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Letter: President Obama is not perfect, but he was elected fairly

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Posted: Tuesday, February 4, 2014 12:00 am

Back in the day when people would complain about Mr. Ronald Reagan and his economic policies favoring the rich, the hypocrites would say “America, love it or leave it.” (Now what was that about free speech?)

Nowadays, with all the whining and sniveling and Obama-bashing going on in this country, I say, “America, love it or leave.”

To be sure, I am not all that crazy about Mr. Obama either, but I do think Obamacare can turn out to be a good thing. (I can still remember being kicked out of a hospital and doctor’s offices in good old livable, lovable Lodi because I lacked enough money or health insurance when I was ill or in pain.) What did the Republicans ever have that was better? Nothing, because that was an indication of how much they love their neighbor after they get out of church?

And at least Mr. Obama was elected president fair and square. And that’s not socialism, that’s democracy. Or do the Republicans despise the American people who voted him into office?

John Cooper

Lodi

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34 comments:

  • Christina Welch posted at 12:12 pm on Tue, Feb 11, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 434

    Agreed. I think Shakespeare said it well: “In time we hate that which we often fear.”

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 4:41 pm on Mon, Feb 10, 2014.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    John Cooper: There has been a dire need for these efforts by the president in trying to deal with our healthcare system today. Somebody's got to do it and I am glad someone finally decided to take on the task.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 4:19 pm on Mon, Feb 10, 2014.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    John Cooper: I'm so sorry that you were kicked out of the hospital. That's just terrible. It sure shows us all that there has been a dire need for these efforts by the president in trying to deal with our healthcare system today. Somebody's got to do it and I am glad someone finally decided to deal with it.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 4:13 pm on Mon, Feb 10, 2014.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Christijna Welch wrote, "There is division in this country, indeed, but it isn’t the liberals fault, nor the conservatives fault; it is their inability to reconcile their disagreements in a positive and civil way."

    That is true, Christina, Well said. And when someone states that they "HATE" another American because they voted for Obama it just shows how far away from the middle (and any compromise whatsoever) that they really are. It's sad and unfortunate that these people do not see their hate as being destructive in our democracy. Even when I have been unhappy with a particular president's action I have never thought to myself that I "HATE" that president and the people who voted for him. What an immature and uneducated thought.... let alone a comment that someone whould actually say out loud.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 3:53 pm on Mon, Feb 10, 2014.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Well said.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:58 am on Sat, Feb 8, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1892

    Whining about not being able to “double dip” in retirement funds is such a liberal thing.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:20 am on Sat, Feb 8, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1892

    Bobbin, I never said the “point” was about free speech. The point is your eavesdropping on conversations that don’t concern you. Don’t like what you hear at Raley’s café, simple don’t go there. But, I suspect you would rather go there and listen in so you have something to complain about.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:10 am on Sat, Feb 8, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1892

    Eric, still waiting for you list of successful liberal programs.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:09 am on Sat, Feb 8, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1892

    Doubtful, I most likey pay more in taxes than you earn. If you feel your tax dollars are covering 100% of your FREE insurance, why don’t you buy your own policy? You prefer to let hard working taxpayers pick up the tab, sounds like welfare insurance to me.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:23 pm on Fri, Feb 7, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Yes, Mr. Adams. I recall a news bit on NPR about 6 months or more ago - a woman being interviewed, of all places, at a VFW convention.

    They played the actual tape of her saying, "I can't stand Obama, and his wife, she has no business being the First Lady. Does she LOOK like a first lady? It's a disgrace."

    If anyone could possibly interpret that statement as anything but racial enmity then they are fooling themselves.

    The bottom line is that a LOT of people HATE the fact that we have a black president. And many of them are contributors to this forum.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:16 pm on Fri, Feb 7, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    It's called "just in case" insurance.

    Just in case their really is a hell...want to have my butt covered...because I'm scared of hot places.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:23 pm on Thu, Feb 6, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1488

    To second Joanne's response, I've heard much of the same, often sprinkled with remarks about his race.... And yes, right here in Lodi. At local stores. On the street. Anywhere two or more people can meet. And I don't think that this is a Lodi problem, because I've heard it elsewhere to (and I'm not talking about Woodbridge or Lockeford).

    The level of contempt held by many on the right toward our President is scary. Like the Secret Service needs to round up all these nuts kind of scary.

    To these kinds of people I should just say: "Just 'cause I have no hair, doesn't make me a skin-head!! Keep your ignorant observations to yourselves. Your not making yourself look either educated or well-bred. You just make yourself look both ignorant and a fool at the same time."

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:58 pm on Thu, Feb 6, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Hardworking American taxpayers" like myself! Yes, I pay taxes, Baxxter.

    I'd bet you dollars to donuts that my income tax bill is a lot higher than yours since I lack all those Real Estate Rental property write-offs.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:55 pm on Thu, Feb 6, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Thanks for the compliment, Mr. Taves! But here's a hint - if you don't care for my "tedious" comments, don't read them. I usually skip yours, too!

    You must have a VERY low bar for declaring someone "dishonest and horrifyingly dangerous."

    You must be one of those who likes to equate President Obama with Adolph Hitler - but no doubt in your mind Hitler has the upper hand since he's the white guy.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:50 pm on Thu, Feb 6, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [thumbup]

    Thanks, Mr. Tillett. Since Baxxter learned how to Google, he also came under the impression that everything he learned there was either true or left-wing bias.

    Good to know that Ronnie Reagan started taxation on Social Security - he's the one who also went after all the so-called "double dippers," - those who collected more than one government pension OR a government pension and Social Security.

    Heads-up when you retire - the SSA will slash your Social Security check (if you qualify for benefits) once you mandatorily report your CalSTRS pension. In my husband's case SSA knocked him down from $800 to $125 per month once they figured in CalSTRS benefits.

    All thanks to Ronnie. Wonder how he managed to mesh his CA governor's pension and his presidential pension - most likely worked in a loophole for himself.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:39 pm on Thu, Feb 6, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Ever had coffee at the Raley's coffee café, Baxxter? You can hear everything - especially when those speaking make a point of making sure everyone around them hears. The man was speaking so loudly that his tablemate had to ask him to calm down.

    And, Baxxter, the point was NOT free speech. The comment was in response to Keven Paglia's contention that he is "Blanking tired of hearing that Republicans despise the people who voted for" Obama.

    Try and stay on the same page, eh, Baxxter?

    And I must say that I don't think I ever stated that I hated Bush. It's hard to hate a person that you know has no mental capacity for the job he's in - it's not his fault that Daddy Bush made him run for president. You just feel sorry that he's such a dumb-dumb and in over his head! Pathetic fits better.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:00 pm on Thu, Feb 6, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1584

    Joe why do find it necessary to deflect the conversation or change the subject why can't you take on the debate put forward by others do you fear that you're logic will fade in the light of debate.

    Joanne was not saying that people don't have the right to speak their mind she was simply responding to Kevin's post that "I am so *expletive* tired of hearing this "if you disagree with us then you must hate/despise/be intolerant of us" argument." and pointing out that there are those on the right that do despise liberals no matter what they do. Even for voting for their own party, despicable.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 9:52 am on Thu, Feb 6, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 554

    wow, debunked in 30 seconds. must be a record...
    http://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths2.html

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 9:01 am on Thu, Feb 6, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 1159

    "Swim to the middle"

    [thumbup]

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 6:31 pm on Wed, Feb 5, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 434

    Kevin,
    I could not agree more, and I think that language transcends beyond the political sphere; I think our whole world has become an “us vs them” culture and society. I know that this is nothing particularly new in terms of human existence, but I think it’s much more pronounced in today’s techno world, if you will. Look at the shows on television, the songs on the radio, the messages in our advertising—divisiveness is what sells, and people are eating it up. Everyone has “drama” today; it’s like the new sign of achievement and respect. And, with technology today, everyone is able to get their “15 minutes of fame” so we’ve all become so self-important in our own minds, and so unwilling to listen to others or to have an open mind to ideas and opinions that differ from our own. There is division in this country, indeed, but it isn’t the liberals fault, nor the conservatives fault; it is their inability to reconcile their disagreements in a positive and civil way. Our history has always been one of a two-party system and there has always been conflict between them, but we have managed to compromise and find good ideas in both liberal and conservative policies. Just look at the Constitution & the Bill of Rights, for goodness sake! The almost perfect blend of conservative and liberal philosophies. We really need to understand our history and remember how the inability for our political system to compromise can only lead to disaster. Instead, to use Walter’s wonderful analogy from a different post, everyone just sits on the pond quacking at each other from their own side, and getting their feathers ruffled. I wish more ducks in our government and our society would swim to the middle. There’s a lot more room over here!

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:51 pm on Wed, Feb 5, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1892

    Bobbin, your insurance worries are over not that you are covered under CHUMPS, thanks to the generosity of hard working American taxpayers.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:35 pm on Wed, Feb 5, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1892

    Bobbin posted; "Overheard at Raley's "coffee cafe" last Wednesday (day after the SOTU):
    "I HATE Obama, can't stand to even LOOK at him - and I HATE everyone who voted for him."
    Bobbin, fortunately, for now, America is still a free country and if someone expresses hatred for Obama, it is their freedom of speech to do so. I am sure YOU have said similar things about Bush. You sure seem to overhear a lot of conversations. Stop eavesdropping if you don’t want to hear what other people have to say.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:19 pm on Wed, Feb 5, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1892

    [thumbup]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:18 pm on Wed, Feb 5, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1892

    Mr. Barrow, let me help you out with some of the liberal Democrat programs since you seem unable to come up wth any. Here are a few, want more, just ask.
    1.The Democratic party, Lyndon Johnson and the Democratically-controlled House and Senate, moved the independent Social Security Trust funds into the general fund to help finance the Viet Nam war and their “great society” programs.
    2.The Democratic party eliminated income tax deductions for FICA contributions.
    3.The Democratic party started taxing Social Security annuities.
    4.The Democratic party made it possible for immigrants to receive SSI payments. All they had to do is move to America and at age 65 the could receive the benefits, even though they did not pay one dime into the program.

     
  • stan taves posted at 8:42 am on Wed, Feb 5, 2014.

    Stan Taves Posts: 318

    I'm sorry, but anyone who has posted as many times as JB has no business referring to anyone as tedious. As for Mr. Coopers letter? While it is true that Barack Obama was elected fairly one can not ignore what he needed in order to close the deal. 1st he needed the ill-informed to believe that "hope and change" was a substantive and viable platform. Then he needed to convince the ill-informed that the pathway to "hope and change" must go through a democrat controlled Washington. And finally he, and his crew, needed to deceive the ill-informed continuously in order to get reelected. Call it "fair", legitimate, or anything you want, but don't think for one minute that a "fundamental transformation" -- that he will not define -- is in any way good for America. Yes, Barack Obama is a dishonest and horrifyingly dangerous human being. Still not convinced? So how's that working out?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:41 pm on Tue, Feb 4, 2014.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Jerome said:

    But to even suggest that people in Lodi (or anywhere else) were being turned away due to a lack of coverage is either disingenuous or ignorant.

    Really? Yes they could get stabilized at the emergency room but if they did not have insurance they were toast. People could not get insurance because of prior conditions or were charged so much they could not afford it. Obamacare takes care of this. There are over 10 million more people covered because of Obamacare. There are 5.3 million who are denied expanded Medicaid because of our Christian Republican governors. It is estimated by a Harvard study that over 17,000 will die because of these Christians actions. This does not include the suffering of thousands of others. The reality is that given a chance Obamacare will work and bring down the cost of healthcare. Why do you and other Right wing Christians advance and support policies that cause so much suffering, grief and death?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:41 am on Tue, Feb 4, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Now who's being the "Convenient Christian?"

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    BTW - there is no such thing as "self ingratiating," that is unless you work for the Department of Redundancy Department.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:31 am on Tue, Feb 4, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Kinderman - guess what? Emergency rooms will turn you away even if you HAVE insurance. Unless you've lost a limb or something as life endangering - emergency room personnel will tell you to go to the Urgent Care center.

    It is amazing what people will "believe" when they have had no experience with being turned away from a medical office, urgent care, or emergency room. Those instances just don't exist! "I, certainly, have never heard of it!!!"

    Lucky you.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:56 am on Tue, Feb 4, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Well, we all know that someone ALWAYS "knows very few people..." - you don't have to KNOW anyone personally to "know" that there are many, many people who believe that Obama was elected under fraudulent circumstances - especially if you listen to or read extreme right wing media or other sources.

    And the obsession with things being "forced down our throats," (a very unfortunate phrase, to say the least) is getting tiresome.

    If you have ever experienced NOT having health insurance, you would know that one is treated with, at the least, suspicion, and CASH is demanded or treatment will not be rendered. What is the first thing the medical receptionist asks for - almost before she even asks your name? "Insurance card, please!"

    Making a doctor appointment? First question - "What is your health insurance company?" Oh, it's the wrong one? - "sorry - we don't take that insurance."

    Get out and get some knowledge of what goes on in the world, please. If not for your own sake, but to save everyone in this forum from your limited knowledge of the real world.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:47 am on Tue, Feb 4, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1584

    But to even suggest that people in Lodi (or anywhere else) were being turned away due to a lack of coverage is either disingenuous or ignorant.

    What a joke if I didn't know Darrell better I would say he is being sarcastic. The only way a person could believe such a thing is to be absolutely out of touch with today's current events. This statement completely discredits anything Darrell has to say about healthcare.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:19 am on Tue, Feb 4, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Overheard at Raley's "coffee cafe" last Wednesday (day after the SOTU):

    "I HATE Obama, can't stand to even LOOK at him - and I HATE everyone who voted for him."

    Yeah, Mr. Paglia - it's not a myth or something made up to "divide" the country. It's real and it's here in Lodi. BTW - not the only time I've heard that statement here in town.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:17 am on Tue, Feb 4, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1892

    The first three words in the title of this post define Obama. There is only one person that is "perfect". Don't tell that to Obama because I am certain he will clain that title, being the arrogant, self ingratiatiating person that defines his actions. He shifted the blame for his failures from Bush to FOX, Always someone else's fault, it is the liberal way.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 7:11 am on Tue, Feb 4, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2080

    "Or do the Republicans despise the American people who voted him into office?"

    I am so *expletive* tired of hearing this "if you disagree with us then you must hate/despise/be intolerant of us" argument. There is a HUGE difference in disagreeing with and despising and the fact that so many people can't seem to make that distinction is a real credit to the divisive "us vs them" language that fills our political landscape now.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 6:24 am on Tue, Feb 4, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2365

    I know very few people who believe President Obama was not elected according to the electoral process. Whether or not this so-called "ObamaCare" can "turn out to be a good thing" will take time. So far there are far more Americans who are doubtful than excited about the program. Where many of us have an issue is the manner in which the Affordable Care Act came into being. To be sure there were many broken promises and other political shenanigans that helped to force it down our throats. Also, considering that "they" had years to develop the system to deliver it, I am amazed that the websites are so fraught with incompetence.

    Now, as far as your memories of "being kicked out of a hospital and doctor's offices in good old livable, lovable Lodi because I lacked enough money or health insurance when I was ill or in pain" raise a few questions. Such as why you were unable to find care for whatever it was that made you sick or in pain. Prior to the ACA there were many affordable insurance policies available at reasonable prices in spite of the notion that Americans were being turned away from such as you describe. In fact, no emergency room was then or is now permitted to deny care to people. Also, the ACA is by no means "free" as it seems far too many others believed it was going to be. Depending upon the level of coverage chosen, there are still co-pays and premiums that have to be paid - the big difference being that we no longer have a choice as to whether or not we want any coverage at all - something that I find offensive. In the history of our Republic this administration has ushered in a new era of governmental interference into the lives of all Americans regarding their right to live as they choose.

    Don't get me wrong, I do believe that all of us should be responsible citizens and do what is necessary to ensure that we are medically covered. But to even suggest that people in Lodi (or anywhere else) were being turned away due to a lack of coverage is either disingenuous or ignorant. As far as that is concerned, not much has changed since health-care before "ObamaCare" was rolled out in October. You still have to pay – either at the hospital door or when the bill arrives in the mail. At least now the government has the IRS to ensure that we DO pay - many tax refunds will be a tad lighter now that it is the collection service for the ACA. Isn't that just grand!!

     

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