the same advantages as male-female married couples get without demanding society lower it's standards by re-defining marriage? It's downright selfishness on the gays part. I have very little if any patience for people who's agenda is so self-centered.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:42 pm on Thu, Jul 11, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2826

    I did attend a trade school but didn't finish. I don't recall much if any politics as one of the subject matters the students or the teachers talked about. But that's besides the point.

    From a statisitcal standpoint there are far more schools that have a liberal staff than conservative. It is well known if you are a conservative teacher at a mostly liberal college if you want to keep your job keep your mouth shut about your political preference. The same probably goes for conservative colleges but not to the same extent as liberal colleges. Conservatives tend to be more willing to debate and hear the other sides POV than to attempt to demonize their opposition. Now, according to you there is no such thing as liberal indoctrination at colleges. That's about as ridiculous as saying there is no conservative indoctrination in colleges. So, are you willing to admit you are wrong or are you going to be ridiculous and state you're convinced it's only conservative indoctrinatiion that is present at colleges conservative and liberal?

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:34 pm on Thu, Jul 11, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1372

    "I'm sure you're jumpiing for joy about the Republican Party about to undertake a “rebranding” by unfolding its “Big Tent” strategy again. A vision that includes gay marriage, dual citizens, and the entitlement addicted."

    I don't care what the republican party strategies are. Time is long past, and like other recent endeavors, it will fail. No one is going to join up because the party that is heavily trying to recruit them includes about 1/2 of it's membership who is trying to kick them out of the country.

    "Last I looked it was Conservatives who were the authors of the Civil Rights Act. But you have every right to consider this an archaic atitude." No, it was that generation of the republican party which authored most of the Civil Rights Act. That generation of the GOP switched over the next 10 -20 years to their present standard of hating anyone who wasn't just like them. Here on this board we have gone over this many times in the past couple of years.

    Let's just call you another angry, ignorant, bitter member (or former member) of what used to be able to be called the "Grand Old Party". Maybe a new name could include something about hating everyone but their white, privileged, selves. But fewer numbers mean you can climb the ladder faster now.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:53 pm on Thu, Jul 11, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Feel good ideas like tolerance and social justice?"

    Maybe you should be talking to the Pope right now and see what HE thinks about your idiocy?

    The Republican Party proved today that it HAS NO tolerance or social justice with its vote on the Farm Bill.

    May they rot in hell.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:05 pm on Thu, Jul 11, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Well, I suppose that if you had ever attended college, Mr. Dockter, you might agree with me.

    And why have you NOT taken Mr. Chapman to task for HIS blanket statement that the MAJORITY of college professors indoctrinate their students in liberalism?

    At least I was giving an example from personal experience while Mr. Chapman was talking out of his posterior.

    Just goes to show what a blind follower of the ignorant you are.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:22 am on Thu, Jul 11, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2826

    Mr. Adams,

    Rarely do people like you consider the long-term costs of “feel good” ideas like tolerance and social justice. Instead of acknowledging these failures and working to correct the damage they have caused, I'm sure you're jumpiing for joy about the Republican Party about to undertake a “rebranding” by unfolding its “Big Tent” strategy again. A vision that includes gay marriage, dual citizens, and the entitlement addicted. Big money influences have laid down the law and Republican lackeys are bowing to not only their demands but people like you. You can put a feather in your cap Mr. Adams.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:02 am on Thu, Jul 11, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2826

    Mr Adams Stated:

    The archaic attitudes displayed by conservatives, along with their misplaced anger toward those who don't feel and act like them, results in a deeper grave into which the GOP will be laid.

    -Chuckle,

    Last I looked it was Conservatives who were the authors of the Civil Rights Act. But you have every right to consider this an archaic atitude. And to add, unlike Sharpton, Jackson and their ilk on the left. Conservatives are opposed to race hustling. And you have every right to consider this opposition an archaic attitude.
    Oh, one more thing. If Conservatives spent their time demonizing Liberals too we might see a different perception of things. So for now, until Liberals get on board with Conservatives and actually participate in doing something about the problems in this country things will only get worse because they are way too busy demonizing Conservatives.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:33 pm on Wed, Jul 10, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2826

    Mr. Adams, It is clear from your remarks you have, literally, no information or accurate knowledge about what happens in classrooms or schools at the K-12 level or college. Your statements are literally broad, sweeping cliches that have been stated over and over (ad nauseam and incorrectly) since the 60's. Your insistence and devout like reliance on actually shows that it is YOU that has been indoctrinated by YOUR Liberal idols for quite a long while. You should give them credit. Look at the wonderful job they have done....turning what might have been a knowledgeable, critical thinking man into a bitter and ignorant puppet, blindly repeating over and over the same LIBERAL mantra.

    I feel sorry for you.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:27 pm on Wed, Jul 10, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2826

    Ms. Bobin stated:

    FYI, Mr. Chapman, I have taken at least one class per semester for the past several years and I can tell you first hand that none of the professors even approached the topic of politics, left or right, nor did they put any liberal "spin" on the topic of the course. Most are there to teach their subjects, not indoctrinate future followers of liberalism.

    -Once again we see Ms. Bobin proclaiming since it didn't happen when she was present or she never heard of such a thing it must not exist.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 8:48 pm on Wed, Jul 10, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1372

    Maybe what you are calling "indoctrination" is actually presenting more than one side of how an issue is perceived. Apparently in your case, only one side was presented and you (having developed no critical thinking skill) hungrily lapped it up.

    Maybe you should watch some movies about communist china or the Soviet Union. Seems you favor one side of an issue, the one you think is correct. These are classic brainwashing techniques. If you paid more attention in what ever "college" you attended you would be a better informed person or voter. Alas, that ship sailed long ago and sorry for the crew and passengers, you seem to be its' navigator.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:48 pm on Wed, Jul 10, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "he has already confessed to departing his liberal ideology in the classroom."

    "departing?" I'm sure you meant "imparting." Perhaps you need a little brush up on the education that emphasized academia, Mr. Chapman.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 9:47 am on Wed, Jul 10, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1372

    Unfortunately, your pick and choose method of rebuttal has failed you again. I'm not sure where you got your information on teacher unions and charter schools, but in general, in California, teachers at charter schools belong to a union. It might even be the same union that represents teachers in the district which supervises them.

    Also, charter schools get their funding from local school districts which in the end, have oversight of their futures. Some charter schools in our area have been dissolved by their parent districts due to poor performance, but mostly mismanagement. There was a case in Stockton just last fall of one of your precious charter schools folding before the doors even opened due to fiscal mismanagement. Students had to find slots in their "public schools" because they were the only places left that had to take them (assuming they live in the schools attendance area). Many students lost more than a month of school as a result.

    Your assertion that you have never met a charter school teacher who is in a union doesn't really surprise me. This seems to differ from an earlier post where you made the statement: " I never said charter schools educators aren't part of any bargaining unit. Some are some aren't. " So is it "some" aren't in a union, or "some" are in a union?
    Is "some" a "majority" as stated above, or is "some" as you used it earlier?
    How are you using "some" and "majority"? Could you provide an accurate numerical value to each term that agrees with your post above and your post below, where "some" and "majority" are used?

    I doubt you know any teachers, public, charter, or private, based on your total and utter contempt for teachers in general. Have no doubt however, teachers at charter schools do organize. Private school teachers going to charter schools generally don't.

    And even with your poor research skills.... you still don't understand the difference between charter schools and private schools. You're like a former administrator who I once had....despite several one on one explanations with definitions and actual paperwork, could not understand the difference between enrollment and attendance. His head, like yours, was mostly brick.

    And although it makes me feel sorry to offer more evidence as to your ignorance of any thing education related, let me provide one more example:
    "American schools, for the most part, are pathetic and continually turn out high school graduates who can barely read at 8th grade levels and consistently rank low on a global scope. "
    So this information came from where?
    So this information came comparing US public schools to which country(ies)?
    How long do the comparison country(ies) keep all students in school?
    How long are students mandated to be in school (age)?
    What tracking policies are in place in the comparison country(ies)?

    I've said it before and since you don't know the difference between charter and private schools yet, I'll say it one more time, slowly:
    N o c o u n t r y e d u c a t e s m o r e s t u d e n t s l o n g e r
    t h a n t h e U n i t e d S t a t e s. To the ignorant who seem to revel in the "failure" of public schools in America, no other country (before today and from this point forward) provides the opportunity for more students to excel and have options that exist no where else on Earth.

    So go find some more of your doctored data (and your misinterpretations of same) to prove me wrong. I'm sure there are many examples and since you lost what ever objectivity you once might have possessed, it will be easy for you to just go with the summaries since you also can't decipher data.

    I'm sure a man such as yourself who received a college degree when academia was emphasized rather than indoctrination will be fully able to answer the questions posed above. That is provided you know the definitions of many of the words and terms you have used and are consistent in their use.

    One last observation: How is it you were able to obtain a college education when academia was emphasized, but apparently, every other person who attended college at the same time was indoctrinated?

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:09 pm on Tue, Jul 9, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Mr. Liebich, you don't have to convince Mr. Adams that liberal indoctrination takes place in public schools, he has already confessed to departing his liberal ideology in the classroom.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 2:53 pm on Tue, Jul 9, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    I certainly hope you research your classroom material better than you research factual information on California Charter schools. Charters operate independently from school districts and have more control over academic achievement and school management than do district-run schools. They also aren’t required to have a board or governing body and the MAJORITY of charter teachers don’t belong to a union (although they can collectively vote to join one). I, personally, have yet to meet a Charter School teacher who belongs to a union. Proving you wrong is my pleasure and if it makes you look foolish, so be it. Again, I feel sorry for the captive audience in your classroom that are fed doses of your liberal propaganda. So sad.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 1:43 pm on Tue, Jul 9, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1372

    Let me say it again: " It is clear from your remarks you have, literally, no information or accurate knowledge about what happens in classrooms or schools at the K-12 level or college."

    This would especially include any and all of my classrooms since I'm positive you, and probably no one you even know, was enrolled in my classes or school.

    You have no rebuttal what so ever. Repeating your ill-informed, conservative propaganda over and over would never be considered as any sort of effort to refute my claims, even more so when they can be documented as wrong and issued over a wide range of discussion.

    If I may borrow two your ridiculous retorts to Joanne, I can show show you have not even the slightest knowledge of education and government codes, which all school districts must abide.

    #1 "I also realize that charter schools don't put up with the BS that most public schools allow. No green hair, no gang activity and no police in the parking lot all day." Public schools are required to accept any student under the age of 18 provided they live in that school's attendance area and there is room for them. In addition, schools are not allowed to infringe on a students 1st amendment rights as it applies to free speech. Coloring your hair green, or any activity like this is considered a free speech. The only caveats to this are activities that are related to criminal or moral endeavors, or activities not allowed under the education code. Schools cannot label a student as a member of a gang unless that student acknowledges he or she is a gang member. Schools, like the neighborhoods they are found in, are only mirrors of of what activity goes on in that locale. Where there is a lot of crime in the neighborhood, you will also find a lot of crime or people who commit crimes in the school.

    #2 "Teachers are not protected by the archaic tenure program and are expected to perform or be released. " In almost every charter school, teachers are protected by the unions that cover the teachers in the district under which the charter is located. You are confusing private schools with charter schools. Charter schools, by law, have to be public schools as California tax payers are not required to fund private schools.

    Your ignorance regarding this topic is just astounding. Your posts are not read with the purpose of enjoying a lively debate, they are read with the intent of determining if one post is going to be as amusing as the previous ones. Please, do yourself a favor.....go to a topic you have some knowledge about.
    Just because you went to school doesn't mean you know anything about schools. Again, I feel sorry for you for attempting to sound knowledgeable when all you are doing is sounding foolish.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 4:48 pm on Mon, Jul 8, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Wait, what’s that you say liberals? There is no liberal indoctrination of children going on in the public schools?

    For heavens sake, what do you call this? http://youtu.be/LfhHHCXxVe4 [sleeping]

    or this? http://youtu.be/5AEEee8kCG4 [sleeping]

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 3:44 pm on Mon, Jul 8, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Who were YOU a flunky for Ms. Bobin?

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 3:41 pm on Mon, Jul 8, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    You feel sorry for me? Not nearly as sorry as I feel for the students in your classroom being subjec ted to your liberal propaganda.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:36 pm on Mon, Jul 8, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Excellent analysis, Mr. Adams.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 1:14 pm on Mon, Jul 8, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1372

    Mr. Chapman, It is clear from your remarks you have, literally, no information or accurate knowledge about what happens in classrooms or schools at the K-12 level or college. Your statements are literally broad, sweeping cliches that have been stated over and over (ad nauseam and incorrectly) since the 60's. Your insistence and devout like reliance on them actually shows that it is you that has been indoctrinated by your conservative idols for almost 5 decades. You should give them credit. Look at the wonderful job they have done....turning what might have been a knowledgeable, critical thinking man into a bitter and ignorant puppet, blindly repeating over and over the same mantra.

    I feel sorry for you.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 12:57 pm on Mon, Jul 8, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1372

    I too worked full time in the summer and close to full time during school, sometimes working 2 jobs. I got some student loans but those are long ago paid off. I took longer than 4 years because I didn't always have the money to live and go to school at the same time. Unless there was work required from a text book, I didn't buy it (and this was while textbooks were cheap compared to today's prices). I attended mostly public schools but did do a semester at UOP. Unfortunately, by that time I was older than almost everyone else in the room, sometimes including the teacher, so I wasn't really connected to anyone there. While I was the last to graduate from college in my family, I was also the first to get a master's degree.

    While attending college(s), students were primarily liberal I guess you would say, but Vietnam was running down, and there wasn't much left to protest about. When I graduated, most students were more conservative and believe they largely remain so. I would still hear the accusations from conservatives about "liberal" college students do this, want that, but I only remember one protest and that was about some dam in Stanislaus Co.

    I would have to say that almost no professors were rabid liberals. In fact most (as did I later on) play it right down the middle. One of my best teachers at LHS was Art Raab, a man who supported many liberal causes, yet he always presented all sides to the argument and if you didn't know it, you would think he was a republican. I think the only argument I got into was in one of my master's courses over the use of computers in the classroom. His assertion was that educators had to know how to program computers and that a classroom without a computer was not a classroom. Well for any application you might want, there generally was a program available for it. If it didn't exist, you used what was available. And, at the time, while there was a proliferation of computers in classrooms, there were actually very few (very, very few) programs that were useful so the computer would end up being used for games or word processing.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:54 pm on Mon, Jul 8, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Sorry, he's not. And aren't you the one who complained about people making statements about what others think about other commenters? Or was that one of your like-minded compadres?

    If you want to get technical - Yeah - all political interns ARE flunkies for their candidate. Just the usual stepping stone to the time when they can become professional politicians.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:49 pm on Mon, Jul 8, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    No disrespect at all. Facts are facts. Now we can certainly argue the REASONS for such high drug abuse...but to deny that a lot of service members were users or addicts is foolish.

    Maybe not "half," but here are some statistics for you:

    "Drug addiction among soldiers has happened during many of America's major battles. Stemming from prescription drug addiction such as pain killers, to soldiers taking narcotics to get them through what the soldiers have seen or experienced. Of the six million American soldiers that went into the Vietnam War there were reportedly as many as "60,000 soldiers addicted to heroin and approximately 720,000 that had some sort of drug problem during the Vietnam War era"

    "Smoking marijuana or heroin would only seem to complicate the situation and add to the stresses of combat, yet these soldiers say that taking the drug gets them through. (Sallah & Weiss, 2006, p.102) There were times that soldiers would drink entirely too much or get stoned before going out on maneuvers. Many soldiers felt the only way they could handle what they were about to see or what they were about to do was to be intoxicated or high."

    And another opinion on the numbers from The National Institutes of Health:

    "Two stages of Vietnam drug use are identified-a period of increasing marijuana use followed by the 1970 influx of highly potent heroin to which 1/5 of the enlisted troops were addicted at some time during their tour. The major contributing factors appear to be: (1) the need of troops in stressful combat situations for self-medication, escape, and hedonistic indulgence; (2) the relaxation of taboos against drug use in the United States; and (3) the availability of illicit drugs at low cost, which was apparently the result of profiteering by a number of South Vietnamese officials."

    From 2 members of Congress:

    "In the spring of 1971, two members of Congress (John Murphy and Robert Steele) released an alarming report alleging that 15 percent of U.S. servicemen in Vietnam were addicted to HEROIN."

    And that's just heroin addiction.

    I'm not sure which Vietnam War you served in, Mr. Chapman, but to not have noticed that amount of drug use and abuse would almost be impossible.

    Or were you like the CO a friend of mine had? - he reported the entire detail on the night watch was smoking marijuana - the CO's response? "You didn't see anything and if you report that you did see marijuana use to a higher level of command I'll have you busted back to private."

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 11:11 am on Mon, Jul 8, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    First, making blanket statements like "half the troops were stoned on one drug or another at any given time - or drunk" shows your total disrespect for millions of military personnel. I will acknowledge that there was drug and alcohol abuse by some military personnel, but there is also rampant drug and alcohol abuse by American civilian population as well.
    Second, your thinly veiled insinuation that since Mr. Boyd attended St. Mary's, he probably was a drug user and since he interned for Ricky Gill, he was a "flunky".
    Does that mean that ALL political interns are "flunkies" or just the ones that intern for candidates you don't support?
    Third, I never said charter schools educators aren't part of any bargaining unit. Some are some aren't. What I said is that the archaic tenure rule does not apply to charter school educators. They are on annual contracts and can be dismissed for poor performance regardless how long they taught at the school.
    Last, yeah, Obama IS your idol.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:57 am on Mon, Jul 8, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Chapman wrote: "If you are judging people by their drug useage (sic), throw in your idol Mr. Obama as well. Liked his "blow" when he could afford it."

    First, President Obama is not my idol - I have no idols. He is simply our president as far as I am concerned.

    Second, it would be unusual to find someone of YOUR age or your children's age that did not experiment with drugs or became a hardcore user, especially if someone is a Vietnam vet, such as yourself.

    Something the military of the Vietnam era has in common with today's military - a penchant for pretending certain behaviors are not occurring, i.e., today they ignore the rapes; in Vietnam they ignored the fact that half the troops were stoned on one drug or another at any given time - or drunk.

    As for charter schools, most teachers belong to the same bargaining group as the teachers in non-charter schools within a school district, so you most likely need to correct your skewed vision of the "perfection" of charter school teachers.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:36 pm on Sun, Jul 7, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    By the way, I paid for my own college education. I worked 20-30 hours a week during school, full time in the summer. I did borrow some money from my parents but paid it all back less than four years after graduation.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:29 pm on Sun, Jul 7, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    If you are judging people by their drug useage, throw in your idol Mr. Obama as well. Liked his "blow" when he could afford it.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:26 pm on Sun, Jul 7, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Mrs. Bobin, I do realize charter schools are public schools. I also realize that charter schools don't put up with the BS that most public schools allow. No green hair, no gang activity and no police in the parking lot all day. The students are expected to behave and excel in their education. Teachers are not protected by the archaic tenure program and are expected to perform or be released. Parents are encouraged to participate in their childrens education and an overwhelming majority do so. American schools, for the most part, are pathetic and continually turn out high school graduates who can barely read at 8th grade levels and consistently rank low on a global scope.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:06 pm on Sun, Jul 7, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Ah, Mr. Adams, I do appreciate the fact that you continue to substantiate that liberal educators indoctrinate their students in their liberal ideology. Thank you.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:51 am on Sun, Jul 7, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Fortunately, they were able to attend private schools and smart enough to send their children to private schools."

    This is the same person who crowed that his little granddaughter was attending a "Charter School" instead of a public school and didn't even know that charter schools ARE public schools.

    FYI, Mr. Chapman, I have taken at least one class per semester for the past several years and I can tell you first hand that none of the professors even approached the topic of politics, left or right, nor did they put any liberal "spin" on the topic of the course. Most are there to teach their subjects, not indoctrinate future followers of liberalism.

    If you noted Mr. Tillett's comment below, Lincoln Boyd is a Ricky Gill flunky who attended St. Mary's HS (speaking of indoctrination into a particular philosophy, in this case the Catholic Church).

    The last time my daughter had a friend who attended St. Mary's, the poor girl had her face literally sheared off in an auto accident after pumping her veins full of meth, a wonderful habit she learned from her "colleagues" at said school.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:35 pm on Sat, Jul 6, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [smile]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 8:17 pm on Sat, Jul 6, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1372

    As I suspected the whole time....in response to my question:
    "I guess you are proof that you either didn't get the education the state paid for or something happened to you in the years after you graduated from college, which rendered you able only to rely on statements referenced above".... you reply with a string of long over-used cliches and propaganda which I know you have no idea what they mean.

    As to "the teachers in your children and grand children's classrooms, did they graduate from public or private colleges? ", while it might not leave enough time for you to find out holiday and all (MY COUNTRY'S BIRTHDAY, I'm not sure what country you arise from, but based on your posts, it wasn't founded with the idea of equality and fairness for all).

    I am impressed that you located some sort of report, from two Americans and a Canadian that you believe substantiated your weak claim from your original post, but since it took you at least 20 minutes to find it (after you had reported it's results an hour earlier), I suspect what you claim and what the report says end up being 2 different things.

    You see, in all your years of opportunity to help and guide others, influence them in a positive manner, the AMERICAN way, all you've become is an angry man with poor research skills. That's probably not what your parents expected when they scrimped and saved to send you to college.

    As to your charge "I have no doubt you pass your liberal teachings to your students. ", well,..... perhaps I didn't grow up and work in the vanilla environment like you since you clearly have a complete lack knowledge about society and sociology. You wouldn't have lasted a day in one of my schools. If you had the courage to even show up.

    Now you better quick get back to Fox....they're reporting on that plane crash and I'm sure they'll somehow blame the pilot landing in the bay and sliding onto the runway on President Obama or Vice-president Biden. Or Nancy Pelosi. Or Diane F. and Jerry Brown.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:25 pm on Fri, Jul 5, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011
    [sleeping]

    As Congressional representatives overwhelming approved the Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act in February of this year, few Americans were paying attention. When President Obama signed the Act into law, he did so in secret, without any of the fanfare that came with his signing of universal health care two years prior – and for good reason. This is one of those laws the government doesn’t want you to know exists until it’s too late to do anything about it.

    For many, awareness of the existence of the new law will only become apparent when they are arrested and charged under new Federal trespassing guidelines as they attempt to protest, display signs or disrupt any person or event of national significance. An event of national significance is any activity where Secret Service agents are responsible for security. With several thousand agents in the field at any given time, events involving the President, Congressional members, staff or individuals running for Federal office are all fair game.

    Simply standing with a bullhorn, holding up a sign, promoting a contentious message or even being on the grounds of a Secret Service secured event will now make it possible for the government to detain, arrest and charge those involved in these “disruptions” (even if you just happen to be passing through) with a felonious criminal act.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 8:33 pm on Fri, Jul 5, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Here is one study on college liberal bias by co authors, Robert Lichter, professor at George Mason University and fellow political science professors Stanley Rothman of Smith College and Neil Nevitte of the University of Toronto, are based on a survey of 1,643 full-time faculty at 183 four-year schools.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 8:15 pm on Fri, Jul 5, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Which schools managed to indoctrinate you into the world of liberalism? You reek of liberalism in every post you make. I have no doubt you pass your liberal teachings to your students. Thank you for substantiating my post.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 7:44 pm on Fri, Jul 5, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1372

    Mr. "Lincoln Boyd",

    What college students refer to their fellow college students as "colleagues"?

    How many newspapers did you send this letter to?

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 7:40 pm on Fri, Jul 5, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1372

    Studies? Could you refer me to the study you are referring to?

    I've always believed that when someone makes comments like you did above, that they probably do not have a college education and hence are unable to comprehend a complex, dynamic world and so their abilities (stunted due to a formal education) caused them to rely on generalized statements such as "Studies have proven that over approximately 50% of high school and 70% of post high school educators are liberals and espouse that ideology in the classroom."

    I guess you are proof that you either didn't get the education the state paid for or something happened to you in the years after you graduated from college, which rendered you able only to rely on statements referenced above, and the one that follows:
    "Things changed by the time my children went to college.Fortunately, they were able to attend private schools and smart enough to send their children to private schools." So if I read your statement correctly, none of your children or grand children attended any public schools yet you are writing as though they did, which would give you some way of comparing a public school education with that of a private school education over two generations. Could you indicate any comparisons you might have made, head to head, that illustrates (regarding your children and grand children), how their public school experience was not as good as a private school education?

    Final two queries, the teachers in your children and grand children's classrooms, did they graduate from public or private colleges? And if they graduated from private colleges and continue to espouse an ideology formed from attending private colleges versus public colleges, isn't this indoctrination of some sort?


     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 7:07 pm on Fri, Jul 5, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    American schools that are subsidized by taxpayer funds should stick to education, not indoctrination. Studies have proven that over approximately 50% of high school and 70% of post high school educators are liberals and espouse that ideology in the classroom. I was fortunate enough to attend college when the emphasis was on academia, not political indoctrination. Things changed by the time my children went to college.Fortunately, they were able to attend private schools and smart enough to send their children to private schools.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 1:57 pm on Fri, Jul 5, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Mr. Boyd, I should have said "look at ALL sides, not both sides.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:19 pm on Fri, Jul 5, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1490

    Ha that's funny. So learning in your mind is equated with liberalism that explains a lot. How about we stop educating people so they can better understand conservatism?

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 11:56 am on Fri, Jul 5, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Lincoln Boyd, let me congratulate you for your decision to go to college. I am pleased to see, that after attending public schools, you are still able to think for yourself. Question your educators about everything. Most have been indoctrinated in liberalism and are anxious to share their political ideology with their to students in an attempt to grow the ranks of devoted liberal citizens. Look at BOTH sides, research for truth and make your own decisions.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:43 am on Fri, Jul 5, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1845

    Uh Oh, another personal attack by the liberal female that is the first to scream about personal attacks.. Apparently the word "hypocrisy" has been removed, along with other words, from the liberal verson of the dictionary.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:36 pm on Thu, Jul 4, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "How sad" doesn't begin to describe an over 50-year-old man who makes fun of people by turning their names into middle school jokes, i.e. "Rachel Madcow," "Oblame-o," etc.

    I'd bet a lot of money that you were one of those "clever" jokesters in middle school who signed the attendance sheet as "Bob Wire" and "Ben Dover" just to see if the sub would read it out loud.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 11:55 am on Thu, Jul 4, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1372

    I,for one, am all in favor of partisan politics, especially as it applies to republicans.
    Republicans are now evaluating why almost no ethnic or racial minorities vote for them. And even while they realize they need their votes, continue to push them further and further away.

    Yes, they rejoice when a Dem changes parties (as long as it's to the GOP), and yes, they push any ethnic or racial minorities that may get elected (and are republican). Ever wonder why an Hispanic or African American who is in the GOP get plum sub-committee assignments? Unfortunately, their show is only a superficial effort to demonstrate they have inclusiveness, while the Democrats really do have inclusiveness.

    I guess you can't really blame those who don't flock to the GOP. What with all the effort to scratch registered Democrat voters in majority minority voting precincts because they share a name with someone who is in prison. Or a student away at college because they might be registered at home as well. Or sending out misleading voter information letters telling them that Democrats vote on Wednesdays this year. Or staging poll officials or police out in front of precincts to discourage minority voters. Or now even lecturing minorities on how they are too stupid to join the GOP. (The GOP, always good with the lectures) Their latest efforts to have the children of illegal immigrants deported or deny them citizenship is really a nice touch and is sure to trigger a landslide of voter registration. To the Democrats.

    I have no idea why African Americans or Hispanics wouldn't want to register as republicans.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:44 am on Thu, Jul 4, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    And famously the expression of choice of Charlie Brown when life deals him another downer.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 11:42 am on Thu, Jul 4, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1372

    Wow....LNS is so hard up for even more letters from the right they allow this boiler plate mass mailing to get through. I thought they were checking before publishing as a result of our resident serial plagiarist (ever wonder why you see no more letters from him in the LNS? ..... guess they scrutinize the one person here who has no original thoughts and words over 2 syllables). Well at least this keeps most everybody else from having to read warmed over conspiracy theories.

    I would like to think the "real" Lincoln Boyd knows nothing about this and only his name has been used. Apparently LNS doesn't do their cursory check they say they do.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:42 am on Thu, Jul 4, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Looks like someone is attempting to maintain that 501(c)(4) tax exempt status by claiming "bipartisanship."

    And since when does promoting conspiracy theories make one a "social welfare" organization?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:11 am on Thu, Jul 4, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    “good grief (spoken)
    I am very surprised ‘I have four computers at home’ ‘Good grief. What do you do with them all?’
    “Usage notes: often used humorously, when someone pretends that a situation is more serious than it really is: Good grief, look at all this food! Are you feeding an army?”
    (http://tinyurl.com/cscywmf)

    While the foregoing might not satisfy everyone, of the few explanations I could find on the Internet (where one even suggested that the word “Good” was actually used in place of “God,” which I kinda dismissed out of hand), this seems the most plausible. BTW, I really didn’t spend a lot of time on this.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 8:26 am on Thu, Jul 4, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 543

    https://touch.www.linkedin.com/?sessionid=3516708402757632&as=false&rs=false#public-profile/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fpub%2Flincoln-boyd%2F51%2Fa95%2F66b

    It looks as though, among other things, he went to St. Mary's and interned for Ricky Gill.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 8:20 am on Thu, Jul 4, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1115

    "RIGHT WING HIT PIECE? PROPAGANDA?"

    Tea Party Blog Squad

    [smile]

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 8:18 am on Thu, Jul 4, 2013.

    advocate Posts: 500

    Ms. Parigoris, with your tea party rating at or lower than congress, about 10%, I would suggest you find another faux news type organization, that's "fair and balanced" like the teabaggers claim to be, to concentrate your bipartisanship and intelligence toward?

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:01 am on Thu, Jul 4, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1490

    Kim in support of your argument that the tea partiers are not an arm of the GOP perhaps you could point us to a democrat that has found the support of the tea partiers? Talk is cheap.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:52 am on Thu, Jul 4, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1372

    "‘What is wrong with Washington?’

    Being a college student as well as a concerned citizen, I regularly find myself asking the same question: What is wrong with Washington?

    After questioning many of my colleagues and observing the political process, I have come up with my own conclusion. Brace yourself: The problem is not those in Washington, the problem is us. We the people. The American electorate has turned away from principles and toward partisan politics.

    We look back to 2001 and the Patriot Act and we remember the outcry from the left calling President Bush a tyrant for violating our right to privacy and allowing the government to monitor and trace nearly every aspect of modern communication. Only few affiliates of the Republican Party were outspoken dissenters of this legislation. The troubling aspect of this episode is its recurrence and the reversal of roles.

    (Recently) we uncovered the NSA’s PRISM system, which is used to gain access to the private communication of users from nine popular Internet services, including Google, YouTube, Yahoo and Facebook. Now we hear from those on the right arguing over practically the same case, yet this time they have become the outspoken critics while those on the left quietly sit back.

    Supporters of both the Republican Party and Democrat Party have dismounted their own individual convictions and fallen victim to party politics. A Democrat and Republicans are easily influenced to support partisan policy if it is labeled as a liberal policy or conservative policy. There appears to be an absence of conscious individual deliberation. Maybe it is simply a lack of concern for public affairs.

    Where are those who examine, question and analyze? We have allowed the inexcusably poor efforts by legislators across the country become the norm.

    Lincoln Boyd

    Lewis & Clark College

    Portland "

    RIGHT WING HIT PIECE?
    PROPAGANDA?

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 6:51 pm on Wed, Jul 3, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1431

    There once was a man Ol-lame-o
    He tried to articulate in a post-o
    but it was so garbelled a write
    It was like a speech made trite
    by a mouth full of marbles oh oh
    [smile]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 6:32 pm on Wed, Jul 3, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1431

    Criminalizing free speech? Wheres that coming from?
    And I still don't believe there is such a thing as good grief. An oxymoron I'm sure.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:21 pm on Wed, Jul 3, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Who criminalized free speech Mr. Heuer? Palin? Beck? The Koch brothers? Are you comfortably numb? Good grief!

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:39 am on Wed, Jul 3, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1431

    Good letter by Mr Boyd
    He says it correctly "The problem is not those in Washington, the problem is us. " We are the driving force for the chaos in Washing ton. The biggest problem in politics is money. Campaigns require so much of it that is has become the main focus of politicians. Politicians taking stances that anger one side and rouse the other all to emotionally charge folks to give money. The Tea Parties are just another voice trying to make you think there is only fault to be found in government. They are wrong and simply add to the chaos. All of their candidates have the limited focus of dismantling Roe V Wade and unions without recognizing the overwhelming destructive influence of corporations like the financials, Monsanto and the amonts of money they peddle to influence us and politicians to get their way at our expense. What ever they started out as has morphed under the demonic influence of Glen Beck, the silly influence of Sarah Palin and the corporate Koch Brothers. If you want to improve our government get the money out. Money is not free speech. Another coorporate lie.

     

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