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Posted: Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:00 am

In reading comments from my leftist friends, I find that they consistently call the Tea Party a group solely formed as a reaction to having, as one put it, "a black socialist president." As usual they see the color, ethnicity or faith in a person first in describing them. It doesn't matter what he looks like; it's his policies that are abhorrent.

This idea that the Tea Party was formed to harass Obama is untrue. It was formed in reaction to a president and his party who were out of control in spending and enlarging an already too-big government. That president was Bush, not Obama. He had added the biggest expansion in Medicare since the '60s, and in the last months of his administration approved trillions of dollars in various bailout schemes. When rational people asked him what he was thinking, he said, "I've abandoned free market principles to save the free market system."

His bail-out plan for General Motors and Chrysler was rejected by Congress, but Bush overrode them, which violated the Constitution's separation of powers doctrine. Bush, in words and action, laid the foundation for Obama to launch an even larger explosion of government spending that makes Bush's insanity look sane.

The leftists continually rewrite history. The party of slavery, Jim Crow laws, the KKK, segregation and racism is the Democratic Party. These facts are irrefutable, yet they proclaim themselves to be the champion of the down-trodden, the minorities, etc. even as their policies enslave the people they profess to protect.

As George Orwell said, "The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their understanding of their own history."

We're on our way to self-destruction.

Ron Portal

Lodi

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37 comments:

  • Ron Portal posted at 5:48 am on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Ron Portal Posts: 120

    I knew there was something I liked about you [ha] . I hope your big brother has fared well since his return. Corpsman are a cut above us all and he deserves the good life. Tell him thank you from me, if you will...

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:32 pm on Sun, May 12, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Ron - my big brother was a corpsman - after getting his draft notice he hightailed it down to the recruiting office and signed up - after boot camp he went to Fort Sam for training and then directly to Vietnam.

    As far as I can tell - since he has mentioned maybe about 4 or 5 sentences about his experience there - he was at field hospital in or near Chu Lai. One of the sentences consisted of "if you think that MASH is a joke, it's not - that stuff really happens (referring to the tragedies of humanity in that h ell hole). No details - ever.

    I was in high school when he returned, but I remember sneaking into his room to read the letters - you know - the super thin envelopes rimmed in red and blue - that he received from his buddies still in-country. Most was news about who made it out alive (mostly with missing parts), and who didn't make it at all.

    He never shared one bit of that with his family, except maybe with my dad.

    I remember one summer my mom had one of her fabulous barbeques and as usual, everyone we knew attended. My brother had all of his friends there - all veterans of one branch of service or another. Out of nowhere we heard a huge explosion - it turned out to be an oil refinery across the river in New Jersey (we lived in NY). Not only was everyone shocked at the sound, but we all stared in amazement as my brother and every one of his friends hit the deck - an automatic reaction.

    But to tie to your statement about corpsmen - years later when my dad, a WWII vet, was laying on the bathroom floor with blood gushing from both ends from a bleeding ulcer - he forbade my mom from calling 911.

    "Call Steve," he said - "I only trust him to know what to do."

    Later my brother told him, "Next time let mom call an ambulance - those guys know as much and more as I do - we all pretty much have the same training and experience - learned under fire, no less."

     
  • Ron Portal posted at 11:04 am on Sun, May 12, 2013.

    Ron Portal Posts: 120

    To John Lucus...there were two groups that grunts practically worshipped the ground they walked on. That was our corpsmen and helicopter crews, of which John was a part. The corpsmen kept us alive until the choppers came to get us...usually under heavy small arms fire. Plus without choppers we would of starved and ran out of ammo. So, as an old grunt I can't help but have respect and admiration for John which is his due. But that still doesn't stop me from praying that he will be healed of this mental illness in political thought that Satan has him bound and that he will be loosed from the shadows and brought into the light of reason. Now...how's that for a sermon, eh John?? [ha]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 8:16 pm on Sat, May 11, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1150

    Kim, have you considered Thailand?

    One can live comfortably for about 100 baht a day (about $3 US).

    Including meals. Exotic tasty grub.

    On a hot monsoon day...

    Nothing refreshes more than a cool Thai Elephant beer (Chang label).

    Need medical surgery? Affordable quality health care at modern facilities is readily available.

    We got a friend in "the business", he'll hook you up. Everything will be great.

    Seriously.

    Well good luck to you, where ever you end up.

    [smile]

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 3:16 pm on Sat, May 11, 2013.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    [thumbup] ...on Eric Barrow's comment.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 3:15 pm on Sat, May 11, 2013.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    [thumbup]

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 3:09 pm on Sat, May 11, 2013.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Goodbye, Kim Parigoris.

     
  • Ron Portal posted at 11:56 am on Sat, May 11, 2013.

    Ron Portal Posts: 120

    Kim..I did miss you and if my family wasn't here I would be moving out of this state in a heart beat. Not because of the people but the gov't who has run one of the greatest states in the union [which means the world] to financial ruin with unsustainable policies. I was gone awhile taking care of arrangements tor my wife and daughters for their Mommies Day so with this post I will comment on the writings of Eric, Joanne, John and Mike. Eric [1] I don't wait to see if "anyone on the right has my back". I endorse or not endorse politicians on their merits and policy effectiveness...not on their party affiliation [most are in Republican party since I've said before there is no place in the modern Democratic party for conservatives]. I loved Scoop Jackson, John and Robert Kennedy and Truman from what my Mom told me and others. [2] I don't give credit for Bush for the auto bailout...I BLAME him for it. With the free market principles and the modern bankruptcy laws the auto giants would of emerged from the crisis stronger, leaner, more financially sound with fewer lay-offs and suffering from the workers. From what I read they are still operating under a unsustainable system forced on them by the unions which were the true recipients of this bail out. Plus they still owe the American taxpayer billions that will probably never be re-paid. Joanne...as for Sanford in South Carolina. He shouldn't of been able to be elected dog catcher!! An adulterer who used public money to support his immoral activities with a mistress in Argentina and then claim to be a "fiscal conservative" is as ridiculous as a sitting president getting "sexually maintained" in the Oval Office by a child his daughter's age and claiming to be an advocate for women. Now he has given us new meaning [or demeaning] to Oval Office. John...I agree. Money talks and corrupts. Like Caesar wrote," Great office should not be bought, for this makes wealth of more account than nobility in a politician." And if your reply is having the words nobility in a politician is an oxi-moron I also say yea. Finally, Mr. Adams...Look at all the programs that have come into being since LBJ's "war on poverty". They have become cages instead of safety nets. Milton Friedman wrote," One of the great mistakes is to judge policies and programs by their intentions rather than their results." Yes, Democrats have written into law a slue of laws meant to give the most downtrodden of us a hand up but, while their intentions was to help the result has been the opposite forcing the recipients of gov't aid to live a certain way decided by bureaucrats or they will not be helped. When a society abandons the precept that the individual is accountable for his/her actions...you welcome in chaos and an uncivil population.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 4:06 pm on Fri, May 10, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 448

    GM went from bad to worse with the Obama bailout plan. www.realclearpolitics.com/features/0810_general_motors.../viewall.html GM has been on a downhill slide since 1981 when it held 43% of the total market share down to 22% in 2008. Now they are about 20%. In 2010, more GM autos and light vehicles were sold in China than the US. In 2012, GM saw a slight growth, selling slightly more than a million and a half vehicles worldwide, but is still at its lowest sales point since post WW2. Google general motors market share history for more info.Who wants to take credit for that!? Let them!

     
  • Lawrence Steinberg posted at 2:21 pm on Fri, May 10, 2013.

    Lawrence Steinberg Posts: 65

    Kim wrote: I was on vacation researching a new state to call home.

    That's great news Kim! California's gain is almost certainly another state's loss.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:42 pm on Fri, May 10, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [thumbup]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:19 pm on Fri, May 10, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1565

    I don't believe you posted this comment after the South Carolina election results came out. As for your confusion; it is due to the inclusiveness of the Democratic Party. Liberals believe they are free to live their lives based on their moral compass and so is everyone else, as long as people are living within the laws they are given constitutional protection to pursue their version of happiness. Just because I disagree with another persons version of morality doesn't change their right to live as they choose. Besides Obama most certainly reflects my version of morality and Bush did not so your original premise is a little flawed.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 10:50 am on Fri, May 10, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 448

    Ms.Bobin; I can only speak for GM, since I was not and am not privy to the other American auto manufacturers' personnel policies, and will only relate what I witnessed and voted for,against, or abstained from as a backup GM dealership representative at a participating GMASEP(automotive service & education program).Chris Farmer introduced the following: 1.A very generous retroactive retirement and benefit package for all GM technicians past and present.(unsustainable)(2. An increase from $9 per hr. to $12 per hr. for apprentice technicians to entice more future techs to GM. These are just 2 examples that started GM's downfall in 2001. There was a lot more that happened that I witnessed an example of: GM's buyback program(an old man brought his new car in with a complaint that the car was too snappy upon acceleration from a stop. There were no flaws in this car that myself or the other techs could find,but GM refunded his money and the car went back to the manufacturer for further study.) GM also made some boneheaded business deals such as selling Raytheon, who manufactured some GM components, buying out Saab,buying out Hummer, closure of selected dealerships based on politics and not sales performance, and requiring older dealerships to spend millions of dollars to upgrade their facilities or build new ones at the owners' expense,elimination of vehicle brands,etc. All of these combined bankrupted GM. As I stated, the #1 cause was this unsustainable generous entitlement package. The same holds true for our government. BTW, Ms. Bobin, I hear ya when it comes to some soccer moms and SUVs, but I get much more frustrated at these charaters in their pickups the size of a Mack truck backing in and out 3 times trying to park in small spaces in a parking lot.Uncertain economic times that go back to Bush 2 and exacerbated by Obama probably played a part, as well as the leadership policies of the foreign auto manufacturers, in my opinion.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:53 am on Fri, May 10, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1565

    I didn't hear anyone ask for a comment from you and I was not aware you had been missing. Don't let the door hit you in the rear on your way out and could you please take Ron with you? That would be great thanks.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 8:32 am on Fri, May 10, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1441

    Joanne: A favorite tool of the current crop of republicans is the selective amnesia regarding the southern democrat-southern republican flip that occured in the early to mid-60's. They'll be glad to supply a roster of "democrats" who didn't support civil rights legislatilon, who was a segregationist, who was in the kKK.....

    A simple test to see who is on the side of the less fortunate: List all the bills introduced by republicans that might have benefitted minorities, the poor, those who are out of work. You could use a small post -it-note. Then get a ream of binder paper and list all the bills introduced by democrats that did the same thing.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 7:33 am on Fri, May 10, 2013.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Sorry I haven't responded sooner but I was on vacation researching a new state to call home. Very well put Ron..I won't be checking back here because I no longer feel the need to subject myself to the blithering from the left. Gets us nowhere and just saps my energy.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:06 pm on Thu, May 9, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    You mean the "non-partisan" local TEA Party representatives?

    They are just a figment of their imaginations, i.e., "legends in their own minds."

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:52 pm on Thu, May 9, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "mr. maurer," If lagging sales due to the decline of the popularity of the SUV due to high gas prices (which I sincerely doubt, since we still have an over abundance of Soccer Moms who don't know how to maneuver an SUV here in Lodi), what is your all knowing reason for the troubled auto industry?

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:37 pm on Thu, May 9, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1150

    "Bush bashing"

    I imagine there's at least one...

    Archconservative/Retrogressive Christian blogger...

    Around here...

    With Levite leanings...

    That will take immediate action to resolve the situation.

    Counter blog and wax poetic about Bush!!

    Standby.

    [smile]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:36 pm on Thu, May 9, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1150

    Where's our local Tea Party representative????

    [huh]

     
  • Lawrence Steinberg posted at 4:30 pm on Thu, May 9, 2013.

    Lawrence Steinberg Posts: 65

    Hmmm..... I assumed that Ron's "liberal friends" were just a figure of speech, I didn't know he had an actual liberal friend.

    Who knows, perhaps there is hope for him yet.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 4:26 pm on Thu, May 9, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 448

    Obama used the exact strategy that Rick Wagner and Fritz were going to use(bankruptcy) to help save GM. Does anyone know the real reason behind GM's financial disaster.(hint: it was not declining sales. Also Ford Motor Company declined financial government aid and emerged a better ran company.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:57 pm on Thu, May 9, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1565

    Ron after you wrote your letter maybe you should wait and see if anyone on the right has your back instead of being one of the largest responders to your own letter. I'm thinking with your Bush bashing not so much but I'm appreciating your opinion a little more.

    George Orwell, was an English novelist and journalist. His work is marked by clarity, intelligence and wit, awareness of social injustice, opposition to totalitarianism, and commitment to democratic socialism. Democratic socialists endorse a post-capitalist, socialist economic system as an alternative to capitalism.

    wiki

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:46 pm on Thu, May 9, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1565

    I think Ron is the first conservative that has admitted that Bush is responsible for the Great Recession. Although now that the auto bailout is so successful he would like to give credit to Bush. While Tarp was a Bush policy, designed to bailout banks, using those funds to bailout the big three was on Obama and if it had failed would have been blamed on him. Very disingenuous to try and highjack the auto bailout.

    I also think that if minorities and other non-mainstream groups believed that the right had there back they would vote for them. Unless you are suggesting that they somehow don't understand who they are voting for.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:53 pm on Thu, May 9, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Don't blame him for messing around?"

    Shame on you, Mr. Lucas!

    If he didn't like his wife, he should have divorced her before jumping in the sack with his mistress, but he wanted the best of both worlds...keep the governorship and his four sons and have his little sumpin, sumpin on the side.

    Sanford has credited his now ex-wife for getting him elected to Congress and then the governorship since she ran his campaigns for him.

    In fact, he actually had the nerve to ask her to run his latest campaign AND had the nerve to say that he "would pay her this time."

    Not surprisingly she gave him a solid NO.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:27 am on Thu, May 9, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Having heard his ex-wife talk I cannot blame him for messing around but to do it on the taxpayer dime is really amazing. That the voters elected him because he is a "Fiscal Conservative" makes me laugh. Barnum and Bailly were very big in South Carolina. [smile]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:10 am on Thu, May 9, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Why is it that conservatives are so convinced that they have the market on morality sewn up while liberals have no morals and condone politicians who are crooks?

    Prime example of just the OPPOSITE:

    South Carolina just re-elected their former governor, Mark Sanford, who used government funds to take his jaunt on the "Appalachian Trail," AKA flew to Argentina to be with his mistress (WHILE HE WAS STILL MARRIED).

    I guess South Carolinians must value a scurrilous man who lies, steals, and cheats on his wife as long as he apologizes and sheds copious quantities of crocodile tears.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:07 am on Thu, May 9, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I think Ron's political views are crazy. Guess what? He thinks mine are. So what? He is still a good man and a good American.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:03 am on Thu, May 9, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    It is not the illegal things the politicians do that is doing the major hurting of our country. Our system is one of legalized bribery. Money talks BS walks. Those with money(the top 1%) control the legislative process and work for those who legally bribe them.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:03 am on Thu, May 9, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    From Wiki: "Gore was one of only three Democratic senators from the 11 former Confederate states who did not sign the 1956 Southern Manifesto opposing integration, the other two being Senate Majority Leader Lyndon B. Johnson (who was not asked to sign) and Gore's fellow Tennessean Estes Kefauver, who refused to sign."

    "By 1970, Gore was considered to be fairly vulnerable for a three-term incumbent Senator, as a result of his liberal positions on many issues such as the Vietnam War and Civil Rights."

    I believe I DID mention below that the two parties were switching positions - since there were not many Southern Republicans, many Southern Democrats who were anti-civil rights and anti-integration were turning to the ultra conservative Republican party.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:58 am on Thu, May 9, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Ron, what you say about the civil rights era before the 1960's is mostly true but the great realignment took place after the Civil Rights acts of 1964 and 1965. Those Democrats that were for Jim Crow laws could not find a home in the Democratic party. The Republicans welcomed them with open arms. I do not think you or most Republicans are racists but almost all racists are Republican. There is no place in the Democratic party for them. Senator Byrd was a KKK person in his youth but he had to renounce his views or he would have been kicked out. That is just the way it is today.

     
  • Ron Portal posted at 9:32 am on Thu, May 9, 2013.

    Ron Portal Posts: 120

    I posted a comment on another letter that got no comment from anyone [probably because there were so many other posts no one saw it] My comment was I believed that most, if not all, the people who post with LNS live their lives in a conservative manner. I used examples like living within your budgets, helping others when you're able, living moral lives being good examples to your children, etc. Yet when liberals vote they vote for people who live and enact laws that are diametrically opposed to their own lifestyles. Even when these representatives break the law the liberal makes excuses for them and rarely holds them accountable for their wrong doing and breaking of trust with the people who voted for them. My question is why? In my view, if a public servant breaks the law no matter what party they belong to...they must be punished to the full extent of the law and removed from office. If all voters held their representatives to this then the gov't would be functioning for the people and by the people instead of having career politicians who believe they are above the law and that the people were created to serve them and not vice versa. Is this just another example of the " sad state" of affairs in the poor education of Ron Portal??

     
  • Ron Portal posted at 8:43 am on Thu, May 9, 2013.

    Ron Portal Posts: 120

    I think you're old enough to remember, Joanne, what party was not following the newly passed civil rights laws of the 50"s when Eisenhower [ a Republican] sent troops to Alabama to integrate the school systems. It was Democratic governors and legislators that fought and resisted the inclusion of the blacks into full partnership in American society. One Senator from Tennessee by the name of Al Gore Sr. led a group of southern statesman in a filibuster against the new civil rights laws. And as for Bush violating the separation of powers doctrine..Congress had rejected the plan to give GM and Chrysler $17.4 billion in loans. He over-rode Congress and approved it without Congressional consent which is a violation of the separation of powers doctrine. Only the House of Representatives has the power to allocate federal funds... not the President of the United States. And you accuse me of reading chain emails .. all these incidents that you cite have been proven to be plants from other groups who want the Tea Party put In a bad light. Plus all the things that have been said about Obama is nothing compared to the onslaught directed at Bush even more that 4 years after he left office. I realize that you are truly invested in the Democratic Party but do you really believe in EVERYTHING they say and do?? No one or no organization is always right and that includes the Democratic and Republican Parties. We need to have some objectivity for this nation to get through difficult times like the present. When I see injustice or over- reaching of gov't power[s] I don't care what party they belong to...if its wrong then who ever is doing it should be called to task.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:42 am on Thu, May 9, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [sleeping]... http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0oGkkOOtItRsicA64NXNyoA?p=george+bush+hitler+tea+party&fr=yfp-t-900&fr2=piv-web

     
  • Lawrence Steinberg posted at 7:30 am on Thu, May 9, 2013.

    Lawrence Steinberg Posts: 65

    Ron Portal wrote: In reading comments from my leftist friends"

    Chuckle..... I bet Mr Portal's "leftist friends" are a lively bunch.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 7:21 am on Thu, May 9, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 551

    [thumbup]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:03 am on Thu, May 9, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    First, thanks for the "honorable mention," Mr. Portal. I now count two times that LTE's have included my comments.

    BTW, I stand by my comment. If the TEA Party had been so opposed to George Walker Bush's policies, why were they not protesting them and carrying placards with George portrayed as Hitler as they did with Obama starting in 2009? Not to mention all the placards that depicted Obama as a monkey.

    Second, congratulations for completing your "Creative Writing" course this semester. The letter is certainly a fine example of creativity. I hope you received and A+.

    As far as rewriting history, I am curious where you came up with the conclusion that George Walker Bush "overrode" Congress and "violated the separation of powers" clause of the Constitution.

    Maybe you've been reading way too many of those chain emails?

    The Congress passed the first bailout of Wall Street in 2008 and George Walker Bush used money from THAT bailout to shore up GM and Chrysler.

    As for Republicans being the party of anti-slavery, anti-Jim Crow, etc., I suggest you go back to your history books and discover WHY the Republican party and the Democratic party seemingly "switched" stances on many social issues.

    Hint: The Republican party, especially in the South, was becoming more and more conservative and thus attracted a lot of former Southern Democrats, AKA, angry white men, to the party. They were the major contributors to segregation and Jim Crow.

    I'll let you do the rest of the research on your own. You might learn something.

     

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