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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:21 am, Thu Jul 12, 2012.

"It's Up to the Voters Now" (Wall Street Journal, June 29). If Americans want to repeal Obamacare, their only recourse is to demand it at the ballot box in November. The Supreme Court decision reminded Americans that they cannot count on others to protect their liberty.

Americans had jolly well better be learning what is in the 12,000 pages of new rules in the Federal Register. Remember Nancy Pelosi: "We have to pass the bill to find out what's in it." (All members of Congress who voted for a bill of over 2,000 pages without reading it should be voted out of office, including Jerry McNerney.)

"ObamaCare forms over 150 new boards with power over the health markets, in particular an unaccountable bureaucracy run by 15 solons who will eventually decide on the treatments that patients are allowed to receive."

Obama continues to claim that no one will lose his current health insurance. Yet many businesses will drop employee coverage when they find a penalty is cheaper. Seventy-four percent of small businesses say Obamacare will make job creation even more difficult because they can't afford to hire more employees with the uncertainty of what it will cost them.

Democrats cut half a trillion dollars out of Medicare to fund a massive new entitlement program that directly compromises patients' access to health care — no more Medicare Advantage plans that are popular with seniors.

How can health care costs not go through the roof when you add 30 million more to Medicaid, force insurance companies to cover virtually everything, including Viagra and contraceptives? How will our current number of doctors treat this increase in patients without compromising care? Why should anyone want to be a doctor? An estimated 40 percent of doctors will consider retiring.

Democrats denied that this tax (Supreme Court) ever was or would be a tax. "Had they called it a tax in 2009-10, the bill would never have passed."

Upon signing the Constitution Ben Franklin said they had created "a republic, sir — if you can keep it." Can we? Or will we become a European-like socialist state?

Phyllis Roche

Lodi

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17 comments:

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:15 pm on Mon, Jul 16, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I stated above...Prior to this Act, there was a 0 day limit on the conditions. It should have been a 90 day limit.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:11 am on Mon, Jul 16, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ron Warner stated...our current method of paying for this country's healthcare is unsustainable and 2) for years the republican party held both houses and the executive branch and they did nothing to solve this problem.

    Mr Warner is absolutely correct on both counts. I would add that I do not think it an accident that our health system is unsustainable. I agree that the Republicans did nothing. However, I also know that the Republican's have no backbone to do what it takes to do something about it. If one observed the political heat generated from Paul Ryan's plan who did try to debate change to the system, you can understand their fear. I think collapse to the current system is inevitable , which is by design by people who desire a new system.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:58 am on Mon, Jul 16, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Silent about what Walter. With the number of posts I submit, it is rare that someone thinks I am silent. If you would ask questions in your own words instead of simply mocking, I would be happy to answer anything that you want. If I could offer something to someone as wise and intelligent as you, it would be my pleasure.

    I will repeat, In over 7000 posts, I have not lied once. I cannot control if you do not comprehend what I attempt to say. I know you have advanced wisdom
    ( compared to me and other conservatives) and advanced intelligence but I will try my best to communicate at your level even though I may fail. Obviously since you perceive I lie, I have failed at one level.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:49 am on Mon, Jul 16, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Trotter stated..."How can health care costs not go through the roof when you add 30 million more to Medicaid, force insurance companies to cover virtually everything, including Viagra and contraceptives? How will our current number of doctors treat this increase in patients without compromising care? "
    And yet ... it works all over the world. Less cost, better results. Amazing

    Excellent question Mr Trotter? You are at the very beginning of understanding truth and I hope you investigate and contemplate so that you can answer your own question. Unfortunately, you set up a false premise in your question. Hint, there is no system that compares to ours. You can not state they do it better as they are not doing what we are doing. For example, the Mental Health Parity Act of 2010 covers serious mental health conditions indefinitely at a cost of about $70,000 per month per patient. Prior to this Act, there was a 0 day limit on the conditions.

    This one federal mandate of over 500 increases our cost structure . Another example is rationing of health care. NICE chairman Michael Rawlins acknowledged that his agency's decisions deprive some patients of drugs that may extend their lives. It is common that if doctors determine a person has less that 4 years to live (age 50 or older) , that they ration their healthcare and apply those resourses to the younger generation. Our country does not do that yet.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 5:54 am on Mon, Jul 16, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1126

    Day 4

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 10:17 am on Sun, Jul 15, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1126

    So quiet, you could hear a pin drop. Day 3

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 8:49 am on Sat, Jul 14, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1126

    You go silent. Day 2

     
  • Ron Werner posted at 6:30 pm on Fri, Jul 13, 2012.

    Ron Werner Posts: 93

    Phyllis Roche wrote "This tax will not improve health care". Evidently Phyllis and many others seem to think this legislation was meant to do that. The name of the bill is the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) which the bill does by assuring people will not be denied insurance and with subsidies it will be affordable to those who make 399% or less of FPL (federal poverty level). This bill is more about healthcare financing than it is about improving our healthcare system. Although one could say that the two do go hand in hand. Please keep two things in mind 1) our current method of paying for this country's healthcare is unsustainable and 2) for years the republican party held both houses and the executive branch and they did nothing to solve this problem.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 9:01 am on Fri, Jul 13, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1126

    Darrell, we've all noticed..

    That when you get "caught in the act" for propagating flasehoods...

    You go silent.

    Never can admit you're wrong.

    Dude, why is that?

     
  • Scott Trotter posted at 8:23 am on Fri, Jul 13, 2012.

    Scott Trotter Posts: 16

    "How can health care costs not go through the roof when you add 30 million more to Medicaid, force insurance companies to cover virtually everything, including Viagra and contraceptives? How will our current number of doctors treat this increase in patients without compromising care? "

    And yet ... it works all over the world. Less cost, better results. Amazing

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:22 pm on Thu, Jul 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    If what you say is true, Mr. Baumbach, why does the Ryan Plan advocate a voucher system that eliminates Medicare

    The Ryan Plan was a great starting point, a first draft meant to start the debate of an alternate system to address the long term ( 30 years) financial nightmare our country faces. He was attempting to be responsible. That plan was not intended to be the final solution. Obama ”not” care is existing law and not a suggestion., but already a reality.

     
  • Sam Heller posted at 5:04 pm on Thu, Jul 12, 2012.

    Sam Heller Posts: 176

    Thanks Walter. I do enjoy your posts. They are very informative. [beam]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:02 pm on Thu, Jul 12, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    If what you say is true, Mr. Baumbach, why does the Ryan Plan advocate a voucher system that eliminates Medicare and gives seniors a certain amount to spend on health care coverage.. "Experts" claim that "premium support" and "voucher" are interchangable terms.

    From Kaiser Health News:

    "House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, R-Wis., left many details to Congress when he unveiled Tuesday his plan to make major changes to Medicare as part of a fiscal 2012 budget resolution. He says his overall objective is to convert Medicare into a premium support program for which the government will spend a specific amount for beneficiaries' care, a fundamental shift from the current fee-for-service program.

    A premium support model would fundamentally change the way that Medicare works by limiting the amount of money the federal government spends on medical services for seniors and the disabled. Currently, Medicare is an entitlement program, which means that the government must help finance every doctor visit and medical service that an individual needs.

    Under a premium support system, the government would pay a percentage toward the insurance premium for each individual; enrollees could kick in more money to get better coverage."

    Key - "enrollees could kick in more money to get better coverage. That's why we have Medicare Supplement plans.

    Medicare Advantage looks like a good deal and many seniors seem to lke them, but when I researched these plans for my husband and went to see the counselor at Hutchins Street Square, she nixed Senior Advantage and showed me numbers for deductibles, co-pays, hosptial coverage, etc.,that were quite frightening for my husband's health situation.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:53 pm on Thu, Jul 12, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1126

    Hi Ron, I was incorrect. You just shared some truth.

    I should of qualified my earlier statement by adding a short list of names to the end.

    You've shown that "small snippets of truth" may occasionally be found here but they're typically buried deep in partisan baloney.

    Let's just focus on the quote Darrell posted.

    The statement "no more Medicare Advantage" isn't true. They're reducing the funding, not terminating the program. Notice, neither mentions that they're eliminating the "overpayment subsidy" paid to private MA insurers? They're also closing "the gap", 50% at start and 100% by 2020?

    How about "popular with seniors"? Well that's not true either. Only 20% or so (source wiki) of Medicare participants enroll in a MA plan. I would consider "popular" to more like 50%-60%-70% or more, no?

    I was going to break out Darrell's next 2 paragraphs but there's no need.

    They're devoid of facts.

    It's all opinion, embelishments and his typical apoclytic fantasy that he conjures up to scare and frighten people.

    Thanks for your post.

     
  • Ron Werner posted at 1:35 pm on Thu, Jul 12, 2012.

    Ron Werner Posts: 93

    Mr. Chang said "Research the facts and seek the truth... But please be advised, you will NOT FIND ANY TRUTH in the LNS comments section.
    I took your advice Mr. Chang and did some research. Many different sources substantiated Ms Roche and Mr. Baumbach's claim that PPACA will cut 500B from medicare. About 136 B of that will be from Medicare Advantage plans the rest from hospital and provider reimbursements. Although both posters embellish with their comments, the basic premise seems to be based in fact.
    Please give some examples of your statement " you will NOT FIND ANY TRUTH in the LNS comments section" so I can do further research and as you recommend, " seek the truth".

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 10:51 am on Thu, Jul 12, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1126


    Darrell said previously: "If Obama wins, that would please me"

    This is the true sentiment, directly from the LNS comments section's #1 Fear Monger!!

    His peer group will be frightened but Darrell will be pleased on November 7th.

    The final push is on - "Operation Spin of Doom" is in full effect.

    Folks, with 118 days until the election, we're now entering a period of extreme partisan uglyness.

    Don't buy into it!

    Research the facts and seek the truth...

    But please be advised, you will NOT FIND ANY TRUTH in the LNS comments section.


     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:22 am on Thu, Jul 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Roche stated...Democrats cut half a trillion dollars out of Medicare to fund a massive new entitlement program that directly compromises patients' access to health care — no more Medicare Advantage plans that are popular with seniors.

    Ms Roche is exactly right. But why did this happen? Reason is that senior advantage is run by private sector health insurance companies like Kaiser, Blue Cross and Health Net. This this the competition that the government plan ( medicare part A and B) and democrats want to dismantle. They do want anything that gets in the way of the eventual single payer system they dream of.

    If there are no alternatives to medicare and government plans, only the government can then monopolize this industry. After rates triple in the near future, the system will collapse and national health care will be there to take over. That is our future.

    November elections in 2012 key. As this article points out, it is now or never. Please support candidates that want to repeal Obama”Not”care.


     

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