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Posted: Saturday, April 5, 2014 12:00 am

I appreciated Gary Maurer’s recent letter regarding the “racist rants” of so-called rocker Ted Nugent — Vietnam draft dodger and darling of Republican Party candidates who wish to attract the species of voters that endorse his breed of bottom-dweller. In case you didn’t catch the letter, Nugent was quoted as saying that President Obama is “a sub-human mongrel.”

As could be predicted, Mr. Maurer’s letter brought a couple of our local bottom-dwellers racing to the surface. One commented online: “Right you are, M. Mauer. Ted Nugent owes a sincere apology to all of the mongrels in America.” Another raced to his dictionary to prove that Ted Nugent was correct in calling the President of the United States a mongrel, commenting: “According to Merriam-webster (sic) President Obama is a mongrel. Does that make Merriam-webster racist? Who else thinks President Obama is a mongrel?” Dictionary.com denotes the use of “mongrel” to describe a person of mixed race as “taboo,” “something that is deemed unacceptable to society.”

But these comments are not new to those who regularly post or read comments online on the LNS website. I have found that so-called “conservative,” or more properly “right-wing,” individuals make a habit of name-calling those with whom they disagree. Just a sample of what our president is called in letters and comments: “Dear Leader” — a comparison to North Korea’s sociopathic leader. Then there is “President Pinocchio,” “Liar in Chief,” “King Obama” and “Imperial President” — a Fox News favorite used by our locals — and the often-used comparisons to Stalin, Hitler, Castro, etc.

Next come the ridiculously juvenile “name modifications”: “Obummer,” “Oblamo,” “Rachel MadCow.” You would think these individuals were residents of a local kindergarten playground.

What I find most despicable about these characters, though, is their constant use of denigrating labels for their fellow citizens of Lodi with a more left-leaning viewpoint. Some favorites used often are “mentally oblivious morons,” “Obamanoids,” “those with minds of mush, or willfully ignorant,” “Libtards,” “Liberal lemmings.”

Oh, and all the above supported by the Lodi News-Sentinel editorial staff in violation of their own rules.

Joanne Bobin

Lodi

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40 comments:

  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:39 am on Fri, Apr 11, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1562

    Isn't that what we have been doing to theodore is responding in kind.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:36 am on Fri, Apr 11, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1562

    I think sincere means heartfelt and as you say it may be true some apologies are based political expediency or they may have been forced, these would not be excepted as sincere. If someone is apologizing aren't they admitting wrong and if so shouldn't they change positions? Anyway think theodor's apology falls under neither of those catagories. I think mr. gonzo was just apologizing to get an opportunity to insult again. He really is a repulsive human being and I went to about six of his concerts when I was a kid I grew up unfortunately the sweet poontang crooner never did.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:09 pm on Wed, Apr 9, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1562

    How about if we tolerate Christians but deny them a legal marriage, surely you wouldn't have a problem with that.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 2:24 pm on Wed, Apr 9, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2362

    I disagree. Usually if it's a Republican or conservative offering an apology for something, it's met with doubts about his/her sincerity or that they were forced into it or they only did it for political expediency. That may all be true - but clearly "sincere apologies are 'not' excepted (sic)." Maybe it all comes down to the definition of "sincere," translated as changing one's position on an issue simply to placate someone else.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 2:17 pm on Wed, Apr 9, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2362

    There's plenty of speech going on here that I find offensive, but I've never suggested that someone should be shut down (unless they violate the rules as stated on this forum). Of course the same cannot be said of mostly those on the far left - you know, the ones who are more compassionate, inclusive and caring than anyone else on Earth - unless you happen to disagree with them.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 2:13 pm on Wed, Apr 9, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2362

    In a country that used to treasure our right to speak out should anyone be implored to keep their rants to themselves?!? Why does the First Amendment exist if not to protect each one of us so that we can speak our minds freely and openly?

    Of course I agree that no one should be threatened, but when one has the microphone or the newspaper or the airwaves, that gives them the opportunity to speak their minds. If we don't like what they say we have the right to respond in kind. But to insist again that they keep their opinions to themselves is indeed un-American.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:18 am on Wed, Apr 9, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1562

    Sincere apologies are generally excepted. I don't think we should "leave alone" a highly visible entertainer when the put there opinions out there to be judged if theodore wanted to be left alone he should keep his racist rants to himself.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:59 am on Wed, Apr 9, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I'm curious, Mr. Kinderman - do you think that "Christians" like Pat Robertson and the fortunately deceased leader of the Westboro Baptist Church ,who have both claimed that disasters in the US are due to homosexuals or the acceptance of homosexuality, were not "condemning" homosexuals?

    Unfortunately for you, you live in a country where your religious freedom bestowed by the Constitution does not mesh with other freedoms given by that same Constitution - i.e., EQUAL RIGHTS.

    Whoa...too bad homosexuals are DEMANDING equal rights, while YOU, at the same time, are demanding that YOUR right as a Christian in this land of religious freedom is to deny them those rights.

    But, of course, YOU would never see it that way since you believe that religious freedom somehow supersedes individual freedoms and civil rights - of course, as long as they are not breaking any CIVIL laws.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:46 am on Wed, Apr 9, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I'm so glad that you know exactly what goes on in President Obama's head, Mr. Kinderman.

    But you could be on to something....

    Perhaps the biggest hint that makes your suggestion credible, believe it or not, is the statements Nugent made subsequent to the "apology," i.e., calling the president a racist and and Nazi.

    That is akin to apologizing for calling one "an Idiot" by stating..."oooh, sorry for that...I thought you were too stupid to know the definition of idiot."

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:40 am on Wed, Apr 9, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    FYI, Mr. Nelson - there are NO RULES for letter writers...only for those who post comments.

    This is quite evident by all the letters written by right-wing thinkers that contain some of the most offensive language I have ever read.

    Contact Richard Hanner, Editor of the LNS, if you don't believe me.

     
  • Charles Nelson posted at 10:12 am on Tue, Apr 8, 2014.

    Charles Nelson Posts: 259

    That should have read "in this letter".

     
  • Charles Nelson posted at 10:11 am on Tue, Apr 8, 2014.

    Charles Nelson Posts: 259

    Just out of curiosity Ms. Bobin, do you consider your use of the term "local bottom dweller" is this very letter to be "degrading"? Seems you violated rule #5, but they printed your letter anyway.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:00 am on Tue, Apr 8, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2362

    It wouldn't have mattered if Ted Nugent had made the very best apology in the history of apologies - it wouldn't have been accepted. So leave the guy alone now. The whole idea of demanding someone apologize for something knowing full well that it won't be accepted has become laughable.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:51 am on Tue, Apr 8, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2362

    I'm really curious as to whom you believe are these "hypocritical 'Christians' in this town who preach and shout their beliefs and politics, then sit back and do NOTHING."

    What makes you think they're hypocritical; and what makes you think they do nothing? Look, there's no doubt the First and Second Amendments are under attack by the far-left in this country. Insofar as same-sex marriage is concerned, our guide book - The Holy Bible - is clear on the subject of "homosexuality." And while keeping to that standard, as Christians we also know that those who participate in homosexual activity have every opportunity to enter the Kingdom of God when their time comes. We do NOT condemn homosexuals - that is not our right. But we have every right to believe what we know to be true. If that bothers those who choose not to believe, then that's simply on them. Why not leave us alone - you know, "tolerate" us, just as we've been implored to tolerate homosexuals, which we certainly do - and much more.

    But this so-called tolerance that was asked of us years ago has quickly turned to demanding acceptance; and now the stakes are even higher - we are to celebrate their sexuality. I'm sorry, but that is something we cannot do. So why is that such a big problem with everyone else? Hypocrisy would be if we were to acquiesce to their demands. I think in the final analysis, there are far too many non-Christians who simply don't understand what Christianity is all about. Oh, I know there are many Christians who have much to learn - and I'm one of them. After all - like you, we aren't perfect and we've never purported to be.

    At this point, simply leave us alone. You demand for the end of name-calling. I agree. But you make this command just one sentence after calling many Christians hypocritical. Is that lost on you? If so, then so be it. I really don't care.

     
  • Mary Ragusa posted at 8:44 pm on Mon, Apr 7, 2014.

    lilragu Posts: 21

    oops! OUR fair share!

     
  • Mary Ragusa posted at 8:43 pm on Mon, Apr 7, 2014.

    lilragu Posts: 21

    Rules of conduct for LNS:
    #2 No vulgar, lewd or racist language.
    #5 No racism or other -ism degrading to another person.
    Well, it all flies in spite of these two rules posted just above this comment space! One of the reasons I not longer subscribe to the printed paper!! Another reason: I was not born nor was I raised in Lodi. I am not close minded like so many people here. I don't shun people from races, religions, or sexual preferences that differ from mine. Educated people should be open to what goes on in the world...filter out what you do no like but do not criticize others unless they are hurting you. Yeah, the economy is not great, everything costs more, I am retiring on very little, but that's OK. I have my family, my health, and my friends. I have a home and a little extra to share with others. I am giving to those who are less fortunate...like many of our Mexican farm workers and their children who go hungry most days! I do what I can for others but I don't criticize others for not helping out...There are many hypocritical "Christians" in this town who preach and shout out their beliefs and politics, then sit back and do NOTHING!! Stop the name calling and show by your actions that you are trying to change things...the President's not going to do it on his own; no President can do it alone. We all need to do out fair share!

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:03 pm on Mon, Apr 7, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Are all individuals who support and defend our Constitution piles Mr. Barrow or just me? Never mind...I understand.

    Liberal logic allows YOUR name-calling.[lol]

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 4:46 pm on Mon, Apr 7, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 423

    I remember quite well the level of hatred many held for Bush, being called a deserter, a war criminal, Nazi, a moral coward, and all those mean-spirited jokes about his intelligence, as a sitting president. There was a lot of moral indignation and hatred toward Clinton with the whole Lewinski affair, too. With Bush Sr and Reagan, there was criticism, too, but I agree it wasn't as hateful. Maybe the difference is the society we live in now--with the Internet and instant access to technology and information--that puts it out there much more than before. Freedom of speech has evolved, just as our society and culture has.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:18 pm on Mon, Apr 7, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1562

    Your free to say what you want and I'm free to call you a pile for doing so.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:06 pm on Mon, Apr 7, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Here's an update on Nugent's so-called "apology" for calling Obama a sub-human mongrel:

    "Tom Tancredo (who has Nugent's backing for his campaign) noted Nugent had apologized for the remark.

    Critics said it was a half-hearted apology, and Nugent then went on to attack Obama, calling him a lying, law-breaking racist who engages in Nazi tactics.

    The apology came after Nugent was criticized by a number of Republicans, including Sens. Rand Paul of Kentucky and John McCain of Arizona."

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:43 am on Mon, Apr 7, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Personally, I find your disdain for the Constitutional protection of our right to free speech despicable.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:11 am on Mon, Apr 7, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1562

    I partially disagree I don't know about historic Presidents but I do remember the last 5 and I have never heard this level of hatred for a sitting American President from the people of the United States or from the media.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:58 am on Mon, Apr 7, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich: Again - I refer to the letter that precipitated your original comment.

    I did not deny that Obama called himself a mongrel. The matter was more about Ted Nugent calling him a "SUB-HUMAN" mongrel - a term that the Nazis used to justify the extermination of the Jews.

    That is what is despicable.

    But if you wish to use your youtube video as evidence to justify your comment and his, go ahead. It is irrelevant.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 10:22 pm on Sun, Apr 6, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 423

    [thumbup]

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 10:21 pm on Sun, Apr 6, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 423

    I don't think the "level of hatred and venemous talk" against President Obama is unprecedented in our history. John Adams was vilified in his day, the Corrupt Bargain hung over his son''s administration. President Jackson was resoundingly criticized for acting as a King, Lincoln was castigated in his day, Andrew Johnson (and later Clinton) was even impeached for purely political reasons! Look at the hatred for Kennedy because of his Catholicism, LBJ for Civil Rights & Vietnam, Carter for everything in the 1970s, and, most recently, all the venom said about President Bush. These are but a few examples; it's all part of the job and the criticism of Obama is no worse in an historic sense. It isn't an attempt to destroy our country, it is just people exercising their Constitutional right to speak out for a redress of their grievances; it is the mark of a free society.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:03 pm on Sun, Apr 6, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Careful when you speak of "spelling," Mr. Walters. YOU have never even been able to spell MY name correctly, let alone many other words, despite it being right in front of you on these pages.

    Apparently, you must have READ my letter, despite your denial, in order to comment. Your disingenuousness is astounding.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:57 pm on Sun, Apr 6, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Wing-nuts, Whack-jobs (I personally think that one was made by a right-wing person on this site in regard to liberals), etc......

    Slurs directed at conservatives.

    Give me some links to my comments. I doubt you will be able to prove your claim.

    Oh, I DO admit to "right-wingnuts" and don't apologize for it. We have enough examples in our media and GOP to justify that appellation - Ted Nugent being NUMBER ONE - competing with Rush Limbaugh.

    But, if you ADMIRE Ted and Rush, then I apologize to your sensitive sensibilities.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 9:26 pm on Sun, Apr 6, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 423

    Oh Walter, I just laughed out loud! Hilarious! You definitely get the quack of the day, maybe the week!!!

    But, I think Ms Mounce will sit this one out... Maybe some other "small-minded, name-dropping" fellow citizens in Lodi will chime in for her with a comment or two about hypocrisy and condescension... or chocolate cake? [wink]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:56 pm on Sun, Apr 6, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I find it remarkable that Ms. Bobin can't digest the fact that Obama referred to himself as a mongrel.

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 8:13 pm on Sat, Apr 5, 2014.

    John Kindseth Posts: 245

    Joanne: I agree with you. Do you agree that people on the liberal side who refer to conservatives as “Wing-nuts”, “Whack jobs”, “Right wing whackkos” and countless other strident name calling phrases fall into the same category ? I refer to your long and storied history of daisy-chain pedestrian slurs directed at conservatives. Perhaps it is time for you to examine that of which you espouse. I think there is enough of said slurring to fill the buckets of both sides of political water carriers. Good of you to identify slurring on one side of the political spectrum, lets watch to see how well you are able to contain your slurs on the other side….

     
  • Gary Maurer posted at 6:48 pm on Sat, Apr 5, 2014.

    Gary Maurer Posts: 16

    Thanx Ms Bobbin for your comments and observations regarding my letter and the predictably revealing responses it generated. Of course, our local winger warren demonstrates the same disturbing thought process as Nugent. They are of the same ilk, but I guess we can be thankful they don't command audiences like Texas politicians. It is probably good they can express themselves in a small town paper.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:04 pm on Sat, Apr 5, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 1149

    I wonder if JoAnne Mounce will stop by and comment??

    [beam]

     
  • Charles Nelson posted at 3:08 pm on Sat, Apr 5, 2014.

    Charles Nelson Posts: 259

    I find the selective outrage buy lefties to be quite humorous. I wonder if Ms. Bobin was equally offended by the likes of Chris Matthews, Molly Ivins, and Keith Olberman's incessant name calling of President Bush on a national level, as she is by the few bloggers here, and the few dozen people who bother to read them.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:01 pm on Sat, Apr 5, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1562

    Nice letter Joanne. I agree Kevin that name calling comes from both sides but the level of hatred and venomous talk towards this President of The United States has been unprecedented and yes some of it smacks of racism surprise, surprise, racism in the the USofA. What has been amazing in the last five years is the level that those who would carry a flag on the truck or fly one on their home have sought to damage this president and belittled this countries system of government. If you're an anarchist and want to destroy all forms of government than OK but if you claim to be a true dipped in the red, white and blue American than quit trying to destroy this country and use the system of government designed by the Founding Fathers and laid down in the Constitution to change it instead of screaming threats because things haven't gone your way. Did you ever stop to think that part of what the Founding Fathers designed was a government that forced a country as diverse as ours to get along?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 2:54 pm on Sat, Apr 5, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2362

    Just how in the world could the use of the words "Dear Leader" in reference to this president be considered derogatory? We are clearly heading toward a socialist society; from there to either communist or fascist. I believe this. What else could I believe when our thoughts are now being scrutinized by the government?

    It won't be long before believing that marriage should be between one man and one woman will result in a fine or even imprisonment; just as there are those who are in favor of tossing those who don't believe in man-made global warming should be tossed into a cell. Just recently a decent and good man was forced out of his job because he donated to the support of Proposition 8. Did anyone come to his defense? How about the president; what were his thoughts on the matter? After all, wasn't it Barack Hussein Obama who held an aptly-named "Beer Summit" in the Rose Garden to settle differences between an old friend of his and cops who behaved "stupidly" for doing nothing but trying to make sure that the president's friend's home wasn't being broken into.

    Liberalism is taking over this country - and liberalism is bad. Sure, they're cloaked as people who come across as inclusive and promoters of diversity. But only if we believe in what they demand us to believe. And President Obama is one of them. I believe he would welcome anyone referring to him as "Dear Leader." Or can only liberals/progressives refer to him using that term? And I thought they were inclusive! Silly me. I guess we'll just have to wait until the law is passed that will require us to call him "Dear Leader."

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 2:35 pm on Sat, Apr 5, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1562

    Andrew I'll say this for you ; you do stand by your statements I found it remarkable that you were willing to step up and claim that post.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 12:22 pm on Sat, Apr 5, 2014.

    the old dog Posts: 584

    Boben consicers its her side or no side. When considering spelling, Barry made an attempt to spell Aretha Franklin`s Respect, failed and went on. She seems to forget that in the last 6 years the national debt has risen 7 trillion dollars and the interest on that debt is 1 trillion dollars a year. If the LNS will print anything by Boben, it`s no wonder Ted Nugent is far game. I admit, when I saw who wrote that abomenation I chose to turn the page. Seems Boben broke at least half of the Rules of Conduct.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 8:59 am on Sat, Apr 5, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2050

    And to be clear: Name calling is never acceptable.

    There is a long tradition that names hold power and to manipulate a name is done solely for the purpose of diminishing the "power" that person has.

    It is truly sad that our political leaders from BOTH sides have lead us to a point where this country is split with real hostility towards anyone that disagrees with you.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 8:52 am on Sat, Apr 5, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2050

    So why is it fine for those on the Left to call Conservatives/Conservative thinking a disease (Anyone else remember that?)

    Why is it fine when someone disagrees with Obama the Left call them "racist"?

    Why is it fine to call Bush a "Dummy" for getting a c average in college?

    Why is it fine to call Rush "El Blimpo"?

    Interestingly, yesterday I linked an article talking about the psychology of Conservatives and Liberals and it stated this: "Some of us are more hierarchical, as opposed to egalitarian; some of us prefer harsher punishments for rule breakers, whereas some of us would be more inclined to forgive; some of us find outsiders or out-groups intriguing and enticing, whereas others find them threatening"

    Notice how it uses terms like "Hierarchical" (creates separation), "Harsher" (Sounds unforgiving), "Threatening" (Obvious implications) to describe conservatives. While using terms like " Egalitarian" (Had to look it up to be sure: characterized by belief in the equality of all people, especially in political, economic, or social life.), "Forgive" and "Intriguing and enticing" when describing Liberals.

    Negative terminology to describe Conservatives and positive to describe Liberals.

    So I will ask again, WHY is it ok to attack and insult Conservatives, but when done to Liberals it is taboo?

    Article referenced http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/inquiring-minds-john-hibbing-physiology-ideology

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:19 am on Sat, Apr 5, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Below is the post referenced in Ms. Bobin's letter.

    Please note the fact that she conveniently fails to mention the video link I provided after asking, "Who else thinks President Obama is a mongrel?" If you watch the video it will become quite clear why she decided to omit it from her letter.

    [sleeping] http://youtu.be/ZerO4KZDlBY

    Andrew Liebich posted at 1:18 pm on Thu, Mar 13, 2014.

    mon·grel
    noun \ˈmäŋ-grəl, ˈməŋ-\

    1. an individual resulting from the interbreeding of diverse breeds or strains; especially : one of unknown ancestry
    2. a cross between types of persons or things

    *Synonyms: cross, crossbred, crossbreed, intercross, hybrid

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mongrel

    According to merriam-webster President Obama is a mongrel. Does that make merriam-webster racist?

    Who else thinks President Obama is a mongrel?

    [sleeping] http://youtu.be/ZerO4KZDlBY

     

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