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Posted: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:39 am, Wed Mar 14, 2012.

The News-Sentinel editorial cartoon of Feb. 23 hit the nail on the head. Who would've thought the core issues of the upcoming election would be the evils of contraception, abortion and homosexual "marriage" all wrapped up in our God-given First Amendment freedoms of religion and speech, especially considering our dire economy, its resulting unemployment and our loss of strength in the world.

If we will understand the fundamental law of our universe is simply "obedience brings blessing and disobedience brings judgment," and the proof of this basic underlying law is in the fact that all social crisis is the result of our immorality, we will then clearly see the cause of our problems is us. Corruption at all levels of government, business and religion is the judgment for our disobedience, unbelief and arrogance. In other words, we reap what we sow.

Indeed, the cartoon is right on the money. Despite the good or bad motives and intentions of its creator, whether we know it or not, we are at war against Satan and the front lines of this battle is our minds, not our genitalia.

GOP hopeful Rick Santorum is being mocked and ridiculed by the unbelieving world for his belief in Satan as the source of evil. Santorum, a Catholic Christian, knows Satan is no myth or merely a "principle of evil," but rather the "prince" and ruler of this earth. Santorum is acquainted with the biblical accounts of Satan's tempting of Christ Jesus, Christ's expelling of demon spirits from both adults and children and the entreating of Christ by these demon spirit entities. So if Satan is just fiction, then so is the Bible and Christ Jesus is a liar and fraud, and neither can be trusted. But Satan is real and the real danger is not recognizing him, or mystifying him and taking our real enemy seriously — really.

The world is divided into two factions, believers and unbelievers. Neither faction can divorce its values from anything and everything it does. So it falls on us to do our due diligence and choose wisely. It is eternally important that we do.

William Van Amber Fields

Morada

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47 comments:

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:46 pm on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Yeah, but why do you use "Satin" instead of "Satan"?

    Yeah, but why do you distort and distrack from the point almost always?
    Maybe Andrew has a valid point about you Steve.

    As many religious people often state... after presented with the "why" question ...respond....it's a mystery!

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 8:18 pm on Sat, Mar 17, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2610

    Yeah, but why do you use "Satin" instead of "Satan"?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:50 pm on Sat, Mar 17, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Steve stated...I am curious to know, however, why you refer to "Satan" as "Satin". I have not encountered this usage before. Is it part of some religious tradition?

    I am in agreement with Manuel ... why isn't this ( Steve's posts and interpretation) in the insane religious section...

    You can interpret this letter any way you wish Steve... I tend to see things from a non religious perspective and look for non religious points that someone might make.

    You on the other hand seem to be a religious man who sees things through a religious prism that clouds your comprehension of this letter. Just because the man who wrote this is religious, does not mean his main points were religious...

     
  • Manuel Martinez posted at 8:01 pm on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Manuel Martinez Posts: 641

    Why isn't this in the insane (Religion) section?

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 9:04 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2610

    Brian, I don't see the negativity. I don't much care for WVAF but I am guessing that Darrell, as a fellow conservative, would find that he has a lot in common with the guy.

    What is negative about that?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:44 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2860

    Steve wrote:


    To tell the truth, Darrell, you would probably get along famously with WVAF. You should look him up next time you are in the States. You guys could talk for hours in blissful agreement.

    -Chuckle,

    At least Steve is consistent in implying a negative in many of his posts. Gotta give him credit for that.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:37 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2860

    Ms. Bobin wrote:

    Regarding Mr. Baumbach at 5:04AM on 3/15 - Congratulations, Mr. Schmidt. You have finally confounded Mr. Baumbach to the point that, I believe, not even HE knows what he is talking about.

    The statement about should clarify with everyone that Steve's comments are mostly designed to do what Ms. Bobin describes. Frankly, I'm surprised Steve doesn't want to take credit.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 7:17 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2610

    Woops, I missed your post from 12:08 yesterday. Disregard my last post.

    All I can do is repeat what I said before. Having had the misfortune to converse with WVAF on a couple of occasions, I am confident that my interpretation is closest to the author's intent.

    To tell the truth, Darrell, you would probably get along famously with WVAF. You should look him up next time you are in the States. You guys could talk for hours in blissful agreement.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 7:12 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2610

    Darrell, I am curious. I have put forth a pretty straight forward description of what I think this letter is about, a description that you apparently disagree with.

    What do you think it is about?

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 7:07 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2610

    I am curious to know, however, why you refer to "Satan" as "Satin". I have not encountered this usage before. Is it part of some religious tradition?

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 7:05 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2610

    Darrell, if you find my simple, plainly put statements puzzling, I suspect the fault lies with you, not with my statements.

    I have had the misfortune to have conversed in person with WVAF on a couple of occasions and I think I can say with some authority, that he and I would be in agreement with regards to the subject of this letter, if little else.

    If, however, you are determined to engage in some discussion of the letter's imagined subject (a subject that exists only in your head), I guess there isn't much either of us can do to deter you.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:55 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Steve... interesting interpretation. In my view, I think Satin as I call it... which I do not admit exists since I do not know, is secondary to the message.... I disagree with you.

    If you want to talk about puzzling, 90 % of what you perceive and think fits that description from my view. I think just about everything I say, think and perceive is puzzling to you... So why make that observation now... seems redundant.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 4:08 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2610

    Darrell, the man opens with an enumeration of evils and concludes by saying that Satan (not satin) is the literal embodiment of those evils. Satan is absolutely (and obviously) the subject of this letter.

    Your attempts to suggest otherwise is puzzling.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:46 pm on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    WVAF wrote:"But Satan is real and the real danger is not recognizing him, or mystifying him and taking our real enemy seriously — really."

    Like I said, I think talking about satin in this situation is of point. It was not the main contention in this letter.

    and.... I do not claim to know what is in the heart of anyone... you or Mr Fields... If you want to know what I think about something... I am game. I find it silly for you to ask me what someone else sees or thinks. Maybe you should direct that to Mr Fields.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:39 pm on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...Congratulations, Mr. Schmidt. You have finally confounded Mr. Baumbach to the point that, I believe, not even HE knows what he is talking about.

    Its ok Ms Bobin... I know its difficult for you... please take a nap and when you awaken, it will be better.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 8:08 pm on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2610

    WVAF wrote:"But Satan is real and the real danger is not recognizing him, or mystifying him and taking our real enemy seriously — really."

    Darrell, do you deny that WVAF believes that Satan is a real entity that our politicians must do battle with?

    All of this is polytheism, straight up simple and plain. WVAF imagines a world with two gods, one benign who we worship and one evil who we must fight. Such a vision has very little to do with the teachings of Christ.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:35 pm on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Regarding Mr. Baumbach at 5:04AM on 3/15 - Congratulations, Mr. Schmidt. You have finally confounded Mr. Baumbach to the point that, I believe, not even HE knows what he is talking about.

    Mr. Jameson wrote: "Tell me, Mrs. Bobin, why is it that when I make a snarky remark about Obama being "the supreme chancellor" as a way to express my view of his narcissism, that you attack such comments as "inflammatory" and they serve "no other purpose to inflame"? And then please explain to me why you can refer to religious conservative types as "right-wingers" with seeming impunity from your own "inflammatory rule"?

    Give me a reference to the comments you claim I made and then I can construct an appropriate reply.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:04 am on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Steve... can you please keep focused... were are in the year 2012... your history perspecive is interesting but it has nothing to do with your original point of what you stated his letter was about... I think my version is much close to reality... at least for the last 5 centuries.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 4:44 am on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2610

    The whole idea grows out of the Manicheistic Heresy that almost tore the early Christian Church apart which, in turn, grew not out of the Hebrew Old Testament but out of the Iranian Zoroasterism of the Persian Empire.

    WVAF may say he is a Christian and I suspect he may even believe he is a Christian but the traditions that shape his world view have nothing to do with Christ.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 4:30 am on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2610

    Darrell, if you believe, as WVAF does, that there is a literal living breathing Satan, than Evil and Satan are the same thing.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:08 am on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Steve Schmidt stated...Darrell, the letter is about the role of Satan and Santorum in politics...

    yet the opening paragraph, which is the indicator of what the letter is about says...

    Who would've thought the core issues of the upcoming election would be the evils of contraception, abortion and homosexual "marriage" all wrapped up in our God-given First Amendment freedoms of religion and speech, especially considering our dire economy, its resulting unemployment and our loss of strength in the world.

    I interpret this letter is about moral issues of the upcoming election. He was surprised considering the bad economy and that people's pocket books were thought to be the primary issues... Last paragraph in conclusion says...

    The world is divided into two factions, believers and unbelievers. Neither faction can divorce its values from anything and everything it does. So it falls on us to do our due diligence and choose wisely. It is eternally important that we do.

    Santorum and Satin are part of the letter, but not the sum of the letter as you stated.
    Counting the number of times Satin is in the bible is trivia and not to the point as well.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:47 pm on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Someone left thinking stated...Bill Maher is a Libertarian, not a Democrat
    Yet in a Bill Maher show with Andrew Breightbart as his guest, this dialogue took place in 2010...

    ANDREW BREITBART: So you're, you're officially not a Libertarian anymore, right? I mean, this position...
    MAHER: Well..
    BREITBART: ...has run so far from the Libertarian position. Is this, so you admit that you have more of a, you know, European socialist leaning perspective on this issue?
    (AUDIENCE LAUGHTER)
    BREITBART: Why is that funny?
    The look on Maher's face at this moment said it all:
    MAHER: I'm, I'm not afraid, it's not, I'm not afraid to say European socialism works.
    Exactly. Quite a strange position for a man that claims to be a Libertarian.
    In the end, Bill Maher has been hiding behind a Libertarian veil for years, but the reality is he's liberal through and through.
    No self-respecting Libertarian would support the government expansion Maher does. Far from it.
    And on September 24, 2010, Andrew Breitbart exposed Maher for what he really is.
    Nicely done, Andrew. Bravo!

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 8:02 pm on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2610

    Darrell, I know that you are not a religious guy but to dismiss the Bible as "trivia" seems a little soulless even for you.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 7:52 pm on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2610

    Darrell, the letter is about the role of Satan and Santorum in politics. If this issue has no interest for you, why are you commenting on Mr. Van Amber Field's letter?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:50 pm on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I stated below...catching trivia no one cares about

    To be clear, I should not have said nobody cares below, that is incorrect...
    The group who frequents this forum and appreciates left wing trivia do care.... my mistake... It''s a complete mystery and inexplicable to people who think and reason why they care ...but they obviously do. I should be more sensitive to their needs ...

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:41 pm on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ryan... you hit the Bobin nail squarely on the head.

    If the cat that represents Ms Bobin had six feathers protruding from each side of her mouth... two feathers laying in front of her with various bird remains, was asked why she ate the bird would only respond... " What bird"? Burp.

    I have to hand it to Mr Fields, all he has to do is blink and the left wing zealots instantly appear with their perceived words of wisdom. ( or lack of it)
    As Andrew stated, real issues are there for debate yet they are consumed focusing their attention about how many times Satan appears and patting each other on the back for catching trivia no one cares about... and the beat goes on...and the beat goes on.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 1:36 pm on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2610

    Andy, I would imagine the list of things WVAF and I agree upon would be exceedingly short.

     
  • Ryan Jameson posted at 1:29 pm on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Ryan Jameson Posts: 195

    Sorry my quote should say "right-wingnuts" as the inflammatory remark.

    Just don't be a hypocrite Joanne, that is all I ask

     
  • Ryan Jameson posted at 1:28 pm on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Ryan Jameson Posts: 195

    Add Joanne Bobin to the endless list of idealogues who DO NOT CARE for the information others provide as she will inevitably ignore it and keep on chanting the same worthless rhetoric. Tell me, Mrs. Bobin, why is it that when I make a snarky remark about Obama being "the supreme chancellor" as a way to express my view of his narcissism, that you attack such comments as "inflammatory" and they serve "no other purpose to inflame"? And then please explain to me why you can refer to religious conservative types as "right-wingers" with seeming impunity from your own "inflammatory rule"?

    For clarification this is a general attack on you Joanne and not necessarily on subject with this particular thread. I find that sharing information on this website is almost as useful as trying to stop muslims from burning things so I am not going to attempt it with this subject matter.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:01 pm on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Add Mr. Jameson to the list of individuals like Mr. Chapman and Mr. Baxter who only comment here to insult others and not add one bit of information to the discussion.

    And no, your comment still makes no sense as I would be neither the pot or the kettle. Those would be Republicans and Democrats, either in power or wanna-be's.

     
  • Ryan Jameson posted at 12:40 pm on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Ryan Jameson Posts: 195

    My comment makes perfect sense Joanne. But I would rather just stick to taking concise jabs at you rather than write a lengthy post that proves you wrong because you will just ignore your own faults and keep babbling on as if you weren't made to look like a fool by yours truly.

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 11:54 am on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    If you want to find reason to nullify the OT, Steve, then we have no argument. I can't imagine that WVAF feels the same way.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 11:33 am on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2610

    I have to admit that my inability to love William Van Amber Fields even a tiny little bit has been one of my great shortcomings as a Christian. I can only hope that when the day of judgement comes, God, in his wisdom, will consider my failure in its proper context and balance it with the great progress that I have made in loving Darrell, my other brother by another mother.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 11:16 am on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2610

    Andy, you have to judge Mathew 5:17 in the larger context of Mathew 5 and particularly in the context of Mathew 5:20 and Christ's relationship with the Pharisees. Taken as a whole, it is clear that this chapter is about a new relationship with God, not slavish adherence to the Old Covenant and its rituals. All of this is perfectly illustrated by Matthew 5:38-48, one of the most beautiful and frequently ignored passages in the entire Bible.

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 10:57 am on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Steve, we are agreed about the usage of the highly offensive S-word.

    However, regarding Old Testament gibberish, you might want to reread Matthew 5:17-19. It's easy to see why well educated and intelligent Christians would want to distance themselves from the OT, but Jesus embraced the ancient laws.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 10:30 am on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2610

    Andy Crowder wrote: "H.E.L.L. is considered profanity???? A mythological place is profane? Why then can I type Hades, Sheol, Gehenna, Tophet, and Oz?"

    And yet "santorum" a far more graphic word, presents no problems with the censors.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 10:29 am on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2610

    Andy Crowder wrote: "The Ten Commandments expressly forbid both. 'Thou shalt have no other gods before me' and 'Thou shalt not use the lord's name in vain' make it pretty clear that you'll burn in h.e.l.l before you get any First Amendment protection from Jesus."

    Andy, while I would agree that Moses was not a First Amendment sort of guy I would remind you that Christ came to establish a New Covenant. An Anglican priest once told me that the New Testament is a little like the British parliamentary system with Christ as the King and humans serving in Parliament. A very British point of view to be sure, but you get the point.

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 9:35 am on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Musto, Bill Maher is a Libertarian, not a Democrat.

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 9:25 am on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    H.E.L.L. is considered profanity???? A mythological place is profane? Why then can I type Hades, Sheol, Gehenna, Tophet, and Oz?

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 9:22 am on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    My favorite line is " . . . our God-given First Amendment freedoms of religion and speech . . ." The Ten Commandments expressly forbid both. 'Thou shalt have no other gods before me' and 'Thou shalt not use the lord's name in vain' make it pretty clear that you'll burn in h.e.l.l before you get any First Amendment protection from Jesus.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 9:21 am on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Obama's henchman David Axelrod will NOT be appearing with Bill Maher as planed, guess having one of Obama's team members sitting down with the new face of the Democrat party is something that doesn't set well with the electorate.

    The "War on Women" isn't helping the President as much as the lefty leftist thought, in a recent CBS/ NY Times poll showed that in the past week, Obama's favorable ratings tumbled from 50% to 41%, while his disapproval rose to 47%.


     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:11 am on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Great catch, Mr. Houdack & Mr. Schmidt. Thanks for my first really good laugh of the day!

    If you had REALLY thought about it, Mr. Jameson, your comment makes absolutely no sense at all.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:53 am on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Meanwhile, H.R. 347 and the evisceration of the 1st ammendment advances... http://youtu.be/fmoOh5m_NZA

     
  • Ryan Jameson posted at 7:49 am on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Ryan Jameson Posts: 195

    Joanne, are you the pot or the kettle?

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 6:04 am on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2610

    Actually Rick, in the course of Mr Field's short letter, the word "Satan" appears more times than it does in the entire Bible. Certainly, Mr Field's quixotic world view is representative of a minority of Christians but I don't think you can use the rantings of one man to dismiss an entire faith.

     
  • Rick Houdack posted at 4:37 am on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Rick Houdack Posts: 184

    Who would have dreamed that in the middle of another one of his sandwich-sign wearing, street corner-preaching, tin foil hat-wearing rants of crazy talk, Fields would accidently make a lucid statement, no matter how unintentional; but there it was when he said, "So if Satan is just fiction, then so is the Bible and Christ Jesus is a liar and fraud, and neither can be trusted."

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:32 am on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    WVAF wrote: "Who would've thought the core issues of the upcoming election would be the evils of contraception, abortion and homosexual "marriage" all wrapped up in our God-given First Amendment freedoms of religion and speech, especially considering our dire economy, its resulting unemployment and our loss of strength in the world."

    OK, these are the topics that WVAF consistently writes about, and NOW he is complaining that Republicans are focusing on these issues instead of giving us their solutions to the issues we SHOULD be talking about.

    Reason #1: Republicans have NO solutions and need these topics to divert attention from the fact that they don't know what to do about the economy, jobs, etc., in order to appeal to the right-wingnuts of their party like WVAF.

     

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