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• Andrew Liebich posted at 7:05 pm on Wed, Aug 22, 2012.

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  The Flight Data Recorder of flight 77 as provided by the NTSB is not credible?
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• Mike Adams posted at 6:09 pm on Wed, Aug 22, 2012.

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  Mike Adams posted at 10:39 am on Tue, Oct 4, 2011.
  "You raise many good questions and seem to have information to back it up. Again, I wonder how a big plane could fly into the pentagon and basically disappear."

  Initially, I thought weasel (andrewlieallthetime) was normal. It was when I watched his stupid pentagon fly in that everything became more focused. The video was just a 2nd rate animation of what some conspiracy theorist thought he could get away with. The lower tier narrative was some other kook describing what his video showed, not what really happened. I've discovered a lot of weasel's (andrewlieallthetime) video material is like this.

  Also by luck, I had been reading that morning an account by a United States Air Force officer describing what happened that morning. She and her flight leader had been told to scramble to locate and shoot down civiilian airliners using the flight profile NYC planes were (Low and very fast). Now on her aircraft (F 16) had no missles, nor did her flight leader. She had maybe 100 practice rounds for her gun.
  Keep in mind that Andrew's is not a base tasked with NORAD. I believe there are or were only 2 on the east coast at the time. So what's the big deal with NORAD?
  NORAD operates on different frequencies than Andrews was using. Also at the time NORAD (in Wyoming) wasn't operating 24 hours a day, plus, NORADs radar pointed out from the US and Canada, not in. How does this fit in? (Well, keep up here now) You had civilian ATC talking to USAF (and joint commands) trying to vector 2 unarmed aircraft (the only two launched at that time for the entire east coast with no assistance from NORAD who wouldn't have seen the planes anyway because they were looking out of North America and not into it. By this time, the two aircraft had hit the twin towers and within minutes, plane 3 plowed into the Pentagon if it hadn't already done so. Near or right after the last plane went down, the VP authorized the two fighters to engage and shoot down any aircraft that was flying an attack profile. This is the account of an officer in the USAF who doesn't lie.

  So weasel (andrewliesallthetime) thinks this is part of some conspiracy. And let's say it was a conspiracy? If it was a conspiracy, why vector them out to sea? Why not fake mechanical trouble and not take off? If you were a conspirator, you would have thought all 4 planes had hit their objectives at roughly the same time because you didn't know the Boston plane took off almost an hour late. You would have known (incorrectly)that all 4 planes hit their targets.

  So here it is: which one of us is the kook? Me who provides information written exclusively by me (unless cited like the beginning of this post); me who has an excellent memory?; me, who likes to be skeptical and requires some proof when suspect information is revealed? Me, who accepts the word of an officer in the USAF, as she cannot lie?

  Or is the weasel really the kook: Believes 9-11 was a action by I don't know who, but someone. Only real kooks know the answer. Is the weasel the kook who only copies the information from other sources (copy and paste) and passes it off as his own? Or copies and pastes a letter to the editor (and the editor didn't bother to check it)? Who believes the government is pouring toxic, mind control substances of an unsuspecting populace using the vapor trails of passenger jets over the US? Too extreme? What about the government program where the government has trucks drive up and down residential streets and applies radar and mechanical snifters to sniff out what the homeowner is doing? Is the weasel a kook because he resolutely stands by his claim that the word "freedom" is not used in any UN document? Is the weasel most kooky because he copies and stores my posts for later use? You got to admit, that goes beyond kooky into the weirdo state.
  Or does the weasel just think I'm after him?

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• Andrew Liebich posted at 12:38 pm on Wed, Aug 22, 2012.

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  The Flight Data Recorder of flight 77 as provided by the NTSB is not credible?
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• Mike Adams posted at 11:56 am on Wed, Aug 22, 2012.

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  Weasel: "Anyone interested in educating and informing themselves about flight 77 should watch this... http://youtu.be/z268kPghpH8"

  Anyone interested in Flight 77, or anything 9-11 related, should regard any submissions by the weasel as either the result of a bunch of miss-assumptions or deliberate propaganda of the far right wing. None of it credible as ANY source of informaton.

  (And I did watch your dumb long-a video also I have discovered that a lot of plane material survived)
  You see, when I disagreed with weasel he started calling me names.
  Even when I pointed out testimony from one of the Andrew's interceptors, he disregarded it because it didn't fit his conspiracy. Well, what do you expect. I have truth on my side and he has nothing but one conspiratorial scheme after another. But fellow posters, you be the judge. You decide who is the kook.

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• Andrew Liebich posted at 8:13 am on Wed, Aug 22, 2012.

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  Mike Adams posted at 10:39 am on Tue, Oct 4, 2011.
  "You raise many good questions and seem to have information to back it up. Again, I wonder how a big plane could fly into the pentagon and basically disappear."

  At least admit to yourself Mike that you didn't even watch the video. The Pentagon was referenced for a total of 4.5 seconds. "This group?" James Corbett is not a group Mike.
  [sleeping]

  Anyone interested in educating and informing themselves about flight 77 should watch this... http://youtu.be/z268kPghpH8

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• Mike Adams posted at 6:41 am on Wed, Aug 22, 2012.

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  Andrew Liebich posted at 6:43 pm on Tue, Aug 21, 2012.

  Referencing a "faked passenger plane into the pentagon, 9-11-2001.

  A plane did crash into the pentagon, just not at the angle and position pushed by this group. If you don't believe every frame of it, weasle calls you names.

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• Andrew Liebich posted at 6:43 pm on Tue, Aug 21, 2012.

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  They did... http://youtu.be/yuC_4mGTs98

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• L. Christopher Bird posted at 6:51 pm on Mon, Aug 20, 2012.

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  If NASA was willing to fake moon landings between 1969 and 1972, why have they not faked something even MORE amazing in 40 years?

  People watched the Saturn V rockets filled with 3,000 tons of rocket fuel launch. Where do you think they went?

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• Mike Adams posted at 5:29 pm on Sun, Aug 19, 2012.

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  DB: An "informed fellow", way too much into conspiracies (and let's call it that since that's what it is, and again, it's always the same exact people time after time) had what he considered "proof" that men were not on the moon. That being that since there was no atmosphere on the moon, there was no way for light to refract and reflect off of the chemical compounds most of us just call "air". No maybe he had a point, but since most of the moon consists of very white reflective dust, or even the darker shades, and light is reflected off of that material. That's why we can see it at night.

  Now a true conspiracy theorist (from here on identified as "CT") would say "what about when the moon is half full or a quarter full? Well, go outside and look with binocculors the next time there is a less than full moon. You can still see the unlit portion, mostly because of light reflected of Earth, but some comes from the moon itself. You can explain that to a CT and it will have absolutely ZERO effect.

  BTW there was a very interesting show, maybe just the pilot, but I think of couple of episodes, called "Salvage 1" or some such thing. The show was based on a junkyard dealer who built a rocket to go up to the moon and bring back all the scientific stuff we left there to break it down and resell it. We call it recycling now. I thought it was very entertaining but look, how many dramatic places can you go to pick up junk? Bottom of the ocean. Antartica. Mt. Everest (just bring down all the bodies!!!), Kansas, OK that's about it.

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• Steve Schmidt posted at 4:34 pm on Sun, Aug 19, 2012.

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  LOL! Its a time machine AND you can plug it into a car! It really sets it apart from the competition.

  I wonder if the idea was to send the whole car back in time ala Army of Darkness. Imagine the possibilities! Alexander the Great was way cool but he would have been EVEN cooler if he had led his armies into battle from the drivers seat of a low-rider Chevy Pimpala!
  

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• Steve Schmidt posted at 4:29 pm on Sun, Aug 19, 2012.

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  Yeah, NASA put a rod across the top of the thing because they thought a limp American flag on the moon would look less than inspiring.

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• Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:50 pm on Sun, Aug 19, 2012.

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  Mr Kelly stated...our flag wasn't even blowing in the breeze like it should have been..

  I think Mr Kelly accidentally misstated what he intended. The flag looked as if it was moving yet it was supposed to be still sense there was no wind. The people who think there was fraud in the moon landing normally say something to that effect.

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• MARK TROVINGER posted at 1:42 pm on Sun, Aug 19, 2012.

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  Ignorance can be extremely humorous, pitifully sad or just plain frightening.

  Mr. Kelly asks, "Didn't we land two walk-arounds on the moon? and states, "our flag wasn't even blowing in the breeze like it should have been."

  If Mr. Kelly is old enough to have lived through the moon mission era, what rock was he under when every TV set in the world was reporting the six sucessful missions that landed men on the moon? If he is not old enough to have experienced this, what was he told about the missions later when he was attending school?

  Is the problem with Mr. Kelly as an individual or with the educational system in our country?

  By the way for Mr. Kelly's benefit and those who would see merit in his observations, flags wave because of the movement of a strong atmosphere. We call that a wind or a breeze. Had he been listening in school he should have heard that the moon has almost a empty zero atmosphere. Something like the pitiful space between his left and right ears.

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• Kevin Paglia posted at 12:29 pm on Sun, Aug 19, 2012.

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  When I use to drive through the night I would tun into Coast to Coast with Art. The histarical laughing the shows caused in me was enough to keep me alert. Like the guy that called in and had invented a time machine helmet you had to plug into your car. He was looking for a companion to come wit him to doument his journey.
  

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• Mike Adams posted at 10:56 am on Sun, Aug 19, 2012.

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  And was it any wonder the caller was up in the middle of the night talking about mysterious plots and intrigues? Always the middle of the night. Next time you see someone completely tanless, you know what they do at night.

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• Mike Adams posted at 10:53 am on Sun, Aug 19, 2012.

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  Steve, I am to laughing at Ron Werner's post. He seems to nail it. And your right. The weasel will probably have many you tube videos and crazy stories from people who weren't even alive in '69-'73 when we landed what? Six pairs of men. Apollo's 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, and 17. Oh and Apollo 18 too!!! They got eaten by moon spiders I think.
  
  Funny, the flag can't wave without wind group doesn't know that even a kite vibrates when you touch it, nor address the fact that when the #11 lander blew the flag and everything else over when it took off from the moon. How was that filmed in Nevada? Or Arizona?

  I think a lot of them thought "Capricorn 1" was the real thing and all the real missions were faked. Yep.....fits the conspiracy theory protocol!

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• Joanne Bobin posted at 8:44 am on Sun, Aug 19, 2012.

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  Was listening to a program on NPR last night on the way home...didn't catch the beginning to know what/who/where, but the gist was an Andrew Liebich-type (now Ron Kelly) character talking about how the Space Shuttle was supposed to be monitoring some type of "entity" (multiple entities) orbiting within the Earth's atmosphere that was some type of threat to Earth's population. The "host" of the program was clearly exasperated with the caller who continually repeated that he "had yet to completely document these "entities," but was on the verge (within the next few years) of exposing a huge conspiracy that did....? Thank goodness I pulled into my driveway just in time not to hear anymore wackyness.

  Another tinfoil hat affionado.

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• Joanne Bobin posted at 8:31 am on Sun, Aug 19, 2012.

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  As Mr. Liebich's surrogate for the day.....Mr. Kinderman - you are OFF TOPIC!!!

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• Steve Schmidt posted at 7:05 pm on Sat, Aug 18, 2012.

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  If Willard Mittens Romney claims he paid taxes this week he will probably claim he didn't pay them next week.

  This guy is the etch-a -sketch candidate, everything he says is the truth until he says it isn't.

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• Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:28 pm on Sat, Aug 18, 2012.

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  And I suppose that Senator Harry Reid's claim that Mitt Romney hadn't paid any income taxes over ten years is credible. And if not, why then would it be unreasonable to question the landings on the moon and/or Mars? After all, anything is possible, no?

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• Steve Schmidt posted at 11:29 am on Sat, Aug 18, 2012.

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  Chuckle.... I am waiting for Mr. Liebich to weigh in on this.

  Surely he has some incredible pile of spam on the subject that he will submit in lieu of actual thought.

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• Ron Werner posted at 9:15 am on Sat, Aug 18, 2012.

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  Is this letter a joke? It would be impossible for us to land on the moon or mars because they're simply painted on the sky.

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• Robert Chapman posted at 8:52 am on Sat, Aug 18, 2012.

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  Humpty Dumpty was pushed.

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