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Posted: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 5:57 am, Tue Oct 9, 2012.

Elections are rapidly approaching, and there are many things to consider. The main one is that the Democrats need three to five more seats in the State Assembly and State Senate. What does that mean? It means that the Democrats will have a two-thirds majority and can pass any tax increases they want.

If this happens, we can kiss Prop. 13 goodbye. It will probably be directed at business first because many feel business is evil and it will not affect them. Wrong! Rental properties — i.e. apartments, mobile home parks and houses — are considered business properties. Property taxes are a major proponent to rent structures. Then when the tax money is insufficient to cover their spending needs, residential housing will be under assault.

We can depend on California to continue spending stupidly, and the heck with the taxpayer. Think very seriously this election, because we will all pay the price for overspending in the way of over-taxation.

I, for one, will be looking at the sponsors of the propositions on the ballot and vote against tax increases.

Vicky Weidner

Lodi

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27 comments:

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:19 am on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Obama selects Steven Chu ( Energy TZAR) to do what and why?

    These you tube clips show exactly why Obama wanted this man...


    Title:Steven Chu - lower gas prices not goal
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-pAvg6McPQ&feature=related


     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:01 am on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Heuer stated...Even Obama said "why would I want energy prices to go up in an election" especially since they were kept unexpectedly down for so long.

    'How in the world can Obama supporters be so ignorant in what Barack Obama has stated directly from his own mouth.

    These are you tube clips of Obama admitting that his plans will result in much higher prices of energy and fuels... It is from his own mouth. Of course the Obama Kool Aid drinkers will give sometype of excuse as to why they do not care...amazing!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Tmi_fpUHs&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=5M1WlV7vafk&feature=endscreen


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4yFsaxw6L8&feature=related

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:49 am on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    What do gas prices have to do with Vicky Weidner's letter? [sleeping]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 8:23 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1500

    So by the cons' logic, if prices now plummet to $2.30/gallon, would President Obama not deserve the credit for slashing gasoline prices in half?

    Of course not. That's not the con way!
    The con way is everyone unhappy about something. Doesn't matter what, just be unhappy. And if their is a democrat who might be even distantly related, then blame it on him/her.

    The con way is no republican is ever responsible except if something doesn't end in disaster. That's why they always play "Happy Times are Here Again" at their disasterous conventions.

    Other things cons are against:
    kittens (ask Jk)
    fun
    fair wages and working conditions (they keep this secret from their rank and file
    members who just blame their lack of fair wages and poor working conditions
    on unions
    the planet Venus

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 8:20 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1500

    So by the cons' logic, if prices now plummet to $2.30/gallon, would President Obama not deserve the credit for slashing gasoline prices in half?

    Of course not. That's not the con way!
    The con way is everyone unhappy about something. Doesn't matter what, just be unhappy. And if their is a democrat who might be even distantly related, then blame it on him/her.

    The con way is no republican is ever responsible except if something doesn't end in disaster. That's why they always play "Happy Times are Here Again" at their disasterous conventions.

    Other things cons are against:

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 6:40 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    Qh Well there goes another Andrew post. It was a little off topic I guess but then so are most of Darrell s posts.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 6:37 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    Why do you incist on posting such BS. Chu made an off hand comment and not a policy goal. Chu is well recognized as an expert in the the field of energy. Every one know that the cheap gas is an obsticle to choosing more green energy. Even Obama said "why would I want energy prices to go up in an election" especially since they were kept unexpectedly down for so long.


     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:34 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    You could be right Pat... However, I always look forward to someone showing me where I am making a mistake or misunderstanding something.

    When they cannot substantiiate their claims, it helps me to understand that I am on the right path to truth.

    Someday, I hope to have the wisdom you have , I also always learn new things from Mr Kinderman, Jay, Kim, Joe Robert and a host of others. I also have been surprised by Mr Liebich and have learned much from him...

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:26 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Heuer, since Obama vetted his team before selecting them, and since Obama enthusiastically selected Energy Secretary Steven Chu as “his man” to be our leader and key adviser to the president on matters of energy which includes “oil and gas”, and since Mr Chu was famous for promoting dramatically higher gas prices so that the “green industry” would have a fighting chance,...

    Why do you think Obama selected him? So gas prices would go down? It is more likely than Steven Chu would have been fired by Obama if he did not do what he could to make gas prices increase....

    In fact,if Obama is reelected, it is likely that Obama will push hard to do what he set out to do, which is get 8-10 dollars per gallon gas...to achieve his green dream.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 3:27 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    Mr Samone
    Wonderful post, intelligent and well presented with a minimum of partisanship. Thank you. Its hard to get an oppoaing view that is so well articulated. California does have the highest emmissions standards I agree but I would not have it any other way especially living here in the central valley. The air quality index reaches unhealthy levels especially in heat waves. However this will raise our cost per gallon but isn't responsible for spikes. Our prices always follow the national trend even if it may be a few cents higher.

    I couldn't agree more that the two refinery issues have an impact on gas prices however they are usuall regional rather than limited to local only. The impact of changing from summer to winter blends is not a clear contributer to the current spike since the request to do the switch was advanced early as a relief to the current spike ie. after the spike.

    Your statement "the majority of voters who voted to reduce air pollution" is an odd statement.:That most of us want clean air. Its like you're saying gas prices are more important than health. I have always been puzzeled by this thought that if we allow pollution it can be justified by lower prices. Yes I know the business argument and the competitive argument however I hear arguments for other areas that their costs have to compensate for local issues of one sort or another. As far as gas is concerned this is not a make or break deal. Now there are a whole bunch of issues about Calif business that can better be evaluated for better business promotions.

    OK I stand corrected the coastal issue is bipartisan. Again I do support protecting our coast lines for their beauty and natural resources even at the cost of a few who gain from it. However this is the story of America. Its like a lot of commodity traders who made it big fmoney rom disaster like oil prices going up after 9/11 or in the wake of Katrina. As long as Calif has state parks for people on the coast or have vistas along hiway 1 I don't have too many complaints. This is a tourist industry. I have been fortunate having family that have had (but no longer) properties both on the coast and on the lake at Tahoe. I can see both sides. However Prop 30 is vitally necessary for the state to avoid drastic cuts in our budget that will impact fire, police and of course education. They are necessary to our state to continue and, not as one person stated, give MORE money to these vital services even though they do need more. We just don't need anymore cuts. The economy is recovering but not fast enough.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:21 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    DB: Enough with the facts!!! The Demo merry-go-round is too busy trying to catch the pony in front of it, fearing that the one behind it is fast catching up. No amount of logic, sensibility or information will change their minds...they just move on to the next story.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:50 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    What nonsense. A ring?

     
  • Jay Samone posted at 12:52 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Jay Samone Posts: 359

    Mr. Heuer - two points for you to ponder: while you are correct in that gas prices (barrel cost) are set internationally, California has the highest EPA standards in the nation. Californians pay the second highest gas tax in the nation and it costs more (in general) to refine California's gas because we require specific blends to meet CalEPA's and the Air Resources Board emmissions standards. The current rise in gas is due to the two refinery issues as of late. Both refineries were in the process of switching from California's "summer blend" to "winter blend". This is part of what created the "shortage" and spike in price. The refineries have stopped producing the "summer blend" so when they have fires, power failures, pipeline outages, etc, es ist kaput. We can only thank the majority of voters who voted to reduce air pollution, create stringent standards, and agreed to pay additional taxes on a gallon of gas, yet refused to allow new refineries open. I believe those voters were primarily Democrats - are we not in a BLUE STATE?

    Secondly - this statement, "Not in my back yard" is the problem with new refineries which need accsessibleocean ports often next to your rich friends wanting their freedom on the ocean."

    Let's take a closer look at who really lives there. If I recall, Dianne Feinstein (a Democrat) has spent nearly her entire career "preserving" coastal land by preventing development and creating "preserves" that drive the cost of living up tremendously so that you need to be wealthy in order to live there. While I can see the necessity for it, her motives aren't entirely genuine - considering she owns millions of dollars ($99 million to be exact) worth of properties in the Bay Area - one of her "protected" areas. Now she is working to expand the Mojave desert in another land grab. So - you can't make this solely a Republican problem because it clearly isn't.

    Just sayin'

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:09 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    BTW Mr Lucas?

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:08 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    Since Obama took office gas prices have been going down despite your charges. Now is it necessary I repeat the question "What do Calif Democrats have to do with $4.65/gal gas?" with the addition RIGHT NOW." Maybe its the refinery that went down that has the effected prices. New refineries? Maybe we could put one in Acampo next to you? "Not in my back yard" is the problem with new refineries which need accsessibleocean ports often next to your rich friends wanting their freedom on the ocean.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:07 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Lucas stated...Gas prices are set on the international market

    Of course Mr Heuer... supply and demand have nothing to do with the price of gas... and of course, American political decisions and policy has absolutely no effect on the international market...(gag)

    and of course, California's rules and regulations as it pertains to producing gas for California has no effect on gas prices...right?When is the last time the California democrats approved of increasing refineries to increase California production? I think Jesus was walking the planet back then...

    Mr Obama believed that by putting 80 billion into going green, it would develop alternate fuels that made gas operated vehicals less in demand. He believes by making gas prices increase that green technology was be able to survive. So of course, it is not a surprise to anyone that gas prices have gone up.

    The point is that we have an administration that is joyful and enthusiastic about gas prices going up... oil companies are very excited that Obama selected Energy Secretary Steven Chu as they knew oil profits would skyrocket with such support from oil friendly politicians... Big oil and Obama are blood brothers in my opinion.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:09 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "There is no god but allah" [sleeping]

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obamas-ring-there-is-no-god-but-allah/

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:47 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1500

    And what does this have to do with California gas @ $4+ a gallon?

    According to your post, President Obama is trying to make the US more energy effecient. I know this isn't popular with the cons, but nothing ever is. Perhaps all the energy the cons put into fighting the president could be better spent helping the US find more ways to utilize what we have. The Dems can't do it all lthemselves.
    Or better, maybe they can all move somewhere gas is cheaper?

    I think we are just on a major perspective change. Those like me, Thomas, Steve, Joanne, Walter, are the point. You and your fellow cons are way back on the handle of the sword screaming "not so fast, not so fast.".

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:08 pm on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    More Darrell BS. Gas prices are set on the international market. US production has never been higher. Ethanol mixed with gas reduces the cost of gas. You used the word FACT yet there is one fact missing: the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. You have as much fact as the "Obama 2016" movie:scant and hand picked.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:06 pm on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike stated, I think we need a democrat super majority. This will end a lot of the "no" from the interlopers on the other side of the aisle

    I agree, and it also will make very clear who is responsible for the eventual tanking of the economy.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:02 pm on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike stated...where was all the republican p@##ing and moaning in 2008 when the price of gasoline spiked?

    Big difference with Obama as he looks forward to gas prices dramatically increasing..In fact, That is why his hired the man who pushes for higher gas prices...

    President Barack Obama’s Energy Secretary Steven Chu wants to “figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.” At the time he made the statement, gas cost $7 – $8 a gallon in Europe. He was quoted as saying he hoped it would go as high as $10.00 per gallon.

    Fact: Since taking office, President Obama’s entire energy agenda has made a gallon of gas more expensive:
    •Immediately after taking office in 2009, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, canceled 77 leases for oil and gas drilling in Utah.
    •The EPA announced new rules mandating the use of 36 billion gallons worth of renewable fuels (like ethanol) by 2020.
    •This summer President Obama needlessly instituted, not one, but two outright drilling bans in the Gulf of Mexico.
    •After rescinding his outright offshore drilling ban, President Obama has refused to issue any new drilling permits in the Gulf, a policy that the Energy Information Administration estimates will cut domestic offshore oil production by 13% this year
    •Interior Secretary Salazar announced that the eastern Gulf of Mexico, the Atlantic coast, and the Pacific coast will not be developed, effectively banning drilling in those areas for the next seven years;
    •The Environmental Protection Agency has announced new global warming regulations for oil refineries;
    •Interior Secretary Salazar announced new rules making it more difficult to develop energy resources on federal land.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 2:06 pm on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1500

    Hhmmm....where was all the republican p@##ing and moaning in 2008 when the price of gasoline spiked? Where? I know that in 2000, they tried their hardest to somehow associate the summer/fall gasoline spike on Al Gore's inheritance of his grandfather's chevron shares.

    This spike happens every year. Every year!!! Reformulation. Maintainence. Fire. Take your pick of reasons. The oil industry produces on a "just in time" inventory. It does them no good to have a month long surplus....how are they going to gouge us?
    Tell your republilcan friends that they've been identified as being in bed with chevron, bp, arco;, all the rest.

    I'll let you worry about all the other stuff in your post.

    You seem at least sane....stay away from the conspiracy group.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:00 pm on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Maybe someone finally explained to Willard Mitt Romney what the words "severe conservative" actually meant.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:59 pm on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Like that 4.65 gas, eh Mike? Because you can thank the Democrats for that one."

    This from a "community organizer" who, along with TEA Party mates, has tried to poison the electorate with nonsense.

    This is the type of clap trap that people of this ilk like to spread to those who are even more ignorant than they are.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:28 pm on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    What do Calif Democrats have to do with $4.65/gal gas?
    At least an abyss is still on this planet. The Republicans (and I use to be one) have gone so far to the right they are in another galaxy. Even "Romneys campaign is trying to recover from the primaries where everyone was trying to out conservative each other. Romney is now promoting "let Mit be Mit." He has spent all of his campaign capital trying to win over the right wing radicals who were so demanding he be as radical as them. They still don't realize much of the country is centrist and he is a centrist and he has to go centrist to win. Right wing fanatacism won't cut it.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 11:41 am on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Like that 4.65 gas, eh Mike? Because you can thank the Democrats for that one. And wait until Cap and Trade kicks in next month- Woowee- we ain't seen nuthin' yet!
    AB 32 (yes I know RINO Arnie signed the bill) was passed with one Democrat voting against it, and not one Republican vote for it. So when you go to the gas pump and want to faint- thank a Dem! I was raised a democat and was one until about 25 years ago, but for Heavens sake this party needs to be taken back from the abyss it is in. The liberals of yesteryear, at least in California, have turned in to the fascists of today. Know what they call job loss in California "Leakage!" That is what Mary Nichols of the California Air Resources Board- and all her minions- call peoples loss of homes, jobs, liveliehoids. Collateral Damage- that is what you are to these bureacrats.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 7:18 am on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1500

    I think we need a democrat super majority. This will end a lot of the "no" from the interlopers on the other side of the aisle.

     

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