Lodinews.com

default avatar
Welcome to the site! Login or Signup below.
|
||
Logout|My Dashboard

The extremists are at war, not the rest of us

Print
Font Size:
Default font size
Larger font size

Posted: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:00 am

In regards to William Van Amber Fields’ letter titled “Christians and Muslims are at war, whether we admit it or not,” it is simply not the case. We are not at war with any religion. We are dealing with criminals who use religious or political extremism as an excuse to engage in terrorism, whether it was Osama bin Laden or Timothy McVeigh. Good people, whether Christians, Jews, Muslims, agnostics or atheists, are allies in getting rid of this scourge.

Thomas Jefferson wrote his own version of the Bible, taking out all the parts that did not contain the philosophy and ethics of Jesus. These are obviously the parts Mr. Van Amber Fields has never bothered to read, or I must have missed the part of advocating war against the Samaritans.

The First Amendment gives us the freedom to choose our own version of spirituality. It also protects us from religious extremists such as Mr. Van Amber Fields or his brothers on the Muslims’ side. They are cut from the same cloth. They want to include the rest of us in their insanity. Thanks, but no thanks.

John Lucas

Lodi

Rules of Conduct

  • 1 Use your real name. You must register with your full first and last name before you can comment. (And don’t pretend you’re someone else.)
  • 2 Keep it clean. Please avoid obscene, vulgar, lewd, racist or sexually oriented language.
  • 3 Don’t threaten. Threats of harming another person will not be tolerated.
  • 4 Be truthful. Don't lie about anyone or anything. Don't post unsubstantiated allegations, rumors or gossip that could harm the reputation of a person, company or organization.
  • 5 Be nice. No racism, sexism or any sort of -ism that is degrading to another person.
  • 6 Stay on topic. Make sure your comments are about the story. Don’t insult each other.
  • 7 Tell us if the discussion is getting out of hand. Use the ‘Report’ link on each comment to let us know of abusive posts.
  • 8 Share what you know, and ask about what you don't.
  • 9 Don’t be a troll.
  • 10 Don’t reveal personal information about other commenters. You may reveal your own personal information, but we advise you not to do so.
  • 11 We reserve the right, at our discretion, to monitor, delete or choose not to post any comment. This may include removing or monitoring posts that we believe violate the spirit or letter of these rules, or that we otherwise determine at our discretion needs to be monitored, not posted, or deleted.

Welcome to the discussion.

175 comments:

  • Joe Baxter posted at 10:56 am on Mon, May 27, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    Typical liberal, blame someone else for EVERYTHING. Now THAT is sad.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 10:53 am on Mon, May 27, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    Joanne, thank you. Please extend my sincere appreciation to Julio for his service to America.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:04 am on Mon, May 27, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baxxter wrote: "How disappointed you must be that Bush wasn't a sexual pervert."

    Not at all. Bush was a failed businessman, alcoholic, and drug addict with a police record for DUI.

    Now really, adding "pervert" to this already damning biography would just be over the top, don't you think?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:01 am on Mon, May 27, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Untrue? Lucky this individual was not around in the McCarthy era. The Senator would have made short work of him.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:00 am on Mon, May 27, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [thumbup]

    Real, but misguided - something either only history has proven or was an error of the intelligence community.

    Either way, the Middle East remains a volatile region - we need to get out and keep out, but our commitment to Israel will be a continuing folly.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:55 am on Mon, May 27, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Thank you for that clarification, Mr. Kinderman - you are absolutely correct about the meaning of Memorial Day.

    I don't think that we take away from the ultimate sacrifice of those who have died in the service of this country by honoring all service members, past and present, killed in action or veterans who have died subsequent to their service from whatever means, natural or otherwise.

    We don't have enough "holidays" to honor those men and women who have served.

    Although my own father, who served in the Navy during WWII, passed away 21 years ago and does not have a grave site to visit, I was able to visit his "page" on the WWII Memorial Registry.

    I believe that it was Mr. Chapman who had passed on the information about this site last year and I was able to place my dad's information there. Anyone interested in honoring a WWII vet can go to http://wwiimemorial.com/ and register a loved one.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:39 am on Mon, May 27, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I disagree. I know Ronald Reagan funded Al Qaeda and Iran but I still think he was a real American

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:51 am on Mon, May 27, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    A "REAL" American doesn't arm and fund the same Al Qaeda fighters who killed Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:32 am on Mon, May 27, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2362

    While I sincerely do appreciate the posting Ms. Bobin submitted below where she thanks those of us who have served in the Armed Forces of this great country, it should be noted that Memorial Day is not the day set aside for thanking any of us who were not killed in the line of duty. November 11th would be the appropriate time to show thanks to us who have been able live long past our time in the Service and even those currently on active duty.

    Ms. Bobin is obviously sincere with her sentiments and I am extremely thankful for her effort here. Because of all days (aside from Christmas) designated as a national holiday, Memorial Day seems to be more about sales and things far removed from the solemn nature of the extreme sacrifice so many men and women paid in order to keep this a free nation. Therefore it is nice when someone remembers the sacrifice instead of wishing a “happy” Memorial Day.

    Having served during a time of peace where very few were actually killed on battlefields around the world, I personally know of none who were actually killed. But one name always comes to my mind on the last Monday in May each year: Air Force Captain H. B. Loheed. For at least two years while I was in high school I wore a bracelet on my right wrist that had his name inscribed. I am sure most of us from that era remember the POW Bracelets that were popular of the day owing to the many Vietnam military members who were either known to be imprisoned in such horrible conditions or were missing in action. Captain Loheed, while missing for many years after the war ended was actually never found. I discovered that he was finally declared to be killed a number of years ago when the replica of the Vietnam Memorial that was touring the country was erected here in Lodi. As I kneeled down to see and touch his name, I recalled exactly when and where I purchased that bracelet.

    I don't remember when I removed it, but I NEVER forgot his name, rank or branch of the United States Military in which he served. For me, it is Captain Loheed I remember each Memorial Day. And to all the other fine men and women who died serving in the military, along with Ms. Bobin I also offer my sincere gratitude.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:54 pm on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Not a violation unless a court determines the crime has been committed.

    But then if you were a REAL American, you would know that.

    Too bad you have never put on the uniform of this country's military. Maybe you would have more respect for those who have and for those who have given their lives to protect YOUR right to say all the *rap you love to say.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:51 pm on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    On the occasion of Memorial Day I would like to say thank you to ALL the contributors in this forum who have served in our military forces.

    Those that I remember have mentioned their proud service:

    Mr. Lucas
    Mr. Chapman
    Mr. Baxter
    Mr. Maple
    Mr. Kinderman
    Mr. Walters

    If I have forgotten to mention any names here I apologize that my memory has failed or that I was unaware that you have served.

    Thank you all for your service!

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:01 pm on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "None of these people were put on a list and were not mentioned in the letter."

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:59 pm on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Walter,
    Been there done that. Welcome to the latest festival of ignorance.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:47 pm on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I think it's sad that when presented with a fact all you can muster is more untrue ad hominem nonsense.
    [sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:24 pm on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    This is the kind of remark I am talking about. They did registration drives. You are saying they paid people to vote. Are you saying they paid millions of people to vote? Yes. Is it true? No. Just more nonsense. If you are saying the paid people to register voters that is a different thing. That is a common practice on both sides of the political spectrum. Your real complaint is you do not like the voters they register. If you really cared about voter fraud you would talk about Strategic Allied Consulting a republican outfit the Republicans had to fire in 2012. The owner of the outfit has been doing drives for the Republicans for many years. It seems those whose voter identification was Democratic their forms ended up in the trash. I see you do not want to talk about them. Like I said. You are all about Ideology not integrity.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:12 pm on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Meanwhile... as the LNS tosses out a lifeline to those who suffer from Cognitive Dissonance, the Obama Administration continues to fund the Syrian rebels in direct violation of Article III Section III of our Constitution.
    [sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:37 pm on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [smile]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:32 pm on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Critical thinking is not about ideology. Science is not about ideology. You are nothing but ideology. For you if it fits your ideology it is true, if not it is a lie no matter what. If someone agrees with you they are great if not you will come up with anything to use as a personal attack. I want to thank you for putting your voice on these forums. You are the best advertisement for Liberalism I have ever seen. Your meanness of spirit and complete lack of and understanding of integrity are what the Republican party has come to be and you are the perfect example of it. Keep up the good work.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:28 pm on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    "Your problem with ACORN or the new groups coming up to register voters is just they are not your type of voter".
    Right you are. People who are PAID to vote are definitely not my type of voter. People who are PAID to obtain voter registration.often phony ones, are not my idea the American voting process. If that is what you mean, Mr. Lucas, I am guilty.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:26 pm on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I think that it is very sad that we have an individual within the confines of this city who hates the United States to the intensity that they are willing to accuse everyone and anyone of crimes, conspiracies, and treason.

    Every written word reeks of hate and the desire to bring down our government.

    Treason? It has a name here in Lodi. We all know what name that is.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:21 pm on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I guess YOU don't read what you write, Mr. Baxxter.

    You just accused me of copying YOUR MO.

    So sad.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:19 pm on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    You "Think not"? Absolute stunning proof your Critical Thinking class serves you well.
    Mr. Lucas, please let me in on the GENUINE left wing groups the IRS went after.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:16 pm on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    If that class churns out people with your mindset, I feel extremely fortunate NOT to have shared your experience. Let me guess, the instructor was a staunch liberal, or perhaps even a radical liberal? Thanfully, when I attended college, the professors were not yet swayed by liberal indoctrination.
    I see you used a word from my previous post. No doubt you had to look up the word "excoriated" to find out what it meant and just couldn't wait to use it. Your are welcome.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:03 pm on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    Bobbin, you never fail to disappoint. So predictable. "But what about this person, or that person". Come on now, you could go back further into antiquity to dig up someone else to make your lame point. How disappointed you must be that Bush wasn't a sexual pervert.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:51 pm on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Soros is a "Christian hating sociopath"? I think not. Even your hyperbole is weak. Your problem with ACORN or the new groups coming up to register voters is just they are not your type of voter.The IRS went after left wing groups also but I agree that no group should be singled out because of their politics.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:17 pm on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baxter wrote: "Soros is a Christian hating sociopath that is funding organizations to subvert the American government."

    And this you learned from about two or three dozen Soros-hate websites, right, Mr. Baxxter?

    If you believe that being a Jew means you hate Christians, then I can see why Israel keeps trying to drag us into all their wars.

    As far a "pervert," as you have described the founder of the SPLC, I suppose we can put him right up there with a couple of the Founding Fathers (Franklin, Jefferson). Jefferson especially should be quite abhorrent to YOU since he deigned to sexual relations with a black woman. And Franklin was quite into sex with old ladies.

    And should we start listing all the sexual perverts among the Christian televangelists and the Republicans in Congress who have been caught in flagrante delicto with other women/men/boys?

    Or are you especially outraged that Dees has coopted a popular Republican/Conservative past time?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:02 pm on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I guess we won't be hearing from Andrew at all next weekend - unless he plans to tweet newly learned conspiracies from the conference so all of Lodi is up-to-date.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 12:54 pm on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    Leaving absolutely NO question about their biased politics and who they advocated for President, you would think the above organizations would have received the same extra scrutiny regarding their 501 tax exempt status. Nope. Not only did these escape the IRS shakedown, no left wing tax exempt group was grilled ala gestapo style. Wonder why that is?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:30 pm on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    This is why I had you on ignore and will now put you back for that is where you belong. This is what you wrote:

    Here is a link to the letter.
    http://www.splcenter.org/home/splc-letter-to-DOJ-DHS%20#.UaGSQpzn_ug

    If you look at the letter he is not mentioned. I am tired of the fishing expeditions you lead us on. The universe you inhabit while not being ours would be tolerable to investigate if it was at all interesting. It is not

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 12:25 pm on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1146

    WAKE SHEEP! (Greetings to all truth-seekers and freedom-fighters.)

    Conspiracy Con 2013 is next weekend.

    Where: Crown Plaza Hotel - Milpitas, California

    When: June 1-2, 2013 Doors open 9AM

    Website: http://www.conspiracycon.com/

    "Just some of the subjects covered are: Mind Control, Secret Societies, Shadow Government, The Federal Reserve, 9-11, Occult Technologies, Suppressed Knowledge, New World Order, etc."

    Favorite sponsor: http://aircrap.org/ "Monitoring the Planned Poisoning of Humanity"

    Honorable mention: http://freemantv.com/ "Space War News - Mark of the Beast and 666 - Illuminati Symbolism ..."

    Best quote: "Paying federal income taxes is voluntary, you don't have to."

    [thumb up]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:03 pm on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Unfortunately Mr. Baxter, that has been and continues to be the exercise.
    [rolleyes]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 10:43 am on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    First he demands facts, then chooses to ignore them. Perfect....

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:12 am on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    The best part of Andrew's info was the great article from SPLC on Alex Jones.

    I knew he was a nut, but that article really illustrated how far off his rocker that man is.

    And after reading the list of domestic terror incidents since Oklahoma City (link was included in the SPLC letter to DOH and DHS) - if those people and events listed don't scare the living daylights out of anyone, I think one would have to sincerely consider that person a psychopath.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:00 am on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    John Lucas wrote:
    "By the way Acorn does not exist anymore. Their great crime was getting people to vote."
    A skunk by any other name is still a skunk. The only thing that doesn't exist regarding ACORN is the name ACORN. They were forced to change their name after receiving so much negative press regarding their slimy operations. Same people run it, same people fund it.
    * In California, ACORN is now the Alliance of Californians for Community Empowerment (“ACCE”)
    * In Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Connecticut, ACORN is New England United for Justice.
    * In New York, ACORN is New York Communities for Change.
    * In Arkansas, ACORN has become Arkansas Community Organizations (“ACO”).
    * In Louisiana, ACORN is “A Community Voice”.
    * In Missouri, ACORN is Missourians Organizing for Reform and Empowerment (“MORE”).
    * In Washington state, ACORN is Organization United for Reform (“OUR”) Washington.
    * In Minnesota, ACORN is Minnesota Neighborhoods Organizing for Change.
    * In Pennsylvania, ACORN has become the Pennsylvania Communities Organizing for Change (“PCOC”) and Pennsylvania Neighborhoods for Social Justice, Inc.
    * In Texas, ACORN is now the Texas Organizing Project.
    * ACORN Housing Corporation (“AHC”) has renamed itself Affordable Housing Centers of America, Inc
    They DID get people to vote.They bribed one hapless stooge to register 17 times plying him with money and cigarettes. Eighteen ACORN employees were convicted of voter fraud. No doubt there were many more that didn't get caught.
    Soros is a great man? More liberal BS.Soros is a Christian hating sociopath that is funding organizations to subvert the American government. That said, I can see why YOU think he is a great man

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:29 am on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Translation: Don't confuse me with the facts my mind is made up.
    [sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:08 am on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    This is the sort of thing that drive me nuts about you Andrew. I am supposed to spend an hour wading through your stuff. Pick one and make your argument. Do not just put web addresses up for people to have to waste their time wading through.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:35 am on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Joe Baxter wrote:

    Mr. Lucas, please forgive me, I forgot you once took a class in "critical thinking".

    It was one of the great experiences of my life. I worked my a-- off and made an A+. 3 out of 27 made an A. The professor was the head of the English department and he was the meanest you better get it right teacher I ever had. He did not suffer fools gladly. You would not have made it out of the first week. You would have come up with one of your off the wall BS excuses for logic and he would have excoriated you in front of everyone. He did not mind when people made mistakes but arrogance combined stupidity he simply would not tolerate. You would have left in a huff, dropped out and the average IQ of the class would have risen considerably. I treasure what I learned from him.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:19 am on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [smile]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 2:27 am on Sun, May 26, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1587

    [thumbup] I always like the references to ACORN, a defunct organization.

    BTW Is there really such a thing a "good" grief?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:20 pm on Sat, May 25, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    None of these people were put on a list and were not mentioned in the letter. Their rhetoric advocating violence was noted in a report the SPLC released earlier. As usual you misrepresent the truth. Noting people use of rhetoric advocating violence is called a public service. The only reason I responded to you was there was no youtube video you wished to bore me with.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:05 pm on Sat, May 25, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You and Mr. Chapman are cut from the same cloth. Both of you do not insult me you insult critical thinking. Reality does not recognize denial. You made allegations against Media Matters and the SLPC. I asked for specifics. You provided none, nothing, 0, nada. When you make accusations it is on you to prove them. My level is that if I say something I have to back it up with proof. Your level is that you can say anything and we have to take you at your word. You need to retake that critical thinking class.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:26 pm on Sat, May 25, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    Mr. Lucas, please forgive me, I forgot you once took a class in "critical thinking". I never meant to insult a mental giant such as yourself. From now on, EVERYTHING you post I will accept as true and factual, proof or not.
    Apparently, Mr. Chapman was right, never debate a liberal, it drags you down to their level and makes you look as ignorant they are.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:24 pm on Sat, May 25, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    By the way Acorn does not exist anymore. Their great crime was getting people to vote. I know the people they were getting to vote were not your kind of people. George Soros is a great man who fights for the rights of all people. Neither one can by any stretch of any normal person's imagination be be in the hate category.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:18 pm on Sat, May 25, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Still not one group you think the SPLC has treated unfairly. Still not one person or group that Media Matters has treated unfairly. Please proceed.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:55 pm on Sat, May 25, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    Interesting that SPLC lists Christian organizations that promote family values and believe homosexuality to be a sin are listed as HATE groups. Yet admitted HATERS of America and our way of life, whose purpose is to ruin America, just don't seem to show up on SPLC radar as hate grooups. If the SLPC is unbiased, as they claim, why don't they list these people and groups on their HATE lists?
    Rukus Society
    CAIR
    Radical Islamic groups
    National Lawyers Guild
    ACORN
    Communist Party of America
    George Soros,
    To list a few.
    Wonder why that is? Oh yeah, like SPLC, they are all in sync with Obama fundamentally changing America. To WHAT? Socialism? Communism? Under control of the United Nations? Tell me Mr.Lucas, just how are these "fundamental changes" going to improve America? You should be able to see it all through your rose colored glasses. Enlighten us poor confused conservatives.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:43 pm on Sat, May 25, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Not even close to the truth. You made accusations against SPLC and Media Matters. I asked you to show where they were unfair to someone. What is your response? A personal attack on me calling me a typical Liberal who cannot accept facts. What facts about Media Matters and SPLC as to their being unfair to any group or person did you now or ever present? None, nothing, nada. You need to go back to some wing nut website where you can make up nonsense and pat each other on the back for being so knowledgeable. You have people here who can think and understand what critical thinking is. Your shtick is getting a little old but please continue. There are many people who just read and do not post. You and your kind are the best advertisement for Liberalism there is. We thank you for all your help

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:20 pm on Sat, May 25, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    Eric, for once I might be able to agree with you.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:56 pm on Sat, May 25, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    Even when you are presented with the FACTS, you don't accept them. What's the point? Typical liberal. Obama could be the only person for miles around, police could find him standing over a body with a smoking gun and liberals would try to figure out how to blame it on someone else. Sad to go through life with blinders on, eh?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:38 pm on Sat, May 25, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Joe, you always amaze me. You wave a bunch of unfounded rumors combined with hearsay, personal attacks and weave a story. If you really wanted to criticize the SPLC you would give an example of an organization who they unfairly said was a hate group. The same goes for Media Matters. What they do is take the actual words of people and put them out for the whole world to see. I know it is terrible to take peoples actual words and use them against them. Again show us someone Media Matters was out of line with.You will not do it because you cannot. All you got is innuendo, hearsay and personal attacks. That is what you are all about. Sarah Palin Lite

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 2:43 pm on Sat, May 25, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    More than Clinton I doubt it.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 1:30 pm on Sat, May 25, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    Bobbin posted, "Our Constitution allows all of this, WVAF included along with his brethren, all of the 800 + HATE GROUPS identified by the SPLC that exist in the United States. "
    Is that the same SPLC started by the Morris Dees, the womanizing, child molester that cheated on his wife more times than Bill Clinton ever thought about? The same outfit that embraces the Communist Party of America and is funded by gullible liberals and the Soros funded Media Matters? SPLC is a ultra left wing slime machine out to smear anyone or anything that doesn't support the Obama or Soros agenda. Oh yeah, they took on the KKK and Aryian extremists and offer that as proof they are "good guys". It might serve you well to investigate SPLC before you toss them out as a viable unbiased source. But wait....I guess if you think lockstep with their agenda, don't bother.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:46 am on Sat, May 25, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    This is a good morning. People on my side of the street have only been called liberal stooges with minds of mush. The day is young. [smile]

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:04 am on Sat, May 25, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2362

    Not that I necessarily find the comments in response to Mr. Lucas's letter all that interesting, the News-Sentinel should realize that its relatively recent change to this forum where "sub" comments are placed below and indented beneath the primary comment are extremely difficult to navigate especially as the volume of comments increase over the course of several days. I would rather it would return to when each new comment was placed at the top of the heap. Of course this is just my opinion.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:28 am on Sat, May 25, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    SPLC, now there is a bona fide American patriotic group. Right up there with the Communist Party of America that eagerly endorsed Obama and celebrated both times when he was elected. Wonder why that is?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:22 am on Sat, May 25, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    Bobbin, when I had my home built, it was designed with an "office" room. You don't have one too? You read EVERY WORD of the Constitution in high school? Naw, didn't think so.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:16 am on Sat, May 25, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    Ericx, thanks for an insight to your intellect.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:14 am on Sat, May 25, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    Whether or not you agree with Southern Baptists ideology or not, to eqauate them with al Qaeda is insulting and ludicrous. But then this is what we have come to expect from liberal stooges.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:11 am on Sat, May 25, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    Tea Party trying to destroy America. About as absurd and funny as it gets.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:59 am on Sat, May 25, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I wonder if those with minds of mush are capable of answering one simple question...

    Here it is: Has the Obama Administration funded the Syrian rebels?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:29 pm on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    and thus substantiating her claim that most of the comments that have no factual or coherent basis...
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:26 pm on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    an Obamanoid... [rolleyes]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:25 pm on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The video was from EURONEWS and was titled "US makes first pledge to help Syrian rebels with non-lethal supplies"

    IT WAS JOHN KERRY'S PRESS CONFERENCE ANNOUNCING NON-LETHAL SUPPLIES TO THE SYRIAN OPPOSITION LEADERS AFTER THEIR MEETING IN ROME!

    You are so ridiculous. [sleeping]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 5:03 pm on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    I didn't say you were I implied Kim was.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 5:02 pm on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    I know you are but what am I

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 4:57 pm on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    WILL YOU PLEASE STOP YELLLLING

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 4:55 pm on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    self perpetrating slumber I love that.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 4:33 pm on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    GOOD GRIEF!!!
    Al Nusra Front, the military backbone of the Obama sponsored Syrian opposition, has openly sworn it's allegiance to Al Qaeda. President Pinnocchio has openly sworn to arming and funding the Syrian opposition. According to Article III Section III of the United States Constitution by "adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort" PRESIDENT PINNOCCHIO HAS COMMITTED TREASON!!!

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 4:33 pm on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    GOOD GRIEF!!!
    Al Nusra Front, the military backbone of the Obama sponsored Syrian opposition, has openly sworn it's allegiance to Al Qaeda. President Pinnocchio has openly sworn to arming and funding the Syrian opposition. According to Article III Section III of the United States Constitution by "adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort" PRESIDENT PINNOCCHIO HAS COMMITTED TREASON!!!
    [sleeping]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 3:42 pm on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1587

    Ms Bobin thank you for the url in your Fri 11:33 post below
    Now that was informative and useful. I have to take my hat off to you for having the fortitude to take on the Andrew without throwing your hands up and saying I give up like so many of us do. His videos and links all take time and trying to enlighten him only garners insults and more videos and urls of nonsense. His objective is not clear here since he tends to turn people off more than convince people of whatever he tries to convince us of. So you may not hear them over the web but you have an admireing audience applauding and cheering your very capable efforts. For all your efforts you have to note how much you get in return from Andrew. Just insults because you don't agree to the lunacy.
    [beam][thumbup][thumbup][beam]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 2:58 pm on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1587

    Way to go Ms Bobin
    I decided to quit responding to Andrews *rap when he offered a video of people pushing buttons to explode their heads with a resulting gruesome blood bath over spectators and nearby objects. It was juvenile at best (video gamish) and sicko at its wosrt. No one is in more of a self perpetuating slumber than Andrew. He has the insulting lingo down (from Alex Jones) but he never has the goods (or smarts) to go with it.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:50 pm on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [smile]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:29 pm on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I frequently use the sleeping icon due to the fact that you continually choose to remain in a self perpetuating slumber.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:05 pm on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich loves to use the little sleeping icon because he knows that sleep is the only thing induced by his commentary and youtube videos.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:01 pm on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Unfortunately, Andrew, the only truth you believe in is the one you want to see.

    Once again, your youtubes don't support a darn thing.

    The main purpose of your silly youtube videos is to brainwash the ignorant by planting a concept in their "minds" via a clever title such as "Hillary admits to funding al-Qaeda," then these poor dumb souls view the video and they believe that what is shown or said supports the title concept when it does no such thing.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:57 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    You don't have an argument Mr. Lucas.

    The Obama Administration is openly funding terrorists in direct violation of the Constitution.

    The same Constitution President Pinnocchio swore an oath to uphold.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:49 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I'm not helplessly stuck in the false left/right paradigm Eric.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:46 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Maybe you should read Article III Section III of our Constitution. [sleeping]

     
  • robert maurer posted at 11:46 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 448

    Wrong. Al Qaeda came to be under the Reagan administration,when the CIA funnulled 2 billion dollars to the mujahadeen which Bin Laden recruited for. Simply adding to John's 9:19 am post, Mr. Barrow. The articles in those keywords back up his statement. BTW, I am an independent, and am not loyal to any party, and researched this without any leads in my quest for the truth with the info available.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:44 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Iran-Contra yesterday. Benghazi today. [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:39 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Article III Section III of our Constitution clearly states that "The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason"
    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:33 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Response to Mr. Liebich at 10:39AM:

    Then I guess you will have to request that the entire Congress be charged with treason, also, Mr. Liebich.

    Besides, Article 3, Section 3 has, since 1789, been the subject of a few Supreme Court cases. Perhaps you might like to find out what has been written since:

    http://law.onecle.com/constitution/article-3/43-doubtful-state-of-treason.html

    Pretty much should put an end to your blathering on.

    AND you are aware that most of your youtube videos start to cancel each other out at some point, i.e., the Hillary admits to arming al-Qaeda - which was actually the US providing arms to the Mujahideen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan - that was done under the Reagan Administration. The mujahideen are various factions, two of which are now known as al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

    Should we dig up Ronnie and make him stand trial for treason? Along with all the Congress members who voted for it? - well, wait! Did Congress authorize arming the mujahideen or did Ronnie run a scam like Iran-Contra to get that done?

    Pretty soon it is easy to see that you either know NOTHING about history, or you just cut out little pieces here and there that fit your conspiracy scenarios.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:26 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    Maybe you should e-mail Mitch McConnell he's been trying like crazy to find something to impeach Obama for, so far he hasn't had much luck.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:19 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Then I guess you will have to request that the entire Congress be charged with treason, also, Mr. Liebich.

    Besides, Article 3, Section 3 has, since 1789, been the subject of a few Supreme Court cases. Perhaps you might like to find out what has been written since:

    http://law.onecle.com/constitution/article-3/43-doubtful-state-of-treason.html

    Pretty much should put an end to your blathering on.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:11 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Atta girl Ms. Bobin. Resort to ad hominems when faced with truth you simply can not digest.

    http://youtu.be/cUw7-vwjFJg [sleeping]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:11 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    Thanks for checking I wont have to. The few times I have followed Andrew's leads I find they either have nothing to do with the point he is trying to make or are similar to what you are describing.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:07 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    Yelling again and so early in the day.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:06 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    wow all that petty snarky name calling I wonder if Kim thinks Andrew is "the left"

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:04 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Joanne, Andrew told me that if it is on youtube it must be true. Andrew has invented a new way to debate. We do not need to construct arguments in response to our opponents argument. All we have to do is throw youtubes at one another with statements of our thoughts on the mental capacities ( some would call them personal attacks) of our opponents. Andrew is a genius.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:55 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    If I wanted to be petty and snarky I could tell Andrew this is one of the few times I agree with him. Okay I am being petty and snarky [smile]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:55 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Here's a sample of Mr. Liebich's "civil" discourse just from this thread alone:

    -Unfortunately, as you know, there are many willfully ignorant and mentally oblivious morons who frequent this forum. Personally, I'm continually amazed at their willingness to trumpet their own stupidity.

    -The level of cognitive dissonance displayed by the Obamanoids, who frequent this forum is simply mind boggling...

    -The 2006 movie Idiocracy, which depicted a dystopic futuristic society populated by morons, is already unfolding...

    -The funding of terrorists by the Obama Administration is a fact Ms. Bobin. A fact you continue to fail miserably to grasp.

    -An Obamanoids never ending desire to trumpet their own stupidty is truly amazing. Is there any hope for these dopes?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:53 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    GOOD GRIEF!!!
    Al Nusra Front, the military backbone of the Obama sponsored Syrian opposition, has openly sworn it's allegiance to Al Qaeda. President Pinnocchio has openly sworn to arming and funding the Syrian opposition. According to Article III Section III of the United States Constitution by "adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort" PRESIDENT PINNOCCHIO HAS COMMITTED TREASON!!!
    [sleeping]

     
  • robert maurer posted at 10:47 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 448

    Good point, Mr. Barrow, check it out;keywords;osama bin laden created by us-various articles. (I read it and got it right this time.)[smile]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:45 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [smile]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:43 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich wrote: "Time for a Reality Check Mr. Lucas."

    http://youtu.be/WmGSiiZb7OE

    This is a great youtube video (by a noted Conspiracy Theory" journalist) that actually DOES NOT support Mr. Liebich's contention.

    It is pretty much a compilation of "surmises" made up with little factual evidence, unless of course you want to take the word of the terrorists themselves.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:39 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    GOOD GRIEF MS. BOBIN!!! IT'S NOT A CONSPIRACY!!! IT'S A DIRECT VIOLATION OF ARTICLE III SECTION III OF OUR CONSTITUTION!!!

    http://youtu.be/KzbvYYaQTZs
    [sleeping]

    http://youtu.be/vGaJ5T4ZmWY
    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:29 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Don't recall the comment that was deleted.

    Was I being petty and snarky?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:26 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich wrote: "Unfortunately, as you know, there are many willfully ignorant and mentally oblivious morons who frequent this forum. Personally, I'm continually amazed at their willingness to trumpet their own stupidity."

    No name-calling here!

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:14 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    http://youtu.be/vGaJ5T4ZmWY [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:50 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Time for a Reality Check Mr. Lucas.
    [sleeping]

    http://youtu.be/WmGSiiZb7OE

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:41 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    Great point can you say Al Qaeda?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:41 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    All religions are political in nature especially Christianity and Islam.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:40 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    I think if you will watch a little closer you will find that " the left ' is very civil when they are speaking with people who aren't constantly calling them names, demonizing Obama or their political party do you expect us to not defend ourselves. Are you actually complaining about people calling you names by calling them snarky and petty? you should look up hypocrisy.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:35 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Kim, you will have to get over the idea that you are the arbitrator of what is factual or coherent. That is what argument and logic are for. You limit your activity here because some of what you think is factual or coherent is actually nonsense that can be blown out of the water with ease. If you want to be taken seriously I suggest you suit up and put your ideas on the table and go mano to mano with those who disagree with you. Lately the only thing you have been doing is whining and crying about how everybody else is wrong, that you are not treated how you would like to be treated and making personal attacks on those who disagree with you( see your above post as an example). Grow up

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:30 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    Fact 1 2 & 3 hilarious I haven't see you present a fact yet just because you believe every conspiracy you see doesn't mean the rest of us have chronic gullibility. Are you yelling at us? Must have been past your bedtime.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:27 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The 2006 movie Idiocracy, which depicted a dystopic futuristic society populated by morons, is already unfolding...

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:22 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The fact that you can't accept a fact makes no sense. [sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:21 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Joanne are you sure you want to give yourself such a difficult task? [smile]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:19 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Brian Docktor said:

    Obama is still arming and funding terrorists. What part of this fact does Ms Bobin not understand?

    You have to get a grip Brian. President Obama is not President Reagan.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 9:06 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Precisely the reason I limit my activity here Brian. My head wants to explode at most of the comments that have no factual or coherent basis. Name calling, snarky and petty. The way the left converses.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:41 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Obama is still arming and funding terrorists. What part of this fact does Ms Bobin not understand? The lengths she and her ilk will go to circumvent the fact Obama must be held accountable for his actions. Time and time again we have seen this type of intellectual dishonesty played out by he and his followers. I wouldn't go as far as saying they are naive. There is intelligence present However, they aren't intelligent enough to realize they can only get away with this for so long

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:44 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Chrisitianity is not political in nature either. MS BOBIN.[tongue]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:42 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Ms Bobin,

    Do you know that Orhtodox Jews and Christian Fundamentalists have no intention of world domination because, unlike Islam, Judaism is not political in nature? AND, do you know if Orthodox Jews Ascended into power in Israel it would not be much more than a localized event and it wouldn't go much farther than that? Or are you aware of some passage in the Torah where Jews are really proponents of their own Caliphate and they are not as peaceful as they make themselves out to be?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:34 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Ms Bobin,

    Yes I know this. But that doesn't mean I condone it. Actually I don't think Orthodox Jews are a threat like Orthodox Muslims. We thank you for reminding us you have NO regard for Orthodox Jews and SOME regard for Orthodox Muslims.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:25 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Ms. Bobin wrote:

    But Mr. Dockter doesn't really care about the Constitution or the Bill of Rights unless it supports his opinions.

    -And Ms Bobin DOESN'T REALLY CARE if it's an untruth. As long as it sounds good and she can succeed in demonizing certain people she has succeeded. In her book it's not what's true. It's about her opinions Nothing else. I often thought I could have a face to face intelligent conversation with her. But based on the jibberish she writes here, I had to come to my senses and realize it just wouldn't be possible

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:20 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    You do know, Mr. Liebich, that your favorite word "Obamanoid" makes no sense and is an incorrect construction of the English language?

    Better check back with Alex Jones to see if he can come up with a correct version.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:15 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baxxter wrote: "I have read it many times over, starting in college, in fact, there is a framed copy on my office wall."

    Office wall? I thought you retired twenty years ago at 50?

    Starting in college? Which high school did you attend that didn't teach US Government?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:13 am on Fri, May 24, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baxxter wrote: "I have read it many times over, starting in college, in fact, there is a framed copy on my office wall."

    Office wall? I thought you retired twenty years ago at 50?

    Starting in college? Wonder which high school you went to that didn't teach US Government.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:50 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The level of cognitive dissonance displayed by the Obamanoids, who frequent this forum is simply mind boggling...
    [sleeping]

    ARTICLE 3 SECTION 3 of the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION!!!

    "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

    "The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted."

    FACT#1
    Al Nusra Front, the military backbone of the Obama sponsored Syrian opposition, has openly sworn it's allegiance to Al Qaeda.

    FACT#2
    President Pinnocchio has openly sworn to arming and funding the Syrian opposition.

    FACT#3
    BY "adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort" PRESIDENT PINNOCCHIO HAS COMMITTED TREASON OBAMANOIDS!!!

    WHAT PART DON"T YOU UNDERSTAND? [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:09 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I suggest you "just look" at Article 3 Section 3 of the United States Constitution.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:56 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1587

    Joe Baxter
    you said "When foreign factions advertise they are doing everything they can to bring about the demise of America, as we know it, SOMEONE should be paying attention." Would this apply also to domestic factions doing everything they can to bring about the demise of America as we know it? Then be very aware and pay attention to those posing under the various versions of the tea party. They have publicly stated and acted via congress to dismantle eveything we have come to recognize as American. We should be worried.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:23 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [smile]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:08 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [smile]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 6:46 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    When Captain America throws his mighty shield,

    All those who chose to oppose his shield must yield.

    If he’s led to a fight and a duel is due,

    Then the red and white and the blue’ll come through

    When Captain America throws his mighty shield.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 6:43 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    Nice

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:30 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    Funny you should mention the Constitution. I have read it many times over, starting in college, in fact, there is a framed copy on my office wall. On the other hand, I doubt you ever got past the Preamble. You really should read it before it is banned.

     
  • Lawrence Steinberg posted at 6:20 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Lawrence Steinberg Posts: 65

    No, they are more like the Southern Baptists.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:33 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    And your post is trying to make what point? The fact is that all good people whatever their faith is for going after Al Qaeda or any other terrorist group or individual. What some of do not want is a Holy war. It is this American idea that you only go after those who commit crimes rather than anyone who looks like or has the same faith of those who commits these horrific acts. It is about freedom and the rights of individuals etc. We got this thing called a Constitution, You might read it some time.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:31 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    If true, this is all in the great tradition of the United States of funding terrorist groups, dictators, puppet governments, governments run by drug dealers - you name it.

    Just look at the history of the Reagan administration.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:24 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Our Constitution allows all of this, WVAF included along with his brethren, all of the 800 + HATE GROUPS identified by the SPLC that exist in the United States.

    We even allow the Governor of South Carolina to have a white supremacist on her re-election committee:

    "According to a report titled "SC Governor Names White Nationalist To Reelection Committee" and published on Wednesday by the Southern Poverty Law Center, Garcia-Quintana serves on the board of the Council of Conservative Citizens, which is listed by the SPLC as a white nationalist hate group. The group is, according to the SPLC, a linear descendant of White Citizens Councils, which was founded in the 1950s to combat school desegregation."

    South Carolina - the "gift that keeps on giving." First we have the Appalachian Trail governor who cheats on his wife while sending the bill for his infidelity to the taxpayers. Now we have the white supremacist on Haley's reelection committee - ironic since HE is of Hispanic descent and Nikki Haley is of South Asian descent.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:01 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Either they are NOT arming and funding terrorists, or they are only following in the tradition of the past 8 or more administrations that have armed and funded terrorists, i.e., Pinochet in Chile, Contras in Nicaragua, Noriega in Panama, the Shah of Iran, the government of Israel - you name it, Mr. Liebich.

    What else is NEW? Are you naive, or just born yesterday and don't know the history of subversion and the US government?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:02 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    Last I checked, al-Qaeda jihadists weren't Presbyterians.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:51 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1886

    When foreign factions advertise they are doing everything they can to bring about the demise of America, as we know it, SOMEONE should be paying attention.
    From Wikipedia on al-Qaeda:
    On March 11, 2005, Al-Quds Al-Arabi published extracts from Saif al-Adel's document "Al Quaeda's Strategy to the Year 2020".[62][63] Abdel Bari Atwan summarizes this strategy as comprising five stages to rid the Ummah from all forms of oppression:
    Provoke the United States and the West into invading a Muslim country by staging a massive attack or string of attacks on U.S. soil that results in massive civilian casualties.
    Incite local resistance to occupying forces.
    Expand the conflict to neighboring countries, and engage the U.S. and its allies in a long war of attrition.
    Convert al-Qaeda into an ideology and set of operating principles that can be loosely franchised in other countries without requiring direct command and control, and via these franchises incite attacks against the U.S. and countries allied with the U.S. until they withdraw from the conflict, as happened with the 2004 Madrid train bombings, but which did not have the same effect with the July 7, 2005 London bombings.
    The U.S. economy will finally collapse by the year 2020 under the strain of multiple engagements in numerous places, making the worldwide economic system which is dependent on the U.S. also collapse leading to global political instability, which in turn leads to a global jihad led by al-Qaeda and a Wahhabi Caliphate will then be installed across the world following the collapse of the U.S. and the rest of the Western world countries.
    Atwan also noted, regarding the collapse of the U.S., "If this sounds far-fetched, it is sobering to consider that this virtually describes the downfall of the Soviet Union."[62]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:56 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Why are so many of you completely unable to digest the fact that the Obama Administration is arming and funding terrorists?
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:55 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The funding of terrorists by the Obama Administration is a fact Ms. Bobin. A fact you continue to fail miserably to grasp.
    [sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:44 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Jerome we agree. The second part of what I said prevents the government from setting up a national religion. That was my point. It protects us from having a religion forced upon us by the government.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:34 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Thank you, Joanne

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:31 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Thank you

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:30 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    very true

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:25 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2362

    Mr. Lucas writes: “The First Amendment gives us the freedom to choose our own version of spirituality. It also protects us from religious extremists such as Mr. Van Amber Fields or his brothers on the Muslims’ side.”

    I certainly agree with the first part of Mr. Lucas’s interpretation of the First Amendment that we have the “freedom to choose our own version of spirituality,” but I disagree with the second. What protects any of us from religious extremists is our own good common sense AND whatever it is we choose to strive for toward our own brand of happiness. As long as all of us (“religious” or otherwise) obey the laws of the land, we’re free to be as “extreme” as we please - the government should have no control over that. The Bill of Rights does not enumerate what We the People cannot do; but only what the Government cannot do.

    So while I along with the rest of my Christian brethren would welcome Mr. Lucas to join us as we worship the only Son of God Jesus Christ, he and every one else should always be free to say “thanks, but no thanks” and that should be the end of it.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:11 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1587

    Good letter John
    Religious Nationalism is a scary thing and often the goal of rigid beliefs and extremeism. Religion should be expansionist in its teachings but it usually becomes constrictive and oppressive. Most people in this country have accepted the principle of separation of church and state as Thomas Jefferson in recognizing the fact that there are competing interests among christians thenselves for dominance let alone by the state. The zealots often feel they are HELPING god by forcing their brand of religion on others. This is what god wants so we will make everybody conform or they will be punished (heresy laws). The idea that god needs help is absurd and laughable.

    There is little difference between christians and muslims or jewish or any other religion in this regard. The violence you see in the middle east is a reflection more of an impoverished (economicly and politically downtrodden) people who see no other recourse but through violence. On the other hand christians in this country do have outlets in our government to effect the changes they desire. They are no less vigorous in trying to sneek things into schools to indoctrinate youth with open prayer and creationism, rewriting history as in Texas, pushing for legislation to make christianity the official state religion as they attempted in Virginia, the whole gay rights opposition is religion driven, the ten commandments in courts, all the public display of religious symbols, pushing for national prayers (whats that all about?)and all the attacks on womens reproductive rights.

    So to simply say well muslims are more violent is to disregard the political and economic environment they operate in as opposed to the realities we find ourselves in. You should remember Israels violence leading up to their independence. The French revolution was a terrorist attack...to the king and queen (and other nobility) of France. The American revolution was the only way seen by us to remove British tyranny.

    We didn't always fight conventionally against the British soldiers we incorporated "gorilla" tactics which were just as terrorist then (with nuskets) as most attacks we experience today. Outcomes always dictate the nobeler participants. How will Iraq be viewed by history as Bush would ask?

    Then again what were the crusades all about? What was the Irish war between catholics and protestants? Why did Constantine find it useful for his war to become christian? What about the bombing of a black church in the south that killed 4 young girls? What a hard time other "christian like" religions, mormons, quakers, catholics, have had from the established christians? S

    o muslims aren't much different from christians. Its just a different time and circumstance but before you jump the gun here this doesn't condone or forgive their actions. Its just that the focus is us now and it is darn uncomfortable. And like John says its the extremeist among them and the extremeist among us that push for radical religious change. Otherwise people are people all wanting the same things we all want as best codified in the constitution.

     
  • Lawrence Steinberg posted at 1:08 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Lawrence Steinberg Posts: 65

    WvAF may call himself a Christian but he strikes me more as a Paulist than anything else. I have often thought that WvAF's was given some sort of defective Chinese knock off Bible that in which the New Testament only included the Epistles and Revelations.

     
  • Lawrence Steinberg posted at 1:06 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Lawrence Steinberg Posts: 65

    What a shock to see intelligence and good sense in a letter to the editor of this paper!

    Keep up the good work Mr Lucas.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:39 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Mr Fields calls for a Holy war against Muslims. Jihad is the Arabic word for Holy war. You do understand words have meaning?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:37 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Of course

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:35 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [smile]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:16 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Do you really need to ask that question, Mr. Liebich?

    Of course it is because he is a black, Muslim, socialist president who has successfully infiltrated the most powerful seat of government in the world and has made a solemn promise to CRUSH Christianity, while at the same time PRETENDING to be a Christian.

    WOW, You Conspiracy Theorists must be exhausted just thinking about this BS!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:10 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Gosh I miss Molly Ivans. The best thing Texas ever produced!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:08 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Dockter wrote: "That being said. One could conclude Mr. Lucas is in denial Religious Nationalism is a universal phenomenon."

    It is, Mr. Dockter, but if you desire to live in a country whose government is ruled by religious nationalism, I suggest you move to Iran, Israel (kinda), Saudi Arabia, etc.

    The US is not the country for you, unless of course you believe that the Constitution and subsequent amendments are not the law of the land.

    Perhaps you would rather adhere to whims of whatever religious institution floats your boat.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 12:05 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Hmm,

    So you're saying the Founding Fathers were in the business of disestablishing Religious Nationalism?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 12:02 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Mr. Lucas,

    You have every right to believe Mr. Fields wants to go on a Jihad. And you have every right to deny it destroys your credibility by believing such a thing.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:00 pm on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    But Mr. Dockter doesn't really care about the Constitution or the Bill of Rights unless it supports his opinions.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:56 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Do you actually know what the religious divisions in the State of Israel are, Mr. Dockter?

    Do you know, for example, that Orthodox Jews in Israel would as soon rip the throats out of non-Orthodox Jews, i.e., the political establishment in Israel, as accept any or all of the established political positions of the government?

    And do you know that if Orthodox Jews ascended to power in Israel, we would be dealing with a government much like that in Iran?

    Dockter seems to be a German name, but I'm guessing that the historical Dockters are descended from Orthodox Jews, given your strident proclivity to defend everything Israeli. That renders your viewpoints and opinions biased at best, or just moot, period.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:52 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    Glad to see you're enjoying yourself. Have a great day.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:18 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Murder and theft are also universal phenomenons.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:13 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Molly Ivans said you must have fun. I really miss her but Itry to take her advice.
    [smile]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:06 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    And this is why you want to include the rest of us on your Jihad? Christianity was brought to the new world by force of arms. Christian history is replete with war and torture. This is not about religion it is about behavior. Those who cannot behave need to go whatever their religious beliefs or no religious belief.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:59 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I am happy you want to go on a Jihad with Mr Fields. The fact is most of us do not want to join you.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:57 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Humans all share one thing. None of us are playing with a full deck. [smile]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:55 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Brian said:
    And Mr. Lucas thinking he isn't insane to accuse Mr Van Amber Fields of being cut from the same cloth as Muslim Extremists is INSANE!!!

    Just because you cannot see the connection does not make it any less real. Reality does not take into consideration denial.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:49 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    The Founding Fathers had a problem with anyone envoking Religious Nationalism. Hence the First Amendment.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:46 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    That being said. One could conclude Mr. Lucas is in denial Religious Nationalism is a universal phenomenon.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:44 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    John you hit the nail on the head. I'm sure you realize you have called out the local right wing nuts and you will be hearing from them shortly.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:43 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "excellent" Ms. Bobin? ROFLMAOAYS... [lol]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:41 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Cancer is also an universal phenomenon.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:41 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    Joanne is correct.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:41 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [lol]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:40 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Why is President Pinnocchio funding and arming Islamic terrorists who are killing Christians Mr. Lucas?

    http://www.infowars.com/why-is-the-u-s-government-funding-islamic-terrorists-who-are-killing-christians-2/

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:39 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    I presume Mr Van Amber Fields is a Christian And I presume Mr Lucas has a problem with anyone envoking Religious Nationalism.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:35 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Mr. Van Amber Field's is expressing his religious nationalism that one sees among, for instance, other Christians in the United States. Scholars sometimes refer to them as Dominionist or Christianists. It's the same kind of religious nationalism that one sees in Israel among the religious Zionists, whose loyalty, as they themselves declare, is not to the state of Israel but to the biblical land of Israel. It's the same kind of religious nationalism that one sees in India amongst the BJP, who have created a new kind of Hindu orthodoxy, Hindutva as they call it, whose purpose is to fuse Hindu religiosity with the state. Religious nationalism, in other words, is a universal phenomenon.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:20 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Will [thumbup]

     
  • Will Rainwater posted at 8:07 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Will Rainwater Posts: 44

    Absolutely insane letter Lucas!!! Keep up the craziness!!!! I`m sure all your politically correct brothers eat this stuff up!!! I`m sure you will be getting a call from the Obama regime as you seem PERFECT for a cabinet post!!!

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:04 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Thank you Ms. Bobin for re-enforcing YOUR notion you don't believe Mr Lucas is insane and it is Mr. Van Amber Fields we should be worried about.[blink]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:51 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    But far be it for me to challenge Mr Lucas's knowledge of religious history.[beam]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:49 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    And apparently Mr. Lucas is not aware of the fact that had it not been for Islam's political aspects the religion would have faded away Even Mohammed new the religious aspect of Islam was not enough to gain followers Once he advanced the political aspect of Islam the religion grew in leaps and bounds. It's in the Koran

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:36 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Excellent letter, Mr. Lucas!

     

Recent Comments

Posted Yesterday by roy bitz.

article: Lodi City Council votes to increase ele…

Another three two vote against rate payers. This one is even more upsetting as two of the three voters are lame ducks. Why would they try…

More...

Posted Yesterday by Todd Cronin.

article: Letter: Nurse’s strike is a sham, disgr…

I know EXACTLY who Fielding Mellish is! Love his New Orleans Jazz Band! As for the rest of your post, a thank you to me is in order for us…

More...

Posted Yesterday by Todd Cronin.

article: Letter: Nurse’s strike is a sham, disgr…

WOW eddy Not to hep on the concept of sarcasm and parody are you. And, what is spamful about my post?

More...

Posted Yesterday by Kenneth Huntley.

article: Lodi City Council votes to increase ele…

Isn't it a Conflict of Interest for Larry Hanson as a city council member to vote for anything to do with our city's electricity? I have re…

More...

Posted Yesterday by Jien Kaur.

article: Joe Guzzardi: Is it time for Nancy Pelo…

The downfall of a representative government. Maybe the United States should change to a direct democracy. In the case of San Francisco th…

More...

Video

Popular Stories

Poll

Loading…

Your News

News for the community, by the community.

Featured Events

CREATE AN EVENT

Mailing List

Subscribe to a mailing list to have daily news sent directly to your inbox.

  • Breaking News

    Would you like to receive breaking news alerts? Sign up now!

  • News Updates

    Would you like to receive our daily news headlines? Sign up now!

  • Sports Updates

    Would you like to receive our daily sports headlines? Sign up now!

Manage Your Lists