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Posted: Thursday, July 17, 2014 6:32 am

I would like to further comment on the letter, “Advertisement was inappropriate,” by Helen Sagers, June 25.

I’m a law-abiding, God-fearing citizen and proud of it. Below are some states who will also disagree with you regarding firearms.

Alabama (bans possessing a weapon on school grounds only if the carrier has “intent to do bodily harm”).

  • An Arkansas school district is arming more than 20 teachers and staff to carry guns in school (July 2013).
  • California (with approval of the superintendent).
  • A Colorado school allows teachers with concealed handguns (October 2013).
  • Connecticut (with approval of “school officials”).
  • Florida House passes bill to allow guns in schools (April 2014).
  • Georgia law allows guns in some schools, bars and churches (April 2014).
  • Hawaii (no specific law).
  • Idaho (with school trustees’ approval).
  • Iowa (with “authorization”).
  • Kentucky (with school board approval).
  • Massachusetts (with approval of the school board or principal).
  • Mississippi (with school board approval).
  • Bill passes allowing Missouri teachers to carry guns in school (May 2014).
  • Montana (with school trustees’ permission).
  • New Hampshire (ban applies only to pupils, not adults).
  • New Jersey (with approval from the school’s “governing officer”).
  • New York (with the school’s approval).
  • Oregon (with school board approval).
  • Rhode Island (with a state concealed weapons permit).
  • Texas (with the school’s permission).
  • Utah (with approval of the “responsible school administrator”).
  • Wyoming (as long as it’s not concealed).

In California, all firearms sales — including private and gun show sales, transfers or loans — must go through a California licensed firearms dealer. An application for sale or transfer must be made with a licensed California gun dealer before any firearm may be sold or transferred.

The purchaser must present the dealer with a valid California driver’s license or a California I.D. card and supply their thumbprint. The purchaser of a handgun must also provide additional proof of California residence. The dealer sends a copy of the application to the California Department of Justice and the local police chief. The CA DOJ will conduct a background check on each buyer at a fee. There is a 10-day waiting period before delivery of any firearm. Dealers must keep a register of all firearm transfers.

June Aaker

Lodi

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46 comments:

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:06 pm on Thu, Jul 31, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Are lies and unsubstantiated allegations all you can muster Mike?[rolleyes]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 11:16 pm on Wed, Jul 30, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    Maybe we can get an international tribunal to assess and evaluate a binding decision on AB 1014, a bill andrew admits he doesn't understand and has said so here.
    He also isn't in the NRA (unlike me) but like many others the NRA lets the hangers on grab a hold of our coat tails.

    If andrew bothered to read the bill rather than canned stereotypical responses and statements from other likewise ill-informed people he could understand it better.

    1. andrew isn't in the NRA (I've checked) so he doesn't know that everyone in the
    NRA's magazine everymonth.
    2. The NRA opposses any legislation which they deem "anti-gun"
    3. Most people who get the magazine don't read it. (therefore, the ridiculous
    statement 'I may be the only NRA member for the bill' isn't entirely correct
    4. The NRA doesn't drop members who are dead. This is why their membership
    numbers are so high
    and if he ever bothered to read posts from someone who he isn't stealing them from, he would know I've never said I was for AB 1014

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 7:06 pm on Tue, Jul 29, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    The proposed legislation does not contain an actual sample citation, just the current proposed wording on the legislation and it may be amended.

    And let us remember that this is a proposed law, still subject to the watering down and changes that may make it absolutely worthless as a law enforcement tool.

    I assume you then wrote a letter or some sort of communication regarding this bill or did you sit on your hands as usual, never wanting to get involved, just instigating, which is probably what you are doing now.

    Call back when you get something more definite......

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:58 pm on Tue, Jul 29, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "I still haven't found the NAFTA Superhighway on any map yet"

    You are more than a decade behind Mike. Try to catch up.
    ROFLMAO![lol]

    http://transportation.alberta.ca/2760.htm

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 11:20 am on Tue, Jul 29, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    Well, we would be a new country so we would need new money. Mexico's money isn't worth anything and Canada's money looks funny and is all different sizes. I thought the Amero was a good compromise. And we always have people saying that if they ran their business like the government they would be broke so it makes sense to go to a company that is all up and ready to print or coin new money.

    I still haven't found the NAFTA Superhighway on any map yet, not even one from CSAA! I guess that until my bank starts substituting Ameros, I'll just have to get them from the Franklin Mint. I know these babies are going to pay off some day!

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:45 pm on Mon, Jul 28, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1587

    If your talking about Daniel (last name H?) I remember him. I understood from comments he was smarter than his posts sounded.

    Ameros? Sounds like they may be worse than "Fox gold" investments (The Great Wa in another thread).

    However I know of no country where a business that produces commemorative plates (Jeff Foxworthy calls them "red neck" investments) are also the country's coin mint.
    [smile]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:30 pm on Mon, Jul 28, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Why is the proposed form of the firearm seizure warrant ridiculous Mike?

    It's clearly clearly printed in Sec. 18104 sub-section (2) or in the most recently ammended version of AB 1014 in Sec. 18160.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:13 pm on Mon, Jul 28, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    Thomas, More hyperbole......"proposed firearm seizure warrant". How riduculous.
    I don't know if you remember, but one conspiracy theorist who occasionally posts here and writes letters (he's actually a very smart man and if you met him you'd like him) warned us all of the errosion of the borders between the US, Canada, and Mexico as a result of the "NAFTA Super Highway". We would become one nation. He even cited the new money that would be used, the "Amero" or some such. He had requisition copies and examples of the new "Ameros". Funny thing is though, the "Amero" was produced by the Franklin Mint and you could buy all the "Ameros" you wanted. I don't know, do most nations who have coin have those coins produced by a company that makes commerative plates of Elvis?

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:06 pm on Mon, Jul 28, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    How long have you been alive? You've been reading something for 25 years (by your own admission). You're not a member of the NRA, but every big organization has a department of anti-legislation, Like AARP, and The Boy Scouts, etc. The NRA department is to challenge every single piece of legislation it sees as "anit-gun", it is a policy, not an absolute.

    The NRA's anti-gun department mails/emails "alerts" to all members. Every single piece of legislation that might be construed as "anti-gun" gets targeted. It doesn't matter if its Congress or the city council. The purpose of these alerts is to raise the ire of members to contact those who make the laws/ordinances/policies/regulations. They would hand out pitchforks and torches if so many of their members weren't so dumb they'd acciently stab or set on fire other members.

    They use stupid terms like "draconian" or describe a bill as "the most antigun initiative ever written, crap like that. Almost no one in the NRA does anything like almost no one in the AARP does anything when the republicans want to cut social security. It's just the way it is.

    With all the crap you routinely post here, you would think you would have noticed by now. I guess you don't read what you copy and paste.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:49 pm on Mon, Jul 28, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mike,
    You may very well be the only member of the NRA who is not strongly opposed to AB 1014. Have you voiced your opposition to their letter of opposition?[lol]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 10:58 am on Mon, Jul 28, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    That's because andrew took it from here:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=The+victims+of+this+proposed+law+might+have+no+idea+they+have+even+been+targeted+until+police+show+up+at+the+door%2C+conceivably+in+the+middle+of+the+night+%28see+the+%E2%80%9Cproposed+form%E2%80%9D+of+the+firearm+seizure+warrant+in+the+statute%29.&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

    Always the hyperbole. You'd think the British were coming, oh no!! They're on the front porch right now! God save the Queen!!

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:04 am on Mon, Jul 28, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    If you were to "(see the "proposed form" of the firearm seizure warrant in the statute)" as I clearly suggested Mr. Heuer, you wouldn't be uninformed.

    It had clearly stated in Sec. 18104 sub-section (2), "(or at any time of the day or night, as the case may be, according to Section 1533 of the Penal Code)"

    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/13-14/bill/asm/ab_1001-1050/ab_1014_bill_20140528_amended_sen_v94.html
    [sleeping]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 7:11 pm on Sun, Jul 27, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1587

    Police show p in the middle of the night? A little dramatic isn't it? I'm sure this person had visits from the police (domestic disturbance, violent act(s or other police encounters), prior to any gun confiscation encounter. Lets be real. You're, as Mr Adams pointed out, just trying to scare the uninformed.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:00 pm on Sat, Jul 26, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The NRA is strongly opposed to AB 1014 for obvious reasons.

    The reasons are clearly outlined in their opposition letter to the Senate Public Safety Committee.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 11:38 am on Sat, Jul 26, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    "...would allow police to confiscate a person’s firearms solely on the basis of an accusation made against the gun owner by a family member "....like a restraining order against someone who beats his wife or kids.
    Can you imagine the nerve?
    "He can't have a gun because he said he was going to shoot his wife in the head.' 'Come on who doesn't say that from time to time?"

    "...would allow police to confiscate a person’s firearms solely on the basis of an accusation made against the gun owner by a family member or a health care professional."
    "Doctor, I want to commit suicide" or "Doctor, what harm can come from letting children play with real guns?' ' My parents let me and I turned out fine!"
    Or, "I'm gonna make them all pay."

    Yep, these are the kinds of things andrew thinks are OK. andrew would be fine letting Adam Lanza, James Holmes, Jared Lee Loughner, and many others just like them have and keep firearms.

    Rank and file members of the NRA (like most Americans) believe guns should be kept out of some people's hands prior to killing someone. The proposed legilsation has a mechanism to return firearms after a certain amount of time has passed or that the charges against the gunowner are not sustained.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:10 pm on Fri, Jul 25, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mike,
    You asked for a link to the NRA confirming their opposition to AB 1014. I have provided a link to the NRA confirming their opposition to AB 1014. If you don't want to read the NRA's letter of opposition why did you ask for it?[rolleyes]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:04 pm on Fri, Jul 25, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Jien,
    I agree with your tutor. The grammatical errors in the NRA's letter are ridiculous.

    The problem with AB 1014 is that it would allow police to confiscate a person’s firearms solely on the basis of an accusation made against the gun owner by a family member or a health professional.

    The victims of this proposed law might have no idea they have even been targeted until police show up at the door, conceivably in the middle of the night (see the “proposed form” of the firearm seizure warrant in the statute). Two weeks after the destruction of your Constitutional rights, then, you will be graciously accorded the right to convince California judges that you’re not guilty.

    In the United States we are supposed to be innocent in proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:49 am on Fri, Jul 25, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1587

    [thumbup]

    I am curious Mr Kaur, what country are you from?

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 10:48 am on Fri, Jul 25, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    Simon didn't print the original post which was much better than this one will be:
    What part of "nah" don't you understand?

    Why should I have to read a statement from the NRA about an assembly bill when I can just read the assembly bill?

    See you're just trying to raise anger and fear in readers who don't know that much about guns and gun regulations. And you're doing a terrible job at it.

    I've been an NRA member for decades and they always go to #10 on any issue involving gun legislation. Unfortunately, they have cried wolf so often, no one even notices if there is really a wolf at all. If you were a member of the NRA and got their magazine every month along with their alerts via email, you'd know the world isn't going to end simply because you can't buy an un-milled AR receiver without the sale being registered.

    If you knew anything about guns and shooting you wouldn't think 700,000,000,000 hollow point .357 Sig rounds bought by Air America was a big deal. If you ever shot a gun or had to train with a gun you would understand why 700 billion HPs over 5 years isn't a big number.

    So instead of looking into the matter (AB 1014(the "AB" stands for "assembly bill" btw)) of what degenerates and losers like wife beaters can't and shouldn't have firearms present, you jump to the bigger "the government is taking away guns of private citizens for no reason..." BS

    Regardless of the hyperbole laced NRA memo states, the NRA believes some classes of citizens have forefitted their right to keep and bear arms. Domestic violence, robbery, mentally unfit, etc., all these are groups who shouldn't have a firearm present. You fail to point out that there is a mechanism to get guns returned and that there is a time limit on how long the government can retain possession.

    So if we follow your thinking and position on the matter, the following groups should be allowed to possess firearms:
    wife and child beaters
    child molestors
    armed robbers (of course, armed)
    murderers
    assassins
    drug dealers
    people who are so violent and bent on revenge that a
    restraining order was required to keep them a safe distance
    from their target
    drug dealers
    kidnappers
    the insane
    You're right...anyone who has a conviction (or a restraining order against them to keep them from killing their victim) or (for the time being) a charge pending in court for violent acts should be able to keep their guns, and if they need a gun or just need more guns, they should be allowed to buy as many as they want, as often as they want. To keep them from exercising their 2nd amendment rights under the Bill of Rights is totally draconian.

     
  • Jien Kaur posted at 9:41 am on Fri, Jul 25, 2014.

    Jien Kaur Posts: 246

    Because I do this for fun and for learning English I go to check the NRA letter for Ab 1014. After reading with my English tutor we both wonder why so many English mistakes in letter or typos as she call them. Even last line of letter say - this why we oppose Ab 1410 - not even correct name of propose law.

    Here propose law we find on internet - http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140AB1014

    Seem a real rules to stop gun possess by criminal or mental unstable person not just because someone not like them. Many family could be much more safer.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 11:07 pm on Thu, Jul 24, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    Simon: Quit dropping my stuff!!

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:30 am on Thu, Jul 24, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mike,
    Will you at any point be reading the NRA's letter of opposition to AB 1014?
    ROFLMAO![lol]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 10:38 am on Thu, Jul 24, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    andrew: maybe some confusion exists because your posts seem to imply you wrote them and if that is so, a "link" to click on should appear in your post.

    Since it is now obvious you just copied these these frames (without bothering to read them at least three times on this page alone!), the reference that follows:

    "*Please be sure to note the NRA-ILA's correct interpretation of AB 1014 as well as the hyperlink at the end of the sentence which reads, "To view our letter of opposition please click here."

    would clearly indicate that if someone clicked "here", they could read the NRA's "letter of opposition...", but you are using "our" to mean you when really, "our" is used to mean the NRA.

    Let me suggest that you read the passages fully and have a careful understanding of them before you steal them and pass them off as your work. Or better yet, just write your own posts. I know, I know. I just couldn't resist that. Nobody wants to read a sentence of 5 words that includes "mushbrain" or "brain dead" or "sofa king idiotic", or your favorite "idiot".

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:51 pm on Wed, Jul 23, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mike,
    You asked for a link to the NRA confirming their opposition to AB 1014. I have provided a link to the NRA confirming their opposition to AB 1014. The word 'here' is hyperlinked in blue, grab a clue! [lol]

    http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2014/6/california-keep-up-the-pressure-in-sacramento-ammunition-registration-bill-and-several-anti-gun-bills-still-in-moving

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:39 pm on Wed, Jul 23, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    nah.... I don't think so.

    When I click on "click here" on your post, still nothing happens.

    Maybe if you didn't copy it and paste it implying you wrote it (when you didn't...you probably aren't even in the NRA) you could put a real link that would go somewhere other than a conspiracy web site.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:29 am on Wed, Jul 23, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "Now I'm looking all over for a place to "click here" but am finding none."

    Try this Mike...scroll about 1/2 way down the NRA link you were provided and stop at the paragraph that reads,

    "Assembly Bill 1014 would allow any person to seek a “gun violence restraining order” against another person. A court would be permitted to issue the order based only on a person’s affidavit that “the named person poses a significant risk of personal injury to himself or herself or others by possessing firearms.” If the court is satisfied that the affidavit is correct, then the court could issue an order prohibiting the named person from possessing firearms. This extremely dangerous bill would essentially allow any person to create a firearms prohibition on any other person. A committee hearing date has not been scheduled at this time. To view our letter of opposition, please click here."
    ROFLMAO![lol]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 3:25 pm on Tue, Jul 22, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    Here we go again....if andrew actually read something before he copied and pasted it here he might learn something. That something might be how this fits into this rant:

    "*Please be sure to note the NRA-ILA's correct interpretation of AB 1014 as well as the hyperlink at the end of the sentence which reads, "To view our letter of opposition please click here."

    Now I'm looking all over for a place to "click here" but am finding none.

    Also in my reading of AB 1014, I don't see the term "draconian" used at all so are you inserting words into the text or otherwise altering so it appears to be the real deal or just another doctored document from on of the many, fine and kooky conspiracy web sites you frequently visit to copy posts from.

    If you're so afraid, why don't you go shopping? Get in there before the ATF and the DHS close everything down and you can still buy some of those 70 billion hollow point rounds the local farm bureau got.

    Oh, wait....there are some groups who can't legally possess guns....violent offenders, felons, crazy people, wife and child beaters, armed robbers, murderers, rapists, child molesters, etc.

    So you are against this bill that would allow the above to walk into any gun store and walk out 5 minutes later with enough guns and ammo (some of that 400 billion h.p. rounds no doubt) to settle the scores they have with society? Teflon coated bullets? 5.7 rounds?
    Com' on...the world's a violent place...hurry before we have to pay a $5 tax on each 22 LR we buy.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:51 pm on Mon, Jul 21, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The official website of the NRA is http://home.nra.org/

    At the top of the official NRA website is a link to the NRA-ILA, the lobbying arm of the National Rifle Association of America.

    The NRA-ILA is NOT a "kooky conspiracy website."

    The NRA-ILA is the lobbying arm of the National Rifle Association of America as clearly stated in their video which is located on the right side of the official NRA-ILA website.

    http://home.nra.org/nraila/video/nra-ila-executive-director-chris-w-cox/list/ila-feature

    As I stated, and have quite easily demonstrated, the NRA is OPPOSED to AB 1014.

    http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2014/6/california-keep-up-the-pressure-in-sacramento-ammunition-registration-bill-and-several-anti-gun-bills-still-in-moving

    *Please be sure to note the NRA-ILA's correct interpretation of AB 1014 as well as the hyperlink at the end of the sentence which reads, "To view our letter of opposition please click here.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 12:16 pm on Mon, Jul 21, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 423

    Mike, I don't think any of us need to look up AB1014. If it's between believing you or Andrew, I'm sure you are the much more reliable source.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 11:06 am on Mon, Jul 21, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    I welcome anyone here who is interested to look up AB 1014 and see who is accurately explaining it.

    And as usual when it comes to firearms and their use, andrew knows nothing and continually posts his stolen words to prove it.

    The NRA is for keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and those who have been involved in violent crime or threatened it as well as individuals who are a danger to themselves.

    Maybe andrew could find a statement from the NRA (that is a sentence or paragraph) that the NRA supports getting and keeping guns in the hands of those convicted of serious crime or those who may be awaiting ajudication of a current case or is mentally ill and a danger to himself or others. Go ahead and find one. It has to be a statement FROM THE NRA, NOT A SENTENCE OR STATEMENT FROM ONE YOUR KOOKY CONSPIRACY WEBSITES. IT HAS TO BE A REAL POSITION FROM THE NRA. IT CAN'T BE LINKED TO ANY OF YOUR KOOKY CONSPIRACY SITES.

    For those of you interested, andrew claimed that the word "freedom" appeared no where in the UN Charter. Maybe he should have looked at the UN Charter before making that claim. It appears several times in the preamble alone. He also has claimed that the Library of Congress is a conspiracy website and was pushing one of those mindless and endless youtubes of the plane striking the Pentagon. Wrong angle, Wrong side of the building, Wrong aircraft, Wrong....... This is a good reason alone to never bother with your links.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 9:55 pm on Sun, Jul 20, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 423

    Thanks, Mike. Interesting thoughts. I know when we do the lockdown drills at school I always feel like we'd be sitting ducks hiding in our classroom, all forty of us hiding under our desks. One thing for sure, I would love to have you as my room neighbor [smile]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:35 am on Sun, Jul 20, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mike,
    Your incorrect interpretation of AB 1014 is comical.
    Why does the NRA oppose it?

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:15 pm on Sat, Jul 19, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1587

    [thumbup]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 7:03 pm on Sat, Jul 19, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    How draconian..... if you commit a violent act you imediately lose your right to have a gun. Once the matter is ajudicated, and you are found innocent, you get your gun back. Or if you smack your wife around. Or are hearing voices telling you to go kill. Or someone has to get a restraining order against you because you are threatening and stalking someone because they disagreed with your purloined copy and paste.

    How draconian indeed!! (hint, no one uses the term "draconian". If you hear it, assume everything after that is all hyperbole or the most extreme possible scenarios is about to be made.

    This is what the NRA has said for years. Violent, nutty, stalkers, and weirdos shouldn't have guns. andrew doesn't even like guns.

    I recently purchased a single shot semi-auto shotgun. It took like a half hour. This really puts Mr. serial killer in a bind if he has a schedule to keep.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 3:57 pm on Sat, Jul 19, 2014.

    the old dog Posts: 580

    Well Barrow, you got me there, of course "The Beam" has a 60% approval rating, what did you expect in a 90% demo state? This girly man state should welcome the executioners from out of state to do the job the wimps in this state won`t or can`t do. Texas, Florida have put 7 murders to eternal sleep so far this year. Perhaps there is a lesson to be learned there. I understand Moonbeam will make an attempt to be like Harry Houdini, his attempt will, if all goes well, he will make the Delta disappear. How do you like those apples?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:10 pm on Fri, Jul 18, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    California's AB 1014 is one of the most draconian and flagrantly unconstitutional bills in our nations history. Guilty until proven innocent is not "reasonable" by any stretch of the imagination.
    [thumbdown]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:53 pm on Fri, Jul 18, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    If Moonbeam can't run a state how do you explain the turnaround we have seen over the last few years. You are aware that we have begun to pay down our debt in this state and are in a far better situation than when Aaaanold was running the show not to mention a 60% approval rating and a 40 point lead against his closest competitor.
    As far as the death penalty I don't think you are correct the courts decided that the random nature of who actually gets executed is cruel and unusual that was the ruling not to stop executions but fix how they are administered so don't know about apples and oranges

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 12:00 pm on Fri, Jul 18, 2014.

    the old dog Posts: 580

    Barrow, your talking apples and oranges when it concerns the death penalty. It remains as to how that gang member involved in the shoot out and murder of that poor woman will be played out. Most likely life in prison, now he can join the rest of the cowardly gang member that are already in prison for life. A girly man judge and jury will make certain that he will spend his life in prison with out the thought of being put to death, since there are so many before him, ooooohhhhh that needle prick might hurt. We all have had blood drawn at one time in our life, at least I have, if done properly the needle cannot be felt.

    Moonbeam and Chief Justice Rose Bird put a stop to the execution when the Beam was in his first go around, as far as Bird is concerned, she was shown the door at the next election. You state Arnold couldn`t run a lemonade stand, from the tunnels and bullet train, Moonbeam can`t run a state.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 10:18 am on Fri, Jul 18, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    Christina:
    School districts that allow teachers to carry guns almost certainly provide some training with them, just for liability's sake. If an event occurs, the school district (and teacher and his/her superiors) are going to be sued by everyone and each other.

    I always suggested that in the event of a active shooter on campus, that we just flush everyone.....everyone out and off campus right now. Yes, a shooter would temporarily have a target rich environment, but I think the confusion he/she experiences would save far more lives. I think this is better than to just wait for hours and hours for law enforcement to clear the building, all the time while staff and students lie bleeding to death.

    As to an armed staff member: would it be better to arm someone who has just been trained using a specific firearm, but doesn't possess the experience of handling multiple firearms over the course of a lifetime so that the feel at ease with a firearm versus arming someone who has been around a lot of firearms their whole life? We should assume they both go through the same training.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:15 am on Fri, Jul 18, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1587

    Thank you Walter, somebody needed to ask. We do get a lot of "posers" going through here. Glad you got your eyes open. But you never did miss much.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:11 am on Fri, Jul 18, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    I agree Walter.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 8:43 pm on Thu, Jul 17, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 423

    Does anyone know if schools that allow teachers to carry guns provide training for them in regards to how to deal with a crisis should one arise on campus? Like specifics of how to handle a gunman, what to do with the kids, your own safety, etc.
    If not, I really think they should. As one who wouldn't ever carry a gun myself, I sure wouldn't mind having a trained colleague to save me and my kids.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:41 pm on Thu, Jul 17, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 1146

    "I’m a law-abiding, God-fearing citizen and proud of it"

    But are you a gun owner, June??

    We get a lot of "posers" coming through here so sorry, I had to ask.

    California's gun laws are very resonable and if the rest of the country adopted gun laws like ours...

    That would be a good thing!

    [beam]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 2:45 pm on Thu, Jul 17, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    For the record the death penalty is not unconstitutional the way it is implemented was found unconstitutional.


    Apparently from Moonbeam's success Arnold couldn't run a lemonade stand.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 11:51 am on Thu, Jul 17, 2014.

    the old dog Posts: 580

    This post might be just a tad off topic, never the less, after what happened at the bank yesterday might make the honest people consider getting a CCW. Considering that a bank can at anytime be robbed and happen in the bat of an eye. I`ll let the school subject slide when it comes to weapons. However for the honest person who`s life is in doubt could and should give serious consideration of using his or her weapon. A shoot or be shot decision can happen in a matter of seconds and a decision to use your weapon and live or not having one and perhaps die as a result of a bank robber/killers making a get a way. Something to give serious thought to, considering the robbers weapons were not registered with the Justice Department, along with the robbers willing to kill anyone that got in their way. The lone killer will no doubt have fleet of lawyers come to his defense, along with a judge, and a reason that Arnold called Kalifornia the " girly man state". Now the Death Penalty is unconstitutional in Kalifornia, thanks to Moonbeam and Rose Bird, at least 30 years ago, since Michael Morals still sits on death row for the murder of Terry Winchell. Sorry [offtopic]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:37 am on Thu, Jul 17, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    It would be interesting to see how many of those schools actually approved. I know that the University of Utah had a ban on guns on campus until the feds stepped in and with threat of funding denial forced the school to change their policy. I would think that most schools wouldn't want a bunch of people walking around with concealed weapons. How old do you have to be to get a concealed weapon? Could high school students, some are over 18, be allowed to carry concealed weapons in school? That's sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

     

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