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Posted: Thursday, May 2, 2013 12:00 am

Well, our wonderful, Democrat-dominated Assembly has passed out of committee AB 1266. Heard of it?

When it is passed into a law, if a young person wakes up one morning and decides he is a girl, the schools will be required to accommodate him. He is now able to use the girls' restroom, girls' locker room and play on girls' teams in sports. No special protection will be given to the girls.

I have an 8-year-old granddaughter, and it makes me sick to think of her having to share a restroom with an older boy.

The reverse is also true. Girls who want to be boys can use boys' facilities. Does anyone see the awful things that could happen here?

My question is: Why is it OK that homosexuals are allowed to offend me, but if I protest — and by so doing offend them — I am a hater? I agree homosexuals have rights, just as I do, but they don't have a right to infringe on mine.

Lodi parents, please wake up and help stop this State Senate and Assembly from further destroying our state.

Linda Gooden

Lodi

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40 comments:

  • Ron Portal posted at 8:34 am on Tue, May 7, 2013.

    Ron Portal Posts: 120

    Mike...you never answered the question. Are you really OK with young kids being exposed to this?

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:11 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1139

    "The Superior Man is all-embracing and not partial. The inferior man is partial and not all-embracing." - Master Kong

     
  • robert maurer posted at 2:58 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 447

    Confucius say he who sleeps with troubled mind wakes up with solution in hand. Confucius also say he who farts in church, sits in his own pew.

     
  • Robert Jacobs posted at 11:51 am on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    Robert Jacobs Posts: 298

    The bible says we (human beings) are depraved! That doesn't mean we are all as depraved as we could be, but it does mean we are fully capable of it!

    God protect us from ourselves!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:22 pm on Sun, May 5, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Walter: Love the "multiple times" reference. I'm quite "flummoxed," and even a little flabbergasted at THAT revelation.

    At the risk of using a dated stereotype, it all adds up to the menu from which some Christians believe they can choose 1 from column A, 2 from column B and 3 from column C instead of adhering to the prix fixe menu which, if one is actually serious about the Bible and being a Christian, is the correct choice.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 11:55 pm on Sat, May 4, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1139

    "the practice of animal offerings to temples was done away with at the cross"

    Ron, agreed.

    Christians don't sacrifice animals as burnt offerings. Leviticus says Yes. No match.

    Christians eat lobster, crayfish and shrimp. Leviticus says NO. No match.

    Christians today are typically against slavery. Leviticus says Yes. No match.

    It's OK for Christians to have tattoos and piercings. Leviticus says NO. No match.

    Christians are allowed to DIVORCE. Some, multiple times. Many biblical authors say NO. No match.

    Christians can cut, trim and style their hair as they desire. Leviticus says NO. No match.

    Christian women frequently go to church wearing braided hair, gold, pearls and costly garments. Leviticus says NO. No match.

    Christians eat pork products. Christian athletes play football with a pigskin ball. Leviticus says NO. No match.

    Etc. Etc. Etc.


     
  • Walter Chang posted at 11:55 pm on Sat, May 4, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1139

    Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

    Most Archconservative/Retrogressive Christians believe that...

    Homosexuality is a sin.

    Leviticus says it's a sin.

    Finally, we have a Match!!

    A Levite priest, from antiquity, writes twelve words against homosexuality. It's considered relevant and valid today by some. While almost everything else the author writes, is tossed aside and not observed. These twelve words are about the only thing from Leviticus, that most Archconservative/Retrogressive Christians still believe in today.

    What makes these twelve words so important?

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 11:54 pm on Sat, May 4, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1139

    "What makes these twelve words so important?"

    PS. Don't answer by quoting more scripture. Thanks!

    [smile]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 8:09 pm on Sat, May 4, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1404

    A couple of things: 1) I don't know who is telling you that anyone can walk in off the street and teach school, but I would say that who ever that might be, isn't a teacher.
    While it's true that there are some scripted programs, by far the majority of adopted curriculum is left up to the teachers in the classroom. There are some checkmarks such as pacing guides to make sure you are progressing and not getting stuck, there are some requirements such as sticking to the "core" curriculum which some districts feel is the textbook and a associated materials. Some publishers even train teachers on how to implement the new "curriculum" and is some courses that is important, but in almost every class in every school I've ever been in (and that's a lot), teaching is left up to the teacher, not some perceived czarist central government department. That just reveals a total ignorance of education in America. I would suggest you maybe visit some schools in your area. Of course you might have to be background checked and have a TB test to make sure you're not one of those who just read a script all day.

    2)You are also confusing "intelligence" and "achievement". Maybe in the good ol' pre-Nixon days intelligence = achievement, but now intelligence generally means the ability to, and how much you can learn while achievement means how much you have learned. With an ivy league education you shouldn't be getting that one wrong.

    3)Finally, you lack of information (and I hope it's just that you never looked into it instead of just reading wild-a ** claims by some neo-conservative blow hard) regarding comparisons of the education system in the US against those of other countries is just plain wrong, primarily because you neither state the instrument that the comparisons are being made with and you don't know who is being tested to generate those comparisons.

    If you got your head from in front of computer screen all day and paid attention to life going on around you, you would know that the US educates more children and educates them longer than any other country in the world. Maybe we could cherry pick our very best like some countries but we don't. And those students include those with learning disabilities, students who don't speak english, students who are poor and live in impoverished regions of the country, homeless children, sick children, home schooled children, children who "might" be lesbians or homosexuals, as well as some children who (through no fault of their parents or themselves) are ambiguous gender (it means they might have sex organs of both, or through some error, might have had the sexual organs damaged or missing, or other cases where even genetic testing doesn't clarify their present gender). The US educates Asians, Hispanics, Russians, African Americans, even students from Canada or Argentina. And it doesn't cost them a cent. That's because for the student, in America, education is free. In fact, you can't demand that a parent or guardian pays even 1 cent if they decide to push the issue. I'm certian people like you would object loudly to students with severe mental or physical handicaps have to be educated in the most appropriate setting, even if that means room and board, an education at many fine institutions that provide that service. That means if it costs $180,000.00 dollars a year, your local school district HAS to pay $180,000.00 a year. For one student.

    There is just not a lot you seem to know about education other than griping about how bad it is. I'm sorry, it seems to have let you down as well. Maybe you can get a liberal bleeding heart lawyer to sue you school district for malpractice.

    Here's two final things to ponder: Girls and boys participate in sports. In some sports against each other. That doesn't mean they share locker rooms. They don't. Girls swimming and boys swimming run along side of each other. They don't share locker rooms. Since Title 9(?) in the early 70's, girls are allowed to participate in sports. If there is no female equivalent, then they compete on the boys team if similar. That's why there are girl's teams and boy's teams in every sport.

    The exception is wrestling. Since most schools do not have a separate girl's wrestling team, they compete against boys of the same weight class. I've coached females on male wrestling teams. Guess what? Two separate locker rooms. Guess what? We have to hire a female adult to monitor the girl's locker room. Guess what? Girls are treated no differently from boys on the mat or in practice. I've seen many boy-girl wrestling matches. Ooohhh get ready for the outrage!!!! They use the same moves and holds. Only a deviant would go where your mind is going right now. I've seen many boys talk big and say they're gonna do this or that. I would tell them: what your gonna do is end up on your back, looking at the lights on the gym ceiling. And that is exactly what happens.

    Other thing: maybe we shouldn't have soccer teams because we didn't have them before... not until students from other countries started coming here. We should drop badminton as well because a lot of Asians play that. On the other hand maybe we should play Lacrosse here because it's all the rage back east.

    It just seems things are changing way to fast for you Mr. Portal. In ways you don't understand. Maybe you should be glad that Alejandro/a has a chance to get a good education without being harassed about whether she's a boy or he's a girl. Maybe you would be happy to see that he/she isn't being bullied by and made fun of by a teacher who just reads the script everyday.

    Or not. In your way of thinking, she should just be ashamed.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:20 am on Sat, May 4, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2358

    Mr. Maurer - I would think that since we've evolved into such an enlightened society that there should be no separation of the sexes when it comes to restrooms - they should all be "unisex" as everyone is mature enough to leave others to relieve themselves without intrusion or interruption.

    As for your true story, I doubt that whatever was going on had anything to do with the boy's sexual preferences. Perhaps he was just uncomfortable being accosted by three females for other reasons? Clearly not every guy is ready to jump into a foursome in their teenage years. In fact, it makes me wonder how the three females were raised that would have them behave in such a fashion. Or just maybe the episode had nothing to do with sex at all. Or is that just not possible in this "enlightened" society of ours? It seems to me that as we progress, we've become less able to control our baser instincts. That's sad, don't you think; or should we expect and even celebrate such behavior from our youth now that we're in this "if it feels good, just do it" era?

     
  • Ron Portal posted at 10:55 am on Sat, May 4, 2013.

    Ron Portal Posts: 120

    Where do you think the teachings of the apostles and the New Testament came from? The Bible says you do not add or subtract [even a comma] from the word of God. If you do, its no longer the word of God. You think any of the writers of the Bible said to themselves ,"Well, the Lord didn't say anything about gays but I hate them so much I'll add these lines just to get at them" When you say Jesus didn't say anything about gays...think that through to the ending. Jesus loved everyone...gays, straight and just plain weird. That's why He came to give His life and blood to us so He could give us a way out of our sins. As it is said, love the sinners but hate the sin that has them bound.

     
  • Ron Portal posted at 10:45 am on Sat, May 4, 2013.

    Ron Portal Posts: 120

    And that strengthens my disgust in the Bush family...thank you Eric. And, to not be misunderstood, I'm disgusted in their politics...in their private lives they are probably very decent and loving people...at least, I would hope.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 10:24 am on Sat, May 4, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 447

    This is a true story that a friend and I witnessed and participated in at Lodi Lake in 1980 which provoked several thoughts then as it does now with AB 1266: Troy and I were sitting on a bench enjoying a couple beers when a pickup drove by slowly with 3 teenage girls and 1 teenage boy in it. The 2 female passengers were doing something that was distressing the male passenger(we couldn't tell what exactly) to the point that the male passenger was crawling over a female passenger, half his body outside the passenger window, attempting to escape. The pickup stopped in front of us as the females tried to keep the male in the truck. Troy and I noticed that all 3 females were stunningly beautiful and we jumped up, ran over, and shoved the male back in with jealously growled at him to "get back in there and enjoy it, you lucky(deleted)!" As the females picked up where they left off on the male,and started to drive away, Troy and I realized our mistake, and ran after the the truck begging the females to take us instead. The females were laughing and waving bye to us as they drove away. Back then, gays and lesbians were not in the public spotlight as they are today, and I assumed that the male passenger was gay. Nowadays, I have to question the sanity of adults pushing AB1266 allowing young students using restrooms they feel is appropriate to the gender they feel that they are instead of the gender they are or what sex they feel like being on any given day. I can see chaos in the lives of the children that hopefully will be thwarted. The above story could become commonplace. A few thoughts: should female restrooms have urinals? Should male restrooms have the urinals removed in favor of individual stalls? Should all restrooms male or female have individual stalls for privacy? Just a thought.

     
  • Ron Portal posted at 10:24 am on Sat, May 4, 2013.

    Ron Portal Posts: 120

    Since liberalism has taken hold of our educational system during the Nixon years with the formation of the Dept. of Education our students have gone from being the top of most categories in intelligence and academic accomplishments to the bottom of the scale. I know teachers of today that tell me that getting a teachers degree is just a money maker for the state because once they get into the classroom they are given teaching outlines that are to be read to the class almost word for word and if you stray from this outline to teach it the way the teacher feels it should they get reprimanded and are threatened with being fired. Anyone, I'm told, who can read can walk in off the street and teach in today's schools with this system. Most of us grew up in a school system with teachers who had the freedom to teach in a manner that they felt their students would learn the most. Were all the teachers good teachers...no. Unlike the utopians who believe that under their system of beliefs all can be perfect and a heaven on earth there will always be those that do not fulfill the obligations of their jobs...in any profession. But education is the responsibility of the local people and local gov'ts who actually have hands on responsibility to the students their teaching instead of a centralized gov't apparatus hundreds, sometimes thousands of miles away with a one size fits all approach. Which,by the way, is the way the soviet model and other tyrannical gov'ts teach in their schools. Can anyone tell me in all honesty that the school system of today that was set in force during one of our most despicable presidents in history is better for our children of today than the one we grew up in before the 1970"s?? As far as Walter saying the Levite is preparing another sermon..I would love to be part of the Levites but unfortunately they are part of the chosen people of God....I am but part of the adopted gentiles...and very thankful for it. Thank you, Jesus. If you don't believe in what the Bible teaches that's your freedom to do so. The Bible isn't this mystical thing that only priests or wizards or prophets can interpret. The mystery the apostles was talking about is simply that Christ is in you. Not in a statue of wood, or stone or whatever. And the practice of animal offerings to temples was done away with at the cross when the curtain that separated the holy of holies in the temple was rent from the top [the strongest part of the curtain] to the bottom. The Ten Commandments was then distilled into two... love the true God [the one crucified on the cross] with all your heart and the other...to love one another as we would like to be loved and treated. If you think the Bible and all that goes with Christianity is a fairy tale or just myth...that's your choice. But if what the Bible says is not a fairy tale but true [as I believe] then when you pass away from this life to the next you will get the shock of your eternity.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 8:34 am on Sat, May 4, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1404

    The people who really complain about this type of bill are the ones who haven't been in a schools since they attended as a student, or at best have had contact only through volunteering (which could be substantial). Even newer teachers (and by that there really isn't a set point where you transition between new and veteran...years of service don't count when it comes to the big picture) have misunderstood laws, regulations, protocol, and not even necessarily new laws, regulations, and protocols.

    I have, what everyone would identify as "veteran" teachers, say and believe some of the stupidest things you could imagine. You wonder where they went to college or were brought up. This also includes their upbringing or their life experiences. I've heard "veteran" teachers say the most heinous racial "jokes" in class..."it's ok, they know I'm just joking"...no they don't. I've heard students and fellow staff identified as racial stereotypical terms. I was deposed once regarding a murder suspect (who is in prison now for the rest of his life) who made the claim of being exposed to constant racist environment. Although I wasn't the target of the deposition, I had to admit, that yes, I've heard staff in particular make racial comments that were inappropriate in most settings, save for ones that included cross burnings.

    Lesbian, gay, transgender students are now being afforded "rights" that they have been unable to receive in the past. Call it a different form of racism if you want, it's very similar. As racist stereotypes, jokes, comments are not appropriate any longer, neither are stereotypes, jokes, or comments about gays and transgendered students. When Mr. Portal writes "Homophobes, peddlers of ignorance and on and on with your political correctness [tyranny with manners] that demands that you are the most righteous who defend the so-called "rights" of your pet group[s] who you feel are prohibited in their freedoms to do as they want." it shows a magnificent misunderstanding about American individual rights that isn't superficial, it goes right to the bone. You can't educate people like Mr. Portal. The depth of their ignorance is so great and visceral that it would require some sort of 24 hour a day therapy for an extended period of time.

    I can understand Ms. Gooden's concern (although it seems more to be just another internet campaign about the latest injustice to be forced on white people), but Mr. Portal claims to be educated, with graduate work at an Ivy League school no less. I have to wonder what he was studying and what his major was: eugenics? The sad thing about this issue is that someone must write a bill in order to make sure all children have equal rights to fair and equitable education, free from harassment and bullying by staff and fellow students.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:11 am on Sat, May 4, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1139

    • “you already misrepresented one”

    Kevin, I’ll take that as a complement!

    I posted nine examples and you’ve suggested that I only mangled one of them. Cool.

    You noticed I didn’t mention anything about managing slaves.

    Nor any comments about animal sacrifices and burnt offerings.

    I left out anything about eunuchs and men missing testicles.

    I didn’t address how a father should deal with problem children, especially daughters.

    I didn’t post anything pertaining to homosexual acts…

    Even though I found only a couple of dozen words about it.

    So what’s your point?

    [smile]

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 7:31 pm on Fri, May 3, 2013.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2033

    Great examples Walter.

    Now can you identify the CONTEXT and REASONING as to these laws/standards? I somehow doubt it since you already misrepresented one.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:08 pm on Fri, May 3, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1139

    "beliefs"

    To avoid going to hell... (pt 1)

    Men used to believe that they couldn't go to Red Lobster and enjoy the "all you can eat shrimp" special. Leviticus 11:10 "But whatever is in the seas and in the rivers that does not have fins and scales among all the teeming life of the water, and among all the living creatures that are in the water, they are detestable things to you."

    Men used to believe that they couldn't waste their seed. No further comments required. Genesis 38:9-10: "Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother's wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord; so He took his life also."

    Men used to believe that they couldn't get tattoos or piercings. Even those complying with current US military tattoo polices. Leviticus 19:28 reads, "You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the Lord."

    ...

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:07 pm on Fri, May 3, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1139

    "beliefs"

    To avoid going to hell... (pt 2)

    Men used to believe that they couldn't DIVORCE. That's NO DIVORCE period. Two time losers burn even hotter. Mark 10:8, "you are no longer two, but one flesh." Mark 10:9 "What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate." Mark 10:11-12 "And He said to them, 'Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery.'"

    Men used to believe that their wife's couldn't wear Gucci or Rolex. Not a problem, huh? Timothy 2:9 "Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments."

    Men used to believe that they couldn't read their horoscope in the LNS or consult fortune tellers who may or may not advertise in the LNS. Leviticus 19:31 reads "Do not turn to mediums or spiritualists; do not seek them out to be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God."

    ...

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:07 pm on Fri, May 3, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1139

    "beliefs"

    To avoid going to hell... (pt 3)

    Men used to believe that they couldn't cut their hair or trim their beards. Think: ZZ Top. Leviticus 19:27 reads "You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard."

    Men used to believe that they couldn't eat Jimmy Dean's pure pork sausage. Or play a friendly game of touch football. Leviticus 11:8 reads "You shall not eat of their flesh nor touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you."

    Men used to believe that they couldn't wear Nike, cheap Hawaiian shirts or imitation flat cap hats. Leviticus 19:19 reads, "You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together."


    [smile]

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 3:11 pm on Fri, May 3, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2358

    Considering that contained within the Assembly Floor Analysis of AB 1266 contains the following: “For example, an eight-year-old transgender girl in a suburban school district who was told to use a nurse’s restroom would intentionally avoid drinking and eating certain food to avoid having to use the restroom, rather than face questions from her classmates as to why she would not use a girl’s restroom,” it’s certainly not a far stretch to believe that this issue extends to children in the primary grades of elementary school. Someone earlier expressed doubt that such children would be considered in this regard. Obviously those closest to the bill believe otherwise.

    Regardless of how I might feel about the “transgendered” issue, keeping our youngest children safe and secure in our public schools must be our primary concern. This is not an easy matter as it touches on so many of us in so many different ways. To believe that all should simply disregard their feelings and beliefs because we’ve become so “enlightened” in this 21st century is wrong.

    Nevertheless, I cannot fathom how a second or third grade child could possibly understand such a thing at such a tender age. As such I must disagree with the bill’s requirement that “a pupil be permitted to participate in sex-segregated school programs, activities, and facilities including athletic teams and competitions, consistent with his or her gender identity, regardless of the gender listed on the pupil’s records.” Not only can’t a youngster fully comprehend the ramifications that they’re not a boy or girl even though they were born as such, his/her classmates cannot be expected to understand it either. In this case, I would err on the side of caution – that would be to have an elementary school-aged child going through such a process to be placed into a different school better equipped to handle the matter. Keep in mind (and memory) – children can be every bit as mean-spirited as adults. Teachers can’t be everywhere all the time, especially on the playground. The biting comments (and worse) certain to come may very well have an adverse impact on all concerned.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 12:23 pm on Fri, May 3, 2013.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2033

    I believe that Ron would probably cite situations like this for his rant (Though I would argue that this was a teachers decision and not a school or state wide program).
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/11/01/school-clams-up-on-gay-pledge-cards-given-to-kindergartners/

    Seemed like there were several of these kinds of stories all at the same time for a little, then they ended.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:18 am on Fri, May 3, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Negating the old idea of a liberal education that each student study the greatest books has given way to a hodgepodge of new disciplines like African-American Studies, Latino Studies, Native American Studies, Women's Studies, Gay and Lesbian Studies based on the assumption that there is no single way to describe the world that all serious and open-minded students can comprehend."

    Not sure where this fits into Ron Portal's viewpoint that homosexuals should just go away and everyone should pretend they don't exist.

    One can study "the greatest books." Who is stopping anyone from doing this in college?

    Unless one wants to remain ignorant and make ridiculous blanket statements about "African Americans, Latinos, Women, etc.," then it might be a good idea to take one of these classes.

    In order to get a degree in Liberal Studies (in California) that leads to a teaching credential, ethnic studies are required. Unless you plan to teach in a community that consists solely of WASP students who are guaranteed to be heterosexual, one might want to be familiar with those topics.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:09 am on Fri, May 3, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Wow...reading Ron Portal's rant below, one would think that sex had just been invented during the "sexual revolution."

    And since when does his so-called "radical sexual agenda" start in elementary school? Is he referring to health education classes that kids attend only if the parent gives permission?

    It is attitudes like this that lead to ignorance about sex, birth control, unintended pregnancies, STD's, etc. I guess, according to Ron, kids are better off NOT knowing anything about sex which, in his twisted sense of logic, makes kids NOT ENGAGE IN SEXUAL ACTIVITY.

     
  • Lawrence Steinberg posted at 6:44 pm on Thu, May 2, 2013.

    Lawrence Steinberg Posts: 65

    We all know Paul hated gays, women and cute little baby kittens but Ron, can you please point us to the place in the Gospels where Jesus Christ himself condemned homosexuality?

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:41 pm on Thu, May 2, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1404

    So Ms. Gooden is sending her child to Yale? FYI: That's in another state. I don't think CA laws apply there, but then again, you didn't even know the name of the author of the bill so fact checking isn't your strong point I'm guessing.

    You might want to chill out a little bit. The first 6 or 7 lines of your 3:20 post are confusing. The only thing I get out of it is that you are angry about conditions that you percieve to exist. Still a lot with the anger thing to.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:49 pm on Thu, May 2, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1139

    Folks, we're over do for our lecture.

    And you know what that means...

    Our resident Levite priest is working on his opus right now.

    Standby.

    Leviticus in five, four, three . .


    [lol]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:48 pm on Thu, May 2, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1139

    "Live sadomasochism demonstrations..."

    I sense envy.

    Ron, it's been awhile. Huh??


    [wink]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 4:20 pm on Thu, May 2, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1538

    Here is a link to the entire speech that Ron is refrencing. http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2013&month=01

    Didn't both Bushes go to Yale as well as Nathan Harden the author giving the speech that Ron is refrencing.

     
  • Ron Portal posted at 3:20 pm on Thu, May 2, 2013.

    Ron Portal Posts: 120

    Homophobes, peddlers of ignorance and on and on with your political correctness [tyranny with manners] that demands that you are the most righteous who defend the so-called "rights" of your pet group[s] who you feel are prohibited in their freedoms to do as they want. The gay community isn't being stopped to do their thing. They have all the rights with their partners as married couples. They're not being hung, stoned to death, or having physical parts cut off. This bill is just another act in the radical sexual agenda that starts in elementary school to graduate school pushed by professors and administrators who came of age during the sexual revolution [so-called] and busy themselves indoctrinating students into the culture of promiscuity. At Yale, for instance, they have what's called sex week. As the author of one reporting on it called it a " festival of sleaze, porn, and debauchery, dressed up as sex education" that the author witnessed as a grad student at Yale. Hard-core screenings of porn, manufacturers of sex toys and porn production companies marketing their products to students. Live sadomasochism demonstrations, porn films showing women bound and beaten screened in the context of "instruction" on how students might want to engage in relationships of their own. All of this under the dictates of moral relativism where no view is any more valid than any other. Negating the old idea of a liberal education that each student study the greatest books has given way to a hodgepodge of new disciplines like African-American Studies, Latino Studies, Native American Studies, Women's Studies, Gay and Lesbian Studies based on the assumption that there is no single way to describe the world that all serious and open-minded students can comprehend. This ideology of moral relativism....that there's no moral distinction between America and its enemies and that all people everywhere are just the same as us that produces a false sense of security will come back to bite us. If you say you're a Christian read Romans 1:24-32. This scripture is just one of many that tell of human activities that is "worthy of death". Homosexuality and lesbianism is among those activities. And 1Cor 6:9-11 that says they will not inherit the kingdom of God but ends with "and such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." It then goes on warning against sexual immorality. Moral relativism and liberalism is destroying this society and if you can't see this then you're not so open-minded as you think.

     
  • Lawrence Steinberg posted at 12:46 pm on Thu, May 2, 2013.

    Lawrence Steinberg Posts: 65

    Linda, what specific right of yours do you feel is being "infringed" by homosexuals?

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 12:00 pm on Thu, May 2, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1404

    Homophobia is rampant in this town.

    The ignorance harboured by some is just amazing and disappointing.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:34 am on Thu, May 2, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I think the most insulting and ignorant part of Ms. Gooden's letter is her assumption that kids just "wake up one morning and decide" that they are actually the opposite sex.

    I'm sure that such a conclusion can only be reached through years of doubt and wondering why they feel uncomfortable with their physical gender.

    I had a college professor who was a woman and only in her thirties did she consider making the physical transition from female to male. She actually did make a more believable "guy" than she did a "gal" and was much happier for it.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:23 am on Thu, May 2, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I don't know what the incidence of students K-6 deciding on an opposite "gender identity" is. Haven't looked at that - so it could be zero percent or 10, 20, whatever. I would imagine that this would apply more to 7th-12th graders.

    It has been 10 years since my daughter was in middle school, but she was acquainted with or friends with several kids who were either openly gay or were still "in the closet" but later came out in high school.

    Most kids could care less because they are much more worldly than their parents give them credit for - and yes, there will always be the homophobes and gay bashers.

    From the bill's analysis:

    "In an Amici Curiae submitted in support of the demurrer filed by then SPI, Jack O'Connell, the National Center for Lesbian Rights, Equality California, and Gay-Straight Alliance argue that "subjective discomfort in the presence of transgender individuals does not create a protected privacy interest" and point out that "claims of discomfort in the presence of a minority group propped up decades of racial segregation in housing, education, and access to public facilities like restrooms and drinking fountains."

    This basically negates the letter writers statement that homosexuals "don't have the right to infringe" on her rights to not have to accept or associate with any members of the LBGT community just because she is uncomfortable about it.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:11 am on Thu, May 2, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mike: They are referring to the very last part of the legislation - note: sex-segregated school programs, activities, AND FACILITIES....consistent with his or her GENDER IDENTITY.

    (f) A pupil shall be permitted to participate in sex-segregated
    school programs, activities, and facilities, including athletic teams
    and competitions, consistent with his or her gender identity,
    irrespective of the gender listed on the pupil’s records.

    From the April 25 version:

    SUMMARY: Specifies that a pupil shall be permitted to participate in sex-segregated school programs and activities, including athletic teams and competitions, AND USE FACILITIES CONSISTENT WITH HIS OR HER GENDER IDENTITY, irrespective of the gender listed on the pupil's records.

    And yes, this was introduced by Ammiano (a gay assemblyman from San Francisco) and co-authored by Atkins, a lesbian assemblywoman from San Diego and supported by the other members of the LGBT caucus in the California Assembly.

    Most of this bill makes very good sense, especially the section that deals with counselors directing students to strive for gender oriented educational/career goals regardless of their "gender identity." Both San Francisco Unified and LA Unified have instituted the above rules.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 10:19 am on Thu, May 2, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1404

    "When it is passed into a law, if a young person wakes up one morning and decides he is a girl, the schools will be required to accommodate him. He is now able to use the girls' restroom, girls' locker room and play on girls' teams in sports. "

    Perhaps you can direct me where it says this?

    Really, you guy should have read this thing before criticizing it.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 9:04 am on Thu, May 2, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1404


    "...a gay democratic state congressman from San Francisco..." This phrasing you use really says a lot.. What would be the difference if he was gay or not?

    Neither you nor the author of the letter even seem to know his name. You didn't even bother to find that out before venting. There is also a co-sponser. You don't know thathat person's name or gender either.

    And you and the author of the letter seem to think that everyone who is trans gender is a homosexual also. Your lack of knowledge on this issue is really sad. At least get the basics. You or the author probably haven't even read the bill.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 8:54 am on Thu, May 2, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1404

    "...a gay democratic state congressman from San Francisco." This really explains a lot.

    Also, is this "...gay democratic state congressman from San Francisco." a democrat and a member of congress or do you mean he is a democratic member of the state legislature, or are you labelilng California as a democratic state (which we are) as it relates to our form of government.

    And what really separates you and the letter writer and shows your outrage best is that neither one of you seems to know who introduced this bill, or if it was introduced in the assembly, state senate, or Congress in Washington DC.

     
  • Ron Portal posted at 7:52 am on Thu, May 2, 2013.

    Ron Portal Posts: 120

    And this is part of the gay, lesbian, bi-sexual, transgender [LGBT] movement which is being proposed by a gay democratic state congressman from San Francisco to once again push sex down the throats of children too young and immature to understand. That's why Linda Gooden keys on homosexuals because they are the ones pushing this crap. Schools are for reading, writing and arithmetic .... not to influence impressionable children to become part of the LGBT lifestyles. Mr. Adams, are you really OK with young kids being exposed to this?

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:43 am on Thu, May 2, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1404

    "My question is: Why is it OK that homosexuals are allowed to offend me, but if I protest — and by so doing offend them — I am a hater? I agree homosexuals have rights, just as I do, but they don't have a right to infringe on mine."

    Do you even know what "transgender" means? Hint: It might have nothing at all to do with homosexuality.

     

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