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Posted: Monday, June 9, 2014 10:54 pm

My letter is a response directed to the letter “Leave the judging to God,” by Anne Rogers, published May 22.

She wrote, “In fact, you’d be hard pressed to find homosexuality in the Bible as a sin.” Really, Ms. Rogers? My Bible reads, “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Do not be deceived”; then it lists nine categories of sin, of which one is “homosexuals.” Another passage reads it is an abomination for a man to lie with a man as with a woman.

The act of homosexuality is such an abomination to Almighty God that He destroyed a place called Sodom because all the men there performed homosexual acts and desired to have their perverse sexual activities with two angels of God.

This being said, the Bible encourages Christians to love the sinner but hate the sin. After all, every one of us falls short of God’s Glory and are sinners. The Bible as well as the church can instruct us what to do about our own personal sin.

This topic reminds me of what the serpent of old said, “You shall not surely die!”

F.W. “Bill” Stamos

Lodi

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61 comments:

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 7:59 pm on Sun, Jun 22, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1666

    Your deleted comment was a comment on my comment below to Joe "White males tend to feel very comfortable in society. Every one else would like to feel as comfortable."

     
  • M. Doyle posted at 1:52 pm on Mon, Jun 16, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 180

    Looks like the torch and pitchfork crowd has lost their fire. Once it is pointed out that no one is trying to deny their right to free speech and they are welcome to look down on anyone they choose, they have no reason to keep shouting. Do they have the right to do that? Yes. Is it good for society? No. Does anyone want to abridge their rights? No. Others are only asking for personal safety and the same rights you take for granted. But, the very next time a bigoted letter makes print, they will forget what we have discussed here, and stomp around waving their clubs again. Why?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:49 pm on Sat, Jun 14, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Seems my post was deleted, Mr. Heuer, and since I usually don't keep a copy, I don't remember what I said originally.

    Seems to happen a lot lately. Simon Birch will let all manner of garbage that includes personal attacks, off-topic comments, insults - you name it - from Liebich and Baxxter - the automatically get a pass, but he hates my comments and often refuses to post them or deletes them.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:43 pm on Sat, Jun 14, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [thumbup][beam]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:08 pm on Sat, Jun 14, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1666

    Ms Bobin
    Point well taken. But my illustration was aimed at how white males (including me) know no barriers in society as gays who find themselves threatened with legislation that say a business can refuse service and/or jobs to them based on religion. Other legislation aimed at racial profiling in Arizona and New York would never be aimed at white males where no crime occurred. Tea Party members like Rand Paul have even advocated that business' should be allowed to deny service to particular racial or gay groups or even, heaven forbid, atheists if they so choose and not even under the guise of religion. White males (as a group) are not likely to see laws passed that allow others to deny them service or jobs.

    You are right that psychologically anyone so hateful of others are victims of their own self inflicted barrier's.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:55 pm on Sat, Jun 14, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1666

    You might increase your sexual options but don't place too much hope on an increased sex life. "A date with anyone" might be an over reach.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:47 pm on Sat, Jun 14, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1666

    The great Wa
    No greater honor

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:43 pm on Sat, Jun 14, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1666

    6,000 + results and mine came faster. A complete waste of time since this was not about the LTE topic; homosexuality. Your Obama bash doesn't relate. Its an old story and Google results reflect sources that are similar or even beneath Infowars if thats possible.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 6:00 pm on Fri, Jun 13, 2014.

    the old dog Posts: 614

    I wouldn`t mind being bisexual, that being the case, I could get a date with anyone. [beam]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 12:01 pm on Fri, Jun 13, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 1171

    M. Doyle [thumbup][thumbup]

    Thomas Heuer [thumbup][thumbup]

    [beam]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:45 am on Fri, Jun 13, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Homosexuality is the topic.[sleeping]

    Does the fact that he resigned change the fact that Obama appointed him? I asked if you approved?

    P.S. A Google search of 'Obama’s Safe School Czar Apologizes for Hiding Case of Pedophilia' will yield about 6,360 results in 0.71 seconds.
    [sleeping]

     
  • M. Doyle posted at 9:52 am on Fri, Jun 13, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 180

    Let's envisage Joe Baxter's utopia where everyone has the right to freely discriminate against anyone with a "lifestyle" they disagree. The Christian Neo-Nazi who owns the ambulance service refuses to transport Jewish victims of a hit and run and leaves them to die on the pavement. Another fundamentalist (any religion of your choice) who owns the pharmacy will not fill birth control prescriptions for a married woman without children (she's thwarting God's plan to be fruitful) or single women. An emergency room doctor becomes a Jehovah's Witness and refuses a blood transfusion for your dying child. All over town bigots have signs on their businesses that say "We do not serve illegal immigrants," but what it means is that anyone with an accent is turned away. In a big city, these businesses will go under, but in every small-minded town in America, minorities do not feel safe, hard-working, law-abiding average folks are unable to find basic services, and a whole class of people become second class citizens. That's a bigot's dream, huh Joe.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:03 am on Fri, Jun 13, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Aside from the fact that this man resigned 3 years ago - no one has ever claimed that he was pro-pedophilia, Mr. Liebich.

    And you are off topic and once again the LNS has condoned your offensive, libelous and ridiculous comments.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:47 am on Fri, Jun 13, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1666

    Mr Doyle [thumbup]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:42 am on Fri, Jun 13, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1666

    So, Joey, you've got some explaining to do.
    "Heterophobies"?? Please explain.
    "GAY MILITIA "?? Please explain.
    Hard to respond to questions when all the terms aren't clear.
    "Gay agenda" is an elusive idea as well.

    White males tend to feel very comfortable in society. Every one else would like to feel as comfortable. Make sense?

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:34 am on Fri, Jun 13, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1591

    Joey there is no reason to be tolerant of the intolerant. I'm sure those business owners would like to have it both ways but that aint gonna happen.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:21 am on Fri, Jun 13, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999


    Does the kool-aid brigade also approve of Obama's homosexual fan of pedophilia "Safe School Czar"...[ohmy]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:05 pm on Thu, Jun 12, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1903

    So, Tommy, you approve of the GAY MILITIA out to ruin businesses and reputations because they don't approve of their lifestyle? Kind of dispels the tolerance that gays preach. They want tolerance for THEIR agenda only.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 2:04 pm on Thu, Jun 12, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1666

    Thank you Ms Welch. You're very kind.

     
  • M. Doyle posted at 1:16 pm on Thu, Jun 12, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 180

    I agree with you completely, Mr. Heuer.
    This is the problem with hate speech. Yes, the first amendment gives us the right in nearly every case to say and think whatever we'd like, but publicly denigrating whole groups of people is not good for society. Cross burnings, hateful letters to the editor, public sermons which slander our friends and neighbors, and picketing aimed at minority groups make law abiding citizens feel unsafe and robbed of their freedom. When it happens en masse, it serves to justify mistreatment of others. Lynchings, witch trials, attacks on just about every racial and religious group, assaults and murders of LGBT citizens, and genocides are all initiated by persistent hate speech. I wholeheartedly support the first amendment, but with these rights comes responsibility for the safety of ourselves and our fellow citizens.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:47 am on Thu, Jun 12, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1666

    Joe
    "Heterophobies"?? Please explain.
    You don't get it Joe. Its not pro-homosexual, its pro-people. And dare I say that includes you.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 10:33 am on Thu, Jun 12, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 437

    [thumbup]

    Wow, Thomas. You have an incredible ability to express yourself and your writings continue to be thoughtful, concise, and fair. Have you ever considered writing for a living? Perhaps the Lodi News Sentinel could give you a column!

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:56 am on Thu, Jun 12, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1903

    The "usual" heterophobies chime in with their expected pro-homosexual platform. The accusation of "hate speech" in expressing ones preferences is just plain ignorant and is getting pretty tiresome. Are homosexuals bigots because they don't approve of the heterosexual way of life? Or is it a "one way" agenda akin to caucasians are racists and bigots but not blacks? Liberals are so gullible.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:12 am on Thu, Jun 12, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1666

    Mr Doyle [thumbup]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:07 am on Thu, Jun 12, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "But now we (mostly Christians) are being attacked because of our beliefs - beliefs that are still protected by the First Amendment in this country."

    I can't help but think that Mr. Kinderman actually longs for a day when Christians are once again sent to the arena to face the lions so he can prove the above statement is real and not contrived.

     
  • M. Doyle posted at 8:13 am on Thu, Jun 12, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 180

    No one cares what your religion has to say about anything, Brian, not even other Christians. The tenets of your particular church only matter to those who attend. There are more than 33,000 different Christian denominations and no two can agree on what constitutes sin--Yaweh was not a very good communicator. Nevertheless, the concept of sin is meaningless in the secular world; mythological stories conjured up by illiterate ancient goat herders sitting around a fire have no bearing on morality or modern day public laws. If it makes you feel better, go ahead and argue about sin with other folks like yourself who feel they were born dirty, vile, broken, and sinful. The rest of us who were born ok the first time are not interested.

     
  • Rick Houdack posted at 6:53 am on Thu, Jun 12, 2014.

    Rick Houdack Posts: 184

    Seems legit;

    RIGHT: "By the way, we are not supposed to keep our faith within churches. In fact, we are supposed to attempt to win souls for Christ." - Jerome Kinderman

    WRONG: "Do not do as the hypocrites do for they love to pray publicly standing on street corners to be seen by others." - Jesus Christ

    Stand by as more corrections to the word of God are issued.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 5:24 pm on Wed, Jun 11, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1666

    I would be first to defend a personss intellectual freedoms and right to religion even though I feel religion is a human frailty. But I also feel people have their rights to pursue their own happiness and if it harms no one that freedom should be theirs. Writing letters to the editor denigrating a group of people or individuals is an attempt to rob them of their freedoms and ralley others to agree. We allowed that to happen to the native Americans, the African Americans, the Japanese Americans, the Mexican Americans, the Chinese Americans, the catholics, the mormons AND the Jews and others. We continue to devalue women including the armed forces where it has allowed sexual abuse and rape to go on.

    I will say it again you can quote the bible all you like, you can talk to all the people you like about your bible I really don't care. But when you begin pointing in public (LTE) to people you feel are going against your set of beliefs (no matter how hypocritical) and making hurtful comments toward them you are the aggressor. THEY HAVE RIGHTS and feelings. I could tell you what I think about religion and religious people but why would I want to be hurtful. I still would defend your right to your beliefs. Your religious beliefs are protected and no one wants to take them away least of all me. I do wish you would give them up on your own but thats another topic.

    I don't think much of those that believe in aliens and flying saucers but I'm not going to write an LTE saying how I think they have really taken a wrong path. Who am I to say. And I could find many books that I could quote from to bolster my opinion as well. I could find others who would share my opinion and enough of us could probably muster some legislation to limit the number of TV progams devoted to aliens and flying saucers. Just like we've done to so many groups where we began by casting aspersions toward them, because thats how it all begins.

     
  • M. Doyle posted at 3:46 pm on Wed, Jun 11, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 180

    When you INSIST that everyone hide their sexuality in the bedroom, are you proposing a ban on hand holding in public? Warm embraces? An arm around a shoulder or waist? A quick kiss in greeting? I doubt it. What you want is a double standard. Straight folks free to express their fondness for one another, but gay folks hidden away in the dark.

    Let me make a proposal Mr. Kinderman. How about if you follow Jesus's words and keep your praying in the bedroom behind a closed door instead. According to the Bible, only hypocrites pray in churches and on street corners.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 2:38 pm on Wed, Jun 11, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Jerome,

    Well said. And to add, Now that Ms. Bobbin and her ilk can no longer make the case that Homosexuality is no longer a sin BECAUSE Jesus's new covenant never said nor did it imply it is no longer a sin. Now, they want to focus away from this because they are wrong.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 12:51 pm on Wed, Jun 11, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1591

    Hard to ignore you when you keep espousing your beliefs ad nauseam.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:32 am on Wed, Jun 11, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    By the way, we are not supposed to keep our faith within churches. In fact, as Christians we're supposed to attempt to win souls for Christ. What would you say if I insisted that all homosexuals should keep their sexuality to their bedrooms? Of course I believe that would be the decent thing to do - for ALL of us - but with all of the parades coming up near the end of this month especially in the Bay Area, it would be difficult to cancel them at such a late date. Talk about hypocrisy Mr. Heuer.

    Oh - but "sex for sex sake" is not wrong at all. In fact, I believe it's God's wedding gift to all of us; otherwise why would it be so enjoyable; so much fun? God simply intended it to be confined to one man and one woman through the sanctity of marriage. But in this so-called "enlightened" time we find ourselves, it seems like no one can keep it private. And those who do are considered prudish. It seems that almost every month we lose a little more of our decency.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:36 am on Wed, Jun 11, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    Yes, yes, YES!!! Sinners ALL!!! "For ALL have sinned and come short of the Glory of God." (Romans 3:23) And we who not only believe this but believe it to be important also believe that marriage is of God - this is why we believe that marriage should be reserved for one man and one woman. In NO WAY is this hateful or "hate speech." In fact, that idea is just plain stupid.

    Furthermore, I challenge ANYONE to point to any post here (or anywhere else for that matter) where I set forth the notion that God hates homosexuals. I've never stated it because I do not believe it. God wants EVERYONE to live in His presence once we die. As far as I'm concerned, our priorities are so backward it isn't funny at all. So few are concerned about what comes next as we travel through the universe that they mock the very idea of God and His gift of Salvation through the death of His Son.

    How many times have I suggested that those who don't want to believe as we do should simply ignore us? But now we (mostly Christians) are being attacked because of our beliefs - beliefs that are still protected by the First Amendment in this country. But hey, we've got it easy here. What of those who actually put their lives on the line each day through their belief in Christ in countries that actually do persecute them and then kill them? Are they still sinners? You betcha - but they're also martyrs. And they will be given special places in Heaven.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 10:26 pm on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 437

    Things that were once vices are now habits... so true, Ed. And, yes, let it go and get on with your life and let others get on with theirs. Just live and let live already!

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 10:19 pm on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 437

    You nailed it, Thomas! I don't think there could be a better explanation of how these letters from Mr Stamos and the like are truly hate speech. It is the intent and direction that these people take the Bible that is the problem, not the Bible itself. Thank you for your wisdom and insight.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:58 pm on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Fair enough, Ms. Bobbin. At least you're admitting homosexuality is a sin. Are you now backpeddling on your stance that heterosexuals have the right to have sex without the intent of procreation? What about the right to free expression? Do you no longer believe in recreational sex because it's a sin? And are you aware whether homosexuals are married or not, homosexuality will alwa

     
  • Rick Houdack posted at 6:51 pm on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    Rick Houdack Posts: 184

    There you go, Bill. Now is your big chance to impress everyone, including proving to the big man in the clouds, that you are not just cherry picking verses you like. Follow all of the scriptures and fame can be yours.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:24 pm on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 1171

    "in the long run, it's probably bad for the newspaper as well"

    Yes, I think they know that.

    Catering to the distasteful attitudes of their paying subscribers only makes since in the short term.

    But they're dying off and the paper will need to replace them with new susbcirbers.

    The offerings will have to be taylored accordingly for this younger and more tolerant demographic.

    I imagine a future someday soon...

    When the hateful mumblings of the angry will no longer be welcome!

    [lol]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:23 pm on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 1171


    "we will NOT go down without a fight"

    Folks, the blogging will continue until further notice.

    [smile]

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 4:09 pm on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    the old dog Posts: 614

    The writer of this tells of Sodom being destroyed due to sex's acts by men with other men, that being the case, I am surprised SF is still standing. Evidently there were two Sodom's as I recall Sodom and Gomora being destroyed and turned into a pillar of salt. Who dreams up these fables up.

    Letters of this type should be banned from the LNS since people seem to go off the deep end, and I can read rage in there statements. The bible is indeed a book of fables, none of which can be proven. One letter writer does not believe in the bones found from animals millions of years old, he`s right, the ones in the Smithsonian are made of plastic and the painting on the walls in a cave were done by some tweekers with cans of spray paint.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:58 pm on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Do you agree, Mr. Kinderman, that sex for sex's sake is also wrong?

    How many times have "believers" had sexual intercourse NOT intending to procreate?

    Sinners, all!!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:56 pm on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Because they don't really know WHAT is in their Bible. And if they do, they certainly don't UNDERSTAND it. Bible study = brainwashing. And the average Bible studiers are prone to the brainwashing techniques.

    They swallow it hook, line, and sinker since they have no ability to think for themselves. All, just searching for a reason to justify their own prejudices. And the Bible is THEIR answer.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:50 pm on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    You just don't get it, eh, Mr. Kindseth?

    Besides, the publishers of the LNS can, and will, and have, blocked free speech. It is their paper, their rules, and YOU can't do anything about it!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:49 pm on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [thumbup][thumbup]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:49 pm on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [thumbup]

    Hooray!!

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:17 pm on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    Where's the hate in this letter? It's nothing but an interpretation of what the Holy Bible says about homosexuality. In a word, homosexual behavior is "wrong." I agree with it.

    Now for those of you who don't believe in the Holy Bible, what's the problem? All you need to do is move along. Sure, you are entitled to leave your opinions as well. In fact, I welcome you with open arms - not that you need my permission. Oh, and the same pertains to us - we don't need your "ok" either.

    But the day that anyone's true religious beliefs are deemed to be "hate speech" or any other silly political correctness, that's the day when the United States will cease to be the nation it was envisioned by the Founder's. Unfortunately, I believe we've already crossed that line with so many other things this particular administration has done to us. But the First Amendment - above all others (in my opinion) - is the most important in the Bill of Rights. The right to speak and think as we choose; the right to believe and practice religion as we choose; and the right to a free press - these are all seminal parts of who and what we are as a nation. But hear us well - we will NOT go down without a fight. Is that a threat? No, not at all - it is a promise. For well over two hundred years men and women have fought and many have died so that those rights are protected. Don't think for one second that it will be this administration that will bring us down.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 12:53 pm on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 1171

    Folks, when outspoken angry bloggers reference the bible to rationalize their hatred...

    Why does it feel so contrived and insincere???

    Just asking...

    [smile]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:52 pm on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1666

    You can quote the bible, the constitution, etc all day long if you like. I don't think anyone is saying that that is hate speech. Go ahead quote from Psalm in this section. Will that be considered hateful? Not usually. You'll mostly get a big yawn.

    But when you direct your quotes hurtfully and denigrate against others in your community then it is hate speech. When the bible quoting does the finger wagging it is not meant in a peaceful way. Thats what churches are for.

    This is something I never understand about ardent religious followers. When they have found for themselves a guide book for their lives and choose to live their lives by it then feel it is necessary to make, and yes force if they can (legislative or otherwise), other people to follow the same guidance. If you decide homosexuality is not for you then thats your choice, don't do it. Who are you to say that someone else can't follow a different guide book.

    This antagonistic religiosity continues to turn people away. The very arguing between christians, in this care Anne Rogers, shows the bible is not a reliable guide book. We seem to have diferent versions.

    It is notable all the arguing christians in the early centuries needed Constantine to "dictate" the ASSEMBLAGE of a single bible, choosing what to include and not to include. It took Martin Luthor's protesting to divide it all up into multiple protestant denominations again. And they keep adding new interpretations like 7thDay Adventists, Jehovahs Witness, Christian Scienists,and Mormons.

    Please when the argument is about disrespectful speech towards others don't do the Fox News obfuscation by throwing in the constitution as part of what is being discussed. After all the constitution is a more people friendly document.

    Like I say its not bible quotes, its the intent and direction. We've been over this before that singling out homosexuality without justifying your failing to stone adulterers really goes a long ways to pointing out gay bashing, and thats hate speech. I don't care what you try to justify it with, the bible or the 1st amendment. When Jesus said to love one another you competely ignore this and go right to the desert dwellers dictates to find your attack or "clobber" quotes. Please quit disparaging the LGBT community and the folks in your community.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 12:52 pm on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 1171

    "I won't sit idly by"

    Brian, you're right.

    You'll huff and you'll puff. You'll bark and you'll growl.

    But no matter how hard you try..

    You and your "peer group" will never be able to put the genie back in the bottle!!

    [beam]

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 12:39 pm on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    the old dog Posts: 614

    While I do not agree with any quotes from the Bible, some do. If Homosexuality is a sin, most states now have allowed people of the same sex to marry, the flood gates have opened, meaning there are more sinners now than before and their numbers continue to grow. Evidently getting married is less of a sin than living together would be. I would suggest that all the non-sinners ( if there are any) just let it go and get on with your life and let other people get on with theirs. It`s only a sin if those that post think otherwise. Taking care of yourself is a full time job, without judging others. Doyle suggests that Homosexuality is a small group, not anymore. Even Harvey Milk is getting a US Postage Stamp. Similar to smoking weed, at one time it was against the law, not anymore, remember, things that were once vices are now habits. [wink]

     
  • M. Doyle posted at 11:22 am on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 180

    Either they support the hate speech or they are desperate to fill page real estate. When the advertisers begin to complain, maybe there will be a change in attitude. It's very unfortunate that they contribute to racism and homophobia in our local community. It's bad for everyone who lives here, and in the long run, it's probably bad for the newspaper as well.

     
  • M. Doyle posted at 10:56 am on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 180

    I said nothing about the Fairness Doctrine.

     
  • M. Doyle posted at 10:55 am on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 180

    What are you going to do about it?

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:51 am on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1591

    For starters it is actually illegal to discriminate based on sexual orientation but pointing out harassment and/or discrimination is perfectly legal in fact it is protected behavior, that is California Law. I don't want to get into a 1st amendment argument just pointing out that society has deemed certain behaviors illegal and you are on the wrong side of that argument as is the LNS. You can believe whatever you want but harassment is clearly not allowed.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:49 am on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    It's interesting that so may Biblical "scholars" talk about the sin of homosexuality, but most likely ignore the other Biblical proclamation that any sexual activity between man and wife NOT for the intent of procreation is also a sin.

    How many of those writing letters regarding the "sin of homosexuality" are guilty of that? Most, likely. But remember, "Christians aren't perfect, but are forgiven."

    Hypocrisy at its best!!

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:53 am on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1591

    Sure he would he posts Pittsburgh Joe racist rants all the time I would imagine Joe gets paid for the honor. It is strange how we are asked to be respectful in our responses but any sort of hateful letter can find it's way into this paper.

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 9:16 am on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    John Kindseth Posts: 245

    Marty & Rich Hanner:

    I hope we don't reach the point when quotes from the Bible, Constitution, Bill of Rights or other commonly recognized document is labeled "hate speech".

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:06 am on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    I'm won't sit idly by while Mr. Doyle insists the newspaper institutes the Fairness Doctrine.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:02 am on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Why does the newspaper continue to publish comments that say, in so many words, we should not be allowed to point out the obvious that homosexuality is a sin?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:57 am on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    M. Doyle,

    Yes, Homosexuals are a minority group. And, yes homosexuality is a sin. The point is, there are many other small groups of people that commit sins each and every day. So why do I not hear you calling it hate speech for these people?

     
  • M. Doyle posted at 6:27 am on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 180

    Why does this newspaper continue to publish hate speech? Would you publish a similar letter aimed at any other minority group, Marty?

     

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