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Posted: Saturday, January 5, 2013 12:00 am | Updated: 7:06 am, Sat Jan 5, 2013.

I agree completely with the letter written by Mr. Van Amber Fields, "We need to end all the needless violence," published Dec. 27, 2012. We are at the end of the age and the evil spirits are working overtime.

We sure helped them along when we took God out of our schools and other public places. But Mr. Van Amber Fields was right when he talked about no respect for innocent children. The heart of a family is having and loving God's gift of children.

We helped the evil spirits when we OK'ed no-fault divorce, the "pill" — which encouraged adultery — and legalized abortion — then, unbelievably, partial-birth abortion.

Yes, the massacre in Connecticut was horrid! We ache for the parents who lost their precious babies! But why can't people see there is no difference between a 6-year-old child and a 9-month-old baby?

On Feb. 25, 1994, Mother Teresa said in a letter to the U.S. Supreme Court on Roe v. Wade, "America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe v. Wade has deformed a great nation.

"The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men.

"It has portrayed the greatest gifts — a child — as a competitor, an intruder and an inconvenience."

God bless all our children!

Carolyn Hadden


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  • Patrick W Maple posted at 12:51 pm on Thu, Jan 10, 2013.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    msb: Personal attacks? Questioning someone's competence or truthfulness or knowledge on a subject is a personal attack? Can we apply the same standards to nuclear research, heart surgery, global warming and swimming lessons? Wait you already do. You are the quintessential liberal who when confronted with a lack of knowledge on a subject reverts to attacking the messenger while hiding the message or question asked.

    I make no bones about my positions on subjects...therefore I need no thin or veiled words to get my point across.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 8:59 am on Wed, Jan 9, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    I've been wondering who Mr. Maple has been responding to!

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:18 am on Wed, Jan 9, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Curious why all of the personal attacks made by Mr. Maple on this thread have not been deleted.

    He is a constant offender who uses personal attacks and thinly disguised vulgarities in almost all of his posts.

    It is amazing that an individual who has a very public face as a Galt business owner and as a former school board member displays this type of behavior.

  • Simon Birch posted at 8:10 am on Wed, Jan 9, 2013.

    Simon Birch - Online Manager Posts: 170 Staff

    Everyone: It looks like comments viewed on smartphones and tablets (e.g. iPhones, iPads) are not showing real names in some cases. I'll try to get this fixed ASAP.

  • Patrick W Maple posted at 5:36 am on Wed, Jan 9, 2013.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mrzerodegree: The reality is: the Justice Department found that people who claim allergies to a food are to be considered disabled...men who get headaches after having sex are disabled...equal to a person in a wheelchair...or someone who is blind. THAT is nonsensical...as is the typical liberal garbage found on many of the posts here. Pseudo politics: is all about them and the creation of a victimized society. ANONYMOUS. USE YOUR REAL NAME.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:58 am on Wed, Jan 9, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1671

    Yes "Typical garbage" as you notice it was your words thrown back at you.
    I don't have the authority to delete posts just nonsense on your part.
    There are hundreds of "common" ADA requirements you can choose from.
    Why wouldn't I want to report any beligerant or insulting or personal attack posts? And what is this annonimous/real name garbage? More nonsense?
    Like your "pseudo politics" (what ever that is) I usually ignore these.

  • Patrick W Maple posted at 11:58 pm on Tue, Jan 8, 2013.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Mr Simon is within his rights to remove your posts...he has mine and given reasonable guidance. mra: As you type realize you are making your argument against yourself. Like msb you think you and every other liberal is a victim of a conservative bias and thought. I hardly think that you are more educated, knowledgeable or commonsensical than JK DB RC SB or myself.

    Typical garbage response from a face in the crowd mrzero. Scared of your own breath?. Annonimity is okay...just don't delete my posts. My words were chosen because that is the most common ADA complaint. Be a man...or woman...post under your real name. Even msb is brave enough to do that. Afraid your friends will find out how intelligent you really are?

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 7:00 pm on Tue, Jan 8, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1671

    MrNumchuk: Use your real name. Your comparing access to a toilet in a restaurant and access to an abortion clinic is perverse...sick. Geez ma-neez. You sound like that idiot Hank Williams Jr trying to impress Rick Santoum. I dare say that Ms Hadden may have meant to use the word adultery...and did. Of course you would never use a bad/wrong word like toilet when you meant entrance. You wouldn't want to sound uncivilized unless ...

  • Simon Birch posted at 6:06 pm on Tue, Jan 8, 2013.

    Simon Birch - Online Manager Posts: 170 Staff

    The First Amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
    You have the right of free speech. We have the right of freedom of the press. That means the government cannot compel us to publish what we don't want to publish. The U.S. Supreme Court said so in Miami Herald Publishing Co. v. Tornillo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Herald_Publishing_Co._v._Tornillo):
    "Furthermore, the Court held the exercise of editorial judgment is a protected First Amendment activity. In effect, this ruling reaffirmed the constitutional principle of freedom of the press (detailed in the First Amendment) and prevented state governments from controlling the content of the press."
    I would also urge you to read about Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230_of_the_Communications_Decency_Act), which states, in part:
    "This act was passed to specifically enhance service providers' ability to delete or otherwise monitor content without themselves becoming publishers."
    As for your assertion that we fear a lawsuit from "a right wing participant," you are simply wrong. We prefer not to ban commenters and try to work with them to improve the civility of the debates here. We've banned commenters from both the "right" and "left," and neither has been pleased with that.
    As we have said before, we have established some rules for commenting here. We are trying our best to apply those rules fairly. We don't expect everyone to always agree with our decisions.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 6:04 pm on Tue, Jan 8, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1671

    [thumbup] [thumbup]

    Way to go Joanne.

  • Patrick W Maple posted at 2:47 pm on Tue, Jan 8, 2013.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    JK: Point taken on word use...and Fluke. msb: Feigned outrage again. Fluke was used and used and used by the left...she is no longer useful since the left perceives they "won". Now they are using others like you to promote their ideas and ideology. Note an idea is just that...it is not reality or truth. Ideology is just a road.

  • Mike Adams posted at 12:49 pm on Tue, Jan 8, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1565

    Thomas, Joanne, and Andy: The censor @ LNS routinely deletes my posts, sometimes with notice, but more often not.

    Others who have had posts deleted or disappear seem to be those who bring a more educated, liberal prose than those who sling cliche's and dimwitted evaluations of liberal posts, almost always attacking the writer personally.

    The LNS censor department seems to fear the chance that a right wing participant will bring suit against them (and win) for the deletion of their posts. This is why the select few are never banned or even deleted. The censor told me that because the LNS is a private enterprize, they somehow escape the 1st ammendment. I'd like to see them make that challenge in a court of law. It would be just right before the judge ruled in favor of the complainent and ordered the LNS to pay 100's of thousands of dollars for depressing freedom of the press.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:46 pm on Tue, Jan 8, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Of course the “progressive” pill that has been developed to kill an egg after just a few days or even hours beyond fertilization would most certainly be an affront to God.

    As for Ms. Sandra Fluke, clearly she permitted herself to be used by the uber-left. To be paraded in front of Congress, the nation and to some extent the world to complain about something as private and personal as birth control measures had me wondering about her mental state even then."

    The above statements are prime examples of why men should not be allowed to dictate women's reproductive health until they get the facts. Maybe back in the 1970's, certain attitudes existed that have caused certain individuals to have strange ideas about reproduction and current medical technology has eluded them and they possibly believe that pregnancy can be prevented by "an aspirin between the knees" as Foster Friess famously said when he made a fool of himself in public.

    I suggest the commentor research just how the "progressive" pill (whatever that is - the "morning after pill?). More importantly, it does not "KILL" the egg. Really, it is shocking how ill-informed people with strong opinions about this type of birth control really are.

    Ms. Fluke's "mental state?" "Used by the uber-left?" "Paraded?"

    Ms. Fluke's major at law school was public policy, specifically reproductive rights.

    She spoke eloquently about the backward attitudes that certain individuals have about birth control and cited a particular case of a friend who could not afford birth control pills which she had previously been taking to prevent ovarian cysts - not for birth control - and subsequently was forced to have her ovaries removed which prevented and hope of having children.

    When these commentors get educated and stop talking about so-called "affronts to God," (in case you didn't know - as believers, they SHOULD know that God CAUSES 1/2 a million miscarriages each year - how beneficent of Him!) then perhaps a rational conversation can take place.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:03 am on Tue, Jan 8, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    Mr. Maple, whether or not Ms. Hadden truly did not intend to use the word "adultery" would have to be left to her to either correct or confirm. However, an unintended consequence of the "pill" could very well have been the opportunity for heightened promiscuity (the ability to have sexual relations without the fear of pregnancy) and for a married woman or man such promiscuity would of course result in adultery.

    As one who believes that human life begins at conception, I have no issue with the pill or any other form of contraception that stops pregnancy just short of fertilization. Of course the “progressive” pill that has been developed to kill an egg after just a few days or even hours beyond fertilization would most certainly be an affront to God.

    As for Ms. Sandra Fluke, clearly she permitted herself to be used by the uber-left. To be paraded in front of Congress, the nation and to some extent the world to complain about something as private and personal as birth control measures had me wondering about her mental state even then. It's funny (not in the "ha-ha" sense) that Sandra is no longer needed and thus has been relegated to whatever she was doing prior to her little exhibition. Evidently she passed the bar and is employed somewhere within the legal profession – but the big question the planet wants to know is: who’s paying for Sandra Fluke’s birth control device(s)? I suppose I could “Google” the interrogatory, but I’ll wait until she shows up on Letterman to bring us all up to date.

  • Patrick W Maple posted at 9:10 pm on Mon, Jan 7, 2013.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mrzero: Use your real name. Comparing access to a toilet in a restaurant and access to an abortion clinic is perverse...sick. Geeez. You sound like that idiot Fluck and her phony argument for free condoms. I dare say that Ms Hadden may have meant to use the word promiscuity not adultery...of course none of you have ever done this...used a wrong word.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:00 pm on Mon, Jan 7, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1671

    There has been a question of why some deleted comments get a big red “Comment Removed” and others that simply vanish without a trace except for the replies that addressed the missing comment. I think Joanne has a point that was raised also by Mr Barrow awhile back.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 7:13 pm on Mon, Jan 7, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1671

    It is interesting that in Virginia and Michigan laws have been passed that require an abortion clinic to meet the building standardss of acute care hospitals. This requires major reconstruction that will exceed many clinic budgets. TNow the complaints I have heard here and elsewhere of the ADA requirements causing expense to some business owners will be nothing to what this will obligate the clinic owners whos services are mostly counseling.

    The prolife govenor in Virginia (remember the attempt to require transvaginal probes agaist the will of the mothers) I would presume would also be one of those conservatives who thinks government should get out our lives. Of course thats only when someone is throwing monkey wrench regs into their lives. However they don't think anything of using their political power to obstruct needlessly the lives of others. Clinics are low budget operations that never pprovide services at the scale of a general hospital. It only atests to the hypocracy of conservatives. It also goes to the lengths emotionally hysterical people will strive for.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 6:29 pm on Mon, Jan 7, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1671

    Unfortunately rather than censor some offending words in a post the whole post gets deleted even if it has value to a point of view. I liked your comment Joanne and if I may with a little rewrite, reiterate your comments that were not the focus of editing. The comment was a direct rebuttal to the letter writers objection to birth control which was her opinion. Ms Bobin replied;

    You asked “Now the "pill encourages adultery?”
    “Seriously, Ms. Hadden, if more women used the "pill" or any of the other means of birth control available that no doubt also "encourage" adultery, there would be less abortions in this country.”

    This was an excellent point and you also reminded the writer that some people would rather demonize "the pill" and over-populate the world with unwanted babies who are destined to live in poverty, abuse and neglect or linger in foster homes because no one wants to adopt older children, than allow a woman the right to prevent unwanted pregnancies with the "pill."

    Of course the need for birth control is not simply a US problem but a world wide concern especially in impoverished nations especially where rape and incest are more frequent problems. In many primitive cultures where there is an active effort toward genocide one of the means is to kill (living) babies then rape the women so they produce a new offspring with desirable traits.
    So you are right it is time to get into the 21st century and encourage women to actually use birth control. Attitudes like those advocated by Ms. Hadden lead to reproductive ignorance and more abortions.

    BTW I would like to add that definitions of adultery usually involve at least 1 in the encounter to be married. This is not always the case when birth control is needed.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:19 pm on Mon, Jan 7, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Of course abortion would continue if Roe was reversed, which it never will be.

    If abortion was made illegal again, anti-abortion advocates would be much happier because the chances of "divine retribution" would increase as those getting back alley abortions would most likely die from hemoraging or horrible infections.

    Before Roe, 10,000 per year died from illegal abortions.

    Some believe better 10,000 women die than ONE fetus.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 4:49 pm on Mon, Jan 7, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    Actually, what causes anyone's comment(s) to be removed are violations of the "Rules of Conduct" that are not only posted at the top of the comments section, but are what we all agree to abide by during the application process prior to gaining permission to post comments.

    It is also my understanding that being banned from this forum is a result of habitual violations of the "Rules of Conduct" as defined above. Or banning might also be considered for those violations that are so egregious and out of line that only one violation is necessary.

    To blame the removal of comments or banishment on anything or anyone else is preposterous.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:23 pm on Mon, Jan 7, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Because the posse of angry old white guys has learned to game the system and get comments deleted automtically without being reviewed by the Webmaster.

    If a comment gets a particular number of "reports," it gets deleted by the system and the posse makes sure to accomplish this on those with who they disagree or those criticize their views.

  • Patrick W Maple posted at 2:05 pm on Sun, Jan 6, 2013.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    AC: Because she believes tha any who oppose her are "bigots, racists, idiots, morons, despicable humans, name callers, white trash, black trash, brown trash, conspiratorial, blind, mentally crippled or crazy" Aside from those observations, I see no reason to have her posts removed.

    JK: You fight the good fight. I just say: If not God... Why not God...

    If someone believes in no God...why are we belittled for believing in a God. Most of what I read is that God is a good thing...that from Him comes good things...like you. Native Americans believed in a Supreme Being well before (1200s) Christianity stepped foot on this land. I would rather hang with people of good than those who wonder about or doubt good. They in general demand that you be judged by them before you ever enter an afterlife...which is ironically what they say religion does to them.

  • Andy Crowder posted at 11:10 am on Sun, Jan 6, 2013.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Why was Joanne's post removed? Is there no dissent allowed anymore?

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 5:59 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

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    I know of no one in my orbit who believes that prior to Roe v. Wade there were no abortions or that if (and hopefully when) that horrid decision might be overturned that abortions would cease. I just believe that abortion is flat-out wrong and the government shouldn't have made it legal. So at least “legal” abortions might be eradicated. I remember well the argument that despite the risk that abortions would continue in back alleys if Roe v. Wade went down in defeat and that because of that claim clean and safe conditions should be made available. That was tantamount to legalizing murder because hey, the bad guys are going to kill anyway - let's somehow make it easier and safer for them to do it and get away with it. At least that way perhaps fewer innocent citizens and cops might not be caught in the cross-fire. Clearly the murderers must have a good reason for killing. Why allow anyone else to die in addition to their intended target(s).

    Roe v. Wade was not just a stupid decision, it was morally and ethically wrong. Doctors take an oath to "do no harm" to their patients. Clearly the unborn child is a patient in every sense of the term as he/she is treated separately from the mother during routine prenatal appointments. The child’s heart-beat is checked as are other vital signs. To claim that the unborn baby is not a living human being is preposterous.

    Roe v. Wade will never be considered "common sense," at least not as far as I and millions of other Americans are concerned. It's far from making any kind of sense, common or otherwise. Approximately One Million babies per year for forty years equals Forty Million deaths - what a wonderful statistic - we should be so proud of ourselves as a liberal and progressive nation.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 2:53 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1671

    Thank you Joanne for some common sense. There are truely those that believe there were NO abortions before Roe V Wade. They also believe that abortions will go away if Roe V Wade is overturned. The fact is there have always been abortions but in clandestine and nightmareish conditions. "Back alley" abortions for many desperate women were performed under terrible circumstances and by any two-bit hacks who knew nothing of sanitation or proper tecniques often at the mothers peril. Roe V Wade recognized that women needed the protection of safe and sanitary conditions and free of the repression of a male dominante society. But there are those now who wish to take us back to those conditions either knowingly or unwittingly. Shame on them.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:41 am on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    God bless you Ms. Hadden and Mother Teresa - I couldn't have said it better myself. America's best days are clearly behind us. This has gone from a "woman's right to choose," to a nation's obligation to choose. Evil DOES exist in this world - we witnessed it last month in Connecticut and the nation rose to condemn it. But we've been silent and complicit since that horrid Supreme Court decision forty years ago this year. And unless and until we decide to do good things, the slaughter of our unborn children will continue and we will suffer greatly. The fact that so many Americans choose to accept abortion as nothing more than the disposal of worthless bodily tissue confuses me; there’s no logic to it at all.


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