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Posted: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:32 am, Tue Oct 2, 2012.

I've read factless letters sent into this paper warning against a worldwide takeover by the United Nations, of "birthers" insisting that President Obama is not an American citizen and that he's really a Muslim, that undocumented immigrants are overrunning the country and that a conspiracy exists in covering up the "true" nature of the 9/11 tragedy.

What is factual are the statistics that denounce the growing disparity in the distribution of wealth in our country. Examples: The Walton family of Walmart fame has acquired more wealth than the entire bottom 40 percent of the American population; the top 1 percent of American families own 41 percent of America's total wealth; and the bottom 60 percent of Americans own less than 2 percent of said wealth.

Republicans and Democrats must take responsibility for this unrelenting attack of our democratic process. The Democrats have done too little to support and strengthen America's middle class, yet the Republicans act the part of puppets for the wealthiest sector of the country. The fact is that the growth in wealth disparity is at least 30 years in the making, but has been accelerated by the depression brought on by the trillions lost fighting two unwinnable and dishonorable wars (I refer to policy here, not our loyal troops on the ground) coupled with the housing crash and financial collapse launched by the eight-year Bush presidency and Republican-controlled Congress (Bush's wars were timidly supported by Democrats, but the financial bailouts all came out of Bush's office).

It took FDR four administrations and World War II to get America out of the Great Depression; it'll take a lot more than a four-year presidency to get us out of the mess we're in and lean the country toward a solvent, nonviolent direction. As has been described, I'm hard-pressed to disagree that this presidential election is a choice between "a disaster and a catastrophe." I can say that whether or not he's a disaster or a catastrophe, given the 47 percent remarks made by and the vulgar equivocation displayed by Mr. Romney, President Obama will have my vote.

John Armenta

Lockeford

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88 comments:

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:53 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Lucas posted at 6:27 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012... I percieve this as a falsehood....Score this post...Falsehoods 1


    Clearly you did not give me the points you should have. Only one point?? without question, I earned 10 points in this one post. You only gave me one... I'm insulted.

    Le time help out here... clearly, in the world according to Lucas, I deserve more...lets analyze

    1. (2 points) It's why in reality I correct your misunderstandings In your view, I am not correcting you, I have other motives...and...you do not have misunderstandings, you know it is true.
    2. (1 point) Of course, I always do ( in reference to doing the right thing)...clearly, you think I have no character and intend harm, therefore you are thinking I rarely do
    3. (2 points) I have not posted a lie, not one single time. This is a whopper in your perspective...one point for saying I have not posted a lie then another bonus point for wild exaggeration saying not one single time.
    4. (1 point) It is only your perception. Obviously, you do not perceive it, you know it.
    5. ( 1 point) in reality, I think very highly of you … In your reality, can't be accurate.
    6. (1 point) I know I would enjoy your company.. you must be thinking... yah, right...
    7. ( 1 point) you have a compassionate character... why in the world would I think that, after all I have pointed out various situations where that is in conflict.
    8. ( 1 point) When I am around people like you, I never discuss politics, that's all... In your view, I would not have the intelligence to control to be that disciplined... after all, teabaggers are morans and idiots, right?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:27 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Darrell said:

    I have not posted a lie, not one single time. It is only your perception.

    I percieve this as a falsehood
    [smile]

    Score this post
    Falsehoods 1
    --------------------------------------------------------------

    Darrell's boxscore

    Posts 7
    Falsehoods 13
    Misrepresentations 1
    Unwarranted personal attacks 4


     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:12 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Joe Baxter stated... stated.... I can't wait until Ryan skewers Brain Dead Biden. Biden couldn't win a debate with a fence post.

    Joe, that is just not true, you need to be fair.

    Biden could easily win a debate with a fence post... as long as MSNBC was keeping the score.

    I could just see the analysis (spin) of the debate...... Rachel Maddow would state... clearly Mr Post won the debate, I recorded 99% of content as lies by Paul Ryan. Admirably, Mr Fence Post was a breath of fresh air and did not lie once.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:33 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Of course, I always do!!!!!! Its why in reality I correct your misunderstandings.
    I have not posted a lie, not one single time. It is only your perception.

    Perception and reality are often at odds by nature. For example, I would bet you perceive if we ever met in person, our meeting would not be pleasant from my perspective.

    In reality, I think very highly of you and know I would enjoy your company as you have a compassionate character. When I am around people like you, I never discuss politics, thats all.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:25 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Do what you think is right Darrell.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:50 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Thank you for your perceived falsehood on my part. Since you insist on keeping the score so low, I will volunteer my time to help you along. I will soon begin to evaluate your analysis and demonstrate how your claimed point count is much lower than you claim. You have failed to accurately record the numbers. Please be more accurate as with numbers this low, it is embarrassing. The falsehoods below are well over 100 yet you only show 13... get with it Mr Lucas, be accurate.[thumbup]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:57 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    John Lucas' Boxscore

    Falsehoods 1

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:57 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Reminds me of old programming classes involving Boolean logic [smile]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:45 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Actually your statement is correct. As I do not count your statement as false if I just disagree with your statement is actually correct. sorry about that Darrell. I will adjust the score.

    Darrell's boxscore

    Posts 7
    Falsehoods 12
    Misrepresentations 1
    Unwarranted personal attacks 4

    Reminds me of all programming classed involving Boolean logic
    [smile]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:48 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Darrell said:

    If Mr Heuer and Lucas say "A" and I disagree and state"B", they could that as misrepresentation or lies... so obviously their count is way too low... get on the ball Mr Lucas, you are slipping

    Counting something as a falsehood has nothing to with whether one disagrees with it. It has nothing to do with the politics of the statement. A statement that is a falsehood is simply not true on its merits. Your statement that if I counted the statements you make that I disagree with as falsehoods that your falsehood count would be much higher is true. That is why in 7 posts I have only been able to come up with 13 clear and unimpeachable falsehoods.

    Your statement is a falsehood

    Score this post
    Falsehoods 1
    --------------------------------------------------------------

    Darrell's boxscore

    Posts 7
    Falsehoods 13
    Misrepresentations 1
    Unwarranted personal attacks 4

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:24 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    My bet offer still remains

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:20 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Does ObamaCare cover a "kicked b u t t"? A Conservative making a liberal look stupid, doesn't get much better. I can't wait until Ryan skewers Brain Dead Biden. Biden couldn't win a debate with a fence post.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:22 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Mr Chapman said:

    Obama's whole life and tenure as the occupier of the Oval Office has been one big lie after another.

    Your statement is a falsehood.
    Your statement is an unwarranted personal attack

    Score this post
    Falsehoods 1
    Unwarranted personal attacks 1

    --------------------------------------------------------------

    Mr Chapman's boxscore

    Posts 1
    Falsehoods 1
    Unwarranted personal attacks 1

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 11:38 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Obama's whole life and tenure as the occupier of the Oval Office has been one big lie after another. Fact checking shows BOTH "manipulated facts and statistics" so to say Obama told nothing but truths last nite is a LIE.

     
  • stan taves posted at 11:30 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    Interesting analysis. I think that Obama may be overwhelmed by the chaos emanating from his ill-conceived foreign policy. He is tired; he's tired of trying to spin his way out of his own delirium. He might still win, even though 1/2 of the country understands the extent of his ineptitude.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:08 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Interesting. We shall see who laughs last. Mr Romney had to lie and disassemble much to achieve this debate "win". In this "win" he has sown the seeds of his defeat at the polls. Until this debate "win" I thought he had a chance. I no longer do. My bet offer still remains

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 8:56 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    I am wondering if Obama made an appointment with his proctologist this morning to remove Mitt Romney's foot. The "Dear Leader" looked like a stumbling bum in last nite's debate, often looking at his shoes (or perhaps his blackberry) while Romney handed him a solid defeat. Even the LIBERAL press concedes Obama was pathetic and easily lost the debate. Perhaps he will issue a presidential edict allowing teleprompters at the next debate.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:08 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Heuer stated...I just take anything he says as nonsense not worthy of any consideration

    Mr Lucas stated... What I like is that I can just analyze what he says calmly and logically without any emotion and in a non political way.

    How funny... with narrow minded people like this, my score is way too low. Imagine anyone thinking I have not contested the accuracy of what they consider facts. If Mr Heuer and Lucas say "A" and I disagree and state"B", they could that as misrepresentation or lies... so obviously their count is way too low... get on the ball Mr Lucas, you are slipping[beam]

    As far as spelling, how fun... nothing bothers a person with a superiority complex more than posting information without proof reading...

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:42 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1478

    Darrells score isn't looking good John but its true he is absolutely wrong on all counts. You are to be commended for trying to keeping a score. I just take anything he says as nonsense not worthy of any consideration. Since he is only a gamer here you can't expect any substance let alone truth from him. Nor can you be surprised by a person who posts "I noticed Mr Lucas is attempting to hide the posts he made on the daily Kos re Ms Neely,sister. Good thing I made screen shots to perserve his thoughts... will come in handy I think." as someone who posess character.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:13 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Darrell said:

    Mr Lucas stated...I am sorry you did not approve of killing Ben Laden..
    Oh but I did. Thanks to George W, the foundation was laid through constant work by our brave militar to eventually acghieve success. .
    Obama had nothing to do with it.

    President Obama as Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces ordered the raid on Ben Laden. The buck stops there and it was his ultimate responsibility. Jimmy Carter took responsibility for the failure of the mission in Iran.Both John McCain and Mitt Romney criticized candidate Obama when he said he would go into Pakistan if he had a chance to get Ben Laden. There is some doubt that they would have done what Obama did if given the opportunity. George Bush had 7 years to get Ben Laden and failed. Your statement fails all logical tests.

    Your statement is a falsehood
    -------------------------------------------------------------------
    Darrell said:

    Obama was too busy playing golf and sipping wine coolers to actually get the job done.

    The job got done at his command.

    Your statement is a falsehood

    You are saying that Obama spends his time playing gold and sipping wine coolers. This is clearly a falsehood and an unwarranted personal attack

    Your statement is an unwarranted personal attack

    Score this post
    Falsehoods 2
    Unwarranted personal attacks 1

    --------------------------------------------------------------

    Darrell's boxscore

    Posts 6
    Falsehoods 12
    Misrepresentations 1
    Unwarranted personal attacks 4


     
  • stan taves posted at 9:04 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    Yo Jo, are you trippin'? My comments aren't controversial. You would like to make an argument where one can not exist. You will stroke your absurdity as though it might find life. Give it up Jo -- it's dead.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:44 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I notice you are unable to challenge any of them. Your silence on the nuts and bolts of what I am saying speaks volumes. You are right thought it is a game. I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh while driving truck. I would count up the falsehoods in order to stay awake. I read your posts and just document the falsehoods and keep a running count. It is fun actually.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:42 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Lucas stated...I am sorry you did not approve of killing Ben Laden..

    Oh but I did. Thanks to George W, the foundation was laid through constant work by our brave militar to eventually acghieve success. .

    Obama had nothing to do with it. It is akin to a parade in progress going down the street with Obama jumping in front of the parade to lead...Obama did nothing but give approval. It was the professional team of soldiers that can hardly be classified as liberal that killed Bin Laden. When military personnel ,who actually were responsible for the good news in killing this man, could say, mission accomplished, conservatives celebrates this good news by praising the people who took the action... the military... Obama was too busy playing golf and sipping wine coolers to actually get the job done.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:38 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [thumbup]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:32 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Please Mr Lucas... faslehoods that you state I have made must be closer to 78... your figure is much too low. I feel insulted that you have not credited me a higher number. You are off your game[beam]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 3:10 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1478

    Applause

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:09 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Darrell said:

    The results and reality of what liberals did just happens to be all bad news.

    I am sorry you did not approve of killing Ben Laden. Most Americans would disagree with you however

    This is a falsehood
    ------------------------------------------------------------
    Darrell said:
    If they eliminated bad news from the campaign, all we would hear is the sounds of silence.

    There are many commercials and speeches about Ben Laden, the successful auto industry rescue, that kids can stay on their parents health insurance until 26, the cutting in half the inflation rate of the cost of health insurance in the last two years, the refunds from health insurance companies, the refunds for seniors for their prescriptions, the creating of more private sector jobs in 3 3/4 years than Bush did in 8 years. The list goes on and on

    This is a falsehood
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    Darrell said:
    Conservatives would love good news, after Nov. elections, it will once again return with Obama packing his bags for Indonesia.

    This clearly an unwarranted personal attack with no factual basis suggesting that Obama is not an American and would be more at home in Indonesia.

    This is an unwarranted personal attack


    Score this post
    Falsehoods 2
    Unwarranted personal attacks 1 --------------------------------------------------------------

    Darrell's boxscore

    Posts 5
    Falsehoods 10
    Misrepresentations 1
    Unwarranted personal attacks 3

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:41 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Taves wrote: "Joanne. I am suggesting that those without skills can fill lower skilled jobs with a minimal amount of effort. What is missing is the effort -- something that you should put towards your blogs. Come see me Joanne; we need to talk."

    It truly is sad that we have another blogger here with a superiority complex. I don't know how old you are, Mr. Taves - I'm thinking maybe 70's or 80's, but you obviously, through your arrogance, think you "know it all."

    The point of my comment was that farm workers are NOT unskilled, yet you cling to the concept that just any unemployed person off the street can fill the bill.

    Who DO YOU think the 23 million unemployed, and especially the UNDER employed, that Willard Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan always refer to are? UNDER employed, as if you are not aware, are people working in jobs that are either below their skill levels or outside their skill levels and are more easily filled, most likely due to low wages.

    The Republican/Conservative mantra that people are lazy and would prefer to live off of the public dole is really getting old. Yes, there are many people out there without the "can-do" attitude it takes to start over or even get started, but to write off almost half of the population, as Willard Mitt Romney has, is disgraceful.

    There is no place in this country for a man who believes that and wants to be president of the US.

    And, NO, we do not need to talk. I know too many like you and the world is worse for those who think as you do.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:54 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Heuer stated…Conservatives (and some libedrtarians) can't handle any good news. Bad news has been their only campaign strategy

    Actually, the campaign strategy for the right is to talk about what Obama inflicted on America…The results and reality of what liberals did just happens to be all bad news. If they eliminated bad news from the campaign, all we would hear is the sounds of silence.

    The liberal campaign is just the opposite. They avoid talking about the results of their policies and focus on attack ads on Romney… Conservatives would love good news, after Nov. elections, it will once again return with Obama packing his bags for Indonesia.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 12:02 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1387

    Thomas: Exactly!!!

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:00 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1478

    Conservatives (and some libedrtarians) can't handle any good news. Bad news has been their only campaign strategy and have been trying to create bad news (obstructing any meaningful action in congess) all along. So any good news is seen as a threat to their efforts. Any good news is despite their best efforts to demolish the country and blame it on Obama. Their rational? Whites feel guilty so they want to vote for a black man as Brian alludes to above and as the movie "Obama 2016" declares. Its pathetic the depths of their depravity.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:29 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    The article speaks to whether blacks would come out at 96% if Obama were white. Probably not somewhere closer to 90%. the real question is how many whites would not voter him if he were white. I think that number would more than make up for the other. I think if he were white the race would not even be close.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:47 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1478

    Conservatives can't handle any good news. Bad news has been their only campaign strategy and have been trying to create bad news (obstructing any meaningful action in congess) all along. So any good news is seen as a threat to their efforts. Any good news is despite their best efforts to demolish the country and blame it on Obama. Their rational? Whites feel guilty so they want to vote for a black man as Brian alludes to above and as the movie "Obama 2016" declares. Its pathetic the depths of their depravity.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:15 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1478

    The history still remains

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:09 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Housing starts fell 5% in August, a three-month low. [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:04 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Darrell,

    Walter's attempts at "substance" merely demonstrate his delusional sheeplike mentality. Perhaps he should stick with the emoticons.

    For example, "Reported today, the best car sales since early 2008 (back before the economy tanked when Bush was president!!)"

    REALITY:
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhill/2012/08/15/general-motors-is-headed-for-bankruptcy-again/

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:50 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    If Obama Were White He Wouldn’t Get Re-Elected

    Read more: http://clashdaily.com/2012/09/hurting-blacks-what-if-barack-obama-were-white/#ixzz28FQ9lfZX

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:10 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    but his policies which are essentially Romney's policies strike fear into the hearts of rational people everywhere

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:40 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Great post Mr Chang. Substance again?

    Unfortunately, this economic news reminds me of a situation where a ship finds itself in smooth waters coasting along only to find out it is in the eye of a hurricane.

    Have patience Mr Chang, if Obama wins, the ship will quickly find itself leaving the smooth waters of the eye, for the consequence of the storm that is all around...

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:21 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    In a report today, economists say: Housing recovery finally here!

    http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/02/news/economy/housing-recovery-economists/index.html?source=cnn_bin

    “Economists have been encouraged by a variety of readings, including three straight months of increases in the S&P/Case-Shiller home price index, a pick-up in sales of existing homes and home construction and a big jump in the price of new home sales”

    "We're seeing the signs of a pulse in a sector that has been flat-lined for a number of years"

    “starting in the fourth quarter of last year, housing has been adding to growth”


    [beam]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:08 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Honest guys... Bush is not president, he is not pulling strings in Washington. There was this election is history (2008) where Bush was replaced by this man named Obama.

    This man has had complete control and is in the process of transforming America into a Castro style country...so relax, Bush is gone...Bush is gone...

    Reagan is gone too if you have not heard.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:29 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1478

    Or with more conservatives suppressing the vote.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:24 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1478

    The applause goes to Mr Lucas. I just want to be clear. Trying to trace replies gets muddled.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:21 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1478

    Perry Mason is not dead he is a fictional character

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:13 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1478

    You got it John

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:33 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Darrell said:

    Mr Lucas stated...who would rather think poorly of his fellow human beings than realize that most issues have other explanations.

    I did not state this though I agree with it

    Your statement is a falsehood
    -----------------------------------------------------
    Darrell said:

    Comical post Mr Lucas... you think poorly of all human beings that identify themselves as conservative and/or tea party members.

    This is simply not true. I admire and respect Jerome Kinderman and Brian Dockter. They are consistent in their beliefs. They have both shown to be men of integrity. Both on occasion have admitted to making a mistake. Though, like me, will get out there at times and will make personal attacks it is not in just about every post they make. You can have substantive arguments with them about policy. Do I think they are insane in their political beliefs? Absolutely. Guess what Darrell, they feel the same way about mine. So what.

    Your statement is a falsehood.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------

    Darrell said:

    You then describe Stan as narrow minded and thinks poorly of our fellow human beings...

    You are putting words in my mouth that I did not say

    Your statement is a falsehood.
    -----------------------------------------------------------
    Here is what I said:

    I have noticed this too. Everyone else is just lazy and if they just had his work ethic the world would just be perfect . Gets old after awhile hearing people like Mr Taves boasting about what a splendid human beings they are

    Here are three of Mr. Tavas Statements

    Farmers are having a difficult time finding workers -- the operative word being "worker"

    You don't accept open borders, just so that you can some people can continue doing what they've always done; nothing.

    I've had many stinkin' rotten jobs, and each and every day that I went to work I told myself that I was going to do better one day. It took a while but I did do better. Was it easy just because I was smart, good looking, and white? Of course not. Did I have more opportunities than some? Of course I did, but I also fewer opportunities than many others. The fact is that I had some hard stuff to do before I could make a better life for myself. C'mon, is that really asking too much?


    Score this post
    Falsehoods 3
    --------------------------------------------------------------

    Darrell's boxscore

    Posts 4
    Falsehoods 8
    Misrepresentations 1
    Unwarranted personal attacks 2

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:29 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1478

    Darrell in your 5:13 post above is that some of your "discussion to articulate perspective." Just asking

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:29 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Lucas stated...who would rather think poorly of his fellow human beings than realize that most issues have other explanations.

    Comical post Mr Lucas... you think poorly of all human beings that identify themselves as conservative and/or tea party members. You refer to them as tea baggers, idiots, morans and the cause of all our economic problems because of their stupidity.You then describe Stan as narrow minded and thinks poorly of our fellow human beings...

    All I can think of is... bizarre

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:24 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    That sense of urgency is fueled by memories of the Bush Administration and especially how it ended.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:19 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    careful Mr Chang...substance is creeping into your posts....[wink]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:18 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1478

    Applause [beam]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:15 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Joe stated...Darrell, it couldn't have been Perry Mason as he was smarter than that

    Joe, I was actually thinking that Mike got his lead from a dead guy
    ( Perry Mason), sort of like all those votes Democrats got in 2008 from ACORN ...[beam]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:57 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Heuer stated...Your numbers will represent the opposite of what you perceive." is like the grammer school "I'm like rubber and you're like glue ...

    Thank you for noticing Mr Heuer, you have a keen sense for the very obvious.
    When someone engages in childish behaviors and posts like Mr Lucas does directed towards me, I attempt to respond in like kind. I agree with your analogy 100%.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 7:47 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1478

    Really skip Clinton? How convenient. What bearing does that have on anything? And your parting shot "because he's Black, (Obama) we must submit?" What the heck kind of statement is that? Is there something more you want to share?

     
  • stan taves posted at 7:44 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    LNS rocks. I think this site gives all the good stuff that anyone might find of interest. Do some of the entries border on insanity? maybe -- part of the fun, right? Anyway, I like it because something new comes along, and that's good.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:32 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    It seems to me there's this urgency by the Democrats to re-elect B.O. because, except for Clinton, we have to go back all the way to FDR to find a Democrat President re-elected .And to top it off, somehow, we're all supposed to feel guilty if he doesn't get re-elected because the other sense of urgency is, because he's Black, we must submit.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 7:10 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1387

    He did tip me off to the next two vice-presidents

     
  • stan taves posted at 6:07 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    I've missed you Joanne; you're one of a kind.

     
  • stan taves posted at 6:04 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    Taco news? Is that fish taco?

     
  • stan taves posted at 6:02 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    Joanne. I am suggesting that those without skills can fill lower skilled jobs with a minimal amount of effort. What is missing is the effort -- something that you should put towards your blogs. Come see me Joanne; we need to talk.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:36 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Taves wrote: "the operative word being "worker". There are millions of able bodied people who need to work, but you and your people say, "don't take that low level job; you're better than that".

    I've written this before, but obviously narrowminded people like Mr. Taves, who would rather think poorly of his fellow human beings than realize that most issues have other explanations.

    From NewsTaco (love the name) 9/26/2012:

    "Labor shortages seem counterintuitive considering the persistently high rates of unemployment across the nation. In Arizona, the 8.3 percent unemployment rate is slightly higher than the national average. California’s unemployment rate is 10.6 percent.

    Rogers says part of the disconnect between high rates of joblessness and the farm labor shortage is thinking of farm work as unskilled labor that any unemployed person can pick up and do.

    He says farm work requires “no degree, but the skill set is very high.” Anything from picking lettuce, which involves using a sharp knife all day, to driving tractors and other heavy machinery, requires training and experience. “We just don’t have that in the native workforce—not at any price.”

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:34 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Darrell, it couldn't have been Perry Mason as he was smarter than that.
    I once went to a pro football game, the score was 20-12 with just over 2 minutes left to play with the team I was hoping to win on the losing side. We left to "beat the crowd" and listened to the end of the game on the radio as we exited the stadium. A fumble resulted in a touchdown and they converted a 2 point after, the team I was rooting for won 21-20. This "game" is far from over.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:25 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Lucas stated...Your statement is a falsehood....Running score:

    Falsehoods 2
    Misrepresentations 1


    Mr Lucas,since your perception of a falsehood and misrepresentation actually represents the number of truths and representations of reality, I so much am looking forward to the numbers growing larger. Your numbers will represent the opposite of what you perceive.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:20 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Kinderman stated...I think everyone should have the opportunity to be heard.

    I agree Mr Kinderman. Freedom of speech that this paper promotes is wonderful. Mr Lucas thought this letter was well written and made good points, I then disagreed and stated it was absurd and explained why.

    I love the opportunity to explore truth. I too am happy this letter was published as it opened the door for discussion to articulate perspective.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:13 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike stated...BTW.....I heard it from a Mason so it has to be true.

    Mike, This Mason??? Was his first name Perry?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:10 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I'm impressed. I think Obama has the edge as well ( so far), however, things could change in a heart beat.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:07 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Lucas stated...All things have a history. In terms of our past this was clearly meant as a personal attack and this post is just a continuation of the former personal attack...

    Well said! You appear to be thinking calmly and making a clear point. You no longer appear tense and agitated.

    I disagree with your conclusion as I was attempting to lighten up how angry you were coming off. That you perceive it a falsehood is normal for you, but wrong.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 4:59 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1387

    Darrell: "like future president Romney"?

    I have it on good authority that President Obama will be re-elected.
    Mitt Romney will go back to being former governor Mitt Romney on the first Wednesday in November.

    BTW.....I heard it from a Mason so it has to be true.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:23 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Jerome, nothing would surprise me. I think Obama is going to win but it would not come as a shock if Romney would win. Bush being re-elected took that notion away from me.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 4:03 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2354

    I was actually going to waste more of my valuable time by jumping into commenting about this letter to the editor. But then I remembered some wise folks saying that it doesn't matter what anyone says, they're going to vote for so-and-so anyway. So other than hope that someone might grow just a tad wiser and at least consider what they're going to do on November 6 through something I might offer here (yeah right!), I've decided to simply kick back and watch the fun unfold yet again.

    But one thing I won't do is even suggest that this letter shouldn't have been published because it might not be to my liking or in line with my idea of what is best for our nation. I think everyone should have the opportunity to be heard. After all, isn’t that we’ve been led to believe from the time we were able to understand just why it is so wonderful to live in this country?

    So carry on my liberal, conservative and undecided “friends.” Enjoy!

    However, I do believe we're going to be quite surprised before midnight on November 6, 2012 - VERY surprised!

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:26 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Easy Darrell, he might "sue" you. [lol]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:24 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    If you were addressing Mr. Taves I suggest to hit the reply button on his post and not mine.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 3:15 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    Reported today, the best car sales since early 2008 (back before the economy tanked when Bush was president!!)

    http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/02/news/companies/car-sales/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

    "Overall sales were were up 13% from a year ago"

    "Pent-up demand continues to be strong sales even without using cash-back offers and other discounts to attract buyers. , and it's being supported by the fact that car loans is more widely available"

    "strong sales even without using cash-back offers and other discounts to attract buyers"

    "Retail sales in early September were 15% higher than they were a year ago, which is reflective of a healthy market"


    [beam]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:30 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    When rich businessmen finally replace all the workers with machines pray tell who is going to buy their product?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:44 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Johnson stated...It took hard work from workers they employees and...

    Unfortunately, because of anti businessman mentality this person represents, Agricultural businesses are doing whatever they can to eliminate employees. For example, many workers are no longer needed in the grape fields as machines harvest the grapes. Recently, the strawberry industry has just developed machines to pick their produce which eliminates jobs that were there before.

    Employees have become a liability and risk based on the mandates, rules, regulations and compliance issues that employers have to face.
    I would not be surprised if within 20 years, technology will displace many workers in many industries in large numbers in this country.After all, a machine cannot sue it's owner if she did not provide enough shade.

    Maybe Ms Johnson will then complain about machines doing man's work and it was the machines that made the businessman rich instead of the workers.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:40 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Andrew said:

    Barney Frank is a moron

    Clearly this is a falsehood
    It is also a personal attack without factual basis


    Andrews current box score
    Posts 1
    Falsehoods 1
    Personal attacks 1

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:55 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I was addressing Mr. Taves

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:48 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    You sir are helplessly stuck in the false left/right paradigm. I am not. Barney Frank is a moron.

     
  • stan taves posted at 11:56 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    You couldn't be more right, Teresa. Farmers are having a difficult time finding workers -- the operative word being "worker". There are millions of able bodied people who need to work, but you and your people say, "don't take that low level job; you're better than that". While it is true, that many skilled laborers and professionals have been unemployed for too long, it is also true that Obamanomics the the primary reason for that. But what does that have to do with all of the unfilled low skilled opportunities out there? I'm going to make this really simple for you: People without skills should take jobs that require fewer skills. You don't accept open borders, just so that you can some people can continue doing what they've always done; nothing. I've had many stinkin' rotten jobs, and each and every day that I went to work I told myself that I was going to do better one day. It took a while but I did do better. Was it easy just because I was smart, good looking, and white? Of course not. Did I have more opportunities than some? Of course I did, but I also fewer opportunities than many others. The fact is that I had some hard stuff to do before I could make a better life for myself. C'mon, is that really asking too much?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:37 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Well said.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:29 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I am always amused by the Barney Frank did it Talking Point. I think it is false but lets say that it is true.

    The incompetent team that gave us Iraq, Katrina etc was not competent to stop Barney Frank even though they were in power for 8 years, 6 of witch they had the Senate and House? Now you want people to vote for that team? I think not.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:02 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Darrell Steve Colbert was thinking of you when he made up the following word:

    1. truthiness (noun)
    1 : "truth that comes from the gut, not books" (Stephen Colbert, Comedy Central's "The Colbert Report," October 2005)
    2 : "the quality of preferring concepts or facts one wishes to be true, rather than concepts or facts known to be true" (American Dialect Society, January 2006)
    You said:

    Letter stated...The fact is that the growth in wealth disparity is at least 30 years in the making...
    So this letter to me is not only absurd, but creates hard feelings, jealousy and bitterness where there should be none.

    I know in your gut you “feel” what Mr Armenta was not true and have another “opinion” but the facts state otherwise. There are many sites on the web that give you the facts. One is
    http://acivilamericandebate.wordpress.com/2011/04/10/the-30-year-growth-of-income-inequality/

    Your statement is a falsehood

    You said:

    Since close to 50% of Americans pay no Federal income tax, it is up to the upper middle class and wealthy to help the unfortunate in our country, which they do

    While it is true that they 47% of Americans do not may Federal Income tax a vast majority of Americans pay more of their income in taxes than the wealthy. They pay payroll, gas , sales, property taxes etc. There is no program that helps people than social security and the wealthy pay a minuscule amount of the payroll tax. While what you stated is factually correct while regarding Federal Income taxes your statement taken in the context of what you are trying to say is clearly a misrepresentation.

    Your statement is a Misrepresentation.

    You said:

    We have many wealthy people, like future president Romney that gives millions of dollars annually to the less fortunate.

    Mr. Romney gave 4 million dollars to the Mormon Church. The mormon Church does not spend anywhere near 1/4 of their income on helping the less fortunate

    Your statement is a falsehood.


    Running score:

    Falsehoods 2
    Misrepresentations 1

     
  • Teresa Johnson posted at 9:58 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    lodigrl Posts: 5

    This is the most well written letter I've read in days. Funny how republicans say they got their wealth on their own. It took hard work from workers they employees and now they want to take us back to early 1900 mentality. Keep it up and you will have no wealth. Example saw the news where farmers are struggling to find workers to harvest their fields. Well I guess they could do it on their own.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:47 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I assume you are referring to Mr. Armenta and Mr. Lucas. I am certainly not suffering from Obamanosis.

    This 47% who can be counted on as a reliable voting coalition want Obama because they want the wealth redistribution, they want to take from the successful and give to themselves, they want a tyrant in office who will give them goodies, even if the established Constitution has to fall by the wayside in the process. Legitimate or not, Obama is their choice because he is their opportunity to “get back at,” to punish those who have been more successful in life

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:40 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Letter stated...The fact is that the growth in wealth disparity is at least 30 years in the making...

    So this letter to me is not only absurd, but creates hard feelings, jealousy and bitterness where there should be none. It is a well intentioned letter that unfortunately is misguided.

    Hard to believe that someone is so sheltered that they are not aware of economic reality... most people in our planet perceive 90% of all Americans as wealthy beyond their dreams. Why?

    How is it possible that someone, anyone, living outside America would perceive a person earning $10.00 an hour or more in United States rich? Sounds absurd, right?

    Not to me. We have many wealthy people, like future president Romney that gives millions of dollars annually to the less fortunate. We have churches and non profit organizations that make certain that people are fed and most have shelter. The poor in our country qualify for government health care and no cost. 47 million people qualify for food stamps so they can live without starving.

    Since close to 50% of Americans pay no Federal income tax, it is up to the upper middle class and wealthy to help the unfortunate in our country, which they do.

    All this support structure for the poor are possible because of capitalism and the pursuit of wealth that generates tax revenue to pay for and help the less fortunate.. Other countries are not so fortunate... the poor must grow their own food and shoot animals and eat bugs for their protein. In India, millions of poor live on mud with a tarp for a roof. These people thing American poor have it made.

     
  • stan taves posted at 7:38 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    You guys still don't get it. The middle class has been hurt by currency manipulation more than anything else. Let's try again: Since FDR came in the govt has consistently spent more than it has taken in. What happens as a result is a warping of the financial marketplace, and that is what leaves the middle class flat footed and vulnerable. In other words currency manipulation kills the saver and without savings the middle class just wilts and dies. Mr. Armenta seems fairly educated, so he should know that Bush did not plant the seeds that led to the financial crisis -- that was Clinton, Frank, and others. Did Bush let the sub prime thing get out of control? No, the fact is that the republicans tried to reign in the leftist insanity in the early 2000's, but were stopped by the likes of Pelosi, Frank, Dodd and host of other nut cases. Your guy Obama has no interest in saving the middle class. All you have to do is listen to the man and you will hear his bellowing for redistribution. But be warned! redistribution will not build a stronger middle class; it will only develop a two class system that puts bureaucrats at the top while designating the appropriate place for everyone else. I'm sure that all of you lefty's believe that moving just a little further to the left will make Goldilocks all full and comfy. Guess again, 'cuz Papa Bear is coming home, and there will be hell to pay. Believe it.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:14 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mr. Armenta believes it will take more than 4 years to fix our nation.

    Did President Barack Obama himself not say in February 2009 that his presidency would be "one-term proposition" if the economy did not recover in three years?

    He did. http://youtu.be/SmRgaKfWMPA

    Was DNC Chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz not stumped on Obama's own words?

    She was. http://youtu.be/A3IsRtDd-fU

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:56 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Mr. Armenta, I think many share your thinking. Well written and logical. Yes Romney's 47% speech behind closed doors tore the cover off and revealed what the Republican Party really feels and thinks about those struggling in these hard financial times. I also agree that the Democratic Party has not done enough to stand up for the middle class. We have a congress that is bought and paid for and looks out for the wealthy in this country. The middle class has been the backbone of which the wealthy have made their fortunes yet with their lobbyists and bought for politicians they have done everything they can to kill the golden goose that laid their golden eggs

     

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