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Posted: Thursday, August 4, 2011 12:00 am | Updated: 6:15 am, Thu Aug 4, 2011.

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our government’s reckless fiscal policies. Increasing American debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”

— Sen. Barack H. Obama, Floor Speech, March 20, 2006.

Five years later, Obama has us drowning in debt — he’s spending $4.1 billion a day, compared to Bush, who spent $1.7 billion a day, and Clinton, who spent $547 million a day. (Clinton had a Republican Congress who forced spending limits and actually balanced the budget.) For every dollar our government spends, it has to borrow 42 cents, much from China and Japan. Obama has run up over $4 trillion in debt in his three years in office, and this raising the debt ceiling fiasco will give him almost $3 trillion more to spend and will get him safely past the 2012 election without facing embarrassing debt ceiling questions.

The commission to cut spending is a joke. There have been 13 prior commissions, and none of them ever did diddly squat. There are no cuts in spending, just cuts in the increase in spending from the prior year.

The ad showing Republicans pushing Granny in a wheelchair off a cliff is even more reprehensible than LBJ’s little girl and the mushroom cloud. Obama has manufactured a crisis to frighten old people. Truth is that the government takes in about $170 to $200 billion a month — $29 billion to pay interest on our debt (no default on our debt), with enough money to pay Social Security, the military personnel and Medicare.

The only recourse we the people have is the ballot box — 2012.

Phyllis Roche

Lodi

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41 comments:

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:11 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Ms Bobin asked...Mr. Baumbach - are you going to vote for Governor Rick Perry...

    Have not thought it through Ms Bobin, Since Micki Mouse would be eminently more qualified than the current occupant, it really does not matter who I vote for.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:05 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Bill... how will we license people to print treasury notes?. Maybe only private sector entities will be eligible to prevent conflict of interest. Also, Maybe each government entity that borrows notes from we the people will be able to qualify only if their government entity is efficiently run... I think if that is the qualification , business will be slow for awhile. ... I wish I had a think thank like you. My brain is on overload.

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 8:32 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    Just got another idea, why don't we apply for a patent on thin air?

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 8:29 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    mmmmmm Darrell, I have an idea, why don't we the people print U.S. Treasury Notes and lend them to the banks, the Fed, the IMF and any nation that wants to borrow them at face value plus interest? We would never have to worry about taxes again and Obama could spend without increasing the debt. We could have an AAAA+ credit rating too.
    Oh yeah, that will not work as that is what John F. Kennedy wanted to do and they killed him. ooooooh well back to my think tank! "pooooff"

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:00 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    Joanne,

    Again, why were GWB habits of spending like a Democrat counter-productive
    but Obama's habits of spending like a Democrat aren't counter-productive?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 5:42 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    And the rest of the story....Joanne

    http://www.usatoday.com/NEWS/usaedition/2011-07-26-Texas-jobs_CV_U.htm


    Move to Texas

    Finding work may not be quite that simple, but it sure seems that way. While the nation's job growth has limped along since the economic recovery began two years ago, the Lone Star State is enlarging

    payrolls in Texas-size fashion.

    From June 2009 to June 2011 the state added 262,000 jobs, or half the USA's 524,000 payroll gains, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas and the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Even by a more conservative estimate that omits states with net job losses, Texas' advances make up 30% of the 1 million additions in the 34 states with net growth.

    The stunning showing could play a role in the presidential race. Texas Gov. Rick Perry is signaling he may run for the Republican nomination. If he does, he's likely to ground his campaign in his state's outsized job growth.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 5:22 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    Joanne wrote:

    Mr. Docktor - since you brought it up, please give us at least 5 examples of the "spending habits" of President Obama that have brought us to the brink of "counter-productivity."

    -I would say the rate of health insurance companies going belly up in advance of
    the full implementation of the Obamacare, because they know they cannot survive
    the mandates, is sufficient enough.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 5:11 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    How hipocritical it is for Joanne and her ilk to criticize GWB for spending like a Democrat yet they refuse to criticize Obama for spending like a Democrat. Priceless!!!!

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 5:03 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    Joanne,

    Most assuradly I will acknowledge any debt is counter-productive. That being said,
    at the rate Obama is increasing the debt rate he will exceed GWB's increase in debt by 6 trillion dollars by the end of his second term, Lord willing he doesn't get a second term. Now, will you finally admit he has no plans of slowing his spending? Like GWB, he is doing what the Democrats want, larger government. Now, he has not made any attempts to slow the spending. The liberal media is on his side 100%. GWB, on the other hand was ostercized by the liberal media no matter how much he spent. This is the difference you just can't seem to comprehend.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:25 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    Mr. Docktor - since you brought it up, please give us at least 5 examples of the "spending habits" of President Obama that have brought us to the brink of "counter-productivity."

    GWB got us into 10 trillion worth of debt. Obama added about 4 trillion (most of which was putting "on-the-books" what GWB conveniently left off), plus efforts, backed by Congress, to try to get us out of GWB's mess.

    Mr. Baumbach - are you going to vote for Governor Rick Perry? He is predicted to get into the race this month. Even the Bush (elder and junior) camp is poised to crush him. And if you check the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, unemployment in Texas is 8.2%, only one percent below the national average. More significant are the "mass lay-off events" - 343 in the first six months of this year.

    Let me know when you are ready to move - I'll come and help you pack!

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 2:14 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    Joanne wrote:

    I sincerely doubt that Ms. Roche even understands a tenth of what she "writes." It's all cut and paste because it goes along with her perception of the truth and her limited ability to think for herself.

    -Numbers don't lie, Joanne. Indeed you may have a point as to why us conservatives, including Phyllis, don't understand how Obama does not see his spending habits as counter-productive. But we do understand why you and your liberal ilk would criticize us conservatives for pointing out what Obama's agenda is.
    It's again the mattter of you and your ilk's liberal ideology that prevents you from calling a spade a spade.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:13 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    sp. below.. iron glad= iron-clad

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:10 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Bill stated...I have often wondered; if the Feds print dollars out of thin air why don't we just pay it back with thin air

    Bill... I think I know the answer... the government has an iron glad patent on
    "thin air "and "hot air". Only they have authorization to make and justify making things out of thin air.

    “Pooooff”

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 10:43 am on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    John Randall wrote: " 'Federal Reserve' is at the tip of corruption...never even audited...above the law. Its printing of trillions of dollars out of thin air is essentially counterfeiting."

    I have often wondered; if the Feds print dollars out of thin air why don't we just pay it back with thin air by handing them an IOU, we owe you $1.7 trillion of thin air for QE1 and QE2 and thank you for your generosity. Why must American taxpayers pay back with hard earned income something that was created out of thin air?
    We could agree however to pay them for the paper and ink!
    (note: I think Ron Paul proposed something like this).

    Have enjoyed reading this thread and agree whole heartily with the opinions here.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:54 pm on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Ms bobin stated...I sincerely doubt that Ms. Roche even understands a tenth of what she "writes

    Ms Bobin... you are creating an image of yourself that it is you that does not understand anything anyone writes. You fail to refute even one point and simply call her names. I sincerely think you do not have the ability to comprehend. I would love to see you refute something sometime just to prove me wrong.

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 10:51 am on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    Darrell, I appreciate yur comment and you are on the right track. Our political system is dragging this country down for their own benefit.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 9:43 am on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    USDA reported today that the number of Americans using food stamps shot up to an all-time high of 45.8 million in May, up 12% from a year ago, and 34% higher than 2 years ago.

    Happy Birthday President Obama, you deserve a grand celebration.

     
  • John Randall posted at 9:19 am on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    John Randall Posts: 21

    It matters not what party you choose...all are equally guilty.
    This country spends WAY more than it can afford to, takes on
    way too many obligations. We are drowning in debt. We are rapidly
    going bankrupt. Corruption is rampant in government at all levels.
    Gov pensions are out of hand and ridiculous, Wall Street and its
    multitudes of lobbiests run Washing ton. The Supreme Court is
    a political tool, not what is intended to be. The "Federal Reserve"
    is at the tip of corruption...never even audited...above the law. Its printing of
    trillions of dollars out of thin air is essentially counterfeiting. The Middle
    Class- it wealth, its values and its way of life- is being systemically dismembered
    and general American society taken down to the lowest common denominator.
    Wealth is nearly all in the hands of the very, very few and that trend is
    growing every day. So there you are... That's what we are facing.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 7:30 am on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    AP reports today that the "Participation rate", percentage of people working or searching for work, fell to 63.9%, lowest in 27 years.

    Was the Obama's regime's famous "Recovery Summer" last year or did Obama revise it again for this year, he better hurry up, fall is nearly upon us and our 13.9 million unemployed wouldn't want to miss it again.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 7:14 am on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    So Jeff let me get this straight, 30+ members of the tea party held over 500+ members of Congress and the whole inept Obama regime hostage??

    You can shill better than that Jeff, now go back and find some new George Soros talking points, those "terrorist" ones are getting a little stale, try something more original for a change.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:06 am on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Doug stated...You can thank the "hostage takers" for that.

    Doug, I think you are correct about the hard times ahead. However, the cause is a 30 year progression of many variables that both democrats and republicans contributed to. The economy was working .. it is not now. Has nothing to do with tea party at all. Has more to do with international competition and low wages aboad. Texas has done well because of creating a business friendly state and low taxes for people... that should be a clue.

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 10:43 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    Mr. Musto, this is only the beginning of the double dip recession, and the crooks on Wall Street will finally pay their dues, and rightfully so. The foreign markets are crashing tonight and another onslaught of sellers will decimate the Dow again tomorrow. You can thank the "hostage takers" for that.

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 10:38 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    Ryan, don't they gave permission for the war based on false evidence. There were 26 democrats, I believe, that stood their ground and voted no. They went against their own party and they were the only ones that were right about condemning this trumped up war all for revenge for "daddy" that has this country where it is today. The stock market will tell the tale soon and the wealthy will finally pay the price. Anyone that doesn't believe our whole political system is corrupt on all sides of the fence must be pretty naive and living in a dreamworld.

     
  • Account Deleted posted at 6:31 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Jesse Hallum Posts: 57

    Governmental hypocracy is astounding to me. I have not seen such poor leadership in my entire lifetime. The Congress, Senate and President all STINK of LIES, hypocracy and egocentricity.

    The ballot box in 2012 may not be enough. Republicans are no more financially responsible than Democrats. Both will LIE like DOGS to get elected, then do as they please.

    I forsee angry people with torches and pitchforks in DC, sooner than later. Don't think another Great Depression can happen? THINK AGAIN!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:25 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    Why waste my time, Mr. Baumbach? Ms. Roche has displayed her ability over the years to only repeat the mantra she is fed by her cult. Character assassination? No one needs to assassinate her character - she does a good enough job of it as it is.

    I sincerely doubt that Ms. Roche even understands a tenth of what she "writes." It's all cut and paste because it goes along with her perception of the truth and her limited ability to think for herself.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:04 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Darrell stated...Good point Jeff...

    Jeff stated...Darrell, i was being sarcastic, as was obvious in the glaring error in my statement...

    Response.. of course Jeff... obviously... why do you think I said “good point”? If you said it, I automatically know your intent......... You are too much fun Jeff !!!!

    As far as leverage... I will let Gary address that concern but I think you are either incredibly misinformed or disingenuous if you do not think our economic circumstance is different than any other since the great depression. To compare this debt ceiling as if it is just another increase is odd. With Obamacare looming in 2014 with large increases in spending as well as other considerations, it was very responsible for the “tea party to pressure both republicans and democrats and to insist on spending cuts. To call them terrorists would be no different than me calling Obama a terrorist for telling seniors that they might not get their social security checks. He was holding elderly people' s peace of mind hostage or as leverage one might be able to assert.
    But Obama is not a terrorist nor is any real tea party member in my opinion.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:05 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Joanne Bobin posted at 12:59 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011... Before I even scrolled down to see who the letter writer was, I said, "Phyllis Roche

    Before I even scrolled down to read the rest of Ms Bobin's post, I "knew" that if I read it, I would not find one point that she disagreed with or refuted... then I read it... I was right.

    Ms Bobin... why not educate us as to what points you disagree with instead of CHARACTER ASSASSINATION.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 2:18 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 539

    Darrell, i was being sarcastic, as was obvious in the glaring error in my statement.

    Gary, perhaps because the dept limit increase has always been rubber stamped by Congress until this year. GWB had it increased 3 times during his presidency, in nearly unanimous votes. Reagan: 8 times. It hadn't been an issue for either party, until now. Until the GOP, nee the Tea Party, made it a problem. So WHO used it as leverage? The GOP clearly stated that they would not increase the debt limit unless it was tied to the reductions they wanted. To say Obama or the Dems used it as leverage means you are either incredibly misinformed or disingenuous.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 1:39 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Update from my updated post at 1:05 pm, market closed down 512, lowest since 2008.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 1:05 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Here is an update from my 8:15 am post, the Dow tumbled by 450 today, whatever Obama is doing doesn't seem to set all that well with the market.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 1:01 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Why didn't Jeff point out that President Obama had the House, Senate, and the MSM at his disposal and did nothing about the debt, it only was brought to the attention of the American when Obama tried to use it as leverage against the Republicans???

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:59 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    Before I even scrolled down to see who the letter writer was, I said, "Phyllis Roche." That JBS newsletter (emphasis on the "BS") has been rolling out with increased regularity.

    Nice to know we can count on Ms. Roche to feed Lodians her ususal dose of biased nonsense. After all, Ms. Roche is the same person who, since the 1980's, has been screaming about getting out of the UN, predicting doom and conspiracy theories about a "One World Government," and a "One World Bank with One World Currency."

    Since we haven't heard those rants recently, we can only presume that the JBS has gone back to its origins by painting a scary picture of black Americans who want to scare old people.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:46 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Good point Jeff...

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 12:17 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 539

    Ryan, I agree!!! Why did Jeff Chase not call out the Democratic Majority Congresses of 2000-2006. Shouldn't they share some responsibility with GWB for the Iraq/Afghan Wars, unpaid tax cuts, deficit spending, etc...

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:30 am on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Jeff Chase posted at 10:06 am on Thu, Aug 4, 2011...not the Executive. President's can only spend what Congress allows! Sounds like a biased rant against Obama to me.
    At first glance, Jeff appears to make good sense … yes... all spending originates with the Legislative branch. No disagreement. However, in my view, Obama and the democrats held a bazooka pointed at the heads of the congress who did not want to increase the limits. Obama said he wanted the increase unconditionally. Then he demanded that it be done. When his threats were not successful, he promised to veto any bill that had a balanced budget amendment or spending reductions that he did nor approve of. It was his way or the highway... just as he falsely accused the reasonable tea party members of doing . As far as Obama was concerned, politics trumped doing the right thing as was seen by his attempt to scare dependent elderly citizens of not getting their social security checks.
    His veto threat, thanks to his cronies and enablers could not be overcome. He and his cronies attempted to destroy the character of the tea party by calling them terrorists... So yes... Jeff is right about who does the funding... but to discount the power of the presidency with someone as vicious as Obama and his cronies is not appropriate in this situation. There are extenuating circumstances above the technicality of who authorizes the funding.
    It is obvious that the republicans in Congress under Clinton and Obama pushed to reduce spending and taxes. It is equally obvious that the democrats pushed to increase spending and taxes.

     
  • Ryan Jameson posted at 11:27 am on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Ryan Jameson Posts: 195

    Jeff; you make a reasonable and correct argument. I wonder though, would you make the same point in defense of George W. Bush? The left likes to blame Bush for getting us into this financial mess, pointing out the Iraq/Afghan wars, bailouts and such. Do you still defend your argument in light of the fact that congress gave permission for the above expenditures?

     
  • Jeff Chase posted at 10:06 am on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Jeff Chase Posts: 12

    So writer plays up Republican CONGRESS (under Clinton) for really controlling spending--which understand... all spending originates with Legislative branch. But now raising the debt ceiling is an Executive act that will allow Obama to spend $3 trillion more????!! Has writer forgotten that he can't spend anything that Congress doesn't first approve? Any increased spending (this one included) was approved of by the LEGISLATURE (including Republicans).......not the Executive. President's can only spend what Congress allows! Sounds like a biased rant against Obama to me.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:08 am on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403


    It is interesting to see what Barack Obama says... then see the result of what he acctually does... below are words spoken by Barack Obama.

    can make a firm pledge, under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.
    Barack Obama

    We need earmark reform, and when I'm President, I will go line by line to make sure that we are not spending money unwisely.
    Barack Obama

    What do you think a stimulus is? It's spending - that's the whole point! Seriously.
    Barack Obama


    I think when you spread the wealth around it's good for everybody.
    Barack Obama

    I will cut taxes - cut taxes - for 95 percent of all working families, because, in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle class.
    Barack Obama


    Over the last 15 months, we've traveled to every corner of the United States. I've now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.
    Barack Obama

    The United States has been enriched by Muslim Americans. Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a Muslim-majority country - I know, because I am one of them.
    Barack Obama

    The United States is not, and never will be, at war with Islam.
    Barack Obama


    And so our goal on health care is, if we can get, instead of health care costs going up 6 percent a year, it's going up at the level of inflation, maybe just slightly above inflation, we've made huge progress. And by the way, that is the single most important thing we could do in terms of reducing our deficit. That's why we did it.
    Barack Obama

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 8:15 am on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Before our President headed off to his $35,800 a plate birthday-fundraiser, he defended his record as President by saying, "When I said, "Change you can believe in," I didn't mean, change you can believe in tomorrow, or next week."

    Too bad he didn't get that memo out sooner to his mind numb followers, his word was gold back then, you know when he was lowering the oceans and healing the earth.

    Speaking of gold, might be a better investment than the stock market, down almost another 200 points today.

     
  • Ryan Jameson posted at 7:03 am on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Ryan Jameson Posts: 195

    .....And here come the progressive liberals to blame all of our financial woes on Reagan, Bush and the "terrorist" Republicans.....

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 5:00 am on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Obama has manufactured a crisis to frighten old people. Ya think????

    The commission to cut spending is a joke. No way!!!!!????

    The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. Who would have thought????

    Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Not MY buck!!! Really???

    Like I have said many times before Barack Obama is nothing more than an empty suit with a closet full of cliches's. Apparently the same applies to Congress.

     

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