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Posted: Saturday, May 11, 2013 12:00 am

During a recent BBC News interview, a retired U.S. general was asked if he felt the U.S. is still at war and with whom. His answer hurt: "Yes, and it's a war we, our kids and grandkids will not see the end of."

My dad would have said, "I've met the enemy and he is me," and the sad truth is our worst enemy is now us.

We are in a war, a religious war between Islam and Judeo-Christianity. It's ongoing since 680 A.D. We can call it what we will — war on terror, Shoa II, World War III — but it is a religious war with Islam, and if you don't agree why is it only Muslims are attacking and killing us?

This is a war that has taken centuries to invade and colonize our shores but it's here now. It's a war of world domination — theocratic, religious and Shariah rule.

If we want to understand what makes each other tick, we only need to understand each other's religion and holy writing. Christians and Jews have Holy Scriptures, Muslims have the Quran and Hindus and Buddhists have the Upanishads, etc. To understand what adherents think and are motivated by, we must see what their "holy books" teach.

As a Christian, the Holy Bible is the word and will of God for me. It's what motivates my values, my world view and my frame of mind. The Quran does the same thing for Muslims. Muslims claim Islam is a religion of peace, but their turmoil and tumult, murder and mayhem throughout the entire globe doesn't support those claims.

The Muslim community throws the term "Islamaphobe" at all who don't agree with them, but it's Muslims themselves who are Islamaphobes. The term "spoiled rotten brats" better describes the Muslim offensive, over-exaggerated defensive attitude and violent behavior toward anyone or anything critical of Islam or supportive of Israel.

As a Christian, my personal view of this farce is summed up in holy scriptures where it is written, "there is no condemnation of them which are in Jesus Christ who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit." If this is true, all unbelievers in Christ as God incarnate are condemned by unbelief. It would certainly explain the hate and murder committed in the name of "a god."

William Van Amber Fields

Morada

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157 comments:

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:29 am on Fri, May 17, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [lol]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:27 am on Fri, May 17, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Unfortunately, many who frequent this forum are helplessly stuck in the false left/right paradigm. Rather than digest truth they will cheer for their "team" no matter what.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:16 am on Fri, May 17, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Facts have a strange way of being ignored in this forum Brian. Excellent factual post. Unfortunately, many choose to remain in a coma. I find that reality strange as well.

    P.S. A June 2011 Center for Security Policy report found that “Shariah law has entered into state court decisions, in conflict with the Constitution and state public policy.”

    http://shariahinamericancourts.com/

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:41 am on Fri, May 17, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/mb-front-succeeds-partnering-us-universities/?utm_source=RadicalIslam.org&utm_campaign=bedcb0c1df-issue_915_16_2013&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_01be8b04e3-bedcb0c1df-3041725#fm

    Muslim Brotherhood Inside American Colleges

    The strategy is part of a six-phased plan to 'get inside the U.S. government and also American universities,' said an FBI informant on the inside.


    In 1988, an FBI informant inside the U.S. Muslim Brotherhood network warned that it had a front called the International Institute of Islamic Thought (IIIT). The IIIT leadership, the source reported, said they were in the first of six phases to “institute the Islamic Revolution in the United States.” Their current objective was to “peacefully get inside the United States government and also American universities." And they have.

    The source warned that the Muslim Brotherhood in America has “unlimited funds” and has “set up political action front groups with no traceable ties to the IIIT or its various Muslim groups.” The source’s identification of IIIT as a front is verified in a 1991 U.S. Muslim Brotherhood memo. The Brotherhood itself lists IIIT as number 28 of “our organizations and the organizations of our friends,” working toward the Brotherhood’s self-defined goal, which it says is a “grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within.”

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:05 am on Fri, May 17, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Read. Read the links highlighted in blue. You have a lot of catching up to do.

    http://www.infowars.com/obama-to-arm-al-qaeda-terrorists-in-syria/
    [sleeping]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:23 pm on Thu, May 16, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1657

    Andrew
    You post alot without saying much. Yes we are sending money but to whom? I'm not sure of the exact amout but 500 mil would sound plausable. We had a threat of chemical weapons and I remember in one of your previous posts that there was threats that something like this might happen and the blame might falll on an unsuspecting party. So I watched and hoped Obama wouldn't rush to judgement and do something irrational. He didn't. So I'm now wary of any headlines of unusual activity that would be perceived by the wprld as a reson to get "boots on the ground" so to speak in ASyria.

    If we are arming the rebels we think are bonafied (is this possible) and not inadvertantly supply the bad rebels this would balance the conflict better. So whos getting the money? How do we assure the right ones get it? Does the money Obama sent include congressional oversight and if it is why aren't we haveing hearins on this rather than the waste of time hearings we are currently having.

    Any way the LTE will resume on Sat so this would be a good time to organize your URLs and Videos by topic so when you use them they will match the topic your discussing.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 4:42 pm on Thu, May 16, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 455

    Thank you all for your patience with my longwinded posts which are honest and true to the best of my recollection of my own experiences on this topic. I only have 1 more experience to relate involving terrorism and my attitude toward it and those that support it.After 911 there were some Islamic Fundamentalists driving around Lodi with their country flags on their cars'antennae and waving the middle finger to citizens. The LPD advised these people not to do that and for citizens to remain calm. The LNS ran an article regarding this. I was riding eastbound on Kettleman and saw a big brown Buick headed west on kettleman with flag and finger gesturing at me as we neared. I exploded,grabbed the 6" crescent wrench from my back pocket and threw it as hard as I could at the driver's head. It bounced off the window jamb and over the top of the car. 4" lower and it would have been a score. Not a bad shot at 35 mph across 4 lanes of traffic. I only tell this now since the statute of limitations have run out for my crime and to inform those who may believe that I might coddle terrorists. I don't.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:33 pm on Thu, May 16, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1657

    Delayed posting again. Computer hicuped after posting and then rebooted the site with no evidence of my post so
    i reposted and voila et deux

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:31 pm on Thu, May 16, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1657

    Good thoughts

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:28 pm on Thu, May 16, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1657

    Brian in response to your 8:21 and 8:29 posts below
    your making my head spin. We were talking about radical islam and terrorism so now you want to talk about the UN? What has that got to do with anything? What you accuse the UN of is no different than our government supporting dictators and up and coming terrorists. Anybody whom you ask about it gives the same answer, 'well it seemed the right thing to do at the time.' Frankly I have never fully understood the conservative arguments against the UN. Care to enlighten me?

    And I made no slight to the FBI or anyone. They are doing there job as they are supposed to. So then what is left for us in the fight against terror. I paid my taxes and I asssume you paid yours which go to support the various law enforcement and intelligence agencies. Your comments here sound like we should be invadeing Egypt or rounding up muslims as in the movie "The Seige". If you missed the movie with Bruce Willis and Denzel Washington that portrays what your zealous remarks are implying do rent it, download it or buy the DVD.

    Terrorist attacks are not an illusion and this is just putting words in my mouth you think a progressive should say to bolster your false fabricated myths. And it shows you like to go for the emotional tugs with such phrases along with the "slap in the face" comment.

    I accused one other conservative here of creating cardboard cutouts of a liberal and one conservative. Everything he thought was wrong he ascribed to the liberal cut out. All that was right went to the conservative cut out. So in conversations with real people he couldn't square the reality that all people are different and bounce between the two cardboard concepts. There is a world out here and you need to take in whats there. Instead your creating a world in your head and try to make the world conform to your ideas.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:20 pm on Thu, May 16, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mr.Heuer, The Obama administration has sent over 1/2 a billion dollars to date. You sir are oblivious.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 12:01 pm on Thu, May 16, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 455

    [thumbup] Check out the UN member list. What are we allying with? UN is despicable and it should be an outrage that their office is located on American soil.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:41 am on Thu, May 16, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Good post. Good questions

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:32 am on Thu, May 16, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1657

    Andrew
    Your Thur 8:14 posting below which you said was posted first of the year originally is now a little dated. However you said these would be evidence countering my "NO ONE condones, coddles or defends radical muslim groups. We are Americans and have little tolerance for any sort of tyranny." Your links all attest to the fact that Al-Qaeda is in Syria and Iran. That deserves a big DUH. Thats exactly why there has been difficulties in moving forward to give support to the rebels because there are Al-Qaeda elements there. These are not "bonified beyond a shadow of a doubt proof" of any support or "coddeling" of radicals.
    Confabulation may offer comforts you find appealing but in the end it’s still confabulation.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:31 am on Thu, May 16, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1657

    Andrew
    Your Thur 8:14 posting below which you said was posted first of the year originally is now a little dated. However you said these would be evidence countering my "NO ONE condones, coddles or defends radical muslim groups. We are Americans and have little tolerance for any sort of tyranny." Your links all attest to the fact that Al-Qaeda is in Syria and Iran. That deserves a big DUH. Thats exactly why there has been difficulties in moving forward to give support to the rebels because there are Al-Qaeda elements there. These are not "bonified beyond a shadow of a doubt proof" of any support or "coddeling" of radicals.

    Confabulation may offer comforts you find appealing but in the end it’s still confabulation.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 11:11 am on Thu, May 16, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 455

    Correct me if I'm wrong: It goes against the Geneva Convention to try terrorists in a military tribunal or court, since the governments of sponsored terrorism have not declared a military war on us and the enemy is not a standing uniformed army. President Bush 2 declared a "war on terrorism". OK. How do we declare a war on an ideology? while We have to try the guilty parties somewhere and our own criminal courts seem like the only option at this point. Do we try our own radical sects like the KKK or Aryan Brotherhood white race supremist groups in a military court? Nope, they are tried in our own courts. Either way, while imprisoned,all criminal sects are free to preach their philosophies of hate and to recruit new members and communicate with the outside world. Gitmo,Guantanamo,and other foreign time out rooms for adults were supposed to hold terrorists caught on foreign soil. Once again correct me if I'm wrong. Our government seems to make a lot of mistakes regarding mideast policies: We backed General Saddam Hussein's rise to power in the early 70s,aided in the ousting of the Shah of Iran, backed Osama Bin Laden at one point, and now we are aiding Egypt and Syria. What's wrong with this picture? Mr.Dockter is correct regarding Saudi Arabian women. I've heard far worse things that they live through that would curdle your blood and make you cringe. I asked questions of these people I met, and there seems to be a common answer I got when I ask about the cause of 911; The US military and political backing and arming of oppressive regimes. When are we going to learn and who should we believe?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:49 am on Thu, May 16, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Your ignorance is showing again, Brian. Do you know anything about Feisal Abdul Rauf the Sufi Iman who was the builder of the islamic center being planned? If he live in Iran or parts of Afghanistan he would be hunted down and killed. He has spoken out against acts os terror for decades and like most Sufis is into a Gandhi like view of the world. That does not stop ignorant loudmouths from indicting him for being a Muslim. In your world he is the same as Ben Laden. Being for freedom means we take people as individuals and judge their views accordingly but then you are not really for real freedom. You are for the freedom of people who believe the what you believe and look like you.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:29 am on Thu, May 16, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857


    Mr Heuer stated:

    What has happened close to home by muslim radicals? The mosque in NY? Again they had a right to build it and making it an issue of no substance and only wild hysteria by conservatives.

    -This is really a slap in the face to all the FBI agents, law enforcement agencies, and their support networks for thwarting many many terrorists attack. But Mr. Heuer has every right to believe all these thwarted terrorist attacks were just an illusion in order to advance the agenda of the wild hysteria of conservatives.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:21 am on Thu, May 16, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Mr. Heuer stated:

    We are Americans and have little tolerance for any sort of tyranny

    -Yet the Leftists and Liberal backed organization call the United nations has a long track record of giving money to prop up dictators and then goes on to tell us that wasn't their intentions. Conservatives have insisited for years the U.S. get out of the UN

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:14 am on Thu, May 16, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mr. Heuer, You once asked for "bonified beyond a shadow of a doubt proof" that President Pinnocchio condones, codles or defends radical muslim groups.

    Did I not provide it?

    posted at 7:58 am on Sun, Jan 13, 2013...

    No problem Mr. Heuer. See this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this and this.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gajqRgjDWax0oBhQk8MU7HX8BwTQ?docId=CNG.8b32ad461489ab05113fc900b5f26049.941

    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2012/0217/Top-US-official-Al-Qaeda-in-Iraq-joining-fight-against-Syria-s-Assad

    http://world.time.com/2012/07/26/time-exclusive-meet-the-islamist-militants-fighting-alongside-syrias-rebels/?iid=gs-main-lede

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/25/world/middleeast/al-qaeda-insinuating-its-way-into-syrias-conflict.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all&

    http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NG24Ak02.html

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443343704577551281530782466.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

    http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1233067--al-qaeda-is-seeking-to-manipulate-tensions-in-the-middle-east-to-its-own-advantage-warn-experts

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/05/10/Al-Qaeda-Ladies-Choir-Struts-Its-Stuff-in-Rebel-Syria

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9396256/Al-Qaeda-tries-to-carve-out-a-war-for-itself-in-Syria.html

    Denial may offer comforts you find appealing but in the end it’s still denial.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:13 am on Thu, May 16, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    I feel very much at ease knowing at any given time when I'm out in the public there are law abiding citizens packing guns ready to thwart crime if the need arises As opposed to Mr. Heuers belief if we limit the access to guns criminal activity will go down.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:07 am on Thu, May 16, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Mr Heuer wants us to believe that limiting or banning gun access for law abidng citizens lowers gun violence Tell that to the law abiding citizens in Australia and Mexico how that's going where home invasions are at record levels. And Arizona is now the #1 state with the highest amount of gun ownership per capita. Yet Mr. Heuer believes I should be fearing for my life based on this statistic.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:58 am on Thu, May 16, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Sentiments like this make many people from all walks of life very angry. And as far as gun violence goes? How is it that Chicago has the highest rate of gun violence yet it's one of the most liberal cities in the world with the strictest gun laws?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:12 am on Thu, May 16, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [thumbup]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:56 pm on Wed, May 15, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1657

    Brian
    Ms Bobin does not bully. You mistake engaging in rebutal argument with failing to offer you the deference you believe you deserve either due to your masterful (percieved) assemblage of position points (you believe irrefutable) or simply to the mere fact that you are a male and that fact alone should give you the last word (with a female).

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:48 pm on Wed, May 15, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [thumbup]

    Bravo, Mr. Lucas!

    Fear mongerers like Brian Dockter and WVAF exist only to bring glory to themselves.

    They could really care less about anyone who thinks differently.

    And when something blows up, they pat themselves gleefully on the back and say, "I told you so."

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:11 pm on Wed, May 15, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Are you so blind that you cannot see that by invading Iraq and torturing people you only help the radicals? We have been supporting the dictators in the Middle East (including Saddam Hussein) for decades. Look at what you are advocating now. You may not like Morsi but he was elected by the people of Egypt but you want us to take him out. Even Ron Paul understands blowback. People with views like you certainly make a bad situation worse.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:00 pm on Wed, May 15, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    John,

    You left out something crucial in your speech. People like us are to blame for Radical Islam. If you're going to get absurd why not take it to the hilt.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 6:58 pm on Wed, May 15, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1657

    That should be "well said John". My bad. Sorry John.

    I notice lots of typos of others and manage to get the right idea (except for some of Maples) and I assume most have the same capability. Even though I do reread prior to posting some get away. My eye sight gets poorer with age and even though I do reread prior to posting some get missed. But when the message looks like it could have different meaning as the result of a typo I try to make that correction.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 5:49 pm on Wed, May 15, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 606

    This post applies to all, myself included. Re-read your post or perhaps spell check. For all students today you receive a C- in spelling. Other than that, yawn.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 3:12 pm on Wed, May 15, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1657

    Brian
    I think it has beeen said several times in different ways that NO ONE condones, codles or defends radical muslim groups. We are Americans and have little tolerance for any sort of tyranny. Every day on the evening news you get the days listing of rapes, murders, kidnappings and burgleries. This is home where as the middle east is along way away yet conservatives don't seem to acknowledge the problem of gun violence in thes country. Who hasn't been affected in revulsion by the bombings in Boston? But thats close to home. What has happened close to home by muslim radicals? The mosque in NY? Again they had a right to build it and making it an issue of no substance and only wild hysteria by conservatives. It is done and what harm has resulted? Egypt elected Morsi. Thats the democratic process we encourage. Now you may not like him but we elect all kinds I feel were bad choices. Now what he does is matched by all kinds of dictators all around the world. N Korea for example. Its a shame but what are you going to do? Now if christians do something that resembles totalitarinism (which they do alot) in this country is close to home and happening now. So there will be more outrage than what you hear half a world away. Do you expect America to go to Egypt and invade their country and depose Morsi? We are facing that already with Syria which could impact Iran and Russia. Nbody efends radical anything. Thats a false contrivance on the part of radical conservatives.
    As I've said before you might want to try decaf.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 2:26 pm on Wed, May 15, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1657

    [thumbup]
    Well sad John

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:50 pm on Wed, May 15, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Brian Dockter: "And the fact that Ms. Bobin ansd many others on the left"

    Thank you for being totally enamored of me, Mr. Dockter.

    It seems that there are quite a few posters here who oppose your views, but you seem to be only focused on me in all of your posts.

    It that because you think that you can easily bully women, but not men? I'm sure that someone of your mentality thinks that way.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:02 am on Wed, May 15, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Brian, there is not a Liberal on the forum who defends radical Islam. You are, as usual, putting words in peoples mouths. The fact is that people like you, Mr. Fields, Robert Chapman etc are a far greater threat to our freedom than the radical Islamists will ever be. You are an internal cancer to the body politic. You are forever seeing things in black and white, never able to use nuance in any of your thinking. You are the reason we went into Iraq, the reason we started torturing people. Your thinking has done more harm to the idea of America than Ben Laden ever did.
    There is not a day that goes by that Liberals do not condemn the actions of fundamentalist Islam concerning women's rights and civil rights of all. What we do not think is that a holy war is going to make things better. We believe that change will come by our example. What to you idiots do? Invade Iraq, torture people, make laws taking away our civil rights and probably the worst thing saying our courts should not be used in terror cases. We are going to easily beat the terrorists in the long run because people of all faiths and no faith are going to see to that. People like you are the real threat to the American dream

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:47 am on Wed, May 15, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    http://therealrevo.com/blog/?p=35942


    Political Islam has killed more people than communism…

    Posted on November 28, 2010 by notamobster

    I tend to pick on the Religion-Of-Fear-And-Intolerance™ more than anyone here. Is this due to my islamophobia, as the left would have you believe? No. I pick on them because I know what and how they believe. Contrary to the talking points of tolerance and peace from the left, there is no tolerance in islam and there will be no peace until all have accepted the ways of the prophet.

    That said, I must point out that there are pious, honest, god-fearing Muslims who are perfectly content to live their life in peace with others. They should be allowed to exist, unmolested, so long as they seek to coexist and not to foist their ideology upon others. So, on to the title:

    How many people have been murdered in the name of Political Islam? (The numbers of course are extrapolated from various sources):

    Africa: 120 Million

    Christians: 60 Million

    Hindus: 80 Million

    Buddhists: 10 million

    Jews: surprisingly, the number is in the thousands (probably 10′s or 100′s of) rather than the millions. Seems fascists (lefties) have killed more Jews than Muslims have.

    This estimate equals roughly 270 million people of all colors and beliefs, murdered by the political ideology that is Islam in a little more than 1400 years.

    How many have been murdered since 9/11/2001? 16,439 This would only be 26, 310,400 +/- in 1440 years if multpilied directly, so as we see , radical islam isn’t putting up record setting numbers of late, but they’re also not (militarily) invading countries and murdering indigineous populations who refuse to convert, either.

    In fairness, human history is replete with stories of nations and faiths destroying each other to force a belief or system on someone else or for material gain(crusades, communism, conquest, etc). One of the reasons I point these things out is that we are not facing a physical threat from radical Christianity or invading barbarian hordes. The Catholic Church no longer endorses the murdering of innocent people. The most elevated scholars in islam do.

    We are facing a very real threat from radical islam and non-radical islamist infiltration. If you doubt my words, just take a look at Europe and how well their multi-cultural experiment in liberalism has worked out.

    I must say that communism is considerably more efficient at killing people in the relatively short period they’ve had to stack up bodies.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:42 am on Wed, May 15, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Evidently Mr. Barrow could care less how these statistics trivilaize Radical Islam.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:39 am on Wed, May 15, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Indeed!!!!

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:37 am on Wed, May 15, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/11/radical-islamists-and-the-liberals-who-love-them/


    Radical Islamists And The Liberals Who Love Them

    Remember back to the New York City mosque, and the whole controversy surrounding it? Remember how the Left defended it to the teeth? Remember when Mohammed Morsi was elected president of Egypt, and it was reported that Christians were being executed by the Muslim Brotherhood? Remember when no one on the Left said anything?

    This is a cycle that has continued for years: Liberals defend radical Islam, while defaming and mocking Christianity. Liberals latch onto any violence committed by a Christian, while they refuse to call the Fort Hood shooting a terrorist act.

    I shouldn’t have to say this, but I will: I know that all of Islam is not radical; rather that the way in which it is practiced in most if the middle-east is radical. At its heart, Islam is a religion of oppression, intolerance and extraordinary violence. And it just keeps getting worse.

    According to the Associated Foreign Press, women in Saudi Arabia are being tracked:

    “Denied the right to travel without consent from their male guardians and banned from driving, women in Saudi Arabia are now monitored by an electronic system that tracks any cross-border movements. Since last week, Saudi women’s male guardians began receiving text messages on their phones informing them when women under their custody leave the country, even if they are traveling together.”

    This means that in addition to not being allowed to drive, women in Saudi Arabia are losing even more of their autonomy; if they had any left.

    While the Left defends Islam, women in the middle-east are risking their lives to fight for basic human rights. According to the AFP:

    “Manal al-Sherif, who became the symbol of a campaign launched last year urging Saudi women to defy a driving ban, began spreading the information on Twitter [about the tracking], after she was alerted by a couple.”

    My point is this: radical Islamists oppress and abuse women, kill Christians, hang homosexuals, and commit extraordinary violence, yet many on the Left refuse to acknowledge it. There are surely many reasons why the Left doesn’t condemn radical Islam: because it’s politically incorrect; because it’s not politically expedient; or because they are afraid–but that is unimportant. What is important is their hypocrisy. While the Left defends radical Islam, it regularly decries Christianity as intolerant, bigoted and evil.

    This kind of behavior is ridiculous and most of all, insulting to those who are fighting against radical Islamic oppression and violence. It’s not so important to discuss the root of the Left’s hypocrisy, but to expose it. In addition to shining a light on the cruelty of radical Islam, we need to expose the Left’s refusal to decry it.


     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:29 am on Wed, May 15, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    And the fact that Ms. Bobin ansd many others on the left remain silent on this issue yet are very vocal about the associations Bush had when he was President is very telling.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:19 am on Wed, May 15, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ms. Bobin,

    Even though you state Radical Christianity is not more of an issue you constantly
    refer to events you interpret being committed by Radical Christians Although these crimes are terrible they pale in comparison to the crimes committed by Radical Muslims. But you don't think comparing these crimes trivializes the crimes committed by Radical Muslims. Suit yourself. You have never said anything about any particular crimes committed by Radical Muslims. The list is long and gets longer on an almost weekly basis. But you remain silent on these crinmes.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:11 am on Wed, May 15, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1588

    Great you got property your retired and you drive around in a bus. You must be very proud to have gotten this far.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:04 am on Wed, May 15, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Meanwhile President Pinnocchio continues to willfully fund, arm, and politically back designated affiliates of Al Qaeda in Syria.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 7:20 am on Wed, May 15, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    I like dirt, I own lots of it.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 6:49 am on Wed, May 15, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1588

    And another witty comeback, bobby you are about as entertaining as dirt.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:57 am on Wed, May 15, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Yet another stupid comment.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:37 am on Wed, May 15, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Mr. Lucas, your brilliance never ceases to dazzle me. A legend in your own mind, eh?

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:29 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1657

    I like this post Mr Maurer. It makes good sense. Thanks

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:01 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1657

    There are many muslims in this country who were as devastated as we were on 9/11. There are many good citizens in this community that are muslim and embraced by their neighbors and contribute to the community. This letter of Mr Fields is an insult to that community and should never have been printed.

    Those that keep the flames of hysteria over "jihadist" radicals need to get real. What flotila is this mass of muslims arriving on our shore coming from? Where are they encamped while waiting for this "take over" of our country to occur? You really need to think this through. You just can't say there is a muslim threat without creating predjudice and fear that is hard to recover from and not create more hatred for America. Are there radicals yes there are but you got to get off your duff to find them. You can't just say those muslims are the enemy when they include our soldiers, business leaders, workers and emergency response personnel.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:30 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1588

    New money is so vulgar.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:08 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1588

    Mr Chapman what I am uncomfortable with is crazy old men aiding our enemies by spreading the same fear that their terrorist attacks where intended to instill. I am certainly uncomfortable with elevating the terrorist to the status of Holy Warrior and if your intention is to save American lives I have already pointed to numerous issues that should take priority over those crazy extremist who do not deserve our attention. Although they do deserve justice can you say drones.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:53 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1161

    "MEH"

    The sound a grumpy old bear makes when rubbing it's backside, repeatedly, on a big oak tree!

    [thumbup]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:15 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I actually feel sorry for Robert. Everywhere he goes he has to take himself with him. If the price of being rich is being like Robert it is too high a price to pay.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 6:13 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Just remember you said that. When another 9-11 like attack (or worse) happens, and it will, you will be the first to deny you ever marginalized the threat of Islamic Jihad poses.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:09 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Dockter wrote: "Why is it then Radical Christianity is more of an issue with you?"

    Where you got that idea, I don't know Mr. Dockter. UNLESS, of course, YOU are calling WVAF a "Radical Christian."

    Radical Christians do more harm to themselves than they do to anyone else, i.e., "Pastor" Terry Jones, the idiot from Florida whose brilliant tactics include burning the Koran as an "in your face you dirty Muslims" move.

    Like the even more brilliant Westboro Baptist Church members, a bunch of lawless inbreds who think that protesting at military funerals and shouting to family members that their sons and daughters died because of the homosexual agenda here in the US is just punishment for the fallen and their families.

    I suppose you think that the end result at Jonestown was justified because "radical Christians" were making a great point about religious freedom.

    The same with Waco. The Branch Davidians sacrificed little children just to prove that David Koresh had the right to have sex with as many members of his "congregation" as he wanted.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 6:04 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    MEH.....

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:51 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Perhaps when I am as old as you are, Mr. Chapman, I'll have that chance.

    I'll never have the resources that you have, though, having sold your 5,000 employee corporation for billions, I'm sure.

    But then the best times can be had for a few dollars well spent.

    The pleasure of doing great things with few resources far outweighs having unlimited funds - as they say - "Money can't buy everything," and especially cannot buy you happiness.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:41 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Chapman wrote: "My sister's husband died on 9-11 while working in Tower 1. Why don't you ask her and her fatherless children if Islamic Jihad is a figment of their imagination and should be trivialized."

    Where do you get off claiming that I OR anyone else here is trivializing Islamic Jihad?

    No where in my comments have I stated that, but you and Mr. Dockter keep throwing that accusation around.

    What I have said consistently is that it is wrong to lump all Muslims together with radicals as WVAF did in his letter. According to him, the Muslim hoard is overrunning this country, cutting down every Christian in their path.

    I am sorry that your sister and her children lost a husband and father.

    My cousin also lost her husband, a fire fighter from Staten Island. His remains were never recovered. One of his fellow fire fighters, the son of Palestinian immigrants from Israel and his family, have been her greatest supporters, helping her with the kids throughout the days following 9/11 and doing anything they can to this day.

    She doesn't blame him, even though he and his family are Muslims. She doesn't blame the many family members of his that she has met. She is grateful for their support and she knows the difference between those responsible for this great tragedy and those who are as stunned as every other American was on that day.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:33 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Lawrence, I didn't live in Lodi on 9-11 and still don't live in Lodi. My "home", (better known as "base camp") is in the Clements area. I am a transplant from the Indianapolis area. Moved to California to be nearer grandkids when I retired. I would never divulge information about my sister without her approval, not my call. Thanks for your volunteering efforts, I know the volunteers made a huge contribution in assisting responders, some who tragically perished trying to save others.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 5:21 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1657

    Of course this could be worse if they had a functioning brain and self identity. Grow up. Quit trying to emotionalize like a school kid. You only appeal to the gulible.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:10 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    fooled me

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:08 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Awww, Joanne, don'tcha wish you had the time and resources to roam our beautiful America in a luxury motorcoach? Getting ready to go back to Denali, Alaska for monthsd then other Alaska destinations for another month. Nothing better than a hot cup of coffee in the morning with Mt. McKinley (Denali) staring you in the face. Great fishing too, you should try it some time.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 5:04 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1657

    Mr Chapman this is about as stupid a comment as they come. Of course I'm not calling you stupid unless you think calling your comment stupid reflects the intellect of the commenter. Beside comparing lighting strikes with terror attacks seems to be the same as comparing auto accidents with gun deathsc as has been the case with some of your compatriots here if not you.

     
  • Lawrence Steinberg posted at 4:59 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Lawrence Steinberg Posts: 65

    Hi Robert! I didn't realize that anyone in Lodi had lost a family member in the 9/11 attacks. I lived in NYC at the time of 9/11 and did a fair amount of volunteer work trying to secure assistance for first responders and families that lost loved ones. I wonder whether I might have met your sister (small world). What is her name?

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 4:30 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Another stupid comment. I never called YOU a "name", I said your COMMENT was stupid, and it was. But, if you want to identify with your comment, be my guest.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 3:36 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 455

    First,my condolensces for your loss, Mr. Chapman. Thank you for sharing an excellent comment.[thumbup][thumbup]

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 3:33 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    So, Mr. Barrow, you are totally comfortable with Islamic terrorist murdering American Citizens in our own country and we shouldn't be concerned it has happened and will continue to happen? What a sad example of an American patriot you portray.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 3:18 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 455

    There is no doubt in my mind that there are Muslim fundamentalists that would like to destroy the US or at least cripple our commerce or turn us into a Muslim state. One problem they would have is the language barriers in their own countries. In some areas of the mideast, there are as many as 22 separate languages and dialects which makes universal communication difficult;Farsi,Pashto,Urdu,for example. It would be next to impossible to launch an outright attack of any kind here that would give them ultimate control. There have been several attempts of small terrorist cells thwarted in the past 20 years or so. From 1990-1993 about half of all employees at PCP Cannery were of mideast descent and the only problems I witnessed involved communication. Some acted as interpreters for others. Despite these barriers, it was a peaceful work environment overall. Late one evening, the boiler room room went down and the operator did not follow protocol in clearing gas lines brfore relighting. A maintenance man and supervisor told me that an explosion could have happened that would have easily destroyed an area 3 blocks in each direction. At that time PCP employed about 1000 people per shift or 3000 people total. It seems that businesses like these would be perfect targets for the Jihadists. Is it just luck that this has not happened locally or is it also possible that most of these mideastern people came here to escape the lunacy and wars of their own countries to have a better life and to live in peace?

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:18 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1588

    When faced with facts all he can do is call names, brilliant bobby.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 3:15 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    What a stupid comment.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 3:14 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    My sister's husband died on 9-11 while working in Tower 1. Why don't you ask her and her fatherless children if Islamic Jihad is a figment of their imagination and should be trivialized . If you lost a family member or close friend because of the radical Islamic terrorist attack, you would be sing a different tune. Well, maybe not YOU. You would most likely continue to deny there is a problem with Islamic terrorists. What is the view like where you have your head stuck?

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 3:08 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    What a stupid comment.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 12:54 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1588

    Probably not to the person killed.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 12:53 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1588

    There's been about as many people in the US killed by lightning since 1972 as have been by Islamic factions. Maybe we should create a Department of Homeland Security to stop lightning strikes.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:43 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    And how many deaths have occurred annually due to Radical Abortionism? (Apples and Oranges? I don't think so.) One would think that with President Obama's recent visit to the First National Church of Abortion (Planned Parenthood – Millions Served!) where he missed their celebration of 40 years of Roe v. Wade by just one day, it's obvious which side he's on in that war.

    And they are "deaths," make no mistake about that. At one moment within the safe confines of their mother's wombs their little hearts are beating just as yours and mine are - and then all of a sudden at the hands of the skilled abortionists those hearts are suddenly stilled. And what did THEY do to deserve such horrid ends to their young lives that had hardly a few days (or months) before getting that one breath that might have saved them from such a cruel DEATH?

    (Thank you for the segue.)

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:34 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Chapman wrote: "I am not advocating a "holy war" against Islam but to deny it is happening and is only goiing to get worse is foolish."

    Since the 3,000 killed were just about all in one day, and most of the 1,500 are probably from that same day, Mr. Chapman's hysteria is seriously not warranted.

    I'm surprised that you think you have the freedom to wander the country in your RV without being targeted by those random Muslims who are out to get you.

    You should be barricaded in your home and armed to the teeth.

    Or is the constant moving your "survival tactic?" You zig and they zag?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:28 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Now seriously, Mr. Dockter - you are always making detrimental comments about the many cultural and religious practices, especially with regard to women - and YOU want ME to believe you don't hate Muslims?

    I don't need to SAY that I am not "in favor" of radical Islam. I thought that was something that didn't actually need to be stated. And I am not the only person in this forum who does not openly condemn it, but you always think that I am your best target. Perhaps YOU should take a look at your attitudes toward women for a change.

    What I am against is people like WVAF who roll as Muslims into one mold and then declare that there is a war between them and Christians.

    That is just plain ignorant.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:18 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Why not throw in how many people drown, choke to death or get electrocuted? Apples and oranges come to mind?

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:17 pm on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    I am not advocating a "holy war" against Islam but to deny it is happening and is only goiing to get worse is foolish.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:15 am on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1588

    Stop putting words in my mouth that is not what I said. Personally I don't find either one of them threatening.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:57 am on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1588

    There are over half a million deaths a year due to heart disease this makes McDonalds a little more frightening than radical Islam.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:53 am on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1588

    Since 1968 there have been 1,384,171 deaths caused by guns on American soil and over 1,600,000 deaths due to traffic fatalities. This means you're over 500 times more likely to be killed by a an American citizen or driving to work than by a terrorist so yes I think it is fear mongering.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:49 am on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    So we have to have a Holy war against Muslims? You are correct in that some people need a reality check.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 9:29 am on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Since 1972 there have been 3,101 American citizens killed and 1,591 wounded on American soil as a direct action of Islamic factions. Fearmongering? Some people need a reality check.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:35 am on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    I see Eric.
    So you believe Christian spoiled rotten brats are more of a threat than Muslim spoiled rotten brats?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:32 am on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ms Bobin,

    Why are you opposed to preparing for something that may never happen?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:30 am on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ms. Bobin,

    Governments have fallen before. I do appreciate the fact you believe the constitution is the perfect failsafe. However, this does not address the issue
    why you won't just say you are opposed to an Islamic Theocracy in America

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:01 am on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Evidently Ms. Bobin is not aware of the term "Creeping Shariah".[huh]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:55 am on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    The fact that I condemn the actions of Radical Muslims means I am concerned about the bad rap mainstream Islam is getting. Now, only you interpret this as hate. More so, the fact that you refuse to condemn the actions of Radical Muslims I interpret you could care less what they do. Do I believe you hate all Muslims? Unlike you, I believe that's the most ridiculous thing one could say

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:10 am on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Mr Steinberg there is no place for insulting pigs on this forum. It is an unwritten rule. [smile]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:04 am on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [smile]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:45 am on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    No I didn't state that, Mr. Dockter. If you were paying attention I was quoting Jerome Kinderman.

    You are so h ell bent on condemning everything Muslim.

    Period. Admit it - YOU HATE all Muslims, Mr. Dockter, no matter if they are radical or not.

     
  • Lawrence Steinberg posted at 5:33 am on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Lawrence Steinberg Posts: 65

    In both cases. the real problem is pig ignorance and hate.

     
  • Lawrence Steinberg posted at 5:28 am on Tue, May 14, 2013.

    Lawrence Steinberg Posts: 65

    Chuckle..... an Officer AND a Gentleman!

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:28 pm on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ms Bobin stated:

    "Naturally I’m not insisting that anyone else must believe as I do"

    -Yet you insist we should trivialize Radical Islam but not Radical Christianity. Yet you insist NEITHER of them will take a foothold here Why is it then Radical Christianity is more iof an issue with you?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:22 pm on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ms Bobin:

    Do you oppose thre orchestrated brainwashing of children in Islamic countries to become suicide bombers? Or do you believe it is this fearmongering by the likes of me
    in order to trivialize what Catholic priests have done to children? Better yet. Do you believe it is the propaganda of Christian Radicals that has blown out of proportion
    what's going on in Islamic countries?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:10 pm on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ms Bobin;

    Please enlighten us with your plausible information all the terror cells the FBI knows about in this country is just a bunch of fearmongering by people under the auspices of Pres Obama. Have you been in touch with people who have direct contact with FBI agents that they are full of crap?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:04 pm on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Yet another excuse by Ms Bobin that we should be focusing on the Christian Radicals and just ignore the Islamic Radicals. She never ceases to amaze me.
    It seems to me she's not the least bit concerned about Radiclal Islam or the even more rare likelyness of Radical Christianity in this country as long as the Constitution and it's enforcers says it won't happen. And she just disgards people like me and many others concerns as fear mongering. It's kind of her interpretation of the boy who cried wolf.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:49 pm on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I always think of this when people start calling for prayer in public schools.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:47 pm on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [thumbup]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:33 pm on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1161

    [thumbup]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:29 pm on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1161

    Matthew 6:7 "And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words."

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:29 pm on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1161

    Matthew 6:5 "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full."

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:16 pm on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Someone asked the Dali Llama what was the best religion. He answered the one that makes you a better person. Mr Fields because of his faith insists we are in a holy war and must choose sides. Did his faith make him a better person?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:39 pm on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    It is also a problem if you are a Muslim who does not believe in their insanity. If you are in a community controlled by a Taliban type regime you are in a untenable position. Religious extremists seem to be very bloodthirsty. I like how the uncle of the Boston idiot terrorists went off on his nephews. He said they were an embarrassment to good people everywhere. I do not think being a Muslim or a Christian is the problem. I think being an extremist who is willing to use violence against innocent people is the problem.

     
  • Ron Portal posted at 2:48 pm on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Ron Portal Posts: 120

    Are you sitting down, Joanne?? Good. I agree with most of your 9:36 post. Like the book say in John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me". We are to witness to the world through word and deed that truth. As far as Mr. Kinderman...I don't know him personally but I like him and what he has to say. You're taking what he is writing differently than I. But then again, you're from Venus and I'm from Dorchester or Mars or ...

     
  • Ron Portal posted at 2:18 pm on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Ron Portal Posts: 120

    John...my frustration lays with the leaders of the Muslim which really have not come out forcefully to condemn the actions of the extremists in their midst. To think 100% of any group believes the same thing is not logical but when terrible things happen in any faith its up to the leadership of those faiths to condemn and correct and make right. There are bad apples in everything humans do. The Bible has a way of confronting wrong doers in the church. 1Cor. 5:13 is just one that says "put away from among yourselves that wicked person". We self regulate in the church. If we belong to a church body and there is someone who is doing some wrongdoing to say nothing is being a part of the wrongdoing. You probably know that first the person is approached individually by an elder and is confronted with the problem and asked to stop whatever it is. If they continue the pastor confronts them, if they continue then the full church is made aware of it and the person[s] is confronted. If the person still refuses to stop the wrongdoing then they are asked to leave. Do I have that right? Like the book say a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump meaning sin. I don't see that in the Muslim faith. I also don't know a single Muslim...I just see in the news everyday what they are doing to each other with the apparent blessings from their Imans who not only do little to stop it but seem to encourage it. I've heard that about 10% of the Muslim world is radicalized and the estimate of the number of Muslims is over a billion. If that's true 10% of a billion is a real problem to anyone who is not Muslim....wouldn't you say??

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:11 pm on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [thumbup]

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:56 am on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    And you have every right to your opinions and to voice them. Thanks.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 10:11 am on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 455

    Most Muslims are not terrorists, yet most terrorists are Muslim. The Quran has violent episodes written in it the same as the Bible does in the old testement. Good and evil exists in both faiths. Why neither side does not denounce evil doings more frequently in all forms of media is beyond me, if it truly is peace that they seek. From conversations I've had with mideastern coworkers, they say the same as most US citizens and law enforcement officials do: What does a criminal look like? Can you tell by their public actions if you don't catch them committing a crime? All of these posts here are relevant and true. All religious leaders should do all they can to promote peace and to alert law enforcement to illegal activities and perceived terrorism plots by those individuals who practice the evil writings of their chosen faiths.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:36 am on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Naturally I’m not insisting that anyone else must believe as I do. I simply believe that unless Christ is at the center and as a result of the nature of His birth, His Life, His death and His Resurrection, other “religions” are false, and I have every right to dismiss them out of hand. In fact, if I were to tell anyone that their faith is just as valid as mine; that if they believe as fervently in theirs as I believe in mine that they’re on the right path, I’d be teaching them false doctrine – "

    When one uses the excuse of his own religion and his own beliefs to condemn, deny, or invalidate another's religion, then one has become of the same mindset as those he is trying to condemn.

    Radical Islamists think the same way you do, Mr. Kinderman. They believe they are only following the word of God, just as you are.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:30 am on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1588

    You seem to be missing the point it is not that there are no spoiled rotten brats in Islam it is that there are also plenty of spoiled rotten brats in Christianity.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:26 am on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [thumbup]

    When one cannot make a distinction between the radicalized segment and the whole of the Muslim world, then one is painting themselves as a person of very limited understanding.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:23 am on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    WVAF wrote: "This is a war that has taken centuries to invade and colonize our shores but it's here now. It's a war of world domination — theocratic, religious and Shariah rule."

    I would find it interesting if WVAF had any plausible information to back up this statement. Really? "Centuries to invade and colonize our shores?" So Muslims have been fighting to take over the US since its inception. Don't recall any Muslims fighting alongside the colonists (or separately, even) against the English.

    This BS in sheer fearmongering by a religious zealot.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:19 am on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Dockter wrote: "I'm beginning to wonder if you really are opposed to an Islamic Theocracy in America."

    I think, Mr. Dockter, that you are forgetting that we have a Constitution that would prevent ANY theocracy in the United States.

    It is only you and others like you, i.e. WVAF, who want to instill fear in the American public by claiming that we will become an Islamic theocracy - a quite irrational fear. If it was possible to make this country into a theocracy, we would have become a Christian theocracy long before now since most Christians want to claim that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principals.

     
  • Bruce Rubly posted at 9:02 am on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    brucerubly Posts: 3

    What a bunch of malarkey ! , Your Christian superstitions are just as bad as there Muslim superstitions, personally , a pox on both your houses, The world would be a more peaceful place with out Christians or Muslims.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:58 am on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1588

    On Sunday, Israel dropped massive bombs near Damascus, ones which the New York Times, quoting residents, originally reported (then evidently deleted) resulted in explosions "more massive than anything the residents of the city. . . have witnessed during more than two years of war." Israeli defenders claim that its air attack targeted weapons provided by Iran that would have ended up in the hands of Hezbollah. Obama officials quickly told media outlets that "the administration is fully supportive of Israel's airstrikes".

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/06/syria-israel-bombing-moral-relativism

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:52 am on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    I do recall these events However, you are still trivializing Islamic Extremist events that number in the thousands and occur on an almost daily basis around the world. I don't know why you can't just come out and say you condemn the actions of Islamic Extremists And these three events you mentioned... Look at how far you had to go back to find anything that one could possibly connect to Christian religious extremism And the decades of pedophilia by Catholic priests How can you possibly find any comparison to what women and children have to endure in Islamic countries? Are you that blind? I'm beginning to wonder if you really are opposed to an Islamic Theocracy in America.


     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:59 am on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [thumbup]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:58 am on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [thumbup]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:53 am on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Frankly,

    I don't see anything that WVAF has written in this letter that cannot be backed up with facts. But that won't keep Ms Bobin from saying their are no "spoiled rotten brats"
    in the world of Islam.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:47 am on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    You are joking, right, Mr. Dockter?

    Recall Waco, Oklahoma City, Jonestown?

    Not to mention decades of violence against children by priests in the Catholic church. We could actually frame that as an orchestrated attack on children worldwide given what we know now was a huge cover-up that extended to the Vatican.

    Wow, so we are supposed to evaluation religious violence based solely on current events?

    Ridiculous.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:45 am on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ms Bobin stated:

    I am a Christian, Mr. Portal, and I think that if I ever expressed opinions about other religions as WVAF has done here, I would expect to have a very serious conversation with my spiritual leader.

    -Chuckle,

    It is not an opinion that Islamic Extremists are currently committing atrocities in the name of their God. And based on the many facts and events in the last several decades, spiritual leaders from other faiths are continuing to have serious conversations about where Islam is headed toward if the Islamic Leaders don't wake up and take some action against the extremists in their religion.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:39 am on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1588

    I don't know how about pedophilia?

    Nobody is trivializing Muslim extremism just saying that countering it with Christian extremism is not the solution.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:30 am on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ron Portal,

    Good post. Yes indeed Ms. Bobin and people like her will go to the ends of the Earth saying the sky is falling, that being Christian Extremism is on the verge of becoming like it once was centuries ago. But find it bigoted,ignorant, and divisive that Mr. Amber Fields would point out the current state of affairs with Islamic Extremism.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:29 am on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Ron, you are making the same mistake that Mr. Fields is making. He is condemning over a billion Muslims over the actions of a few. Should we condemn all Christians because of the actions of the Westboro Baptist church? Of course not. I have known many people of the Muslim faith and by and large they are just as crazy as the rest of us. Individuals need to be judged by their actions not their religion. To lump all people together because of their faith is pure prejudice.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:21 am on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Based on Bobin and Co.'s comments here one could conclude they find current Christian extremism as violent or even more violent then Islamic Extremism. Of course they have no current events within the last few decades to back up their accusations. But that doesn't keep them from trivializing current Islamic Extremism

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:29 am on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Paglia:

    If you cannot accept the facts about the sorry state of the Catholic Church, then I realize why you say I "attack you and your religion."

    I'm not attacking your religion - it is the INSTITUTION of the Catholic Church that has a problem and I'm sorry that you cannot recognize that fact.

    One should learn to distinguish between faith and bricks and mortar.

     
  • Ron Portal posted at 5:38 am on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Ron Portal Posts: 120

    WVAF is offensive, bigoted, ignorant, who writes divisive garbage to see if LNS will print his trash testing if LNS will reject it. Can you stop beating around the bush, Joanne, and tell us what you really feel. WVAF is reporting on what is happening in the present. Muslims call us the Great Satan and Israel the Little Satan. Does my telling you that make me the hater for reporting on what Muslims feel about us? I've never figured out why so many come to this country which they hate. Fathers have killed their daughters for wearing Western style clothing or being too westernized and then call it an honor killing under their shariah law. Any so-called faith that can call such a thing an "honor" is a faith of death and should be outlawed from any civilized society. I have 3 sisters and 3 daughters and to think of such a thing being done to them just infuriates me. Women are to be treated tenderly and with compassion and a loving heart not subjugated to slavery to a male dominated culture. That is hateful to me. By the way, with 9/11 and the Boston bombing and the Ft. Hood massacre and others...has any Muslim leader come out strongly proclaiming these acts as inexcusable? There has to be some but I haven't heard of one personally. Even so, most of the Muslim community is pretty much silent on this issue. Is that a sign of hate toward us or are they just terrified if they speak out they may be a recipient of an "honor" killing? Let's just forget about the religious factor here for a bit and ask if this was any other kind of secular non-religious organization and they were doing what the Muslim's are doing worldwide...wouldn't you want that organization be disbanded and stopped?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 5:35 am on Mon, May 13, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    When it comes to this subject of faith - of what I believe becomes of me once I die - am I as a "Christian" actually being hateful when I believe that my path to Heaven is the only one; that ALL other "religions" lead either to He|| or worse – that they lead toward a state of eternal nothingness?

    In the United States it is the government that must take a benign position when it comes to matters of faith - the First Amendment says so where it states that "'Congress' shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." By design, it is silent regarding an individual citizen’s position on the matter. So long as what I believe and in the way I practice my faith in no way violates someone else’s Constitutional rights, I am free to carry out the tenets of my faith without impediment from Uncle Sam.

    “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6) There it is for me – my faith begins and ends right here. As such, unless someone believes in Who and What Jesus “IS,” upon death Heaven is closed to them. This is what I believe. Of course there’s much more in the Holy Bible regarding Jesus, God and things I am commanded to do.

    Naturally I’m not insisting that anyone else must believe as I do. I simply believe that unless Christ is at the center and as a result of the nature of His birth, His Life, His death and His Resurrection, other “religions” are false, and I have every right to dismiss them out of hand. In fact, if I were to tell anyone that their faith is just as valid as mine; that if they believe as fervently in theirs as I believe in mine that they’re on the right path, I’d be teaching them false doctrine – and God warns me against doing something as terrible as that. It would be utterly “hateful” of me to encourage them to keep on believing as they do; after all, what could be worse than to send anyone down a road toward an eternity of misery?

    This is the nature of love as far as my faith in Christ is concerned. This is what it means to love others as I love myself.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 6:03 pm on Sun, May 12, 2013.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2081

    Ms Bobin wrote: "WVAF is a HATER. Christians, by the very virtue of Christ's teachings, should not be haters. You can characterize this man in any way you wish, but his hateful writings speak for themselves."

    Given the many times Ms. Bobin has attacked me and my religion, I find this very funny in a sad, she doesn't even realize she does the same thing sort of way.

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 3:32 pm on Sun, May 12, 2013.

    John Kindseth Posts: 245

    See post below.

    Joanne, I have to defer to you, I concede your victory, you absolutely win the contest. No one I know can come close. You are the Queen, or whatever the title of the undisputed winner is. Congratulations from many. You definitely push, fold, bend, staple, spindle and fold the envelope.

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 3:28 pm on Sun, May 12, 2013.

    John Kindseth Posts: 245

    Joanne Bobin posted at 10:31 am on Sun, May 12, 2013.

    Joanne BobinPosts: 3172


    "There should be a contest to see who can submit the most offensive, bigoted, ignorant, and divisive piece of garbage just to see what the limits are of what the LNS will print before trash like this letter is rejected.
    Log In to report.
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  • Robert Chapman posted at 2:02 pm on Sun, May 12, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    How many Americans must die on our own soil before we are willing to admit the "brothers in the Middle East" are here and obsessed with waging war on us "infidels"? Mr. WVAF is dedicated to his faith. To suggest that he is as dangerous as Islamic Jihadists is absurd. .

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:41 pm on Sun, May 12, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I think, maybe, that the reaction to his writings are due to the prejudices of those reading his letters with a frame of mind already against him...and then they use the occasion to attack, not Mr. Fields, but their own dislikes or even hatred of Christianity or just religion in general.

    I am a Christian, Mr. Portal, and I think that if I ever expressed opinions about other religions as WVAF has done here, I would expect to have a very serious conversation with my spiritual leader.

    WVAF is a HATER. Christians, by the very virtue of Christ's teachings, should not be haters. You can characterize this man in any way you wish, but his hateful writings speak for themselves.

     
  • Ron Portal posted at 12:08 pm on Sun, May 12, 2013.

    Ron Portal Posts: 120

    All this is expected, I suppose, when one voices an opinion on a subject such as religion. In the ages after the Lord was crucified gov'ts run by kings, tyrants, despots, etc. used Christianity and it's adherers to further their temporal goals of conquest. like much of the followers of Islam today who are illiterate and so get their knowledge from so-called holy men and easily swept one way or another [usually in violence] so it was in the early centuries following the crucifixion of Christ. Only priests could read and the population that was hungry for hope in a very cruel world believed what the priests told them. They believed in a lie. Then Martin Luther among others made it possible for all to read and understand the true meaning of scripture which is to love the Lord with all your heart and to love one another. God loves all peoples from all lands...period. But not all will believe. If you are saying what the Muslims are doing not only to non-believers but mostly to themselves is a religion of peace then your definition of peace is opposite of mine and Webster's dictionary. You do know that the group responsible for more killings of Muslims are Muslims themselves. It's true as Walter Chang states that secularism is a real enemy of any religious faith but do secularists go into public places and set off bombs killing men, women, and children? Do they treat their women like breeding cattle and subjugate them afraid to offend their men for fear of mutilation or death? Is there freedom of religion, the press and many other freedoms we take for granted available in a Muslim society? No. So those who defend this behavior , especially women, is not comprehensible to me. To end, Mr. Fields is a very compassionate and gentle man in person. My wife delivered the Stockton Record to him for 20 years and he showed himself to be a true Christian gentleman. I think, maybe, that the reaction to his writings are due to the prejudices of those reading his letters with a frame of mind already against him...and then they use the occasion to attack, not Mr. Fields, but their own dislikes or even hatred of Christianity or just religion in general. But no matter what you believe or don't believe...the fact is that God loves you and He wants us to love Him...willingly. He has given us our own free will for us to decide to do right or not. When men decide to not to do right you see the cruelty that follows.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:31 am on Sun, May 12, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    There should be a contest to see who can submit the most offensive, bigoted, ignorant, and divisive piece of garbage just to see what the limits are of what the LNS will print before trash like this letter is rejected.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:35 am on Sun, May 12, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1588

    I generally look at who wrote a letter these days before I submit myself to reading the garbage posted by the local extremest. Most I still read but billy fields is definitely on the no read list. Happy Mothers Day.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:30 am on Sun, May 12, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [smile]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:28 am on Sun, May 12, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Yes here in the West we have managed to keep our Religious extremists like Mr Fields in a bag. The main reason is because we recognize them for what they are. They are and will always be with us. It is only through vigilance that we keep them from imitating their brothers in the Middle East.

     
  • Lawrence Steinberg posted at 6:27 am on Sun, May 12, 2013.

    Lawrence Steinberg Posts: 65

    Crusades anyone?

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:49 am on Sun, May 12, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    I am always amused when someone feels obligated to invoke ancient history in an attempt to make a case. I am very well aware of the atrocities that took place in the name of Christianity. I am also very well aware of the situation TODAY of the atrocities that Islamics are perpetrating in the name of their religion. Perhaps the Jehovah's Witness door bell ringers are packing guns these days waring people to convert to their beliefs or die? By the way, it has been proven the world is not flat and they have done away with the Salem witch trials.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:27 pm on Sat, May 11, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Robert, you are embarrassing yourself with your complete and utter lack of knowing Christian history. Mr Fields words are echoes of the words spoken by those who have committed atrocity after atrocity in the name of Jesus. Does this mean all Christians are like Mr Fields? Absolutely not, The majority of people of all faiths are people just trying to get along. It is extremists like Mr Fields who are the problem. They claim a direct pipeline to God and they all claim to know what is good for everyone else.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 8:47 pm on Sat, May 11, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 606

    Mr. Chang: You are indeed a man of knowledge. [wink]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 7:50 pm on Sat, May 11, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1161

    WAKE SHEEP!

    Christianity in America's worst enemy?

    Secularism!!

    [smile]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 7:49 pm on Sat, May 11, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1161


    "Yet, just by pulling out a piece of Scripture here and there is unlikely to result in any form of true 'understanding' of 'Christianity.'"

    But picking out snippets of scripture in a attempt to bolster the argument against equality and gay marriage is OK?

    Think: hypocrite.

    Thousand words in Leviticus, ignore them all except the twelve admonishing homosexuality.

    Same thing with Deuteronomy, toss aside a hundred chapters but repeatedly quote the favorite two.

    The Archconservative/Retrogressive "Christian" crowd brought the bible to the discussion.

    So it's now fair game. No??

    [huh]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 7:49 pm on Sat, May 11, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1161

    For Jerry:

    "Nothing personal, it's just business."

    Alinsky's RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”

    Alinsky's RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.”

    Alinksy's RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”

    [wink]

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 6:22 pm on Sat, May 11, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 606

    Mr. Lucas: The best four lines I have read in a long time. Are all these different religions needed in the first place, yes they do, to fight and die over. Glad I`m none of the above, seems I haven`t missed much. Why would we want to understand each other`s religion when you can`t understand your own. Thank God for what, my wife having breast cancer and myself with prostate cancer. Thanks to wonderful doctors at Kaiser my wife is an18 year survivor and I am still hanging on, that's the reverse side of thank God. OK Jerome, and your answer is. The middle east possess Gods wreaking crew.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 1:55 pm on Sat, May 11, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    So, you are saying that WVAF is no different than those who are on a campaign to murder all non-Christians and burn their Temples, Churches, Synagogues or any other house of worship that doesn't espouse the Muslim/Islamic ideologies? How sad that someone who pretends to be a learned poster would ever embarass themselves with such a assinine accusation.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:05 pm on Sat, May 11, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    FYI - the wording of your final paragraph indicates that you wish respect for your belief that religious texts are fairy tales and clap trap.

    Might want to consider rewording that.

    I agree with your first paragraph, but I highly doubt that WVAF has ANY understanding of the Koran or the religion of Islam at all beyond what he sees on the nightly news or other media.

    Yet he feels HE is qualified to condemn that religion.

    Does he realize the Jesus Christ is a very important figure in Islam - that Christ is considered a messenger of God and the Messiah?

    I suggest he take an intensive course in Islam before writing letters about Christians and Muslims being at war.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:15 am on Sat, May 11, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    Mr. Van Amber Fields aptly puts it: "If we want to understand what makes each other tick, we only need to understand each other's religion and holy writing."

    Yet, just by pulling out a piece of Scripture here and there is unlikely to result in any form of true "understanding" of "Christianity." Indeed, there have been many here on this very forum who have attempted to do just that in an attempt to ridicule, demean and dismiss the true nature of what Christ wants for and OF us. It takes careful study, prayer and consideration to reconcile God's Word before and then after the death of Jesus Christ.

    On the other hand, for those who truly do believe that the Bible and other religious texts are nothing but a collection of fairy tales or other such claptrap, might I suggest a little respect for those of us who do? I know that's asking a tad too much, but in light of all the demands being made contrary to what we believe, I don't think it is. (LTOB.)

     
  • John Dale posted at 10:04 am on Sat, May 11, 2013.

    Jdale Posts: 1

    How often do we hear/read this sort of dishonest drivel - "the other guy's religion is bad / dangerous / evil / threatening, but mine is pure and good (because of course mine is the true one, and I have the creator of the universe on my side)" ?

    The truth is of course that they're all equally ludicrous puerile superstitions, and they all tick along fairly well as long as they are not challenged by another one. When they do come into conflict the inevitable "my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend" squabbles ensue and the rest of us are collateral damage in the crossfire.

    The only war that will still be raging when our grandchildren's grandchildren are the innocent victims, will be the one between ignorant superstitious tribalism and compassionate rational humanity.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 9:52 am on Sat, May 11, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Nothing worse than Christian "extremist", in thier quest for world domination, slaughtering, raping and burning non-Christians houses of worship because they are non-Christians.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:45 am on Sat, May 11, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [thumbup]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:36 am on Sat, May 11, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [thumbup]

    There is absolutely NO difference between Muslim Extremists and Christian extremists like William Van Amber Fields.

    Both are dangerous and I would be willing to bet that WVAF does NOT represent the thinking of mainstream Christians.

     
  • Lawrence Steinberg posted at 8:03 am on Sat, May 11, 2013.

    Lawrence Steinberg Posts: 65

    Our world today is plagued by Fundamentalism. Fundamentalism comes in many flavors (Christian, Muslim, Jewish, etc) but, when you strip away all the bells and whistles designed to pander to the locals it all has one overarching goal and that is to replace civil society with a totalitarian theocracy.

    Guys like Bill Amberfields are just foot soldiers in the global jihad to smash Freedom, Liberty and Democracy and replace it with the crushing Fist of Theocracy.

     
  • Will Rainwater posted at 7:33 am on Sat, May 11, 2013.

    Will Rainwater Posts: 45

    Christian extremist??? Lucas, what letter are you reading? Thank God for decent, right-minded, articulate men like Mr. Van Amber Fields!!!!

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:31 am on Sat, May 11, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I wish Christian extremists like Mr. Fields and Muslim extremists could go somewhere and fight their battles and leave the rest of us alone. I really find it hard to tell them apart. They seem to have the same political views. I often wonder why they do not join forces.

     

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