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Posted: Thursday, December 12, 2013 12:00 am

A recent letter to the editor submitted by John Lucas, which by its content obviously demonstrates his love of socialism over capitalism, quoted Ronald Reagan: “Unemployment insurance is prepaid vacation for freeloaders.” He then went on to say, “Meanwhile, in Madera, the unemployment rate is near 14 percent” (distorting reality by implying Reagan was a heartless person).

I think it fair then to use other Reagan quotes to demonstrate how biased and misguided Mr. Lucas was:

  • “If we love our country, we should also love our countryman.”
  • “We should measure welfare’s success by how many people leave welfare, not by how many are added” (unlike the cruelty of Obama).
  • “Government’s first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives” (March 1981).
  • “Protecting the rights of even the least individual among us is basically the main reason government exists” (1969).
  • “We can’t help everyone, but everyone can help someone.”

Lastly, in honor of Mr. Lucas, “The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.”

It is predictable that a person like Mr. Lucas who trashes people like Romney, who pays millions in taxes and even more to charity, would also intentionally distort and twist the character of one of the most compassionate American presidents in history. Helping the economy to grow — thus increasing tax revenue while at the same time reducing the burden of high tax rates — is an example of compassion. It takes money to help others. Reagan had compassion and offered real economic solutions to “most all Americans.”

It is ironic that people who despise conservatives for “perceived” wrongdoings tend to support policies that enslave populations to the handcuffs of centralized federal government’s strong-arm control. Forcing people to live in squalor by implementing liberal policies is not compassionate.

Reagan knew how to help the poor and middle class and succeeded. People embracing the policies Mr. Lucas appreciates results in these same people suffering the unintended consequences of fools.

Darrell Baumbach

Acampo

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51 comments:

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:54 pm on Wed, Dec 18, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Adhering to our enemies and giving them aid and comfort is TREASON as defined by Article III section 3 of our Constitution.
    [sleeping]

    Jabhat al-Nusra was declared a terrorist group by the US State Department last December.
    [sleeping]

    http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/12/201759.htm

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 2:53 pm on Wed, Dec 18, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1535

    Andrew I realize you never mentioned I made no mention of Article III section 3. I only brought it up to show you how ridiculous your charge of treason was.

    As far as funding Syrian rebels those funds were appropriated by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Senators Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) and Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) co-sponsored the bill and the committee passed it on a bi-partisans basis with 15-3 vote but like I said keep trying

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/congress/item/15515-rand-paul-senate-is-arming-al-qaeda-and-rushing-to-war-in-syria

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:54 am on Wed, Dec 18, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I said, "Inequality is an inevitable consequence of living in a society with people of different aptitudes and ambitions."

    Was it not perfectly clear that individual lacks ambition? [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:49 am on Wed, Dec 18, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I made no mention of Article III section 3 but since you brought it up perhaps you could explain how arming and funding Al Queda in Syria isn't adhering to our enemies and giving them aid and comfort.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:41 am on Wed, Dec 18, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    What does the first sentence of paragraph 3 say Ms. Bobin?
    [sleeping]

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 8:35 am on Wed, Dec 18, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 549

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2013/07/great-gatsby-curve

    "The argument over the Great Gatsby curve is an argument about whether America's economy is fair. With his Germany/Greece and Mississippi/Connecticut analogy, Mr Mankiw has stumbled on a very convincing point: whether you are rich or poor in Europe or America depends to a great extent not on your own qualities or efforts, but on where you happen to be born. America is not a meritocracy, Mr Mankiw is saying; not only do those born rich tend to stay rich and vice versa, just being born in one state or another makes a huge difference to your lifelong earnings. Amazingly, he seems completely unaware that this is the case he's just made."

    And, really, THAT is how you back up your claim? the surf bum on welfare?

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 8:18 am on Wed, Dec 18, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 549

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_AP_ECONOMY_SURVEY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

    The growing gap between the richest Americans and everyone else isn't bad just for individuals.

    It's hurting the U.S. economy.

    So says a majority of more than three dozen economists surveyed last week by The Associated Press. Their concerns tap into a debate that's intensified as middle-class pay has stagnated while wealthier households have thrived.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:24 am on Wed, Dec 18, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich wrote: "Better yet, why don't you copy and paste the summary for us."

    Here's the summary from your link. Still don't see the number 106.2% of COLLECTED TAXES.

    "Summary
    The increase in the nation’s economic activity in 2010
    affected households’ income, federal tax liabilities, and
    federal tax rates. In this report, the Congressional Budget
    Office (CBO) presents its estimates of the distribution of
    household income and federal taxes in 2010, and it com-
    pares those estimates with estimates for the preceding
    three decades. The report also discusses the effects of
    changes in tax rules on the distribution of federal taxes in 2013."

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:01 am on Wed, Dec 18, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baxxter wrote: "H&R Block "licensed"preparers are schooled on how to use TurboTax style pogram, a program anyone can use. Lazy people prefer to pay someone to do it for them."

    I have no idea what you are trying to say here, Mr. Baxxter. When I was a tax preparer I took my training at Delta College and that was about 25 years ago in the pre-Turbo Tax era. We actually filled in forms by hand. And I had my own tax preparation business that I ran out of my home. If you like, you can check with the city to be sure I had the proper permits and business licenses in case you think I'm lying like you do.

    If your comment was meant to be a personal attack to mock the fact that I KNOW how to prepare taxes and which credits are refundable YOU FAILED MISERABLY AGAIN.

    Poor soul. Rather than face the truth that, despite Andrew's BS, you two have failed to make sense of your argument, you try to make fun of your opponent.

    Sad.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 12:47 pm on Tue, Dec 17, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1535

    Try to relax Andrew Article III section 3 of the constitution states,
    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
    Mr. Liebich I dont think postponing some aspects of ACA is going to get Obama charged with treason but hey keep looking if you find another reason to impeach I'll be glad to check it out

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:10 am on Tue, Dec 17, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1850

    H&R Block "licensed"preparers are schooled on how to use TurboTax style pogram, a program anyone can use. Lazy people prefer to pay someone to do it for them.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:13 am on Tue, Dec 17, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Mr Baxter said

    Since recorded history there have been wealthy, poor and middle class

    This shows an ignorance of history. The emergence of a strong vibrant middle class did not emerge until after the Great Depression. This strong middle class came here and to most of Europe, Australia, Japan etc. It was brought about by Liberal ideas running these countries. Since Reagan ideas you love have come back and the middle class is being hallowed out and disappearing. It is not an accident.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:53 pm on Mon, Dec 16, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    What is it that moves you to argue so vigorously in the face of reality?

    You have already been provided a link to the CBO report which substantiates what Mr. Baxter said. Should we copy and paste the reports summary for you?

    Better yet, why don't you copy and paste the summary for us. [lol]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:41 pm on Mon, Dec 16, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Most notably the President has changed and rewritten, at will, his landmark legislative achievement, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. The President’s actions are unconstitutional pursuant to Article I, Section 1 and Article II Section, 3.

    Article I, Section 1 states that only Congress has the authority to legislate, and Article II, Section 3 states that the President must faithfully execute the laws, which have been passed by Congress.

    By rewriting the Patient Care Act and refusing to enforce specific details of the law, President Obama has acted outside of his constitutionally delegated authority.
    [sleeping]

    P.S.
    At this moment, 29 members of Congress have co-sponsored Rice’s Resolution: Bachmann (MN), Bridenstine (OK), Chaffetz (UT), J. Duncan (SC), DeSantis (FL), Franks (AZ), Gowdy (SC), Harris (MD), Lamborn (CO), LaMalfa (CA), Marino (PA), McClintock (CA), Meadows (NC), Nunnelee (MS), Pittenger (NC), Posey (FL), Tom Price (GA), Ribble (WI), Salmon (AZ), Sanford (SC), Schweikert (AZ), Stewart (UT), Stockman (TX), Walberg (MI), Weber (TX), Wenstrup (OH), Williams (TX), Joe Wilson (SC), and Yoho (FL)
    [sleeping]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 10:39 am on Mon, Dec 16, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1850

    Lots of people born rich figure out how to go broke. Lots of broke people figure out how to get rich. Life is all about choices.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:19 am on Mon, Dec 16, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Inequality is an inevitable consequence of living in a society with people of different aptitudes and ambitions.

    http://youtu.be/bP_izYhdehY [sleeping]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:58 am on Mon, Dec 16, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1535

    I didn’t say plagiarizing the article made it so or not I just said it made you a plagiarist. For the life of me I don't know why you and Andrew (nice company your keeping) can't simply state what crime you would charge Obama with if you could be a little more specific, also I notice that when you are losing an argument you always go to your hogwash statement it is a sure sign you are floundering.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:57 am on Mon, Dec 16, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Joe Baxxter wrote: "John Lucas, like Ms. Bobbin, has no clue about refundable credits. It is very possible to get an IRS refund for far more than you paid in and in some cases obtain a substantial refunds even though you paid in ZERO."

    Wrong again, Mr. Baxxter. I was a licensed Tax Preparer for at least 10 years and I know the difference between a "refundable tax credit" and a "non-refundable tax credit."

    The bottom line is that YOU claimed that the top 40% has paid 106.2% of COLLECTED TAXES, not NET taxes.

    Just keep trying to cover your senseless argument. It IS getting quite creative.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:22 am on Mon, Dec 16, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1850

    Hey John, why don't you let us in on what your idea of a "reasonable tax" for the very wealthy. 50%, 60%, 80% or should they be taxed at 100%. I have an idea, why don't ALL earners in America pay 100% of their earnings into a pool and let the government dole it out equally to all. Would you be happy then? Since recorded history there have been wealthy, poor and middle class. Were the Republicans at fault for the poor in ancient times? Why do you insist on using Romney as an example? If you think there aren't wealthy liberals who pay less in taxes than he does in taxes, you are in deep denial.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 8:01 am on Mon, Dec 16, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 549

    http://www.bloomberg.com/infographics/2013-10-08/the-great-gatsby-curve-explained.html

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2013/07/great-gatsby-curve
    "The argument over the Great Gatsby curve is an argument about whether America's economy is fair... whether you are rich or poor in Europe or America depends to a great extent not on your own qualities or efforts, but on where you happen to be born. America is not a meritocracy... not only do those born rich tend to stay rich and vice versa, just being born in one state or another makes a huge difference to your lifelong earnings."

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:45 am on Mon, Dec 16, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I'll ask again...Please define "fair share" numerically.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:48 pm on Sun, Dec 15, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1850

    Joihn Lucas, like Ms. Bobbin, has no clue about refundable credits. It is very possible to get an IRS refund for far more than you paid in and in some cases obtain a substantial refunds even though you paid in ZERO. This is classified as a "negative tax" situation. Who makes up the differences in these cases? Negative tax payments are offset by the taxpayers who make up this 6.2%. Hope this doesn't short circuit liberal brains.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:22 pm on Sun, Dec 15, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1850

    "INFRACTIONS", What a load of liberal hogwash,. Obama VIOLATED the Constitution, the very document he swore to obey and uphold. What is it going to take before you liberal lemmings see the LIAR in chief as an inept & clueless self centered moron? Smiles and BS don't make a president and Obama couldn't run an all male bath house in Chicago with any degree of ability. Well, maybe so, I am sure he knows a lot more about them than governing a country.
    By the way ERIC, cutting and pasting facts doesn't make them not so, Read'em and weep.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:11 pm on Sun, Dec 15, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1850

    Witty? Entertaining? Perhaps, but pure nonsense.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:51 am on Sun, Dec 15, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1535

    You do a good job of stating what the Constitution says and you repeatedly claim that the President has committed treason bribery or some crime but you fail to link the two. Can you explain exactly how the President committed treason because it's going to take more than an opinion to impeach. If you were bringing charges against Obama your theories are going to need some evidence.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:20 am on Sun, Dec 15, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    John, there is one truth you will not address. A person on minimum wage who pays no income taxes pays a higher percentage of his income to the government that a man like Mitt Romney. As I have said before people who make $80,000 to a $106,000 as a salary are even most messed over. They pay at least 50% of their money to the government.

    The best poverty program ever invented was a strong vibrant middle class where anyone who works hard is given the opportunity to join. Those days are fast coming to an end. The reason is simple. The uber wealthy in this county have hired an army of lobbyists, bought politicians and media(fox news, town hall , rush etc) and have created a tax code that lets them pay less in percentage to the government that a minimum wage worker. It should be obvious that the economy is an engine that requires money to deep in condition to continue making money. When we let the infrastructure go it will lose its ability to create new wealth.

    The uber wealthy like Mr Romney thru loopholes and preferred treatment in our tax code such as a lower capital gains rate and the carried interest nonsense have managed to vastly reduce their tax burden and who do you think they shift it to? The poor? No the middle class gets hammered and not just with higher income taxes. The cost of sending their kids to college skyrockets, local entities that used to get money from the feds now have to raise local taxes and fees.

    When a very small group of people make huge amounts of money and do not have to pay a reasonable tax on it like everyone else the situation we are in is the result. The economy is an engine that require maintenance. The poor will never have the money to pay for that maintenance. When the super wealthy have exempted themselves from that burden it falls to the middle class. The middle class is dying from trying to carry an impossible burden.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:08 pm on Sat, Dec 14, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    To quote Mr. Dockter - "Chuckle."

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 7:12 pm on Fri, Dec 13, 2013.

    John Kindseth Posts: 243

    John Lucas: I did not know you were the repository of all things factual and container of truth. How can I trust any of the news sources unless they are endorsed by you or Joanne ?

    I need to know where I can go to find truth. It seems very elusive. I Need to know where you people go to find this absolute truth. Please help me.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:06 pm on Fri, Dec 13, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Those who argue that this President's misconduct has not risen to the Constitutional level of "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors," are delusional.

    Article 2, Sec. 3 of the Constitution charges the President “shall take care that the Laws be faithfully executed.” It doesn’t say that he “should” execute the laws of the United States; it uses the imperative “shall.”

    Nor does the Constitution say that the President can pick and choose to enforce some of the laws, or just the ones he likes.

    Nor does the Constitution give the President the authority to create new laws. Article 1, Sec. 1 is clear on that point; “All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.”

    Obama is guilty of treason as defined the Constitution of the United States of America Mr. Barrow.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Ted Lauchland posted at 3:52 pm on Fri, Dec 13, 2013.

    Ted Lauchland Posts: 258

    Good letter Mr. Baumbach. I am a Reagon Era fan as well. Only one thing - had I disagreed with any of what you stated I would not be a fool . We can win the battle but we could lose the war. Without respect for the other side there is no peace. Socialism and Free Enterprise or Capitalism as you state are simply two different perspectives. What is at risk is our freedoms. Freedom of thought, freedom financially , and freedom to become a better person. Oppression can hit hard.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:17 pm on Fri, Dec 13, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    What is it that moves you to argue so vigorously in the face of reality?

    The "FACTS" are contained in the CBO report you have already been provided a link to.
    [sleeping]

    http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/44604-AverageTaxRates.pdf


     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:44 pm on Fri, Dec 13, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    John when you come up with some facts let us know. Your article is so stupid on the face of it no reasonably intelligent person could believe. At least we know where Mr Baxter got his the rich pay 106% of all taxes figure.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:12 pm on Fri, Dec 13, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The Supreme Court once ruled slavery was legal as well. [sleeping]

    Since Congress didn’t schedule the individual mandate to take effect until 2014 (conveniently after the 2012 Presidential election) the Court can’t rule on the individual mandate until after someone refuses to purchase health insurance, pays the tax and then sues.

    At this point that person can bring a suit challenging the Constitutionality of the mandate and the government will have to prove that it has the power to enact such a tax.

    The individual mandate itself is another example of Obama's contempt for the citizens of this nation. During the long fight over passage, critics of the legislation consistently pointed out that the individual mandate was a tax.

    But the President and his supporters in Congress repeatedly denied that it was a tax. To this day, even after instructing his Solicitor General to argue before the Court that the mandate was a tax and the Court accepting that argument, President Obama continues to insist it is not a tax.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:22 am on Fri, Dec 13, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1535

    I'll tell you what I told Joe what you have is a list of controversial actions not crimes, treason or bribery. Impeachment is brought on by the house which has been held by the right for years now, if they had any reason to impeach I think they would. There is a reason that the bar for impeachment is set high for the President. It is to protect the office of President of the United States from wingnut conspiracy theorist.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:58 am on Fri, Dec 13, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1535

    Nice cut and paste Joe I see you don't have any original thoughts. For starters the Supreme Court Ruled on ACA and found it constitutional

    Even Issa is not going to get involved in Joe Sestak deal and he has been looking for a way to impeach Obama for years.

    The GM bailout was initiated by Bush

    The recess appointments have gone to the Supreme Court but even if Obama loses nobody has suggested that what he did was illegal.

    Here is what Romney said about Obama's actions in Libya "I can assure you if I'm president, the Iranians will have no question but that I will be willing to take military action if necessary to prevent them from becoming a nuclear threat to the world. I don't believe at this stage, therefore, if I'm president that we need to have a war powers approval or special authorization for military force. The president has that capacity now."

    What you have offered are some nice examples of controversial issues but what crime would you charge him with.

    I am including the site that you stole your material from so others will know you that you plagiarized you posting.

    http://blogsensebybarb.wordpress.com/2012/03/24/

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 10:25 am on Fri, Dec 13, 2013.

    John Kindseth Posts: 243

    I know I am holding my blowdrier into the wind, so don't let facts mess up your leftie tirades nor facts cloud your beliefs;:

    http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/mikeshedlock/2013/12/13/the-rich-dont-pay-most-of-the-taxes-they-pay-all-of-them-n1762114

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:42 am on Fri, Dec 13, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1850

    Here is a half dozen for starters:
    UNCONSTITUTIONAL ACTIONS.
    1. Made Recess Appointments- Article II Sec. 2 (the recess can only be a maximum 3 day recess as prescribed under Article 1 Sec. 5, can't he wait!)
    2. Declared War on Lybia w/o Congressional approval- provision for 60 days if an attack on US land or forces. Article I Sec. 8
    3. Overthrew State governments with Stimulus Package-1607(b): "If funds provided to any State in any division of this Act are not accepted for use by the Governor, then acceptance by the State legislature, by means of the adoption of a concurrent resolution, shall be sufficient to provide funding to such State.”
    5. GM Bailout- only congress has any authority with money.
    6. Matheson Affair- Bribery w/judge appointments Article II Sec. 4 states is worthy of impeachment.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:44 am on Fri, Dec 13, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1535

    I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court upheld Obamacare finding it not only legal but constitutional. Still waiting for that long list of crimes Obama commited.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:58 am on Fri, Dec 13, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Mr Reagan might have been a nice man and though he was a great politician(so was Hitler) he certainly was one of the worst Presidents this country has ever had. His "Supply Side economics" has led to the hallowing out of the middle class, the massive income inequality that now exists and will eventually turn us into a third world country.

    Mr. Baumbach's pitiful bromides aside the damage caused by the idea that the rich should pay less than their fair share of taxes has led to the funneling of most of the income to the super wealthy in this country. All of us pay taxes of all kinds. The right wing ideologues always spend their time talking about income taxes as if these were the only taxes we all pay. When you consider all taxes the uber wealthy pay less in percentage than anyone who works for a living. This is a fact. An economy requires a certain amount of money sent back to keep it in shape so it can produce income in the future. Through lobbyists and bought off politicians the uber wealthy have managed to write a tax code that allows them to pay less of their income in taxes than anyone else. This is the reason for the income inequality. I love it when our Conservative friends complain about "wealth distribution". This is wealth distribution at its finest and the beauty of it they do it right under everyone's noses and very very few are aware of it. You have to give them credit for chutzpah when they then go out and complain that they are overtaxed and those who work for minimum wage should get some skin in the game. Amazing!!!

    Sorry Darrell that I cannot get misty eyed over a man who single handily was able to convince a majority of Americans to go along with him on a mission to destroy the middle class.

    BTW, when you write a letter in response to someone else's you might try answering some of the arguments made instead of repeating a tired litany of talking points. Also please keep writing letters. You like Joe Baxter are great examples why this country needs to turn to the Liberals again to rebuild our economy and try to solve its pressing problems.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:38 pm on Thu, Dec 12, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1530

    Baumbach.
    Disparaging and slandering in the public medium without an editorial flinch.
    Did someone say they missed this?
    Class dismissed

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:29 pm on Thu, Dec 12, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1530

    You think Joe knows the difference between an infraction by Obama and the felonies of Regan. Would Issa let a true opportunity pass? I mean a real crime let alone several?

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:30 pm on Thu, Dec 12, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1132

    “If we love our country, we should also love our countryman.”

    Good quote.

    Almost biblical.

    But unfortunately, seldom practiced by the author's side of the isle.

    Regarding the other stuff he wrote...

    Folks, please imagine that I responded with mocking comments that were witty and entertaining but also somewhat inapropriate.

    And we'll leave it at that.

    Merry Christmas Darrell

    [beam]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:36 pm on Thu, Dec 12, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Ed. Read a bit about the fall of the Soviet Union. Had absolutely NOTHING to do with Ronnie. Just his good fortune that it happened on his watch.

    Prime reason YOU need to do more reading on economics and the politics of the Eastern Bloc.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:33 pm on Thu, Dec 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    How long would you like the list to be? I'll need a number. Let's start with 6 and you let me know how many more I should add OK.

    Aug. 14, 2013: The Obama administration delayed the provision in ObamaCare to cap out-of-pocket health care costs, picking and choosing parts of the law to enforce, which is to exceed its authority.

    July 17, 2013: The 4th Circuit Court of Appeals joined the federal appeals courts in D.C. and Philadelphia in ruling President Obama’s National Labor Relations Board recess appointments — who by law must be approved by Congress — were unconstitutional. Thus far, the president has ignored the ruling.

    July 1, 2013: The Obama administration unilaterally decided to delay the employer mandate provision of ObamaCare for a year, which is to provide information to the feds about the extent of an applicant’s insurance. Never mind that the law states the mandate must go into effect on Jan. 1, 2014 — they are now relying on the “honor system” from applicants to determine if they are qualified for subsidies.

    June 25, 2013: The Supreme Court ruled in Shelby County v. Eric Holder that Section 4 of the Voting Rights Act is “unconstitutional” and that “the formula can no longer be used as a basis for subjecting jurisdiction to preclearance.” Instead of complying with the ruling, Holder filed suit to order Texas to submit to preclearance, in defiance of Congress’ authority to legislate and the Supreme Court’s authority to rule on the constitutionality of the law.

    June 15, 2012: The Obama administration announced it will stop deporting illegal immigrants under the age of 30 in a “deferred action” policy to circumvent immigration laws. This comes after Congress rejected a similar measure about a year ago. Since then, more than 500,000 illegals have received the deferment and only 20,000 have been rejected. As for the law-abiding applicants who have been waiting in line, well, that’s Obama’s idea of “lawfulness.”

    May 20, 2013: A Washington Post article revealed that Fox News reporter James Rosen was investigated by the DOJ, which subpoenaed his phone records and emails in direct contravention of the First Amendment under the pretense of a leak investigation.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:32 pm on Thu, Dec 12, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    And "TREES cause more pollution than automobiles."

    "A tree, is a tree. How many more do you have to look at."

    "Facts are stupid things."

    "You know, if I listened to him long enough, I would be convinced that we're in an economic downturn, and that people are homeless, and people are going without food and medical attention, and that we've got to do something about the unemployed." - regarding Dukakis.

    "On 8/24/85 President Reagan tells an interviewer that the "reformist administration" of South African president P.W. Botha has made significant progress on the racial front. "They have eliminated the segregation that we once had in our own country," says the President, "the type of thing where hotels and restaurants and places of entertainment and so forth were segregated - that has all been eliminated." (In response to questions a few days later as to whether President Reagan actually thought racial segregation has been eliminated in South Africa, Larry Speakes said "Not totally, no."

    Good old Ronnie - NEVER the brightest bulb in the box. Didn't have to be - acting was his profession and apparently if you handed him a chimp he was really good at it.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:23 pm on Thu, Dec 12, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "What a laugh, Reagan broke onlu 2 federal laws? Want a list of all the federal laws AND Constitutional laws Obama has manage to break? Just ask."

    Those are the only ones that managed to reach the scandal level that have left a big black mark on his administration. But of course, no one could convict him of knowing about the goings on since, with Alzheimer's Disease, he could very convincingly lie about knowing ANYTHING that happened during his administration.

    Seems Mommy only woke him up when he needed to say a few lines and make a few quips, then it was back to beddy-bye time for Ronnie.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 1:23 pm on Thu, Dec 12, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 548

    President Reagan was the best a polking fun, mainly at himself. As far as the deficit being raised, true. A wonderful way to stop the cold war without firing a shot, just outspend the Ruskies.

    Joe: Perhaps President Reagan broke a rule or two, if you were to line up Barrys list of broken laws, you don`t have the time or space to name them all. Lets start with Barrycare, oppppppppsssssss I mean Obamacare, a loosing proposition.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 12:35 pm on Thu, Dec 12, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1535

    yes I would like to see that list

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:15 am on Thu, Dec 12, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1535

    Here is another great quote from your champion of the poor

    "the homeless make it their own choice for staying out there."

    Ronnie

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 10:43 am on Thu, Dec 12, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1850

    What a laugh, Reagan broke onlu 2 federal laws? Want a list of all the federal laws AND Constitutional laws Obama has manage to break? Just ask.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:12 am on Thu, Dec 12, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Looks like you poked the bear when he was sleeping, Mr. Lucas!

    Seems many have a short memory when it comes to the 1980's. Not only did we have to endure high-waisted jeans and foofed-out hairdo's, but also the worst decade economically under the reign of Ronald Reagan.

    For some reason, Reagan has become some kind of folk hero among conservatives who don't recall that he raised various taxes at least 5 times and increased the deficit from 994 billion to 2.7 trillion.

    He also was at the head of one of the biggest scandals of the late 20th century - Iran Contra, breaking at least two federal laws by selling arms to Iran and using the proceeds to fund the Contras in Nicaragua in violation of the Boland Amendment.

    AND he gave amnesty to illegals - something that seems to have been OK when done by Reagan, but is anathema if Obama even hints at such a policy decision.

     

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