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Posted: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:28 am, Wed Oct 31, 2012.

Alert! Wake up, America! God is angry with America. Our leaders say "God bless America," but they don't mean it.

Our leaders have taken Bibles, prayer, the Commandments and crosses out of schools. They have taken Christ out of Christmas and Easter, killed over 50 million babies and anything that is good and righteous. The Democrats' "Main Stream" is to do away with anything religious.

Our trouble began about 50 years ago when the ACLU and Supreme Court made these things legal. We're going down fast — like Babylon and Rome in the Bible. We are now in the quicksand of disaster. This could be our last chance and warning. We are under the judgment of God.

James DeBoard

Lodi

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39 comments:

  • dave howard posted at 9:03 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    dave howard Posts: 25

    John you have to stop watching MSMBC-ABC- CBS
    start watching FOX that way you can here both sides.
    left and right.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:14 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Lucas stated...Really? When are you going to start?

    Mr Lucas, that you ask the question means you are not interested in truth.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:21 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Dave you gotta quit listening to that right wing nonsense. You are getting a little out there.

     
  • dave howard posted at 6:06 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    dave howard Posts: 25

    Your eather an American or a Democrat
    so VOTE FREEDOM FIRST
    If your an American you know whats best
    for you and your loved ones you don't
    need anyone telling you how to live and
    what to eat.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:04 am on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Darrell said:

    Mr lucas... I do not seek to have you agree with me ..my only goal is to seek truth.

    Really? When are you going to start?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:18 am on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Just think Darrell someday you might say something I agree with, Naw, I doubt it.

    Mr lucas... I do not seek to have you agree with me ..my only goal is to seek truth. Since that is my goal, it is not likely you will ever agree with what I say.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:04 pm on Thu, Nov 1, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    why? He said something that was true and funny. You rarely say anything true and never anything intentionally funny.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:23 pm on Thu, Nov 1, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Maybe you can give thumbs up to me, after all, I never have referred to you as a crack pot as Mr Houdack has.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:23 am on Thu, Nov 1, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [thumbup] [beam]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:10 am on Thu, Nov 1, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    You really should start reading some reality-based material instead of the Grimm's Fairy Tales style publications you are used to.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:08 am on Thu, Nov 1, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Magical." I guess magical is better than secret as far as you are concerned since you normally deal in things outside of reality.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:29 pm on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Houdack stated... Why is it when we are told "God' is angry it is always some crackpot doing the talking?

    Evidently, based on this post and many in the past, Mr Houdack thinks anyone who believes there is a god is a crackpot...

    1. Rick Houdack posted at 6:49 pm on Mon, Dec 12, 2011.Fortunately, all but the most regressive Americans have abandoned the "Judeo-Christian values" nonsense that Dockter longs for...

    2. Rick Houdack posted at 6:39 pm on Thu, Jul 26, 2012... If people don't like their beliefs laughed at, they shouldn't believe such funny things. Any adult of full human intelligence who reads or is told the Mormon nonsense and who learns its tormented bloody history of lies and murder and still chooses to admit believing it is, to put it charitably, demonstrably gullible.

    3. posted at 5:22 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012... Mormonism is the 18th century equivalent of Scientology, invented out of whole cloth by a convicted fraud and con man.

    4. Rick Houdack posted at 10:01 am on Sun, Aug 19, 2012... the fact remains there is no evidence any bible stories are true and a lot of evidence they are fantasy. Happy delusions to you.

    5. posted at 5:11 am on Sat, Oct 29, 2011...Jews don't believe in the submission to Christ either, Mr. Amber. Neither do Sikhs nor Hindus.
    In fact, it is a minority of the world' population that has fallen for your particular brand of stone age myth. Have you considered changing your views?

     
  • Rick Houdack posted at 8:01 pm on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    Rick Houdack Posts: 170

    Why is it when we are told "God' is angry it is always some crackpot doing the talking?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:55 pm on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Saying the following is irrational:

    It must be hard for you John to be faced with the reality that Bush was a better president than Obama or Clinton.
    Bush was more honest and sincere than either of your idols.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:25 pm on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    More comics Ms Bobin. you just can't provide enough...


    Your claim that I believe all liberals are faithless is simply a calculated lie..
    .
    I have stated many times that liberals are mainly secular as evidenced by atheists calling the democratic party their political home...

    I also have stated many times, that atheists are people of strong faith.. after all, it takes faith to think thereis no god since it cannot be proven.
    [beam]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:48 pm on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    To add to the contention of the Obama religious mystery...

    1. Obama calls his mother "an agnostic”..
    2. Obama's father, raised Muslim in Kenya
    3. In reading a publication that supports Obama, I noticed a particular article that stated...
    I'm betting he still holds onto the views of his mother. IMO he's much too intellectual to really believe in the Bible or that some mystery man named Jesus, who is half God, came here to save us by getting killed.

    IMO he became Christian when he came to Chicago because it was the only way to advance in politics. Trinity Church provided the backdrop to get his name out there and to get to know powerful figures. Not saying that it's a bad thing, he had to do what he had to do to if he wanted to change things. You can't get ahead in American politics if you aren't Christian. Just wondering what people here think.
    1. Obama calls his mother "an agnostic”..
    2. Obama's father, raised Muslim in Kenya
    3. In reading a publication that supports Obama, I noticed a particular article that stated...
    I'm betting he still holds onto the views of his mother. IMO he's much too intellectual to really believe in the Bible or that some mystery man named Jesus, who is half God, came here to save us by getting killed.

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:32 pm on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Thanks for sharing Mr Lucas... I am curious exactly what you perceive I meant in your own words...Im looking forward to hearing just what is irrational...should be fun as your perception of reality is always entertaining.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:11 pm on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr. Baumbach wrote on October 20th at 10:34AM:

    "No, the Muslim faith and principles that Obama and most of his family live by and/or appreciate is what everyone should respect and focus on."

    Try wiggling all you like, Mr. Baumbach. I know you will try to parse the phrase, "that Obama and most of his family live by," but you CLEARLY stated that he practices the Muslim faith.


    Wiggle out of what Ms Bobin...thank you for posting what I posted, it confirms that I stated Obama appreciates the Muslim faith... not that he is Muslim...which is why I stated and/or... once again, you are doing the Tina Fey comedy show...

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:01 pm on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [sleeping]... Mitt Romney isn't pretending he is mormon.

    p.s. Mormons believe their undergarments are magical not "secret" [lol]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:44 pm on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Meanwhile, President Obama is still wearing a ring that has the phrase “there is no god except Allah” inscribed on it. [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:41 pm on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Actually, Mr. Baumbach, it sounds like you are talking about Willard Mitt Romney's change of "core principles."

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "To “claim” to be a Christian suddenly one year before running for a political office (Senate) is suspect."

    Really?? Then why have you been making claims about his LONG standing (20 years?) association with Rev. Jeremiah Wright? What was he doing in a Christian church for twenty years if not practicing some form of Christianity?

    You need to get your stories right because you are reaching for straws in your desperation to fling as much mud as possible.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:37 pm on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich wrote: "For goodness sake Ms. Bobin President Obama wears a wedding ring that has the phrase “there is no god except Allah” inscribed on it."

    If you are so concerned about Obama being a Muslim, I am surprised that you do not have equal criticism for Willard Mitt Romney's religion. Many (myself NOT included), believe Mormonism is a cult. Many evangelicals will not vote for him because of his religion. They claim Mormons perform many secret rituals, where secret undergarments, and are not Christians at all.

    You are always preaching that Democrats and Republicans are all alike, but I have never read a single word from you that is anti-Romney, which easily leads me to believe that you have "other issues" with Obama (besides your claim that he is a Muslim).

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:49 am on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach believes that ALL liberals are faithless - and if they claim to be Christian or religious, he calls them liars.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:48 am on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "4 Pinocchios for Ms Bobin... I have no clue if Obama is a Muslim. Have said it repeatedly yet Ms Bobin wants to distort what I said."

    That is the problem with people who change their story continuously - they cannot remember what they stated on previous occasions. Perhaps you should concentrate on creating a "data base" with your OWN comments for reference.

    Mr. Baumbach wrote on October 20th at 10:34AM:

    "No, the Muslim faith and principles that Obama and most of his family live by and/or appreciate is what everyone should respect and focus on."

    Try wiggling all you like, Mr. Baumbach. I know you will try to parse the phrase, "that Obama and most of his family live by," but you CLEARLY stated that he practices the Muslim faith.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:44 am on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Goethel stated...How would you know what is inscribed inside his wedding ring....have you seen it for yourself or are you just parroting some talking point from Fox or Beck?

    Excellent question. Evidence should be revealed before making a statement of fact... In fac, it was not Fox News that made the statement...

    Jerome R. Corsi, a Harvard Ph.D., is a WND senior staff reporter, came up with the observation...he wrote....

    As a student at Harvard Law School, then-bachelor Barack Obama’s practice of wearing a gold band on his wedding-ring finger puzzled his colleagues.
    Now, newly published photographs of Obama from the 1980s show that the ring Obama wore on his wedding-ring finger as an unmarried student is the same ring Michelle Robinson put on his finger at the couple’s wedding ceremony in 1992.
    Moreover, according to Arabic-language and Islamic experts, the ring Obama has been wearing for more than 30 years is adorned with the first part of the Islamic declaration of faith, the Shahada: “There is no god except Allah.”

    Inscription on Obama's ring
    The Shahada is the first of the Five Pillars of Islam, expressing the two fundamental beliefs that make a person a Muslim: There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is Allah’s prophet.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:28 am on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    CONTINUED...re Mr. Goethel

    Mr Obama first had a core principle that marriage was between a man and woman... suddenly, as if he took a magic pill, his core principle changed and was reversed.

    His religion? I could care less as I am not religious myself. For me, it is a matter of trusting something that guides this man's very existence. Therefore, his religion itself is not the issue for me. His ability to change core principles are material to me. To “claim” to be a Christian suddenly one year before running for a political office (Senate) is suspect.

    A man whose family line is mostly Muslim, lived in a Muslim country in his childhood, and also says that Muslim morning call to prayer is the sweetest thing he has ever heard as an adult., should not lie to people about his feelings. He may not be Muslim, I do not care...but of course he respects and appreciates the Muslim faith. I would respect Obama better if he simply came clean and admitted publicly what and who he is.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:22 am on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Frederick Goethel posted at 9:05 am on Wed, Oct 31, 2012...
    Whether the President is relious ( religious I assume) or not is not material to anything.

    Really? I think it is material to everything. I have always held honesty about core principles and beliefs as a major factor in all relationships. We are not talking about minor flip flops all politicians engage in. We are talking about what makes up the heart and soul of our Community Organizer in Chief.
    He swears that Christianity is his religion and faith and that all that he is and has become has it's foundation in Christianity . Yet, finds it difficult to even say the word”god”.

    Now Mr .Goethel, a kool aid drinking liberal, wants people to believe that Obama's statement of who he is in his heart and soul is immaterial.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:12 am on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    It's OK to be a zombie for Halloween Mr. Goethel but you shouldn't aspire to be one in real life. [sleeping]

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obamas-ring-there-is-no-god-but-allah/

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:52 am on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    These are nice quotes Mr Liebich but I feel I'm missing your point. Yes I heard of the ring, saw fuzzy pictures and have to take someones word for what it says. I still don't get the significance of the ring as some have. I may of made some presuptions regarding your point of view as a libertarian but I fail to understand what concern you may have regarding religion(s).

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:33 am on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    Are you trying to say you didn't see Obama in church? Hmm

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:33 am on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Mr DeBoard is quite right that we have been going down fast and if we keep electing Republicans they will finish their goal of destroying the middle class. If you thought 2008 was good times vote Republican. If you want a strong vibrant middle class and a prosperous economy vote Democrat. There is an old saying

    Republicans want to starve us and Democrats want to kill us in war

    The Republicans have taken over both jobs.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:21 am on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    You should read your bible, I mean someones bible where Jesus talks of hypocrites and their public religious prostrations as opposed to prayers in solitude. Of course Romney is pandering to a religion he is not a member of. So what does that make him?

     
  • Frederick Goethel posted at 9:06 am on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    Frederick Goethel Posts: 50

    How would you know what is inscribed inside his wedding ring....have you seen it for yourself or are you just parroting some talking point from Fox or Beck?

     
  • Frederick Goethel posted at 9:05 am on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    Frederick Goethel Posts: 50

    Whether the President is relious or not is not material to anything. There is this little section of the Constituion that states "but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

    I also wonder what about his behavior makes you believe he does not pratice any religion....

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:53 am on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    For goodness sake Ms. Bobin President Obama wears a wedding ring that has the phrase “there is no god except Allah” inscribed on it. [sleeping]

    10 Quotes By Barack Obama About Islam:

    #1 "Islam has always been part of America"

    #2 "we will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities"

    #3 "These rituals remind us of the principles that we hold in common, and Islam’s role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings."

    #4 "America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings."

    #5 "So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed"

    #6 "Ramadan is a celebration of a faith known for great diversity and racial equality"

    #7 "As a young man, I worked in Chicago communities where many found dignity and peace in their Muslim faith."

    #8 "I look forward to hosting an Iftar dinner celebrating Ramadan here at the White House later this week, and wish you a blessed month."

    #9 "That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn't. And I consider it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear."

    #10 "I also know that Islam has always been a part of America's story."


    10 Quotes By Barack Obama About Christianity:

    #1 "Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation"

    #2 "We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation."

    #3 "Which passages of scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is OK and that eating shellfish is an abomination? Or we could go with Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith?"

    #4 "Even those who claim the Bible's inerrancy make distinctions between Scriptural edicts, sensing that some passages - the Ten Commandments, say, or a belief in Christ's divinity - are central to Christian faith, while others are more culturally specific and may be modified to accommodate modern life."

    #5 "The American people intuitively understand this, which is why the majority of Catholics practice birth control and some of those opposed to gay marriage nevertheless are opposed to a Constitutional amendment to ban it. Religious leadership need not accept such wisdom in counseling their flocks, but they should recognize this wisdom in their politics."

    #6 From Obama's book, The Audacity of Hope: "I am not willing to have the state deny American citizens a civil union that confers equivalent rights on such basic matters as hospital visitation or health insurance coverage simply because the people they love are of the same sex—nor am I willing to accept a reading of the Bible that considers an obscure line in Romans to be more defining of Christianity than the Sermon on the Mount."

    #7 "I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell. I can't imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity. That's just not part of my religious makeup."

    #8 "Those opposed to abortion cannot simply invoke God’s will--they have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths."

    #9 On his support for civil unions for gay couples: "If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount."

    #10 "I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people."

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:44 am on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin distorted...Since you believe that President Obama is a Muslim, then you should know that Muslims believe in the very same god that Jews and Christians and Mormons also believe in.

    4 Pinocchios for Ms Bobin... I have no clue if Obama is a Muslim. Have said it repeatedly yet Ms Bobin wants to distort what I said.

    I have stated that Obama appreciates the Muslim faith since most of his family line is Muslim and he himself has stated that the call of morning Muslim prayer is the sweetest sound he can imagine...

    My personal opinion is that Obama is not religious and gives me the feeling that he does not practice any religion. Do I know that for a fact...no... just my opinion based on his behavior.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:21 am on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. DeBoard wrote: "Our trouble began about 50 years ago when the ACLU and Supreme Court made these things legal."

    Actually, our trouble began in 1789 when the Constitution was signed that included the First Amendment that states: "prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion."

    Mr. DeBoard might want to read that document some day so he can get the facts right.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:16 am on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Since you believe that President Obama is a Muslim, then you should know that Muslims believe in the very same god that Jews and Christians and Mormons also believe in.

    Seems to get sillier by the day.

    And the reason you wrote your even sillier letter was to show what you had learned from the propaganda extravaganza 2016.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:45 am on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Letter stated...Alert! Wake up, America! God is angry with America. Our leaders say "God bless America," but they don't mean it.

    Interesting observation... But I think not stated correctly. Should have been, Alert! Wake up, America! God might be disappointed with certain politicians who deceive others into thinking they are Christians when they are not.

    Did anyone notice in the debates that Mitt Romney was able to talk about his relationship with god and how that relationship guides him to think of others in a non selfish way. Then there was Barack Obama who not once mentioned god and had a look on his face as if he had a bad case of indigestion when he listened to Romney talk about god and our country.

    It's one reason why I wrote the letter that stated Barack Obama would make a good President of Indonesia, not America.

     

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