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Posted: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 12:00 am
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Updated: 6:20 am, Wed Jun 13, 2012.
Government needs to step away, let the customers in
As a business owner, I agree that it takes someone willing to take the risk to grow the economy. After all, I can only make so much money by myself. I need good people to help the business grow. And I respect that commitment. We all must benefit.
My gripe is with those that supposedly support business — i.e., banks, insurance companies, property owners, Realtors, hospitals, oil companies, government agencies and politicians. To you I ask, "How much is enough?"
I understand your need for ever-increasing profits. I understand your need for a million-dollar bonus. I know you need retirement benefits better than mine. You need more money. How else could you pay off the ever increasing list of politicians and lenders? I know you insurance guys are under pressure to raise rates. I understand the power to make easy money. You all need to keep your place at the front door so you can control who comes in. It is your job to be rich and handle the responsibility that comes with it.
But just so you know, you've closed my favorite restaurants. You've used my soldiers for greed. You've kept my customers from paying on time. You've given me more useless people to pay for when they retire from government service. You are blocking the door. Please move out of the way!
Jerry Bransom
Lodi
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Wednesday, June 13, 2012 12:00 am.
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Robert Chapman posted at 11:41 am on Sat, Jun 16, 2012.
Darrell, classic case of "if you repeat a lie often enough, people, including the liar believe it to be true". Obama is a pathological liar, always has been, always will be.
Robert Chapman posted at 5:52 am on Sat, Jun 16, 2012.
Joanne, spoken like a true liberal. If you read something that doesn't fit neatly in your liberal brain, you just claime it to be ridiculous and irrelevant. I am wondering just how you came to the conclusion that the "violent" sign carrier was even a registered member of the Tea Party? Did you hunt him down and ask him? Just like all gatherings, there are people there who are there just to agitate. In fact several Tea Party rallies have had paid left wing agitators in their midst in attempts to discredit the Tea Party as peaceful people.
K Lee posted at 7:07 pm on Fri, Jun 15, 2012.
LOL!
Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:49 pm on Fri, Jun 15, 2012.
Show me any clip where the Heritage foundation is smearing anyone by using websites that hide who they are...
It is you who constantly focuses on the News source, claiming you use reliable information other than Stewart and Tina Fey... then we find out you were misleading again... You used a campaign staffer for Obama as your substantiation that the tea party is bad... that's a bad joke that even Stewart would not even consider...speaking of conflict of interest... The woman who is known for distortions now is becoming a bad joke.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:36 pm on Fri, Jun 15, 2012.
Oh my Ms Bobin... how quick you are to change the subject...
Imagine.. an Obama /Clinton/Gore/Dukakis activist is heading a website smearing Tea Parties... and Ms Bobin uses them as her substantiation...
How predictable... distortion at its best...good job Ms Bobin!
No conspiracy in my book, just plain old fashion BS on Ms Bobin's part. She compared the mayhem, thuggery and destruction her side approves of to some little old lady holding a sign as she sips her Tea ... I think we have a Stewart want a be in Lodi...
Joanne Bobin posted at 10:57 am on Fri, Jun 15, 2012.
Who cares?
There are just as many right-wing organizations doing the same thing. Only you believe that left-leaning individuals have a monoply on them.
The Heritage Foundation for one. Karl Rove's Crossroads GPS. Just off the top of my head.
Joanne Bobin posted at 10:55 am on Fri, Jun 15, 2012.
Well we can certainly add Mr. Bumbach to the list of conspiracy theorists since he now has shown that he believes there are agents out in the streets actively BRAINWASHING the public into thinking George Bush should be blamed for the economy.
AND, of course, all pictures on the Internet have been MANIPULATED to show little old ladies being violent or holding signs that promise violence. AND he believes those signs really DO NOT threaten violence. The people holding them were JUST JOKING or CAMPAIGNING!
I guess you are now guilty of "seeing agents of the left-wing around every corner," Mr. Baumbach.
Joanne Bobin posted at 10:48 am on Fri, Jun 15, 2012.
Mr. Chapman wrote: "Funny, since when is a "sign" is thuggery? I guess to liberals it is probably a felonious activity. Yes, Joanne, you are right. Videos do capture a lot. For ever link you can come up with for the tea party being "bad", I can post at least 10 for democrat, ACORN, unions and other left wing stooges behaving violently, not just signs."
The point was, Mr. Chapman, since you seem to have lost FOCUS - you and several of your friends in this forum dared me to find anything "verifiable" that showed TEA Partiers being violent because YOU ALL claimed they were innocent little old ladies. Since you are opposed to the written word, I provided pictures.
I never said anyone else was non-violent. YOU claimed that TEA Partiers are NOT VIOLENT, so your response is ridiculous and irrelevant.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:31 am on Fri, Jun 15, 2012.
Imagine.. an Obama /Clinton/Gore/Dukakis activist is heading a website smearing Tea Parties... and Ms Bobin uses them as her substantiation...
How predictable... distortion at its best...good job Ms Bobin!
Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:28 am on Fri, Jun 15, 2012.
Continued... (thinkprogressive.org)
So just exactly is Ms Neea's history with the democratic party...
She was the domestic policy director for Barack Obama's campaign.
She helped the 2008 Hillary Rodham Clinton campaign shape its policy proposals, and worked on President Bill Clinton's for new energy policies, health-care reforms, as well as her plan to end the Iraq War of President George W. Bush she is quoted as saying...
"I am honoured and privileged to serve Senator Clinton as her policy director for her presidential campaign," says Neera, who has worked with various government agencies and also the Clinton-Gore presidential campaign.
Neera is married to Ben Edwards, an artist she met while working on the Michael Dukakis campaign.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:21 am on Fri, Jun 15, 2012.
Where did Ms Bobin get her information about the tea party Thugs? Just where does she perceive that she can get reliable objective balanced information?
Lets see... posted her video clip from... http://thinkprogress.org/politics/... Just who are these people?
Lets see... this web site is run by Center for American Progress... OK... who are these people?
Lets see... The Center for American Progress is a progressive public policy research and advocacy organization... Really? Sounds good!... But who controls and runs this organization?
Lets see... It has its headquarters in Washington D.C.... and...
Its President and Chief Executive Officer is Neera Tanden, who worked for the Obama and Clinton administrations and for Hillary Clinton’s campaigns.Its first President and Chief Executive Officer was John Podesta, who served as chief of staff to then U.S. President Bill Clinton. Podesta remains with the organization as Chairman of the Board. Located in Washington, D.C., the Center for American Progress has a campus outreach group, Campus Progress, and a sister advocacy organization, the Center for American Progress Action Fund.
What????? Ms Bobin would get her objective information about the tea party for an organization like this... I am shocked. Not really...its what is expected from someone who intentionally distorts reality.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:05 am on Fri, Jun 15, 2012.
Ms Bobin stated... But if you would like a photo of a TEA Party demonstration with innocent elderly people holding signs with violent slogans
( re Tea party thug substantiation)
Oh my, Ms Bobin is really out doing herself in the distortion department. She talks about tea party thugs and gives us three links to substantiate her claim.... this is very educational...
1. http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/03/20/87743/code-red-gun/?mobile=nc
so what is the violence and thuggery here? The sign reads: “Warning: If Brown can’t stop it, a Browning can,” referring to Sen. Scott Brown (R-MA) and a Browning firearm...
So what do we have here... one man carries one sign that was trying to be clever in a political campaign in 2010. It was a stupid sign by a stupid man... but he personally was not violent or even upset. He was not aggressive or even threatening personally. Compare that to the union thugs who actually were verbally abusive and threatened peoples lives in reality... Ms Bobin is obviously distorting reality. It has now been over two years since and no violence or threats have come from this man. Also, the tea party publicly denounced the sign... all union thugs are proud of their threats...
Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:28 am on Fri, Jun 15, 2012.
Jair-eee stated...Deryl - So only the employees can sabotage the company? Hmmm.. as I read about yet another Ponzi Scheme by another Texas company costing 7 billion dollars to investors. Were you born with your eyes shut or do you just choose to ignore reality?
No... did not say that at all... anyone can engage in behavior to sabotage a company...liberal politicians do it all the time. A CEO however has performance and merit clauses in their contract where the more money the company, the more healthy the company is... the more money the CEO makes. If the CEO sabotages the company, she is cutting her own throat economically. The union, on the other hand, by blackmailing the company is going to increase the income to its members... big difference.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:21 am on Fri, Jun 15, 2012.
Ms Bobin stated..."More than two-thirds of Americans—including half of Republicans—still blame former President George W. Bush for the country's economic ills, according to a new Gallup poll released on Thursday... (which will no doubt be discredited by Mr. Bumbach as an extreme left-wing organization):
Hummm... Actually.... a reasonable person would draw one of three conclusions...
1. The media did a good job in conditioning the public to believe a lie.
2. The people who conducted the poll had an agenda to help Obama.
3. Ms Bobin agian is distorting reality...
I select option three...
A new Gallup poll shows that 68% of Americans blame George W. Bush for the nation's current economic woes, down from 80% in a 2009 poll. Among independents, who often play a key role in deciding elections, 51% blame Obama.
Since Bush is not running and many blame Obama... this is very bad news for the existing president since elections are decided by slim margins many times....
Nice try Ms Bobin... your distortions are always amusing.
Robert Chapman posted at 8:32 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
I am always amused when liberals scream about the jobs that Romney axed through Bain Capital. Fact of the matter is that Bain probably saved hundreds of jobs by infusing money into failing companies and restructuring them to become profitable. Some companies weren't "fixable" but they were failing anyway. Did some people lose their jobs? Of course, no different than now when companies are forced to lay off employees to stay solvent Eonomics, pure and simple something which Obama has NO experience or knowledge. I don't much care what party affiliation the next President claims as long as it is someone who can lead, and has the credentials to understand what needs to be done AND do it. Unfortunately the Democrats are forced to offer up BHO again, hopefully he will be unemployed come next January.
Thomas Heuer posted at 7:43 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
Geez I wish I said that
Mike Adams posted at 7:38 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
"What good news would you like to share except everything negative regarding the Obama regime is the fault of Bush?
Unemployment is up by 6,000 over last week, guess if you have a job all is well with the world, that kind of "big picture?"
Mr. Musto, you seem to be typical of republicans all over the country..... an increase, any increase no matter how small (in this case .0002%) in unemployment is cause for celebration. What is so sad is that you and other conservatives don't really seem to care about those who have lost their jobs, your only concern is that some more people lost their jobs.
Mr. Chapman: "You do realize that by blaming Bush, what Obama is really saying is that he is clueless on how to "fix" what he blames Bush for. So why should he be re-elected when he freely admits he can't undo what Bush did?" .....So the solution would be to elect another republican president? Maybe someone who has a history in eliminating jobs would be a good choice. And as we all go along, week by week with more people being put out of work under his administration, president Romney, along with his weird smiling bobble head fellow republicans would continually repeat to every reporter they might encounter, "we need more tax cuts and we need to get these dead beats off unemployment and there is no better solution than to cut the workforce." Yeah,,,that's where we're going. I wonder what your opinion will be when it ends up being you being laid off, and not some single mother, or middle age white guy, or young African-American male, or some thirty some-thing Hispanic female who took a job to help feed and close her and her husband's two children. Oh wait.... that last one.... make sure she's a citizen first. Better check out her kids too.... The last thing we want is for some Hispanic kids getting some free public education.
Robert Chapman posted at 5:56 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
You do realize that by blaming Bush, what Obama is really saying is that he is clueless on how to "fix" what he blames Bush for. So why should he be re-elected when he freely admits he can't undo what Bush did? Obama has proven he is ineffective as a leader and does not possess the ability to do much of anything except blame everyone else for his shortcomings as POTUS. He needs to change his address and I have confidence that is going to happen come November.
Thomas Heuer posted at 5:00 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
Excuse me there were several baggers spitting on congressional members (especially black) early on.
Thomas Heuer posted at 4:58 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
There are some democrats that don't like Obama because he is not left enough as opposed to those on the right like Gingrich who say he is extreme left. But that comes from the conservative media who have gone so far to the right they can't even see center anymore.
Thomas Heuer posted at 4:50 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
Excuse me there were several baggers spitting on congressional members (especially black) early on.
Jerry Bransom posted at 4:35 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
Deryl - So only the employees can sabotage the company? Hmmm.. as I read about yet another Ponzi Scheme by another Texas company costing 7 billion dollars to investors. Were you born with your eyes shut or do you just choose to ignore reality?
Robert Chapman posted at 4:31 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
You want to watch real violence from the LEFT, not just signs?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQg-fYwaoZM
Jerry Bransom posted at 4:28 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
What a laughable response.
Robert Chapman posted at 4:21 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
BREAKING NEWS, JOANNE... Not everyone who despises Obama is a Tea Party member. In fact, there are a lot of DEMOCRATS, that would like to see him leave town also. The liberals love to blame all of Obama's negative press on the Tea Party in attempts to demonize them just like his minions do to everyone else who doesn't idolize him. Yeah, almost 4 years and he still blames Bush. The polls show what the liberal press preaches on a daily basis and stupid people believe what they read.
K Lee posted at 3:39 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
Wow! These people are pathetic and definitely what's wrong with America today.
K Lee posted at 3:26 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
That dryer was installed in 2006.
K Lee posted at 3:24 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
Darrell wrote, "If you want to believe what you read in the paper, be my guest... personally, I think what people read and hear is scripted so as to manipulate their thinking."
Read and listen to a variety of sources, Darrell, so as to get both sides of the story.
K Lee posted at 3:19 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
Indeed.
Robert Chapman posted at 3:10 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
Funny, since when is a "sign" is thuggery? I guess to liberals it is probably a felonious activity. Yes, Joanne, you are right. Videos do capture a lot. For ever link you can come up with for the tea party being "bad", I can post at least 10 for democrat, ACORN, unions and other left wing stooges behaving violently, not just signs.
Joanne Bobin posted at 1:22 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
Of course you didn't - because you wouldn't recognize violence as long as it was perpetrated against people you didn't like.
Joanne Bobin posted at 1:21 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
Mr. Chapman wrote: "I would really be interested to see if Ms. Bobin can come up with "Tea Party thuggery" accounts."
If you were paying attention, you would have noted that I was refering to the TEA Party thugs in Congress who are responsible for holding up or not passing any legislation that has been proposed by the White House.
But if you would like a photo of a TEA Party demonstration with innocent elderly people holding signs with violent slogans:
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/03/20/87743/code-red-gun/?mobile=nc
or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5pdwTQ4xA8
or this:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20001259-504083.html
or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVD5pdS9EOw
It really is quite humorous how right-wingers forget that VIDEO captures a lot and much of it is archived on the Internet.
Joanne Bobin posted at 12:57 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
Mr. Musto replied to Mr. Heuer: "What good news would you like to share except everything negative regarding the Obama regime is the fault of Bush?"
New poll out today from Gallup (which will no doubt be discredited by Mr. Bumbach as an extreme left-wing organization):
"More than two-thirds of Americans—including half of Republicans—still blame former President George W. Bush for the country's economic ills, according to a new Gallup poll released on Thursday, hours before President Barack Obama was to deliver a high-stakes speech defending his handling of the weak economy."
"68 percent of Americans say former President Bush should be given a great deal or a moderate amount of blame for the nation's economic woes—substantially more than say the same about Obama."
Thomas Heuer posted at 12:52 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
Darrell
I have to give you credit you made a good point but you left the rails in others. Of course everything is about the dollar. To your credit I was not thinking in terms of political manipulation. However my point was that with all the negative political over Obamacare (especially from Tea Partiers) it recognized the popularity Obamacare has with many people. And certain provisions like coverage of offspring till age 26 is popular enough that 1 people would pay a premium for it ( I would have for my kids) or 2 insurance companies would not charge a premium by finding cost savings else where and use this as a come on to get people to buy their insurance over competitors. Don't be like Musto and only see 2 dimensional. As for your everything you read is scripted begs for a definition of scripted. You mean everything is political (insurance companies or the papers or the papers advertisers) or what you read is edited for fitting into the formats of the paper or priorities of the issue?
Robert Chapman posted at 12:21 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
I would really be interested to see if Ms. Bobin can come up with "Tea Party thuggery" accounts. Joanne, you made the statement, back it up with verifiable sources, not just liberal drivel.
Thomas Heuer posted at 11:44 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
There you go you're off to a good start. If you have a job things are looking better already. Of course if you don't have a job......Do you need a job?
Gary Musto posted at 11:28 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
What good news would you like to share except everything negative regarding the Obama regime is the fault of Bush?
Unemployment is up by 6,000 over last week, guess if you have a job all is well with the world, that kind of "big picture?"
Thomas Heuer posted at 9:41 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
Ever heard of downsizing? Healthcare and pension takeaways? Longer uncompensated hoours? Flat wages? When was the last time you had a nob?
Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:19 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
There she goes again...distortion galore... my only question is.... is it premeditated
or spontaneous?
Me Bitter? That's comical as I am very content and happy with life in general... As far as Ms Bobin's misfortune, I am sorry for her...If Ms Bobin actually had a husband that loved her, she would not take
so much joy and pride at intentionally making false statements about others. I find people who have angry bitter relationships tend to behave like Ms Bobin. I can only conclude that she does not have someone that that can tolerate her behavior or if she does, takes out her frustration on anyone in her view.
I hope your life improves Ms Bobin. It was be hard on you to be angry that it distorts your reality.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:03 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
Joe, it makes you wonder... After seeing so many union thugs in Wisconson and the union backed thugs at occupy Wall Street crowd, and witnessing all the violence these thugs engaged in... how in the world can Ms Bobins reality be so distorted.
I can not recall seeing one tea party event were the tea party people were violent.
The union thugs and occupy crowd are equivalent to a smash mouth ice hockey game where as the tea party is equivalent to a high school girl's basketball game... big difference.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:55 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
Mr Bransom stated... You cannot fault a union for getting what it asks for if you are going to say that a CEO should get what he asks for too! The problem with the formula is the supply of money - there ain't enough of it for everyone..
Jerry... There is a difference... a union has the ability to blackmail the business, stockholders and investors by closing down the business if their demands are not met. The union employees will not be prevented from working if the CEO does not get what he/she wants in compensation as the board will simply get a new CEO.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:33 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
Mr Heuer...thank you for the links... however, I have a question... why would you believe it...what is the motivation inside the board room to say this at this time?
Hint... its called political maneuvering... in other words....this is to make people confortable. Insurance companies and people like myself do not want people to fear the repeal of Obamacare. If there is fear, it will be more difficult to repeal.
The point I am making is that its all about the money and how expensive it is for people to buy health insurance... each mandated provision is expensive. If a provision is deleted, the rates go down. If rates go down, it is more affordable to the public. I guarantee, it the people are given options to have lower premiums by removing provisions, they will enthusiastically support getting rid of all Obamacare provisions in a heart beat.
If you want to believe what you read in the paper, be my guest... personally, I think what people read and hear is scripted so as to manipulate their thinking. I think if you believe what they told you, it demonstrates that you are gullible. I think this is evidence that Obamacare will be repealed and replaced with something different. We will see.
Thomas Heuer posted at 8:05 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
Gary if you only look for the bad news you will find it. If you single out the bad statistics you miss the big picture.
Thomas Heuer posted at 8:00 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
OK
This was easy to Google Darrell but here you go
http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2012/06/11/unitedhealth-will-keep-some-benefits-even-if-supreme-court-strikes-down-obamacare/
http://insiderlouisville.com/news/2012/06/11/humana-rival-unitedhealth-vow-to-preserve-most-obamacare-reforms-no-matter-how-scotus-rules/
http://www.newsmax.com/US/insurers-keep-obamacare-reforms/2012/06/11/id/441937
Joe Baxter posted at 7:31 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
JOANNE BOBIN, which "TEA party thug" are you referring to? The little old lady with the walker or the American vet in a wheel chair waving the American flag? TEA party thugs, oh brother, your mind is delusional. You gotta stop believing the liberal media.
Gary Musto posted at 6:53 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
US Labor Department, newly-reported documents show 1,861 employees of Obama's failed boondoggle Solyndra lost their jobs last year, 800 more than first reported.
The Obama regime can't even lie straight, did these morons think they could hide a 70% increase in total jobs lost?
Gary Musto posted at 6:24 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
Sign found on restroom hand dryer: "Press here for a message from the President."
Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:05 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
Your statement that I have an obsession with Tina Fey is .... funny...
Your Obsession to pretent to act like Tina Fey by the posts you submit, is sad.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:02 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
Ms Bobin stated... The one popular provision is covering dependents until the age of 26. The risk involved is very low, since most young people have fewer health issues that would cost insurers a lot of money
Ms Bobin identified a provision that was mandated but if the mandate was eliminated, I expect the provision will ASAP revert back to the way it was.
Ms Bobin is correct that younger people normally pose less risk to the pool that determines rates and benefits paid. However, she is mistaken in this case. The important part of the provision that increased risk was to make children past age 19, and not going to school, eligible for coverage. This group prior had to meet the IRS definition of dependent to be eligible. Now, thanks to Obama person can be 25, married , unemployed and still be added on . It sounds good on paper but underwriters have increased premiums significantly because of this risk.
Unfortunately, Ms Bobin as a bank clerk, most likely would not be aware of the significant costs the insurance company faces then pass on to consumers in the form of higher premiums. Unfortunately, everyone pays much more in premium because of Obamacare and the mandates it has.
K Lee posted at 1:33 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
Well said.
K Lee posted at 1:32 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.
Darrell wrote, "Her idea of reliable News would be to replace Walter Cronkite with Tina Fey as the anchor."
Darrell: Your obsession with Tina fey is disturbing.
Jerry Bransom posted at 11:41 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Derrels hypocrisy is nothing compared to corporate welfare hypocrites! Even Romney built his wealth on millions of dollars of subsidies and tax breaks. My beef with the government is just as you say Joanne, those idiots that got us into the mess in the first place. You cannot fault a union for getting what it asks for if you are going to say that a CEO should get what he asks for too! The problem with the formula is the supply of money - there ain't enough of it for everyone to make 200 million dollars a year. And just as you ration water in a drought, pay needs to be rationed as well. Capitalism, like government has run amok. We CAN control the government, although time is running out on that option.
Joanne Bobin posted at 10:19 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
"Mike, government employees did nothing wrong. They are good people... The people who arranged to overpay these employees is the problem. The pensions are not sustainable in any way in today's economy."
If Mr. Bumbach actually had the wife that he claims is a "retired teacher," he would not be talking the way he talks about teachers' retirements - he would be happy that "she" was able to provide a decent income after "her" 30 years of hard work and the 75K income "she" had before retirement.
Unfortunately, that was a dream - no wife - no great retirement income. Only bitterness that Mr. Bumbach cannot participate in what others have worked for through education and dedication to their students.
Off to Thailand to live with the people who are SO happy to be poor and starving.
Send us a postcard every once in a while, Mr. Bumbach. We'll be happy to send you a cracker now and then.
Joanne Bobin posted at 10:10 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
"If the provisions drive up the cost and companies reduce their premiums by eliminating the provisions, the consumer will save money. If the consumer buys the less expensive plans without the provisions, I guarantee the provisions from Obamacare will be eliminated based on consumer affordability. Premiums are so high now that price is the dominate motivation in today's market.
The report you saw was not reality."
As an insurance salesman, Mr. Bumbach obviously knows what he is talking about..
The one popular provision is covering dependents until the age of 26. The risk involved is very low, since most young people have fewer health issues that would cost insurers a lot of money.
It is a win-win issue. Unfortunately, Mr. Bumbach will not pass his continuing education and lose his insurance license over this simple issue.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:17 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Mr Heuer... in my experience, if all insurance companies have the choice and provisions are optional, popularity has little do do with it. If the provisions drive up the cost and companies reduce their premiums by eliminating the provisions, the consumer will save money. If the consumer buys the less expensive plans without the provisions, I guarantee the provisions from Obamacare will be eliminated based on consumer affordability. Premiums are so high now that price is the dominate motivation in today's market.
The report you saw was not reality.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:54 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Ms Bobin....relax... you seem agitated and emotional....
Thomas Heuer posted at 8:34 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Sorry I meant to say if the supreme court rules against obamacare they are going to keep many of the provisions anyway.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:10 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Mike, government employees did nothing wrong. They are good people... The people who arranged to overpay these employees is the problem. The pensions are not sustainable in any way in today's economy.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:07 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Mr Heuer stated...United Health and Humana announced they are going to keep provisins of Obamacare since they have become so popular....
Odd... insurance companies are mandated by law to include Obamacare provisions in the policies, That means the insurance companies would be breaking the law and subject to fines and penalties if they do not comply.
Can you please post a link that states what you reported as it does not make sense.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:02 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Yes... I agree Ms Bobin, it was low class humor intentionally. I always attempt to communicate at the level of the person I am engaging to achieve better communication. I think it fits you quite appropriately. Thank you for noticing.
Since you offered Kindergarten playground thought and statements, I was attempting to match like kind.
Mike Adams posted at 7:39 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
And this overwhelming anger at government employees.... I get it. If you are not a government employee, you are angry because they have a collective bargaining agreement. Within that collective bargaining agreement, who gets and how much /many retirement clauses are specifically stated. Now because you couldn't get a government job (for a lot of reasons) you are not eligible to collect the benefits your employer agreed to upon your hiring.
Be glad you're not a government employee!! You get no Xmas bonuses (you also are forbidden to mention "Christmas"). You're salary is based on the number of years worked (which rarely means no raise every year), probably on some other factor, like education as well. As a result of doing an outstanding job doesn't mean you will get paid more that year or even promoted because those protocols are all written out in the collective bargaining agreement.
Your employer takes a percentage of your pay (and you usually can't deny them this).
This may be from 6% to 10% each pay period which they then submit to the retirement bureau. You can't get your deducted monthly submission back until you quit or retire. You can't roll it over into a private investment concern unless you agree that you will not recieve a pension from your retirement bureau and that you are resigning from your government job. In addition, you deduct an additional 5-15% yearly into a separate, non-government retirement account.
So now, because government workers have had to do without after a career, they shouldn't get the pension that was agreed to by their employer (a pension that the employee has absolutely no control over at all) and the collective bargaining unit you are in? Because government employees have been forced to pay into a system their whole career they should now be denied the fruits of that labor?
Typical conservativism. Because they ended up with nothing, everyone else should. Because they've wanted the ability to sink or swim on their own, they want everybody to drown just because they are. Because it's all the President's fault and all the Senate's fault. The GOP house is absolutely not to blame for any of this.
Thomas Heuer posted at 7:02 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Great news.Llarge health insurers like United Health and Humana announced they are going to keep provisins of Obamacare since they have become so popular. Gee that kind of shoots down the Tea Party again. Oh gosh Steven Colbert is on. Bye.
Walter Chang posted at 4:30 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Gary, regarding your earlier query...
Bingo!!!
Gary Musto posted at 4:08 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Has anyone in Wisconsin seen the President lately, such a coward Obama turned out to be, not even stepping foot in the state to help his unionized boot lickers with their election.
Wow, did those leftist thugs take a beating, maybe Obama knew in advance and wanted to save face, which face he wanted to save is difficult to determine.
Joanne Bobin posted at 4:02 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
No one had a problem putting Bush on TV when he was president.
Your suppositions are stupid, idiotic, ill-informed, moronic, juvenile, ill-educated, ill-informed and any number of other adjectives that conform with this category.
YOU are saying that no one puts Bush on TV, Radio, or in newspaper articles because all media is left-wing.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joanne Bobin posted at 3:58 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Mr. Bumbach wrote:
"Maybe if you read adult material meant for mature responsible thinkers Ms Bobin, you would be aware of the truth.
I think you walking down the street would be a more destructive movement that the Tea Party."
Back to the Kindergarten playground again, eh, Mr. Baumbach? What a juvenile comment.
Every time I think you have topped yourself with idiotic, juvenile comments, you do yourself proud with more nonsense.
Gary Musto posted at 3:53 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Thank you for your kind words Joanne, as far as President Bush going underground, he was at the WH last week, but with the bunker mentality of this corrupt and inept Obama administration, it just might have looked like the underground.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:48 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Ms Bobin is right Gary, Since you do not watch the Stewart show or SNL, you must be the least informed...
Her idea of reliable News would be to replace Walter Cronkite with Tina Fey as the anchor.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:43 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Ms Bobin stated...I still want to know - why has Bush gone underground? Facing the shame of his disgraceful 8 years is just too much, no doubt.
Please let me help you out Ms Bobin... The left including MSNBC, CBS, The Daily Show, SNL, CNN, PBS, and 85% of all news organizations are dominated and controlled by the left. The left hates George W Bush and seeing him in public is like Pavlov ringing his bell for dogs causing salivation.
It causes the left wing liberals to behave like Paparazzi and viciousness and rude behavior takes place.
Its why many think liberalism is a disease. I think Bush is kindhearted and considerate for staying out of sight in order to help liberals cure their disease. Unfortunately for Bush, the disease of liberalism is incurable. He is fighting a losing battle.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:28 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Ms Bobin stated...Apparently you have not read that the TEA Party (former members fleeing for their lives) has been one of the most destructive movements in decades.
Of course I have not read the above. I do not read comics or transcripts of MSNBC where one is likely to read such silly untrue commentary. Maybe if you read adult material meant for mature responsible thinkers Ms Bobin, you would be aware of the truth.
I think you walking down the street would be a more destructive movement that the Tea Party.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:21 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Ms Bobin stated...If you took your head out of your right-wing gopher hole for a minute, you might have gotten the meaning, Mr. Baumbach
Really Ms Bobin... please take your fangs out of your left wing cave and explain what you think he meant.
If you notice Ms Bobin... the key word in my post was :"exactly" ... his post was interesting but could be taken several ways. I did not want to assume I knew "exactly" what he meant. If taken one way, it might not fit in this tread. It's why I was giving him the courtesy of asking him instead of telling what I think.
Joanne Bobin posted at 3:04 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Mr. Chang made perfect sense.
If you took your head out of your right-wing gopher hole for a minute, you might have gotten the meaning, Mr. Baumbach.
Joanne Bobin posted at 3:03 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Mr. Baumbach has reached a new low with this comment about the TEA Party. Apparently you have not read that the TEA Party (former members fleeing for their lives) has been one of the most destructive movements in decades.
The biggest laugh is that they still proclaim themselves to be a "grassroots" movement. True enough as long as the Bircher Koch Brothers are paying for the fertilizer.
As far as "damage" goes, the election of Obama at least prevented additional damage that the Republican party would have inflicted in the wake of George W. Bush. The 800,000 jobs per month lost at the end of the GWB admin has at least turned to gaining jobs. Not as many as one would want, but the obstructionists in Congress have another agenda.
I still want to know - why has Bush gone underground? Facing the shame of his disgraceful 8 years is just too much, no doubt.
Joanne Bobin posted at 2:54 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
So good to know that you are just about the least informed commenter in this forum, Mr. Musto.
Gary Musto posted at 1:54 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Good of you to mention the do-nothing Congress Ms Bobin, I'm glad those of you on the left are starting to see how the do-nothing Democrats in the do-nothing Senate have done nothing to help this country except blame Bush and stone wall any piece of legislation handed them by the do-nothing House.
Funny how this do-nothing President hasn't constructed any kind of budget that would get pass both houses of the do-nothing Congress.
Shouldn't say Obama hasn't done anything, he has trimmed a couple of stokes off his golf game, now that's something.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:51 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
One commentator stated... It is shameful that the right has been more willing to spend four years destroying the president rather than building our economy.
Unfortunately, this person does not understand that the tea party and other conservatives are doing their best to protect all people from the damages and disasters created by Obama's policies. The sky is not falling at all, but it is quite foggy and storms brewing.
The right is not in any way trying to destroy the president… they are however attempting to prevent the president from inflicting more damage than he already has to our economy
Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:00 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Mr Chang stated... It’s hopeless, we’re all doomed!! Gary, the sky is falling. Enjoy!
Mr Chang...did you post this in the wrong thread? Also, maybe if you provided context to your post, one might be able to comprehend exactly what point you were attempting to make. I could make a guess, but I would probably be wrong.
Joanne Bobin posted at 12:59 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
This letter was not titled appropriately since Mr. Bransom is blaming both big government and big corporations alike for all of our ills.
Great comments, Mr. Chang!
Unfortunately, one commenter in this forum does not understand that the TEA Party thugs that dominate our obstructionist and all-around do-nothing Congress should take their portion of the blame for the lack of progress in getting out of this recession.
It is shameful that the right has been more willing to spend four years destroying the president rather than building our economy.
Gary Musto posted at 12:31 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Walter Chang posted, "Our house" is on fire and there's a big angry white guy blocking the door."
I don''t think bringing race into this mess is going to solve anything, you've used the phrase before, maybe this time you could add a name or description to that "angry white guy" your imagination seems to be attracted to??
Kim Parigoris posted at 10:16 am on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
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Walter Chang posted at 9:23 am on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Jerry, everybody wants a piece of the action, nothing new here.
Taxed and licensed to death - It was those liberal politicians, they did this to us!
Yeah Yeah that’s the ticket.
But now…
“Our house” is on fire and there’s a big angry white guy blocking the door.
No Compromise is his mantra and he’s not going to move!!
Burn baby burn!!
It’s hopeless, we’re all doomed!!
Gary, the sky is falling. Enjoy!
So who needs a cold brew or maybe a Xanax??
Kim Parigoris posted at 9:23 am on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
I agree Darrell- although capitalism may have its faults, I definitely do not like the alternative. Consumers, if they do not like the practices of private businesses, have the power to change that. If you don't like the fact that B of A executives make obscene amounts of money, don't bank there. Don't like the GM bailout? Buy a Ford. The people have the power- we just need to exercise it. I also do not care what someone makes. Like you say, if Oprah makes more money than I like,. I can choose to not get her magazine, watch her shows, etc. That is THEIR money to do with what they want. I may not like what they do with it, or whose agenda they support, but there are a lot of things in life I don't like- but that's life!
Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:03 am on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
"I do not think like Jerry and do worry what others make" in last post
should have been...I do not think like Jerry. I do not worry what others make.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:58 am on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
We live in a capitalism environment. Businesses in all industries are there to make a profit. Some go out of business like Washington Mutual and Executive Life Insurance company...some file for bankruptcy like GM. Maybe if Jerry wants to ask people how much is too much profit, he should start with the Hollywood left who can afford to live on Malibu beach in 30 million dollar mansions, or all these people who can afford jets ..
Donna Versace, John Travolta, Harrison Ford, the Sultan of Brunei, Tom Cruise, Oprah, and Simon Cowell all own jets. John Travolta probably needs an airport to store his, though, because he owns three Gulfstreams, a Boeing 707, and a Lear Jet. Donna Versace, on the other hand, has taken it a step further. She designs the interiors of jets. Oprah bought a global Express XRS and then had the inside redesigned. Total cost was about $42 million.
I do not think like Jerry and do worry what others make. If Oprah becomes a billionaire and make obscene profits, good for her. That is her business. She runs the risk like anyone else if they enrich themselves at the expense of others, they might lose more than money.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:53 am on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Well written letter that unfortunately has little to do with reality. Lets look at just 2 of the many how of reality remarks made in this letter...
1. My gripe is with those that supposedly support business — i.e., banks, insurance companies, property owners, Realtors, hospitals, oil companies, government agencies and politicians............
Response... These business entities are not there to support business as they themselves are businesses. They have employees too and must meet payroll, provide employee benefits and provide a safe environment for their employees.
2. To you I ask, "How much is enough?" I understand your need for ever-increasing profits. I understand your need for a million-dollar bonus. I know you need retirement benefits better than mine. You need more money. How else could you pay off the ever increasing list of politicians and lenders? ...
Response... Interesting that Jerry takes the typical left wing talking points of the evil corporations, banks, real estate, insurance companies..etc etc... He does what the hypocritical left always do, ignore all wealthy left wing people and focus on traditional businesses. For example, the richest woman in the World, Oprah earns more that any CEO of any bank or insurance company. She has a private jet that president Obama would be envious of. How about Steven Spielberg that earns more money than god yet people who sell popcorn at the movie house can not afford to buy the product they sell. How about Michael Moore who makes millions for himself and makes more money than most CEO's. How about Michael Jordan earns millions every month and was able to buy an NBC basketball team.
All these left wing rich profit hungry people buy their politicians as well... why focus only on business.
Kim Parigoris posted at 8:12 am on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Plus we have gotten 2 letters just this month from suppliers saying that our costs are going up substantially due to AB32 and the diesel regs. Just what we need for a recovering economy. Our concrete pumper company has to either retrofit their rigs, or buy new ones, at the cost of over a million dollars per unit. Who is going to end up paying? The California consumer...with added transportation costs for goods such as food and clothing, and construction costs skyrocketing.
Kim Parigoris posted at 7:52 am on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Government needs to step out of the way. Although I know that private industries also exercise greed, socilaism and nanny states are not the answer. Many times, our inflated costs from them are because of government regulations and intervention. Here in Calfiornia the California Air Resources Board has over 1223 employees and a 2012-2013 budget of over $555 million. We have over 600 government agencies in Calfiornia. I have worked in the private sector- construction- for over 30 years and there is no way that I would start a business in Calfiornia- especially in construction. The "green" machine LEED criteria, the outrageous concrete mix designs, the waddles, the absoute disregard for private businesses is stifling. The worst part is , they don't care! They honestly think that people and businesses will keep paying through the nose to live here in Paradise (California) Well, tehy are finding out that isn;t true- as businesss and taxpayers leave- and they STILL don;t admit there is a problem.
Gary Musto posted at 7:29 am on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.
Heading into Obama's third straight "Wreckovery Summer" the U.S. Census Bureau announced today that May retail sales fell 0.2% while April's 0.1% gain has been revised downward to a 0.2% drop.
Gotta love me some of that "Hope and Change."