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Posted: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:00 am

“The fool has said in his heart, there is no God” (Psalms 14:1). Benjamin Franklin said in a statement at the Constitutional Convention on June 28, 1787, “We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writing, that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that built it.”

Every one of our 50 states has in its Constitution or founding documents a preamble or opening statement, a reference to the God of the Bible, as Creator, Almighty or some form of the word “Deity.”

Fast forward to the 1920s; the fraudulent “Scopes Monkey Trial” opens the door for the lie of evolution to be forced on our school children. Then comes the work of one atheist woman getting Bible readings and prayer thrown out of our schools, with the resulting tragedies that followed.

To ensure his getting elected to the Presidency of the United States, Lyndon Johnson got a law passed making it illegal for churches and their pastor to speak out publicly for or against a political candidate or law.

Roe vs. Wade legalized the murder of innocent pre-born children. A same-sex leaning district judge declares California’s Prop. 8 — protecting normal marriage between one man and one woman, passed by millions of voters — to be unconstitutional. Military Christian chaplains are told they cannot use the name Jesus as part of their ministry to our servicemen and women. The United States President addressed Planned Parenthood, and invokes a God’s blessing on those who kill babies. Now atheists are trying to get our national motto “In God We Trust” off coins and other legal items.

Christians, if we don’t speak for our Constitutional rights very soon, they will be trampled underfoot along with the principles which have made America the greatest nation on earth.

Olive Francis

Lodi

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25 comments:

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:06 am on Thu, May 30, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    There is absolutely no rhyme or reason OR consistency to the way comments are treated in this forum.

    Stay tuned.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 8:49 am on Thu, May 30, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "Dupe"

    This morning I posted the a quote from Webster's dictionary.

    It broke no rules but vanished anyway.

    Administrative LNS action?

    Or...

    Retaliatory action courstesy of the "Airman Blog Squad" ??


    [beam]

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 2:20 am on Thu, May 30, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    Thank you all for the "kind" rebuke regarding my misconception of the National Cathedral. I based my comments on information I received many years ago from someone I deeply trusted. Clearly I should have done some further investigation on my own. I don't mind being corrected when I'm wrong.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:57 pm on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    29 FSA groups have pledged allegiance to Al-Nusra, which was responsible for killing U.S. troops in Iraq, immediately after the group was declared a terrorist organization by the State Department back in December.
    [sleeping]

    "Wilful ignorance in the age of Google" Walter...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9735988/Syrian-rebels-defy-US-and-pledge-allegiance-to-jihadi-group.html

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:50 pm on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Walter,
    You are demonstrating "Wilful ignorance in the age of Google."
    [sleeping]

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/world/middleeast/jihadists-receiving-most-arms-sent-to-syrian-rebels.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:36 pm on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "Perhaps Mr. Kinderman should do some research about the National Cathedral and find out just how "ominous" this church is."

    I'm flabbergasted.

    Anxiety.

    Wilful ignorance in the age of Google.

    It's indicative of a pattern.

    I'm flummoxed too!

    [smile]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:16 pm on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    WAKE SHEEP!

    The Syrian rebels receive only nonlethal aid from the United States.

    Baaaaah... Baaaaah...

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:03 pm on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    John McCain told CNN that members of the extremist group represent only 7% of the 100,000 total rebel forces. "We can help the right people," he said. "Is there some risk involved? Absolutely. But is the status quo acceptable?"

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/29/syria-visit-steels-mccains-resolve/?hpt=hp_t1

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 5:55 pm on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "Curious what denomination"

    Satellite TV preachers.

    Not talking Joel Osteen.

    Think John Hagee, Jimmy Swaggert, Rod Parsons and their ilk!

    [smile]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:34 pm on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Meanwhile... President Pinnocchio continues to arm and fund Islamic terrorists who are killing Christians.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:08 pm on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Kinderman wrote: "Now as far as I can tell, the only thing in the United States that comes even close to the establishment of a government religion is the National Cathedral in Washington, D.C. For as long as I can remember I’ve been concerned about it (and what goes on inside of it) being a violation of the First Amendment."

    WOW!! I cannot believe I just read this! The National Cathedral is not a government established church. "and what goes on inside it?" Seriously?

    Perhaps Mr. Kinderman should do some research about the National Cathedral and find out just how "ominous" this church is.

    It is a plain vanilla Episcopal Church that happens to be within the borders of Washington, DC. It is owned and run by the Episcopal diocese of Washington, DC. It is COMMONLY called "The National Cathedral," but it's officially The Cathedral Church of Saint Peter and Saint Paul.

    The church is open to people of all Christian faiths.

    Perhaps you have read that it was established by a "charter" from the US Congress - calm down - that is how businesses and corporations were granted legal status within the city limits of Washington, DC and has absolutely no relationship to the government of the US.

    Paranoia Plus. Statements like the above is exactly how "radicals" of every stripe start to think that plots are hatched to takeover/circumvent the Constitution.

    Curious what denomination Mr. Kinderman claims - betting on Baptist, Lutheran or Pentacostal.

    www.nationalcathedral.org Visit it sometime. It's a beautiful piece of architecture to boot.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:15 pm on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Have you heard of anyone going to jail for saying "Merry Christmas"? Why do you want to say that to anyone who is not a Christian? I believe that this is a non issue made up by people who do not want to discuss the more important issues that we are facing. You think otherwise. We will just have to disagree.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:53 pm on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    Without beating a dead horse, I must disagree with your notion that all governmental entities should “remain neutral.” That’s not what the First Amendment is ensuring at all. What it DOES insist upon is that the government cannot “establish” its own religion (I’ll leave it to you or anyone else to research the definition of “establish.” Naturally, the Founders were referring to what they were escaping from in England - the Church of England and the pressure its government brought to bear on the citizens of that nation regarding it. Now as far as I can tell, the only thing in the United States that comes even close to the establishment of a government religion is the National Cathedral in Washington, D.C. For as long as I can remember I’ve been concerned about it (and what goes on inside of it) being a violation of the First Amendment.

    But by permitting the use of the phrase “Merry Christmas” by anyone including government employees in government buildings in no way establishes a government religion. So long as those employees are not required to use the phrase or prohibited from using other sectarian or non-sectarian phrases in its stead, then no violations are occurring.

    Sadly, we’ve been led astray by organizations that DO have ulterior motives when attempting to thwart the free practice of religion by all the people. They clearly do want to establish a nation “free from religion.” I won’t enumerate them here as they’re obvious and not too hard to find on the Internet and elsewhere for anyone who really wants to investigate.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:36 pm on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I believe in the free market place of ideas. It is vital that everything is aired. What I worry about is when government supports any religious belief. The second it does it is giving sanction to one and excluding others. A good example is school prayer. Jesus would be against this unless we built a closet for every child to pray in. No government entity has the right to define or take a lead in any spiritual direction. It must remain neutral.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:38 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    With all due respect, this makes no sense to me. Having freedom “of” religion seems to have been sufficient enough for the Founders to ensure that no governmental entity would ever be able to establish its own religion and force everyone (or anyone) to follow its dogma. In fact, it goes without saying that since we have the God-given right to choose our manner of spiritual life, how would assuring that we are free “from” religion do anything more in that assurance?

    From what I’ve come to understand it, this so-called freedom “from” religion has only recently raised its head through the onslaught of political correctness driven mostly by the liberal left. People have come to actually believe that they have the right to not be offended - that who and in the manner people decide to worship cannot insult or otherwise offend anyone else. And if it does, then those who are offended now have the right to be shielded from such offense.

    I’m offended all the time in all manner of ways by the way other people live their lives. So what! So long as what they’re doing doesn’t violate any laws or trample on my rights then I simply have to deal with it as best I can. This incredibly silly notion that “ooh, that bothers me so you can’t say or do that” smacks of liberalism run amuck. “Merry Christmas” offends some because they don’t believe in Jesus Christ - so now it must be Happy Holidays or some other non-offensive comment that department store clerks must utter to ensure that they make their sale.

    So no, there is no freedom “from” religion because we already have the irrevocable right to worship as we please free from governmental intervention. As far as other people are concerned, they simply need to look the other way and allow others to worship as they please.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:02 pm on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I am saying you cannot have one without the other. You cannot have freedom to choose your own spiritual beliefs without the assurance that no government entity may force one upon you.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:37 pm on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "war"

    The rabble are approaching the temple gates.

    Quick Caiaphas...

    Call out the Roman guard!!

    [smile]

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 4:35 pm on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    Are you then suggesting that freedom “from” religion is synonymous with freedom “of” religion? If you are, then there’s probably no need to debate any further. But if not, I’d be very interested in understanding what you believe those differences might be.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:04 pm on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Jerome, when people talk about freedom from religion what they are saying because of the First Amendment assures each of us are entitled to our own spiritual beliefs that no government entity can force belief on anyone. In the marketplace of ideas all people have a right to put up their ideas. As Bill Maher says, " this is America and that is how we roll". I could be wrong but I think if Ms Francis had the power she would force her beliefs on everyone. I would not and I do not think you would either. This is the heart of being an American.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:35 pm on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    While I agree that Ms. Francis’ letter was not sufficiently researched prior to being submitted to the News-Sentinel as Mr. Lucas aptly outlines in the second and third paragraphs of his 6:55 a.m. post this morning, where he runs astray are his inferences that in her letter Ms. Francis charges that she is being forced “to have an abortion, enter into a same sex marriage, or forced to believe in science (evolution).”

    While she makes reference to certain historical occurrences that run contrary to what she believes, I don’t see where she either believes she’s being forced to believe something else OR that she’s trying to force others to believe as she does. Clearly she’s speaking to Christians to begin standing up for their (our) beliefs before liberalism becomes successful in its apparent war against people of faith. And like her, I DO believe there is a war being waged that to have us silenced. Indeed, the First Amendment does not include any reference to “freedom ‘from’ religion” as so many on the far left would have us believe.

    But again, while I applaud her efforts I would have hoped that Ms. Francis might have taken extra time to ensure her facts were straight before submitting her letter.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:14 am on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    thx

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:00 am on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    Well said John. [thumbup]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:13 am on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [smile]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:44 am on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [thumbup]

    No doubt it is that time again - a new release of the JBS newsletter and talking points.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:55 am on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I am so sorry that Ms Francis’s Constitutional rights have been so much trampled upon. It seems from her letter that her “rights” consist of making everyone else live according to her values. I do not think anyone is forcing her to have an abortion, enter into a same sex marriage, believe in science (evolution) or not engage in her spiritual beliefs. She just wants to force by law everyone else to obey her views. She does this in the name of “Freedom”.

    It is not illegal for churches or their pastors to speak out publicly for or against a political candidate or law. If they do they just lose the tax exempt status. Most churches and pastors do this anyway skirting the law one way or another.

    Military chaplains are not told they cannot use the name Jesus as part of their ministry to our servicemen and women. What they are not allowed to do is proselytize to those who are of other faiths or no faith and do not want to be preached to. Ms Francis thinks people should be forced to listen in the name of “freedom”.

    Ms Francis’s call for a Christian dictatorship in the name of “Freedom” is very interesting

     

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