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Posted: Thursday, June 6, 2013 12:00 am

Every day I see gun ownership rights taken away. I’ve been around guns all my life. My mother’s family in the northern part of the state are avid hunters, and we were all taught gun safety and respect for guns, life and nature.

Maybe twice a year my son and I go to the range for target practice. We go with friends and have a good time. After shooting we stop for pizza. If a war breaks out I want them by my side. I know they can shoot.

Guns save lives. They saved me in San Francisco in 1969, Vallejo in 1979 and right here in good old friendly Lodi. When bad people know you have a gun, they usually give you a wide berth.

Instead of going after law-abiding ownership, punish the person who uses it unlawfully. I believe the death penalty serves a purpose, a necessary evil; if you do the crime, you must pay for it.

All these new laws are making honest people criminals — wrong, and downright un-American to the point of socialism. Our forefathers wouldn’t even be able to buy a gun today. Think of Andrew Jackson and Ulysses S. Grant, who lived with a lot of anger issues — they couldn’t own one. The super-rich can, because they can pay someone else to do the crimes and keep their hands clean.

Are we going to take the guns from our active duty soldiers because they may suffer from PTSD? They are still highly trained and able to handle a gun. I served in Viet Nam for 3 1/2 years.

I agree that no one needs an AK-47 or M-16 for deer hunting, or a dozen 50-round clips. If you need a gun like that, the Army will issue you one.

People have been killing each other since Cain and Abel by one means or another, so guns will always be around. Gun runners will be richer than ever, though. Only good law enforcement can prevail. The will of the people means nothing without backbone to carry it out!

Paul Jenson

Lodi

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28 comments:

  • Mike Adams posted at 6:41 am on Mon, Jun 17, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1383

    Simon allows no opinions by marksman Mike.

    Maybe I should copy and paste as well?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:07 pm on Wed, Jun 12, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    No I wouldn't. And there are.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:18 am on Tue, Jun 11, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Ms Bobin,

    It makes perfect sense to me that he would come to that conclusion. Unlike you I don't take it literally There is a certain amount of truth to his sentiment, though.
    Just like when you have said there are bigots around every corner in Lodi. It may seem that way to you. So, I'm sure you can understand why Mr Jensen would say "EVERY DAY I see gun ownership rights taken away."

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:52 pm on Mon, Jun 10, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    The problem, Mr. Dockter, is that this letter and its writer make NO sense.

    "EVERY DAY I see gun ownership rights taken away."

    Prove that, Mr. Dockter, if you think this makes sense.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:00 am on Mon, Jun 10, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Of course Mr. Lucas leaves out the statisitc that law abiding citizens are in far greater danger of being murdered by criminals in countries where guns have been banned. This doesn't fit his agenda that people who have no access to guns are less likely to be murdered.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:55 am on Mon, Jun 10, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    I don't know why the LNS allows an accusation like this to remain Now we have Ms. Bobin accusing someone of being a hitman.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:52 am on Mon, Jun 10, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Ms Bobin,

    Acrtually it's people like you who want to see more gun laws on the books even though the current laws aren't being enforced. Now, it's come down to the ten day waiting period because people like you can't decide which gun laws are politicly correct.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:45 am on Mon, Jun 10, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Mr. Jensen,

    Good letter. You'll have to excsue Bobin and Co. They have a habit of being critical of people who make sense. Their usual MO is nothing new under the sun.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:34 pm on Sun, Jun 9, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I am continually amused by your inability to digest a fact Ms.Bobin.

    Article II, Section 2, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution is Article II, Section 2, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution.


    Constitutional limitations on government, and our constitutional rights, are only valid if honored and upheld, something President Pinnocchio's administration fails at every time it conflicts with their agenda. The White House will circumvent the Senate’s ratification of the treaty altogether and declares the ATT ‘in effect’ by Executive Order.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:50 pm on Sat, Jun 8, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    What does marksman Mike have to say about the Obama administration signing the U.N. treaty on arms regulation in direct violation of Article II Section 2 Clause 2 of the United States Constitution?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:47 pm on Sat, Jun 8, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    What does marksman Mike have to say about the Obama administration signing the U.N. treaty on arms regulation in direct violation of Article II Section 2 Clause 2 of the United States Constitution?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:39 pm on Sat, Jun 8, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Secretary of State John Kerry said Monday that the Obama administration would sign the U.N. treaty on arms regulation.

    On March 23rd, Senator James Inhofe (R-Okla.) introduced an amendment to prevent the U.S. from entering into the treaty. It passed by a vote of 53 to 46.

    Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) introduced another amendment to ensure “that the United States will not negotiate or support treaties that violate Americans’ Second Amendment rights under the Constitution of the United States.” This amendment passed in the Senate by a voice vote.

    According to Article II, Section 2, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution, the President “shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur.”

    Do you REALLY know what that means? I doubt it. [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:02 pm on Fri, Jun 7, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Really wonder what's the big rush? Have you ever contracted a hit that you need a specific weapon for and find it unreasonable to wait ten days? If not, just be patient.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:59 pm on Fri, Jun 7, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    It's people like Mr. "Rainwater" that we have 10 day waiting periods.

    Socialist? Do you REALLY know what that means? I doubt it.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:58 pm on Fri, Jun 7, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Wonder if you know Garry M. - now with Western Health Advantage. Used to be a big supporter of Ducks Unlimited - a really nice guy.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:51 pm on Fri, Jun 7, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1383

    Walter: I echo your comments. I too have grown quite tired of listening over and over again to pseudo "experts", who in spite of various backgrounds, believe they know all about gun laws in CA. I also can't stand the "know-it-all" who I've found is more of a "know-very-little" yet talks a good game.

    Now people who just don't know much about guns are fine. I and probably you can sympathize with someone who's never been "into it". I enjoy educating them, and it takes a lot because of all the half truths, misconceptions, lies, and general bS they've had to absorb all these years.

    Although I would take issue as to the possession of a rifle with a detachable magazine that holds more than 10 rounds w/o the use of a tool. Several years ago, I thought what a bunch of nuts. I now have several and think people who have shot these and don't like them....what a bunch of nuts. Like you, I think of shooting as a recreational activity. Something to be enjoyed by families, and many families take part in shooting activities. As I mentioned earlier, I believe a lot of the "black rifle" crowd see them selves as modern day minutemen who, if necessary, can come together to save our community from some threat. I don't know what that threat is, but we can both find times in even recent history where communitees have been left to fend for themselves until order was restored.

    Although I no longer hunt, I don't begrudge those who do. It's a fine American tradition and an opportunity for fellowship or for families to enjoy a common interest. I prefer to put holes in paper now, and like you enjoy the 308, but am moving up to the 338LM as I like longer distances.

    Like most gun enthusiasts in CA, I have never plotted to overthrow the government, or shoot innocent people. I have used a gun to save someone else from certain homocide had I not intervened and would do so again in an instant.
    The kids are gone and although I have several safes, I do have loaded guns around the house. When company comes over, they are locked up. Why?
    Google "Victor" "November 1973". I lived close by that. And ever since slept with a gun by my bed. I have had training in how to use it. I have had training in when I can use it. (btw, "it" means "them"). I feel comfortable with it in my hands and confident that I can use it to save myself, a member of my family, or someone else with little collateral damage,

     
  • Will Rainwater posted at 6:14 pm on Fri, Jun 7, 2013.

    Will Rainwater Posts: 43

    We have a frickin 10 day waiting period to take possession of a firearm here the Socialist Republic of California, if they cannot find some reason to deny you possession of a gun here in the most socialist Sate in the union then you damn well shouldn't have to jump thru ANY more hoops to do so!!! What happened to "the land of the free, and the home of the brave"!!!! We are becoming "the land of wussies". I`ve said it before and I`ll say it again, "those that would sacrifice freedom for security, deserve neither freedom NOR security!!!!

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:06 pm on Fri, Jun 7, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "A reprise of comments that I made earlier this year"

    Joanne, no offense taken as I should of been more clear in my comments.

    I was referring to bloggers like the author and Gilligan. Silly and untrue statements like "Every day I see gun ownership rights taken away" and "Mr. Jenson is very right" are made because of ignorance.

    These guys don't know anything about the relevant gun laws in California. They're just passing along baloney they heard from conservative media somewhere.

    Hardly nothing has changed here in 25 years except rules regarding .50 caliber weapons.

    I am laid back...

    But I've been a gun buff since I got my first .410 shotgun at 9 years old. "Lotzi", my black lab and I still duck hunt every year. I'm a member of Ducks Unlimited. I still belong to a couple of gun and duck clubs, and regularly target shoot. I've been a NRA member a couple of times (most clubs require NRA membership to join) and a former rangemaster. I enjoy reloading and making my own "pro loads" for rifle, shotgun and pistol. My caliber of choice is .308, I prefer iron sights to scopes and the 100 meter range is currently my favorite. I also enjoy trap and skeet shooting, tactical pistol shooting and "cowboy" shooting. The wife, sons and daughters all shoot to various degrees also.

    I don't own any "assault rifles" as I prefer wood stocks to plastic. But there's no lack of fire power here!

    All of my guns are locked up either in a big safe in the den or a small safe in the master bedroom. All except my Grandfather's double barrel shotgun, it's hanging over the fireplace (however the firing pin has been removed).

    It's been a great hobby and frequently a family affair. Many of my life long friends are gun enthusiast. I've met lots and lots of nice people but a few wackos too!

    Too bad gun ownership has become politicized!

    Folks, don't believe the hype.

    We need common sense gun laws and regulations (Thanks Bob).

    California's gun laws would be a good model for the country to follow.

    [thumbup]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:40 am on Fri, Jun 7, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Chang wrote: "Disclaimer: A reprise of comments made earlier this year."

    I must apologize, Mr. Chang - I didn't click on the "9 more lines" feature and didn't realize you were reprising these comments.

    Wow! I really thought you had broken character as the laid back Asian philosopher with the razor sharp wit! Once again - you RULE!!!

    PS: To those who originally made those comments, I do not apologize for the comments made at 9:56 AM today.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:35 am on Fri, Jun 7, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    According to the news report, this guy not only has been on disability due to PTSD, he was also using meth and other drugs.

    I doubt that this poor woman had a chance whether the guy had a gun or not.

    You could go anywhere with this story: PTSD due to his military service in Iraq; lack of oversight by the VA (he was on disability due to PTSD); friends and family members not knowing what to do and ignoring the signs of real mental illness and drug use. Really sad story, though.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:56 am on Fri, Jun 7, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    This is anecdotal evidence. He had to plan and carry out a murder. I could give you thousands of cases where in a fit of anger and the presence of a weapon ended up with a murder that without the weapon it would not of happened. What you are trying to prove is that the presence of a weapon does not matter. Weapons are a tools that make murder easier. They have ruined countless lives and make all of us less safe

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:56 am on Fri, Jun 7, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Sorry if I offended you with my opinion, Mr. Chang. I have never claimed that I DO NOT own a gun or have OWNED a gun, so your theory is incorrect.

    As for the process you describe in order to purchase and own a gun, I believe that is the LEAST anyone should do in order to own and control a lethal weapon. I went through this process gladly, knowing that I and my family would be safer and, in case of theft, my weapon could be traced.

    I have held licenses for various occupations in my life that required MUCH stricter rules, regulations, education and exams. I've been background checked and fingerprinted for ALL of them and I wasn't offended by the process.

    Granted, those occupations are not listed in the Constitution as a right, but ANYTHING that one does that may affect the rights of another should be regulated.

    "A well regulated militia," I believe, means NOT having people run amuck with dangerous weapons. And various Supreme Court cases have also made it clear that the intent of the 2nd Amendment does not give individuals the right to do so.

    For those who believe we should go back to the days of the Wild West, where people would shoot someone as soon as look at them - good for you.

    I think we have evolved past that era and MOST people want to live in a civilized society and have the peace of mind that the person standing next to them will pull out a gun and threaten their life.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 9:43 am on Fri, Jun 7, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 445

    Night before last on the news, a 27 year old veteran,diagnosed as suffering from PTSD was arrested for the murder of his 33 yearold girlfriend of only 2 weeks,who has 2 young children. His roommate found her body in a container of acid in their garage and called police. It turns out that the man arrested had been denied gun ownership. He manually strangled her. With these common sense background checks in place (the ones Mr.Chang mentioned beolw) I wonder how many other lives were spared in this instance? This is only i example of how background checks can save innocent lives.We should be aware that many guns are smuggled across our borders and find their way into the hands of countless gangs and members' hands throughout the US, especially the bigger cities, where hiding is easier.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:55 am on Fri, Jun 7, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    The idea that one is safer because one has a gun is not backed up by the statistics. I do not mind people saying they like guns and they should be legal. What I mind is the bogus statistics and the anecdotal evidence they bring up to support their position. Guns are made to kill. You may feel safer by having a weapon but the reality is that you are making yourself and those you live with you less safe. That is the reality.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 7:23 pm on Thu, Jun 6, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1383

    Joanne: I agree. As a gun owner myself (an avid enthusiast) when I see a letter like this it I have to wonder if any of it is true.

    Agree: What gun rights are being taken away? Right here? Right now? In California?
    (To get the jump on those who are not gun enthusiasts, but are anti-democrat zealots, I note that several bills have gone to the CA Senate to the committee with the Legislature so that the Legislature can vote on them) I read the info the NRA sends out.
    Everything is URGENT.

    I suspect this letter is from someone who means well, but just doesn't understand how bills become laws, or the difference between "laws" and "regulations". He also doesn't understand that individual states have many gun laws or that the gun laws in Connecticut don't apply to California.

    "Our forefathers wouldn’t even be able to buy a gun today. Think of Andrew Jackson and Ulysses S. Grant, who lived with a lot of anger issues — they couldn’t own one."
    "Anger issues" does not prevent you from owning or buying a gun. Jeez....enough with the generalities.

    The background checks look for past convictions for mostly violent crimes or restraining orders or pending court actions. Or crimes you have committed (and convictions) of laws that prohibit gun ownership. No one talks to your psychiatrist or family doctor to see if you want to shoot down a police heliocopter.

    Yes....gun ownership and possession by law abiding individuals can and has prevented more serious crimes from being committed. I can attest to that. There is an old lady alive today because of my gun (and me). Well actually, she's dead now, but not from criminal activity.

    "If a war breaks out I want them by my side. I know they can shoot." I believe most gun enthusiasts feel the same way. It's not likely to happen (oh..here we go again with the conspiracies and the youtube videos, doctored accounts, outright lies), but I believe most of us, the author to, see ourselves as modern day minutemen (and women to), taking a stand against foreign invaders, slowing them until the Army arrives.

    Next time, focus on the topic. Get 3 or 4 good talking points, back it up with research (if needed, it never hurts to include it as well, just stay away from the looney conspiracy garbage...it gets picked up right away and the reader thinks you're just another nutcase). Maybe, just a letter relating how your gun(s) saved you and your families lives. Tight and to the point. Don't try and say to much in one letter. And if you are going to include information, please make sure it is correct.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 7:10 pm on Thu, Jun 6, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    Folks, why are the GUN RIGHTS bloggers who own NO GUNS always the most prolific posters in these discussions?

    They're ignorant of California's gun laws and regulations.

    They've had no experience with gun enthusiast, collectors or hunters. They've perhaps never been to a gun store, a gun range or on a hunt. They may have never taken a gun or hunting safety class. They definitely never made a gun purchase - providing identification, providing proof of residency, filling out numerous forms, providing a thumb print, taking an written examination (handgun), showing gun handling competency (handgun), paying the taxes and fees, buying a lock (or proving you own a safe) and then finally WAITING TEN DAYS to take delivery of your purchase.

    This is California.

    I'm a gun enthusiast, collector and hunter.

    I do not need flash suppressors, pistol grips or 20 round magazines.

    If Washington comes up anything like California's laws - that would be a good thing.

    [thumbup]


    Disclaimer: A reprise of comments made earlier this year.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:28 pm on Thu, Jun 6, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    It never ceases to amaze me that when "gun rights" individuals write letters to the editor, they have absolutely no cohesion. They are all over the map with statements that have nothing to do with anything.

    I'm curious what "gun ownership rights" Mr. Jensen sees being "taken away" on a daily basis.

    "If war breaks out?" What kind of war? Civil war?

    I have no problem with responsible gun ownership, which Mr. Jensen seems to be trying to represent, but most of this ramblings are sheer nonsense.

    "All these new laws are making honest people criminals — wrong, and downright un-American to the point of socialism."

    "To the point of socialism?" I am sure that Mr. Jensen really has no idea what that could possibly mean and is just throwing out a popular catchphrase.

    Here's an interesting quote from an individual who was writing about gun control being socialist:

    "When we study socialist countries - be they Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union or too many others - we find a concept in the law called "crimes against the state."

    I won't point out the obvious misinformation from this quote, but this is the kind of silliness that people like Mr. Jensen lap up.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:48 am on Thu, Jun 6, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Unfortunately, Mr. Jenson is very right. Violence will always be a part of humanity. Do not believe the lies the liberals are spinning about gun homicide and violence. The facts are clear, since early 1990's homicide by firearms has DECLINED by approximately 49%. Non fatal firearm violence has also DECLINED during the same period by an astonishing 72%. This information is easily available to anyone that cares to do the research. These are verifiable facts our liberal administration do not want you to know, they just don't fit in with their gun control agenda.

     

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