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Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 5:59 am, Tue Nov 13, 2012.

The elections are over and conservatives should rejoice. Never has it been so obvious what actions should be taken.

So what things are clear? Conservatives have to understand we are in a non-violent war with liberals in our country. This is not simply a difference in opinion. They mean business and intend to crush the spirit and principles that conservatives hold. Conservatives have to fight fire with fire. Obama and the Democrats have utilized principles that work, that lead to success. I urge conservatives to read "Rules for Radicals" by Saul Alinsky. We need to embrace some of these principles like liberals.

What can conservatives do? We can starve the tax dragon.

The power of liberals comes from taxes and unions. The more taxes they collect and control, the more muscle they have. The reverse is also true. Conservatives need to actively reduce the amount of tax collected legally by giving more to charity and decreasing taxable income, relocating to states that have lower taxes, buying products in low-tax states, homeschooling our children — thus reducing public school's income and indoctrination — more private schools, buy used cars, outsourcing jobs overseas to avoid liberal control, utilizing estate planning techniques and not buying products that are union-based; use Walmart, not Safeway.

Conservatives need to decrease taxes liberals use. This war can be won by taking steps to reduce liberal power. Treat liberals as opponents, as it is a myth that we are in this together — it's time to fight passionately and defeat liberalism.

Darrell Baumbach

Acampo

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137 comments:

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:12 pm on Sun, Nov 18, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    confused liberal stated...When are you going to start fighting for principles that make America a stronger and better place to live and come to?

    response... meaningless to respond... N.o comment

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:48 am on Sun, Nov 18, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Darrell said:

    Odd, I have always thought it patriotic to fight for principles that make America a stronger and better place to live and come to.

    I agree Darrell. When are you going to start fighting for principles that make America a stronger and better place to live and come to? As for Ms Erickson she is just stating the obvious.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:49 am on Sun, Nov 18, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Posted was...How unpatriotic of you. Small minded too.

    Odd, I have always thought it patriotic to fight for principles that make America a stronger and better place to live and come to.

    If one believes a centralized control center ( federal government)gaining massive power that in the wrong hands will destroy our freedoms, it would be appropriate to take action to diminish that power.

    In my view, it is unpatriotic and small minded to discourage people, like Ms Erickson did, from fighting for principle.

     
  • CATHERINE ERICKSON posted at 8:25 am on Sun, Nov 18, 2012.

    FRITZY9 Posts: 17

    Wow... You are a sore loser.. Lose and take your toys home and wont play anymore! How unpatriotic of you. Small minded too.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:26 pm on Sat, Nov 17, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "reality based community" and "the truth of the matter"

    You have got to be kidding Mr. Lucas. Seriously? For example,

    Just a few days ago I posted the following...

    Barack Obama told an audience of his supporters, “you know I tell the truth.”

    Below are ten flagrant examples where Obama has not told the truth and in fact has lied to cover up his own administration’s failings, or as a deliberate act of deception.

    The "bubble people" are those like yourself who are incapable of digesting the lies.

    htttp://www.infowars.com/obama-you-know-i-tell-the-truth/

    Mr. Lucas's response to reality and truth... "[yawn]"

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:07 pm on Sat, Nov 17, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Pavlov must have been busy with liberals helping in developing their reality.[whistling]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:46 pm on Sat, Nov 17, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    A proud Liberal. The pride of being part of the reality based community where winning the argument is secondary to getting to the truth of the matter.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:56 am on Sat, Nov 17, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    A liberal stated...I a humbled to be in the presence of such greatness and to think all you had to do was give up your integrity.

    response... meaningless

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:36 pm on Fri, Nov 16, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "I have some research to do now"

    Perhaps you could research...

    How many chickens you need to buy to get you of your malaise?

    [beam]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:58 pm on Fri, Nov 16, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Andrew... thought your post at 11:00 am on Fri, Nov 16, 2012 was interesting ...thanks for posting... I have some research to do now.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:01 am on Fri, Nov 16, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [thumbup]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:00 am on Fri, Nov 16, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    On Wednesday I asked, “Can any of our resident Obamanoids name one Bush policy that Obama has NOT continued?

    Two Obamanoids attempted to answer the question.

    Jeff Tillett posted at 10:49 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012
    “Allowing flag draped coffins of returning soldiers be photographed.”

    O.K., Seriously Mr. Tillett? This policy has been in effect since 1991! I didn’t realize that when Obamanoids say, “It’s Bush’s fault” that they were referring to Bush Sr.
    Are they?

    Anyway, in 1996, the U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington, D.C., upheld the ban after media outlets and some other organizations sued to have it lifted. Citing the need to reduce the hardship and protect the privacy of grieving families, the court held that the ban did not violate First Amendment guarantees of freedom of speech and of the press.

    So I suppose the photographs of caskets arriving at Dover AFB bearing the remains of military personnel killed in the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole were a figment of my imagination?

    Mr. Tillett also said, “Maintaining the pursuit of Bin Laden as the primary focus of our military intervention.”

    Good grief. Turn off your TV and think Mr. Tillett. Osama bin Laden died in 2001.

    http://www.infowars.com/osama-bin-laden-pronounced-dead%E2%80%A6-for-the-ninth-time/

    John Lucas posted at 11:31 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012
    “no torture”

    Seriously Mr. Lucas?

    Obama is still allows “rendition flights” – where prisoners are flown to countries which freely torture. This itself violates the Geneva Convention and the War Crimes Act of 1996.

    The National Defense Authorization Act (PDF) contains a section that says the president has the power to transfer suspected members and supporters of Al Qaeda, the Taliban, or “associated” groups “to the custody or control of the person’s country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.” That means if the president determines you’re a member or supporter of Al Qaeda or “associated forces,” he could order YOU to be handed over to the Saudis, the Egyptians, the Yemenis (“any other foreign country”), any of their respective security forces, or even the United Nations (“any other foreign entity”).

    You can read the relevant section of the law or you can continue to drink the Kool-Aid and live in your bubble.

    President Barack Obama may have spoken out against CIA prisoner abuse and claimed to close Guantanamo but it’s still there Mr. Lucas AND he tolerates the existence of Bagram military prison in Afghanistan.

    Bagram has always been a torture chamber. And what does Obama say? Nothing.
    He never so much as mentions Bagram in any of his speeches. When discussing America’s mistreatment of detainees, he only refers to Guantanamo.

    In fact, while President Obama boarded his plane to go to Norway to accept his Nobel Peace Prize, his Justice Department was effectively gutting a major part of Nuremberg. The Obama administration argued not only that they shouldn’t be prosecuted, but they said that you shouldn’t even be able to sue them civilly.

    Like I said on Wednesday Obamanoids, "If you honestly didn't like Bush, you can't possibly justify liking Obama, not unless you ignore the facts."

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:46 pm on Thu, Nov 15, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "inexplicably removed"

    [lol]

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:52 pm on Thu, Nov 15, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    Keep denying it and one day Americans will begin to wake up; then you'll lose.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:15 am on Thu, Nov 15, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Keep believing that nonsense and we will keep winning.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:33 am on Thu, Nov 15, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    Mr. Lucas, you're either under the delusion or simply refuse to accept the fact that the "policies and ideas that led to the greatest economic crisis and failure since the great depression" was not caused by just conservatives or Republicans.

    Indeed Mr. Lucas, the housing bubble that blew sky high was caused by the removal of what used to be necessary banking regulations that permitted only truly qualified people to purchase homes in America. It was liberal thinking that set forth the "idea" that EVERYONE should be able to own a home regardless of their economic standing or even their credit histories. I should know because I enjoyed the result of that bubble in 2005.

    After purchasing a relatively modest home in Lodi for a reasonable price in 2001, by the time it was necessary for me to sell it in 2005 its "value" had doubled. I received a return on that investment that was simply ridiculous - but what was I to do, say "oh no, I can't take all that money for a home I know isn't worth anywhere near that much?"

    Had I waited two years or so to sell I would have received not much more than what I paid for the house and if I had never sold the house at all, in all likelihood I would have lost it to the bank.

    It was the likes of Dodd, Barney, et al., who penned legislation to force the banking industry to open the vault to folks who had no business getting a house. And worse than that is they were also allowed to borrow more than the value of the home so that they could take well-earned vacations or purchase boats, cars or anything else their little hearts desired. And where are they now - and where is America now?

    So please Mr. Lucas, enough of laying blame to "the greatest economic crisis and failure since the great depression" on Republicans and Conservatives. There's plenty of responsibility to go around as it is.

    Of course, President Barack Hussein Obama is blameless regardless of his trillion dollar attempt to spend our way out of the economic gutter. JFK and RWR knew that wouldn’t work – but BHO refused to even take history under advisement and steamrolled ahead. Four years later we’re no better off than when he became President of the United States. And we’ve given him four more years to do the same things (or worse)? Oh yeah, we’re real smart.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:01 am on Thu, Nov 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    These monkeys are the living dead"Darrell, zombie monkeys really??
    I thought your schtick was chickens clucking freedom???

    response...Monkeys? What Monkeys? Bizarre.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:27 am on Thu, Nov 15, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    I did not retire from the military. I did spend 12 years in the military before I moved on. I WORKED while in the military, I didn't sit on my butt and collect checks and benefits.
    Anytime you encourage people not to take charge of their own welfare you are, in turn, weakening the society of a nation. Socialist countries are in a worse financial mess than America. Margaret Thatcher said it best, " the problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money".

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:05 am on Thu, Nov 15, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    He certainly has "Obama re-election shock" but I never thought he could discern between what is real and what he perceives to be real. He is the poster child for someone living in a bubble

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:25 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Your problem is that your ideas do not work in real life.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:05 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    You're absolutely right, Mr. Lucas. And that's the unspoken problem with conservatives. Obama received the majority of voters who are black, female and Hispanic. Who does that leave? White men.

    So what would happen if I were to suggest that the next election might include a real effort to reach white men for whoever is the Republican candidate? Oh, I can hear it now - the cries of racism would abound from sea to shining sea! Even as I write this and I understand that had more white conservative men come out to vote the outcome might have been demonstrably different, I'll be labeled as a racist - which, of course is not true at all.

    It would be nice if since we've now had a black president, that it should be okay to target white voters and do so with great effort and not be pilloried for it. But that won't happen. But that’s our problem to solve.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:21 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    [thumbup] [smile]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:15 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    You will never allow yourself to recognize it. You have a mote in your eye. You have a black spot in your heart.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:13 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    Exactly Joanne. Jerome also forgets the often rightous indignation of Ronald Reagan (or Geo Bush trying to imitate Reagan) which conservatives loved. I paid for this mike. Bring it on.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:01 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Robert said:

    you cannot fathom the fact that there are as many (or more) conservatives in the USA than libs..

    Too bad you could not get them out to vote it might have made a difference

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:58 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You mean like George Bush did with the war in Iraq and the tax cuts? Depends on your point of view.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:54 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    Applause to the great Wa

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:09 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Least presidential?" I guess Mr. Kinderman must have been born after 1974.

    The least presidential was Richard Nixon sniveling before cameras while announcing his resignation. The least presidential was hearing the disgusting smut that Nixon had recorded on his Oval Office tapes. The least presidential was Gerald Ford "pardoning" Nixon for, what?

    You just sound really silly right now, Mr. Kinderman. Your hate for Obama is showing clearly and it has nothing to do with his policies.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:20 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    Just one more question for you Mr. Lucas - when is that "competent governing" going to begin? Now that's what I've been waiting for from this president. Or do you really believe all that ramming and jamming down our throats was at all competent.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:18 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    Okay, Obama won the election. What's changed in America? The economy is still in the tank with all indications that it's going to get worse - especially if taxes are raised. But silly me, I keep forgetting that it's still Bush's fault.

    Now we have a president behaving like someone who won Student Body President instead of President of the United States. He's huffing and puffing and pounding on his chest calling people out as if to a rumble; hardly presidential. “Yeah! Go after me!!!” Good grief!! But then again, not much has changed. At least Part II of Obama-Rama is a tad more entertaining.

    I suspect that four years from now things will be either the same (or worse) and it will STILL be Bush's fault.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:40 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "These monkeys are the living dead"

    Darrell, zombie monkeys really??

    I thought your schtick was chickens clucking freedom???


    [huh]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:28 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Joe I do not see what you have against socialism. Did you not retire from the military? Everything was provided for you from food to medical care. In retirement they send you checks and provide medical for free. I have nothing against that and several members of my family did the same and it is certainly honorable. The fact is that for all your free enterprise talk you have been living in a socialistic system most of your life.I for one was proud to pay taxes out of my profits so you could defend our nation.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:05 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Not true, however you have perfectly described Mitt Romney

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:03 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Exactly, ANYTHING for votes. Somone explain to me how polls could show Obama and Romney 50/50 on Friday before the elections in one district and Obama garners 99.8% of the vote the following Tuesday? Even DICTATORS don't get 99.8% of the votes in the countries that allow voting. Something stinks, smells like democratic canine sewage.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:01 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Jerome said:

    All we need to do now is figure out now is how to have a different result in 2014 and 2016. The mistake we made was to believe that America would reject abject failure; clearly there are those who simply don’t care. This means that our strategy must be completely revamped.

    Jerome, you are in a minority in this country. Just because you forgot what happened in 2008 does not mean that most people did. What the American people did was reject failure.They rejected the policies and ideas that led to the greatest economic crisis and failure since the great depression. The strategy that you must be revamp is to stop peddling the same policies and ideas that led to that crisis.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:58 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Yep, remember when they screamed that requiring photo I.D's would be discriminating? They were, discriminating to the ones that perpetrated voter FRAUD.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:47 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    Joe, I see you're still spraying "Retrogressive Koolaid" into the wind?

    Your dispersal seems weak and ineffective??


    [beam]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:42 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Jerome said:

    No, I don't think the majority of Americans have a clue where they are right now.

    The majority is doing fine. We won the election. It is the minority or people who think like you do that are going crazy right now. Do not worry you will get over it. If Americans can survive the horror that were George Bush's policies, ideas and incompetence you Conservatives can stand 8 years of good policies, ideas and competent governing with out breaking a sweat.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:39 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Trying to convince a liberal Obama is bad for America is like trying to tell a 4 year old that Santa Claus won't be coming this Christmas.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 4:39 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    I'm sorry Mr. Lucas, but the only thing we lost was an election. I reconciled myself to that shortly after Obama was declared the winner. But to think that just because he won a second term we're to simply roll over and forget the things we believe in is simply ridiculous. That didn't happen after Obama won in 2008; why should this time be any different?

    All we need to do now is figure out now is how to have a different result in 2014 and 2016. The mistake we made was to believe that America would reject abject failure; clearly there are those who simply don’t care. This means that our strategy must be completely revamped.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:37 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    He always blames someone else on any negatives but sticks his ugly mug on TV and takes credit for anything postivie. Obama is a pathological liar, narcissist and will eventually self destruct. Question is, will he do it before or after he manages to run America in the ground.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:36 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    Folks, help me out.

    I don't know which one is more absurd.

    Our Paper Tiger or this Tempest in a Teacup???


    [wink]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:35 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Well, Crazy and Barny Fwank in the same sentence makes sense to me.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:33 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Kind of like policies that were submitted by the House that never even got taken out of the IN box in the Senate? Yeah, that's the liberal idea of cooperation.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 4:30 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    There is no common ground, Mr. Baumbach - there hasn't been for quite some time. The only time we'll come together as a nation is during a time of great calamity, like during the first couple of weeks after 9/11/2001. I remember driving into Chicago listening to President George W. Bush addressing Congress and the nation just a little more than a week after that tragic event. The feeling of unity was palatable - but it didn't last very long.

    Politically we're never going to see eye-to-eye. But certain important things have changed drastically. For instance, there's little respect for the rule of law from the liberal side. We've got millions of "illegal" aliens in this country siphoning off of the government, but rather than get tough on those who are here against the law, we're supposed to look the other way and act on the side of "compassion." When lawlessness breeds compassion we know we're in big trouble.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:27 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    MALARKEY

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:26 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Robert stated...Freedom is the key word in your argument. We are losing freedoms more and more each day. Mandating health care? Really?


    Robert, I'm sure there are monkeys at the Lodi Zoo that mirror liberals .. there they sit in a cage feeling safe and secure from predators. They have all their needs taken care of just like people on section 8 housing and food stamps. If they injure themselves a zoo doctor treats them free of charge. But then there are conservative monkeys that feel caged and living a life void of joy freedom brings. These monkeys are the living dead.

    Then there are liberal people who pay a fee to see the liberal monkeys safe and secure and appreciate the environment in which the monkeys are cared for.

    Then there are conservative people like me that refuse to see the monkeys that in my eyes are suffering.

    I see the zoo keepers as liberal government employees who insist they know what is best for the monkeys. Then there are people like me that would free the monkeys and let them run wild and let them decide how to live their life. Of course there are liberal people who would accuse me of cruelty to animals.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 4:12 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    No, I don't think the majority of Americans have a clue where they are right now.

    President Obama's "go after me" press conference today was one of the least presidential displays I've seen during my entire lifetime. Is this how he really thinks a world leader should behave?

    The White House put Susan Rice out there to answer questions about Libya - so why shouldn't she be held responsible for what she said (or didn't say)? Is it because she's a woman that Obama doesn't think she can handle the pressure? If so, then what does that say about Obama and his opinion of the fairer gender?

    This is going to be a pathetic four years based upon just the first week since winning his second term. Unbelievable!

     
  • Robert Marty posted at 1:37 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    rmartygeo Posts: 32

    I agree whole-heartedly. In very simple terms, I want government out of my life as much as possible. I will take care of myself and my family and those I CHOOSE. I don't need the government breathing down my throat.

    Freedom is the key word in your arguement. We are losing freedoms more and more each day. Mandating health care? Really?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:03 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I think Barney Frank said it best:

    You may not like us but the other side is crazy

    or what the old Montana guy said:

    Democrats make me ashamed to be an American but Republicans make me ashamed to be a human being

    I think that is where the American public is right now

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:56 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I agree

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:14 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    I noticed that during his press conference today, our illustrious president still blames his predecessor for the condition of our economy. A trillion-plus dollars thrown at this economy and Mr. Obama still cannot take ownership - this is NOT leadership. But then again, I've beat that horse until it's beyond dead. Obama is NO leader - so what should we really expect from someone lacking in one of the most important areas of modern politics?

    I'm sure as he's attempting to repeal the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution he'll cite Bush's tenure as a good reason to keep him in office forever. The really sad part is that many Americans would likely agree with him.

     
  • Bobcatbob Ingram posted at 12:11 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    99er Posts: 119

    John You rascal, You just couldn't help slipping in some sarcasm lol.

     
  • Bobcatbob Ingram posted at 12:07 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    99er Posts: 119

    So true John Lucas.
    I feel sorry for the GOPers who began to see the reality of the situation yet because they are 'faithful' people find themselves supporting and defending an Organization they believe in less and less. Change can bring about struggle especially in those who have strong beliefs.There can also be 'guilt' pangs because they struggled in what they saw /see as a 'commie' take over in a matter of months and they start to perceive themselves as 'traitors','turn coats'. So cut them some slack please, turning around on life's highway can be scary..

    In my own small way I have tried to help by reminding everyone how/why we as a nation need to think and act to best help this country become a vision of what is right and fair. The Demos alone might be able to do it but it would be easiest if the republicans help

     
  • Bobcatbob Ingram posted at 11:44 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    99er Posts: 119

    Good Comment Thomas, thanks

    ,"MR Kinderman When you talk of failed policies I interpret that as policies that have been blocked by conservative obstructionism "

     
  • Bobcatbob Ingram posted at 11:40 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    99er Posts: 119

    True enough Darrell, "Pretending that conservatives and liberals can work together for common good is wishful thinking"

    Leastwise with this Liberal ...wishful thinking is far better for our country than the combative comments that flow from the readership to chicken not to wear mask.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:33 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Your side has already lost. Get used to it

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:31 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    no torture

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:30 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    The interesting thing about this election is that the Conservatives could not beat a black guy with the name of Barrack Hussein Obama in the mist of not so good economic times. Of course the memory of how George Bush and Conservative ideas nearly destroyed the economy is fresh on peoples minds but if you could not win this election which one are you going to win? The Republican party is on the way out and if you want to why just read what the Conservatives on this blog write.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 10:49 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 546

    Allowing flag draped coffins of returning soldiers be photographed.

    Maintaining the pursuit of Bin Laden as the primary focus of our military intervention.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:36 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    Brian your wierd.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:34 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    Darrell your starting to scare the children. Take your meds. BTW the ACA was a conservative idea.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:32 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    In an effort to reachout, be bipartisan, get conservatives votes

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:32 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Robert, I am not thinking of this as poor or middle class collaborating to take from the rich, though that is an element of my concern. In my view, liberals and conservatives are equal in economic positions. For example, there were just as many billionaires supporting Obama as Romney.

    I see this as liberalism vs. conservatism. Liberalism uses Federal centralized control to tax and manipulate our society. I am not wealthy or value money. I do value freedom to control destiny without government interference. These freedoms are disappearing thanks to liberalism.

    I would not frame the argument in terms of taxation without representation as that is too narrow a scope. I also am not talking revolution, but simply encouraging action to defeat liberalism through non-violent means.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:06 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Barack Obama did not win in a single state that requires a photo I.D. in order to vote.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 8:50 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 546

    you do realize that you started the "imagine if" game, right?

     
  • Robert Marty posted at 8:28 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    rmartygeo Posts: 32

    Bobin: So, you have a problem with what Schnatter makes? He EARNED it. You know why? He had the IDEA -- not the people working for him. I too have a business and, if my taxes are increased, I will simply take more to make up for it -- at the expense of the people working for me.

    You should stop the liberal jealousy. It's so unbecoming.

     
  • Robert Marty posted at 8:25 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    rmartygeo Posts: 32

    Bravo, Baumbach!

    I have personally been at war with liberals for quite some time. I try not to even allow them in my house. No, seriously.

    Liberal policies fail. When a majority of poor or middle class can unilaterally vote to tax the upper class, you know that a revolution is just around the corner.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:09 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I agree with Mr Barrow. Stop blaming and talking. Time to take action and do something constructive. War is ugly. Liberals should not have started it, but it is here. Now it is either win the war or lose it.

    Who cares who started what. The war is on and there will be winners and losers no matter what. Pretending that conservatives and liberals can work together for common good is wishful thinking.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:35 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1513

    As the Republican Party implodes Conservatives desperately look around for someone to blame.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:33 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Exactly! [thumbup]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:32 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    yet neither of you can name one Bush policy that Obama has NOT continued... [sleeping]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:21 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    MR Heuer When you talk of failed policies I interpret that as policies that have been blocked by Liberal obstructionism and thats why they are not as effective as they should. However the economy stubbornly improves despite the Liberals efforts and Obama has not yet succeeded in steering the country in the wrong direction in the eyes of many people. Hence winning an election that by historical precedent had the odds against him. And the odds are still in the favor of the Conservatives to be the guiding light through this Obama storm.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:36 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Liberals keep on saying Conservative policies don't work. So why do they keep on using them?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:03 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    If one took this thread and found it a microcosm of what America finds itself in,
    it would be foolish and moronic to believe liberals and conservatives could possibly worktogether in a constructive basis. How ignorant one must be to be in a war, winning it temporarily and yet have no idea they are in a war.

    Of course this is war. Liberals admitted it when they forced the Affordable Care Act down conservative's throats without one conservative vote. When liberals attempted to convince the public that conservatives are ruthless villains willing to throw grandma over the cliff, they declared war. They want conservatism dead.

    Conservatives need to stop talking. There is no reason to wait and engage liberals with words or elections. If they do not have money to do the things they want to do, they loose. California will be the model conservatives can use as evidence of failed policies liberalism inflicts on society. California now as liberalism unfettered as they are the highest taxed state as well as elected liberals in power.


     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:45 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    very true

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:49 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    Well said John. It seems to be a lesson conservatives refuse to learn. When conservatives bemoan the fact that Bushs name comes up in conversations its not that liberals want to bring it up its them. When they say whats wrong with the economy we have to remind them how it collapsed under conservative ideas and leadership. When they say why is the deficit is so high you again have to remind them it grew under conservative spending for tax cuts and wars and deregulation policies. When they say why has the war gone on so long in Afganistan you have to again remind them that Bush ignored Afganistan while invading Iraq. Anytime they propose now tax cuts for the rich, destroy entitlements, get rid of regulations, deminish unions, you have to remind them, eh excuse me we tried that and it kicked our bums. So we are repeatedly forced to bring up the Bush name because they have such short memories and wish it could be different. Its that alternate universe bubble they keep trying to live in which had them believe they were destined to win an election. OOPs

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:40 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You may "love" history but too bad you have not learned much from it. The ideas you profess have been around forever and always lead to disaster. You might try reading some of what that Jesus fellow said. He explains very well why your ideas always lead to disaster both in our personal life and our public life.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:23 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    MR Kinderman When you talk of failed policies I interpret that as policies that have been blocked by conservative obstructionism and thats why they are not as effective as they should. However the economy stubbornly improves despite the conservatives efforts and Obama has succeeded in steering the country in the right direction in the eys of many people. Hence winning an election that by historical precedent had the odds against him.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:18 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    I love history, Mr. Lucas - I always have. But in all my life following presidential administrations I have never witnessed one like Barack Hussein Obama who continues to lay blame on his predecessor for so long.

    At some point relatively early in their first term, most presidents take ownership of the Administrative Branch of our government. Obama just can't do that; and perhaps that's why he's gotten a second bite of the apple. Nothing else makes much sense if one looks to history as an example. Indeed, no other president that I am aware of has earned a second term with the economy in such terrible shape compared to when taking the oath of office.

    But he's still in charge and I accept that - I accepted that he was President nearly four years ago. But what I won't ever accept is his way of "governing," if one can call it that. As I've said too many times before here and elsewhere, Obama is no leader - it's simply not in his character - he's a pusher. I suppose there are enough Americans who like being spoon-fed and coddled. I'm just not one of them.

    So, as his second term unfolds I'll continue to criticize, write a letter here and there while also offering a column or more along the way; unless of course one of his ideas for transforming our nation is to deny us the freedom of speech. I will promise you this as well: if President Obama does something that I agree with, I will make note of it. But so far – nothing; and I expect nothing.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:53 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Yea it would be great to go back to losing 800,000 jobs a month, a credit crunch unseen since the great depression, auto industry on its knees, 130,000 troops in Iraq, we torturing people, banks failing etc. I sure miss the days when the Conservatives were in charge. They really knew how to govern.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:40 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Jerome said:

    The big problem might be that even into his second term there’s still so much blame to lay upon George W. Bush.

    How many time has Jerome said things along this line. I do not blame you Jerome. The George W Bush administration was the high water mark for the ideas you and the other Republicans on these want us to go back to. It is not personal with George Bush. It is the ideas he implemented which you fully supported that led us to 8 years of unmitigated disasters. So when you try to get us to go back to your glory days of the Bush years by putting up the same stupid idiotic ideas on the table we will just pass. You may not be into history but most people are. Nor being into history and not learning from experience is what makes Conservatives the special people they are.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:31 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Can any of our resident Obamanoids name one Bush policy that Obama has NOT continued?

    Only an Obamanoid could claim to “despise the policies of the Bush administration” and then completely ignore the fact that every negative aspect of the Bush Administration has come back with a vengeance in the presidency of Barack H. Obama.

    If you honestly didn't like Bush, you can't possibly justify liking Obama, not unless you ignore the facts . [sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:04 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Actually you probably cannot see the hypocrisy.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:01 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    They did not support a war and duck out of serving in it. Surely even you can see that?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:00 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Can not stand the truth can you Jerome?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:49 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    I don't care what the world thinks of us. Whatever "warming" may have occurred on Obama's watch has no bearing on the problems we continue to face as we head into four more years of failed policies here at home. I say let the rest of the world fend for themselves for awhile. After all, who has it always been that has come to the aid of all other nations when calamities arise? Yeah, even under those administrations when the world wasn't so warm and fuzzy about us, we would still answer the call.

    It's long past time to fix the problems we have here at home and stop worrying what France, Russia, or any other country think of us.

    By the way, I have a great idea – it would be interesting to know just how much money the rest of the world owes Uncle Sam due to all of the “loans” granted throughout the last 50 years or so. We sure could use that cash now. But instead of calling in those debts, let’s just go ahead and raise taxes.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:20 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    And Bill Clinton along with Barack Obama served how many days in the United States Military? Keep in mind, that every one who accepts a commission or enlists in the Armed Forces promises to obey the orders of the officers appointed over them - including going into battle if necessary. Clinton and Obama both could very likely have been on the front lines if they had elected to serve – the former in Vietnam and the latter in the first Gulf War.

    Why no criticism of them?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:11 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    Gore didn't win; just as Romney didn't win. Imagining what might have been is beyond pointless. Still, let me give it a shot, ok? I would think that because of his admiration of his predecessor, Al Gore would likely have been impeached for just being stupid and most likely convicted in the Senate. Nevertheless, this would then have permitted his vice president, Hillary Clinton to take over the White House with First “Gentleman” William Jefferson Clinton really pulling the strings. (Much sarcasm intended, naturally.) Of course that would only be my best guess.

    Shall we continue this little game as Obama Part II commences? It could be fun! Or not. The big problem might be that even into his second term there’s still so much blame to lay upon George W. Bush.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 7:17 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    Mr Kinderman, I agree Liberals don't hate America and in their own way conservatives believe they love America however when they block legislation that is geared to helping America it is not clear where there loyalties fall. I agree with Steve that in conducting the business of the country with statements like wanting Obama to be a 1 term president and act to obstruct anything that would look favorable on Obama does not bode well for a case of loving their country over their party. When Bush (jr) was in office it was not us hating America it was the rest of the world hating America. They seem to have warmed up well to our current president.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:57 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You should start a website Joe. You could give the answers to all the questions. A person could go to the site look at what you say and come away with the opposite of what you say with assurance they would have the right answer a vast majority of the time. Do you ever get anything right?"

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:49 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830


    Obama Supporters Threatens on Twitter to Riot, Assassinate Romney

    Posted by EU Times on Oct 24th, 2012

    http://www.eutimes.net/2012/10/obama-supporters-threatens-on-twitter-to-riot-assassinate-romney/

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:45 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Good points Jerome. Incidently, it wasn't Conservatives tweeting by the thousands indicating they will riot if Obama loses .It seems to me it is Liberals who would put this country at risk of unravelling at the seams as a result of their riots had Obama lost. Now,
    the conclusion is clear Liberals only care about themselves. Not the welfare of the country as a whole.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:26 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    May be malarky to you but lets look at the record.
    When it came to serving their country in Vietnam:
    Dick Cheney said 'he had better things to do"
    George Bush used political pull to get out of going to Vietnam.
    Mitt Romney spent his time in France

    All three supported the war but they did not love their country enough to serve in it.
    I guess it was love of country. They thought it would be good for others to do it.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:20 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    May be hogwash to you but it is the main reason Obama is President.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:17 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Pure LIBERAL MALARKEY. The liberals want the 1%ers to fiinance all the deadbeat liberals that have figured out how to milk the system instead of working and supporting themselves. I noticed that our dear leader had the monthly disclosure of food stamp enrollment delayed until well AFTER the election. Yeah, Obama has the answers all right, let the rich support the rest. Pathetic.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:14 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I despised the policies of the Bush administration. Think about it if Gore would have won. First there is a good chance that 911 would have be stopped. Gore was very aware of the danger of Ben Laden. Lets say it happened anyway. THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO IRAQ WAR. PERIOD. We would have been out of Afghanistan long ago. There would have been no tax cuts for the uber wealthy. The collaspe of 2008 would have never happened.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:10 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    HOGWASH

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:10 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    MALARKEY

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 5:30 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    "Conservatives" love their party far more than they love their country? Now how ridiculous is that notion?

    Once again (with feeling, folks) - if Obama had lost the election last week and Mitt Romney was preparing to be president in January, I can guarantee that liberals would be incensed and screaming from the bottoms of their collective lungs against anything (and everything) that he would propose. To suggest otherwise would be the height of disingenuousness.

    This has everything to do with love of country - I don't believe that liberals don't love America, and I've never made such a claim. We simply see things from a far different perspective. To be against the policies of Barack Hussein Obama and/or a Democrat-led Senate isn't anti-America. Those who believe that now most certainly had to have been anti-America from 2001 to 2009. Is that how it was; did you liberals really hate America during Bush's eight years; or did you simply disagree with his policies? Fess up - it'll do you good.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:28 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I love this line:

    But this time I'd like the American people to finally understand that their interests are not being considered; only those who continue to seek power for power’s sake.

    The only interests the Republican party cares about are the top 1/10 of 1% in terms of wealth. If you think the people that run the Republican party really care about the evangelicals or the tea party people I got a great deal on a bridge. The only thing they care about low taxes and cheap labor. They threw the evangelicals under the bus with don't ask don't tell so fast so the could extend the Bush tax cuts in 2010. Do you really think they care about you, Jerome?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:20 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Joe Baxter said:

    Liberals want to force EVERYONE to think and act like they do, conservatives want to live and let live.

    Right. Tell that to women and gays of anyone who does not fit the bill of what Sarah Palin calls a "real American". You really need to get real Joe.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:15 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [thumbup]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:08 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Owners of a business are free to do what they want with their business. It is one of the perks of owning a business. It is not your concern what anyone else does with their business. That's a fundamental difference between liberals and conservatives. Liberals want to force EVERYONE to think and act like they do, conservatives want to live and let live.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:06 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2378

    One thing is clear and that is that conservatives love their party FAR more than the love their country.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:04 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    The Conservatism you talk about will never win in the long run. The policies you advocate will always lead to a disaster like 2008. They simply do not work and any student of history knows this.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:38 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Letter stated... This war can be won by taking steps to reduce liberal power. Treat liberals as opponents, as it is a myth that we are in this together — it's time to fight passionately and defeat liberalism.

    I recently donated a large check to a local non profit organization that helps children...which will reduce my taxable income to liberals when I file my next tax return( hope this does not appear too UnAmerican to you Treacy)..I soon will be holding webinars on how small companies can outsource just like many large ultra liberal organizations do. My business experiences in Thailand and China will be of value to others. Of course my webinars will be free for conservatives . Liberals will have to pay $500.00 for the same information ( which I will donate to conservative causes). Since Bill Gates employs 5000 Indians in Pune, India after he built his facility in 2006, I wonder if liberals consider the liberal Bill Gates UN-American.

    In my estimate, proposition 30 will bring in less tax revenue by increasing the tax rate. Defeating liberalism will make America a much better place to live. As far as working with liberals, I think conservatives simply need to observe the 100% liberal democratic support for Obamacare to shine truth on the fact that liberals have no intent or interest in working with conservatives.

    I want to make America a stronger economic power. Defeating liberalism is very important in getting results.

    I will do my part and I will encourage as many conservatives as possible to take action and stop talking.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:25 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    Steve you are absolutly correct. They are out of touch with the changing electorate. They keep preaching to the shrinking conservative base. They forced Romney to adopt their out of main stream rhetoric and into their alternate universe bubble and it crippled Romney. They would have been better off with the later strategy of let Romney be Romney. Since it came too late Romney alreadyhad dug a hole so deep he was trapped. Now the tact taken by this letter is more of the losing strategy.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:59 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Get over it?" I don't have a problem with his success.

    I DO have a problem with him taking out his political frustrations on his workers, just like the nut case coal mine owner, Robert Murray, who is laying off miners and blaming it on the re-election of President Obama.

    These men are simply cowards who would rather break the spirits of their workers so they don't miss a single dime of profit and personal income.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:54 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Barrow wrote: "As one pundit put it “all Romney needed to do to win the election was read the latest census”

    That is exactly why Sean Hannity is suddenly calling for AMNESTY for illegal aliens. His plan:

    -Secure the border
    -Give amnesty and a path to citizenship.

    He is saying exactly what I have been mocked for in this forum by several righties - they are here - we need to figure out the right way to handle the problem and get about doing it as opposed to the ridiculously unrealistic "self-deportation" plan.

    I'm actually shocked that he hasn't been physically harmed by his base for making those statements:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/08/sean-hannity-immigration-pathway-to-citizenship_n_2096255.html

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:51 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [beam]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:43 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "most conservatives are even more emboldened to reverse these liberal/progressive actions"

    Most conservatives? Like the ones who have signed up to have their states succeed from the union?

    Maybe Rick Perry will take some serious action on that one this time.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:40 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Chicanery-laden?"

    That is certainly a new one. At least right-wingers have stopped saying "shoved down our throats."

     
  • Treacy Elliott posted at 2:57 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 72

    My point exactly, ultra right and ultra left are so entrenched in their beliefs that they are unwilling to work together, and yes, telling people to destroy the school system, send jobs overseas is about as un-American as it can get. When your actions undermine our country who wins in the end, nobody. If you consider how vulnerable our country is right now, just imagine how it would be 4 years from now if everyone followed Darrell's path

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 2:53 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1513

    It seems that the letter calls for a war on liberals but for some reason the LNS titled it the opposite. This letter and many of the responses show that Liberals have no need to go to war with conservatives. Conservative attitudes and policies are causing the self destruction of the Republican Party. Their alienation of large groups of voters has been and continues to be their downfall. This is why the Democrats have won the popular vote for five of the last six elections. I said before that Obama would win because the country was becoming more diverse and alternative lifestyles were becoming more mainstream. One responder called HOGWASH on this theory but the exit polls show along with single women these are exactly what cost Romney the election. As one pundit put it “all Romney needed to do to win the election was read the latest census”

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:46 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    The interesting thing is there are many like myself who think Mr Obama is not a Liberal at all. Many of his policies come right out of the Republican Party. Obamacare and the individual mandate being two that originated at the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative think tank. I would have like to see a public option. However it is what it is. Liberalism has not prevailed. We have a divided government and we have to do what we can to make thing better. The extremists represented by people like Mr Baumbach will just make it more difficult. They just do not care what happens if they do not get their way and like in the debt ceiling fight are willing to watch as our country burns.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 2:35 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    There is NO common ground (or at least very little) - this is a concept that far too many people are unable to either understand or accept. Nothing's changed since November 6th (it's only been seven days!). Once again, do those on the left (or right for that matter) actually believe that because Obama won his second term that all of a sudden aisles are going to be crossed? How many times did President Obama try to find this so-called common ground since he won in 2008?

    Look, regardless of our sadness at the outcome of the election, most conservatives are even more emboldened to reverse these liberal/progressive actions that have done little to bring us together. Indeed, just the way that "ObamaCare" was forced upon us was designed to widen the chasm even further.

    No, as Obama promised to transform the United States of America, so do conservatives believe his ideas are simply wrong - to think that we're just going to change our minds because of one more electoral loss is silly.

    Again, what would Democrats/liberals/progressives be doing right at this moment had the outcome of the election been different? Would you then consider that to be "un-American?" Of course you wouldn’t. I would suggest that while you enjoy this victory, at least try to be a little more honest.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 2:29 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    Great post Ms Bobin

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 2:26 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    Could someone point me to the letter from the liberals that declares a war on conservatives and lays out any strategy to be followed. As a liberal, all of a suden, I seem to be drafted yet didn't know where the front is or what the objectives are. On the otherhand, this latest Darrell LTE offering seems to be a declaration of war on liberals complete with a strategy and calling for a decimation of the educational system. Even congress is admitting their game plan has to be changed. So some are realizing we are in this together. I guess I need to study up on Saul Alinsky.

     
  • Treacy Elliott posted at 2:07 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 72

    Mr Baumbach, Is this what the conservative leadership is hoping for America. I doubt it. Your comments are in my opinion (for what it’s worth) un-American. As non-violent as your suggestions sound, they will cause division and with division comes violence. We learned a great lesson from the Civil War and a bigger lesson from the war of our Fathers. Failure to move toward a common ground will only result in a divided and weakened America, when we focus all of our attention to a common goal, we are the greatest nation on Earth. The conservative platform did not provide a strong enough case for change in America, that is why liberalism prevailed. Do you believe that every liberal in America embraces 100% of the Obama doctorine? If so, I have great concern for you. Life and politics are not all or nothing. As long as there are ultra conservatives and ultra liberals that are blind to others views, our nation will continue to weaken itself to the point of no return.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:05 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    I wonder how Democrats/Liberals/Progressives would be behaving now had Obama not won a second term. Would we expect them to embrace Conservative values and ideas simply because their guy might have been sent packing? Doubtful - VERY doubtful.

    So, what's changed? Not a thing. Of course we're still in economic trouble; Libya hasn't even begun to be addressed; and it appears that another scandal might be emerging with Obama's choice for CIA Director. Indeed, the latter item might be most troubling of all simply because of the timing of it. In short, was the matter purposely withheld from the American people until the election had been decided? Not so doubtful; but were such actions illegal?

    But I'd like to backtrack nearly four years when Rush Limbaugh uttered those fateful words that he'd like for the newly inaugurated president to fail. Although the much heralded (but chicanery-laden) ObamaCare will become fully enacted and there will be virtually nothing that can be done about that, the reality of it will most certainly reveal that it was not what those who supported it to be. Oh well!

    But as President Obama and his minions revel in his victory, I am hopeful that whatever he has planned for us will ultimately fail. But this time I'd like the American people to finally understand that their interests are not being considered; only those who continue to seek power for power’s sake. An unleashed Barack Hussein Obama may very well be a very dangerous entity. Let’s see how many lemmings gleefully follow him into the abyss this time around. I still won’t be one of them.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 12:37 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    WalMart and Papa John's Pizza are non-union enterprises.The libs want the entire nation to be unionized. The more money the unions can extort from workers paychecks, the richer the liberal politicians will become and the more everyone else will have to pay for goods and services that are produced by unionized businesses. And the libs just can't understand why America is losing jobs to foreign countries The tax exempt status of unions needs to be revoked.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 12:29 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Why that dirty rotten owner of Papa John's Pizza. How dare him become successful and make money. It is HIS money, he can do what he wants with it. Get over it.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:23 am on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    And Mr. Baumbach spent the last two years lecturing about liberals being haters...what a joke this letter is. You are correct, Mr. Schmidt - Mr. Baumbach hopes to bankrupt the US with this so-called "plan."

    Thanks for the personal attack, Ms. Parigoris - another person who lectures about personal attacks, but engages in them freely.

    FYI - I don't think Papa John's is hurting.

    -NET income for the first three quarters of 2012 was 44.7 MILLION.
    -Papa John's owner originally stated the price of his pizzas would have to increase by 14 CENTS to cover the cost of health coverage.
    -Papa John's is giving away 2 MILLION pizzas as a promotion.
    -And NOW he has decided that instead he will cut workers hours so he won't have to cover them.

    Owner John Schnatter has a NET worth of 600 MILLION, and lives in a 44,000 square foot mansion -

    And he is taking his little hissy fit about the ACA out on the people who are making him millions every year.

    What a small minded person.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:32 am on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    This letter reminds me of a temper tantrum of a teenager. They cannot get their way so they do everything in their power to make things worse for everyone else. So called "conservatives"(for this letter in no way represents Conservative ideals) like Mr Baumbach are killing the Republican party. This childish regressive mentality is something the Republicans will have to deal with or it will never win another election. The Rush Limbaughs, Sean Hannitys, Glen Becks and their followers like Mr Baumbach are a cancer on the body politic. Their "my way or the highway" mentality is turning off more and more of the electorate. Eventually these demigods will find their way into obscurity. They always do. For our country's sake I hope that day is soon

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:09 am on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    posted at 9:18 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    http://youtu.be/t4aKOhbbK9E

    "and remember this video when they tell you Obama won by 2%"

    [sleeping]

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 7:08 am on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 546

    wow, that really has nothing to do with your criticism of boycotts, but okay.

     
  • Frederick Goethel posted at 6:34 am on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Frederick Goethel Posts: 50

    Sorry Kim, but your comment doesn't pass the sniff test. From the Washington Post Fact Checker:
    " China: Without evidence, the RNC tries to link the two facts — that Cree Inc. in 2010 received a $39 million tax credit to expand a factory in North Carolina and that it opened a factory in China later the same year. One has nothing to do with the other. The deal to buy the Chinese factory was reached in 2009, before any tax credit was received. Company officials made it clear that the Chinese factory was aimed at the Chinese market. "

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 6:24 am on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    I will be signing off now, before JB wipes the sleep from her eyes and starts talking about Willard Romney and George Bush.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 6:21 am on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Yes I did read the letter, and I agree with it. All you folks that got suckered in to Prop 30? The day after it passed the Regents were asking for a 6% increase in tuition. The income tax portion of prop 30 is also retroactive to Jan 1, 2012. A businessman who sold a tech company for 400 million will be forced to pay 13 million dollars more in taxes for that sale. Maybe he was planning in putting that 13 million back in to the economy- not now! We pay enough in taxes and our government spends our money like it was theirs. Government employees retiring at age 55 with 80% income- paid by taxpayers- when those people who are supporting them will work for 40 years and get 1800 Social Security. We are going to see in Calfiornia what happens with overspending, over taxing, over regulating- and now that there is a super majority in Sacramento, there will be no one to blame but....guess who.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 6:02 am on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 546

    Did you not read this letter? You're accusing some liberals of boycotting some free enterprise. Darrell is suggesting boycotting America.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:10 am on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Good point

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 4:39 am on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    And now the libs are calling for boycotts of Wal-Mart, Papa John's etc for trying to cut costs and operate at a profit. So in their quest to punish the dirty capitalistic pigs of free enterprise, they will hurt the very people they claim to be the champions of- the little people. Boycott these companies will lead to layoffs of people, but they can not see that through their hatred of the free markets.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 4:35 am on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2378

    I think the GOP would be happier if all American jobs went overseas.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 4:34 am on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2378

    This letter should have been called "Conservatives are at War with the American People". To the extent that this strategy hastens the GOP's plunge towards electoral irrelevancy, I absolutely encourage it.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 4:31 am on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    OK, now let's have someone jump in here and keep talking about Romney- in case you didn't read the news last week- he lost. We are stuck again with this train wreck of a President so let's talk about him and forget about Bush and Romney. Not possible.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 4:29 am on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    John, John, John..you really need to turn off MSNBC once in a while and quit buying the rhetoric.. This is just one of the many many examples of His Highness's outsourcing. And he uses American tax dollars to do it.."However, Obama’s 2009 economic stimulus spending law--the $787 billion American Recovery and Reivnestment Act--gave millions of federal dollars to foreign companies or funded domestic companies that built factories in foreign countries or bought foreign products.
    For example, there is the North Carolina LED manufacturer Cree Inc. Cree was awarded $39 million through a stimulus-funded tax credit program in January 2010. However, half of the company’s employees are in China and the company opened a manufacturing plant in Huizhou City, China in November 2009, according to an article in the industry publication LEDs Magazine."

     

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