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Posted: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:15 am, Wed Oct 10, 2012.

I've personally seen the impact of $18 billion in statewide cuts in my classroom. Furlough days have been implemented, department budgets have been decimated and important services for students have been eliminated. California ranks near the bottom in per pupil spending and has the highest average class size. Proposition 30 is a reasonable and logical effort to address critical needs in public education and public safety.

Proposition 30 would increase income taxes for seven years on top income earners, by 1 percent on single filers making $250,000, 2 percent at $300,000 and 3 percent at $1 million. It would increase the sales tax for the next five years, about one cent on a $4 hamburger. Proposition 30 would cost a person making $50,000 a year an extra $62.50, and those making $100,000 a year an extra $125.

The non-partisan Legislative Analyst estimates the state would receive $7 to 9 billion in income the first year, with ongoing income of $5 to 7 billion a year. The taxpayer is protected since revenue will be placed in a special fund legislators cannot touch — with annual mandatory independent audits to assure funds are spent on education and public safety.

The revenue from Prop. 30 is already factored into the state budget. If it's defeated, there will be about $6 billion more in trigger cuts to education and public safety in this year's budget alone. We cannot cut our way to quality education.

Is Proposition 30 a fair tax? Absolutely. The top 1 percent has received over half of the income growth over the last decade, but is still paying the lowest rate of all income brackets in the state. Corporate tax receipts have declined as a percent of state GDP over the past decades. Proposition 30 assures that the wealthiest among us pay at least as much as the rest of us in state taxes.

The years of failed "trickle-down" economics have brought our state to the breaking point. We need to take the moral stand of reinvesting in schools, communities and essential services, and closing the state's deficit. Vote "yes" on Proposition 30 before more schools are cut and more public safety services are eliminated.

Alex Bauer

Galt High School teacher and president of the Galt Federation of Certificated and Classified Employees

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63 comments:

  • Mike Adams posted at 3:02 pm on Thu, Oct 18, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1379

    Perhaps a kinder, more gentle approach works with slower students.
    Here, I believe I've softened it, and made it just for you,easier to understand:

    Unions can spend their money how they wish and it's none of the public's business who they buy. There is no need for "transparency" since the union dues everyone has to pay is not the public's money. If they retain a lobbyist to convince Mr. or Ms. state senator to vote a particular way, and they get this vote by donating to his/her campaign, it's none of the public's business.

    I hope this has answered any of the questions you may have. I know it's difficult, not being the brightest boy in the 2nd grade, especially when you're 13, but look on the bright side.... you'll be able to drive by the 6th grade and drink beer somewhere around your first sophomore year. You'll be very popular. with your night job being assistant manager at Der Weinerschnitzel, you're own apartment, maybe your own kids you can bring to Exit Exam math class. Don't be embarrassed if they get arithmatic and you don't.

    And make sure you practice reading. That's so important. Get off your barcolounger and put your Vienna Sausages away. You really need a lot of work on comprehension and determining the meaning of what you read. Start with things that are "dumbed down" so that only most illiterate are unable to understand it. I recommend the sports page, but material you may pick up at Tea Party rallies or GOP get togethers would probably be your level. Maybe that little table at the back of gun shows where they wear black shirts and boots and spout words like "Christian" or "Jewish conspiracy". These guys are more your speed. Don't forget to pick up the pamphlet on how the Kennedy's wanted to start a race war while they took over the white house from 1961 to 1984. The book "Teddy Bare" is an excellent, low level reader and would be perfect for you.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:25 am on Thu, Oct 18, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Latimes.com

    Inappropriate Use of School Funds

    March 07, 2004


    As a public high school English teacher, I was appalled when California High School Exit Exam preparatory booklets were delivered to my 10th-grade honors English students. What this amounts to is 57 wasted books, as these honors students will have no trouble passing the upcoming exit exam. (Last year, Westlake High School's passage rate was somewhere in the 90th percentile, so I question the purchase of books for the vast majority of our students who obviously do not need them.)

    I marvel at the wisdom of the educational office that would decide that every 10th-grader in California (without regard for level) needs one of these booklets. Think of the gross misappropriation of funds that instead could be spent on reduced class sizes, for one thing. It's this kind of inane spending that makes the March 2 bond issues hard to swallow.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:18 am on Thu, Oct 18, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Mike,

    Thanks for the uplifting remarks about me. Hey, isn't that a spitwod coming your way? :)

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:09 am on Thu, Oct 18, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Mike,

    You insist no one is concerned about where the money goes, yet there are many opposed to prop 30. But you're the expert. Have a nice day.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 7:14 am on Thu, Oct 18, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1379

    Your whole thought process is completely in disarray. I read your posts occasionally and am struck that you continually draw the wrong conclusions based on your limited knowledge of a subject and anger over just about everything.

    "...you are unwilling to even speculate on misappropriation of funds in fear of of being alienated by your ciircle of friends and colleagues as a snitch. It's not uncommon for people not willing to blow the whistle."

    What the hell are you talking about? It's clear after our limited exchange that you are not worth even reading any longer. Your lack of focus, short attention span, and total reliance on rumor render your posts a waste of space. If you have some sort of "information" about "misappropriation"
    of something from who knows where you should contact someone. I'm sorry you didn't do well in school. I'm sure you were always right and the teacher always wrong. I've seen a lot of your type over the years. Long term anger over a perceived slight rolling around inside your head all these years. You should seek some sort of help. Well no, that wouldn't do any good. People like you just sit in the stands complaining about what the coach is doing. Picking on everything, not fully realizing that you know so little, your entire strategy for a game would be nothing more than quips and quotes of what you have heard over the years thrown together into some unintelligible strand of random words.


     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:25 am on Wed, Oct 17, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Mike,

    The point you want to overlook is the FACT you were a teacher-adminstrator for 30 years. It seems to me and probably others you are unwilling to even speculate on misappropriation of funds in fear of of being alienated by your ciircle of friends and colleagues as a snitch. It's not uncommon for people not willing to blow the whistle.
    I'm sure there's a lot a stake for you if you were to take this step. So, in the meantime, do yourself a favor and curtail the idea it's not that important people know what's going on because it only exposes your unwillingness even more to speculate.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 8:02 am on Wed, Oct 17, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1379

    Brian maybe I'm not being clear with you.
    "Speak for yourself. Most people would like to know where all the money goes."
    I'm sure someone could find out, but I'm not going to do it and from what I've
    read here on this LNS board, no one else is in any rush to find out either,
    even those who are always coming down on unions and lobbyists. If I may
    use a popular con suggestion: take some personal responsibility. If you want
    to know, find out for yourself."

    I see nowhere where I even imply that how much or how or where money is
    spent by unions for lobbyists comes from or goes to, in fact I suggest that
    someone who is interested in union-lobbyist money should try and find out.
    Show me where I "want to deny there is any misappropriation of funds.."
    (8:07 10-15-12)

    Let me re-state ( although I doubt it will make a difference):
    " ...take some personal responsibility. If you want to know, find out for yourself."

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:17 pm on Mon, Oct 15, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Mr. Adams,

    Speak for yourself. Most people would like to know where all the money goes.
    It's people like you who want to deny there is any misappropriation of funds as to why we are in the position we are in.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 4:30 pm on Mon, Oct 15, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    A small insertion of direction is inserted here...the parents would pay the teachers a stipend to attend. The money would be collected by the district and paid directly to the teachers. Teaching the children English and then expecting them to go home and converse with their parents is unfair to the child. The responsibility for communications lies with the parent not the child. This is one of the largest factors for the drop-out rates for immigrants....that and getting a job.

     
  • John Ring posted at 8:24 am on Mon, Oct 15, 2012.

    John Ring Posts: 34

    Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that over half our state budget is earmarked for education. If so, its a very sad commentary that we cant effectively educate the children in this state with over half our tax dollars. So tell me again why passing prop 30 is going to work/help?

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 8:07 am on Mon, Oct 15, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1379

    I didn't say that no one knows where the money unions may pay lobbyists goes, I said I didn't know where it goes.

    I'm sure someone could find out, but I'm not going to do it and from what I've read here on this LNS board, no one else is in any rush to find out either, even those who are always coming down on unions and lobbyists. If I may use a popular con suggestion: take some personal responsibility. If you want to know, find out for yourself.

    And I think you meant "concurring" not "conferring."

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 11:53 am on Sat, Oct 13, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Ms. Bobin wrote:

    This type of program would depend on dedicated teachers, not on those, like Guzzardi, who are in it for the paycheck and who actually despise their students.

    -All those years Joe taught in Lodi, Ms. Bobin can assure us he was never concerned about the future of his students because he despised them.. Let's see a show of hands indicating Ms. Bobin is NOT full of S#$t.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:08 am on Sat, Oct 13, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Mike Adams wrote:

    How would I know what lobbyists spend their money on? Why would you presume I would even know something about that?

    I would assume that the lobbyist can do what ever their contract with "a union" (if that is the group that retained him/her) says they can do.

    Maybe you could contact a union that actually retains a lobbyist or a lobbyist who has a contract with a union.

    -Thank you Mr Adams for conferring (with many of us) no one can be really sure where the money goes.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:16 am on Sat, Oct 13, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Barrow stated... Maybe he would support a law demanding that people only speak English

    One might wonder why Mr. Barrow would draw such a bizarre conclusion. Maybe it is because he would favor a law that imprisons Mr. Maple for expressing his opinion. I am sure he misses Mao's leadership.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:47 pm on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    Very good Mr Barrow

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 4:37 pm on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Which one of the 159 do you suggest we learn mrb? Our schools have been teaching Spanish for over 40 years... maybe Hmong or Hindi...maybe Chinese? Language...even the gibberish you use...is just a tool.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 2:52 pm on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1505

    Mr. Maple is concerned that he can't understand what someone is saying, maybe he should learn another language. I would remind him that just because someone can speak English it doesn't mean they will always speak English. Maybe he would support a law demanding that people only speak English so he wouldn't have to worry that someone is talking about him. From his attitude on his postings I would imagine that his fears are warranted.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 1:34 pm on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Combat would be hell.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 1:33 pm on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    The program needs to be statewide and in fact nation wide. My mother taught me not to whisper in front of others to others, the reasoning was exclusion and not inclusion...something that goes on in every day conversations where one person does not speak the other's language...inclusion of some exclusion of others...at the expense of all. Requiring someone to be able to communicate in their job is no different than requiring them to bring their necessary tools to accomplish the job or mission. Imagine if our military worked on the inclusion/exclusion premise and spoke ten different/separate languages.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:00 pm on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Maple wrote: I proposed starting a cottage industry several years ago...teachers teaching parents to speak English at night in the empty classrooms..."

    I seem to remember that there was a program to do this - I'm thinking related to the Reagan Amnesty - but I recall my husband was recruited to give classes at Woodbridge Middle School in the early 90's. Joe Guzzardi mentioned this also in the past year and MOCKED the program - which he taught at the Adult School in Lodi - as an utter failure because people wouldn't show up for class.

    My husband's class, as I recall, had about 30 parents and was a great success. I sat in on several sessions and helped with refreshments, which he provided out of his own pocket - anything to encourage participation and to use as learning tools. He actually took the time to call these parents to be sure they didn't miss class because, like any other parent, they also had lives to live with their families.

    This type of program would depend on dedicated teachers, not on those, like Guzzardi, who are in it for the paycheck and who actually despise their students.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 9:55 am on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1379

    How would I know what lobbyists spend their money on? Why would you presume I would even know something about that?

    I would assume that the lobbyist can do what ever their contract with "a union" (if that is the group that retained him/her) says they can do.

    Maybe you could contact a union that actually retains a lobbyist or a lobbyist who has a contract with a union.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:14 am on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Mike Adams,

    And what is the process to check and see if a lobbyist is not buying a boat with the money they receive from the unions?

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 7:08 am on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1379

    I was a teacher-administrator for over 30 years. I know it sounds like a great idea to give money directly to schools, but this would be a disaster. Questions:
    1. how will funding the school be based? Population served? Enrollment?
    2. Who is going to oversee the spending?
    3. How are you going to check to see if the Principal isn't using the money
    to buy a boat?
    4. District offices get a percentage (called indirect) to process paper work for to
    get the money and then oversee it's spending. That might be $90,000 on a
    million dollar grant. Does anyone pay their accountant $90,000 to fill out their
    1040?
    5. there are over 110 school districts in CA. I don't know how many schools
    Who's going to be watching the cookie jar?
    6. What will the money cover? salaries, overtime, materials, consultants,?

    'There are lot's of questions, each with a bunch of sub-questions which would
    have to be answered. Otherwise, put glue on a wall and throw the money at it.
    You can get what sticks or what falls on the floor. Either way, it's going to be work.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:05 pm on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Interesting queston. My guess is that the schools can not write law that benefits schools. The legislators that get the money from the union are in position to write law that favors what the public schools want.

    For example, laws have been written where the state of California must pass on 50% or more of all tax revenue collected to the education industry. Had the unions just given the money directly to the teachers without funneling it to their hand picked legislators, that law would not exist.

     
  • Sunny Samuels posted at 11:53 am on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    Sunny Samuels Posts: 59

    http://votersedge.org/california/ballot-measures/2012/november/prop-30 This link states $41.3 Million has been raised to support this tax hike. I wonder what the schools could do with $41.3 million right this minute.

     
  • Sunny Samuels posted at 11:43 am on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    Sunny Samuels Posts: 59

    I have a stupid question (please bear with me). Instead of the unions giving the money to the lobbyist to get this bill passed; Why don't they just give the money directly to the schools?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:42 am on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    My mistake Mike, you are right. I posted the wrong page.. It was actually on page 123,999 paragraph 198,010 line 12,435...

    good catch!!!!!!! [innocent][sneaky]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:38 am on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Heuer stated...Since they filed bankruptcy(Solyndra)..." which kind of alluded to the fact that Calif mught go bankrupt if we give them more money.

    Never crossed my mind. How amusing to read the conclusions you draw. I was simply saying that throwing money at anything does not mean something will succeed... which why I posted at 6:18 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2012....

    “I would like the reader to ask themselves a question... does more $$$$ (money) = improved quality of anything?”

    How in the world could any objective person perceive I was alluding that California might go bankrupt simply by giving them more money? Having more money is good, but spending it wisely and efficiently is most important in getting value out of the dollar spent.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:45 am on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [lol]...

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:37 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    Brian
    This is so convaluted but your point wasn't missed totally. The conversation was on California and indirectly teachers when your comment went to a national issue of green energy support and how it could suport 2 mil teachers (not sure of the math here) and then added we don't need 2 mil teachers kind of implied if the money went to Calif directly it could be used for teachers however it would be more than we need. But of course this was on top of Darells comment "Solyndra was given $500,000,000 by Obama because they needed more money. Did that money help them, or was it throwing money away? Since they filed bankruptcy..." which kind of alluded to the fact that Calif mught go bankrupt if we give them more money. So when you green energy support said it could be used for hireing teachers but we couldn't possible use what it would buy and we could go bankrupt seemed to lose a whole lot of something in the translation.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:40 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    Slight of hand?
    Services change?
    Cost more?
    Can you be a little more specific?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:34 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Sorry Mike, I have no clue what you are talking about... Maybe you are just to advanced for me.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:47 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    Mike you mean the LNS Tosh.0 with the videos.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:47 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Mr Heuer wrote:

    Prop 30 is not more money for these services its about keeping the services we have.

    Nice sleight of hand Mr. Heuer.

    More aptly put...Prop 30 is more money to keep the services Calif. has. In other words, the services aren't going to change. They are going to cost more.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 6:47 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    It is never my intent to confuse you but is does happen so often.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:41 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Mr. Heuer wrote:

    Brian the topicis California but if you want national numbers 2 mil might not be unreasonable...nation wide. Geez get a grip

    I'm not surprised Mr. Heuer would miss my point completely. Evidently Obama was able to find an extra 90 billion to spend on green energy, which amounts to 2 million teachers. But couldn't find enough money to help Calif out. Not that i'm a proponent of this. But if we were to use Obama's rationale, what Calif needs is just chumpchange and for a much better cause.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:23 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1379

    And again, if you want political influence, then collectivize. Get the numbers.

    It isn't necessarily the dollars, it's the votes. Democrats and cons both know that CTA can deliver a huge block of votes.

    Once the complainers accomplish the same, don't criticize. Change your line of work. I would reccommend prison guards.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:20 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1379

    Darrell: Your statement was: "The teachers unions and teachers have more political clout and say so in how our economy works than any other industry in California... "

    Above you state: The CTA, boasting 340,000 members, spent $6,574,257 last year, a lobbying tab more than $1.5 million greater than the second-place spender (unsurprisingly, another union), the California State Council of Service Employees, ..."

    I see that (according to your figures) CTA spent 6.5 + million dollars lobbying some legislative body I would guess. I don't see anything that says it was spent in CA or was it at the national level with congress or lobbying in other states, as part of NEA.

    This is where bringing up specific information leaves you short. Sure, the casual reader will be fooled. And I would like to think that this was your intention, to blow it by the average joe. I would be very disappointed if I found out that you think POWER = POLITICAL CONTRIBUTIONS AND LOBBYING. I think SEIU is far more powerful since they are the actual workers in state government and can do so much more to effect the day to day workings of the state government. which I believe to be true.

    Learn the difference between Power and Ability. Or, Power and Authority. Or Power and Influence.
    They are not the same as Power and Political Donations. And while we are on the subject, why do rich people donate millions to federal, state, and local candidates? Because that gives them access. Access does not always mean influence.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:11 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Heuer stated...And thats our report on the union activites from our field correspondents...

    No, I was refuting Mike's claim that teacher's unions and teachers do not have more clout than other groups... are you saying that the information is incorrect? If so, what are the real facts?

    Or are you simply admiring the factuality of my post and observing I appear to be an objective reporter? Oh my, so confusing what Mr Heuer actually is saying...

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 5:08 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    Mr Werner said "They need to live within their means, just like we all need to" fails to take into consideration that the bottom dropped out of our budget however the sick, the elderly not to mention many contracts and legally bound commitments still remain. We are in a position where many cuts have been made and we are down to who do we cut now, children or seniors or safety. If you can identify waste please do but bear in mind there is waste we can all agree on however there are those items that are one mans waste while another mans essential solution to a critical problem.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:06 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Heuer stated...Prop 30 is not more money for these services its about keeping the services we have. Don't be confused as to what is happening here

    Better stated, Prop 30 is about taxes...about collecting more and more taxes from people in a state whose taxes already are in the highest in America without increasing the quality of service rendered.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:06 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1379

    Let me check that. ..... It wasn't there.

    Maybe you can get your new buddy, you know the one who thinks he works or owns a radio station, to make up a phony Prop. 30 text. That's what mainstream conspiracy theorists do isn't it? Just make up phony documents that look like they could be the real thing enough to fool all the boneheads who believe them?

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:56 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    We are one o the few states with the initiative process.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:50 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    And thats our report on the union activites from our field correspondents. We hope to get our union correspondents back soon since these guys are making such bad calls. Lets hope they have a better day getting us the education report. Because education can be on the chopping block if they as well as police and fire services don't get the funding we need to continue these vital services. Prop 30 is not more money for these services its about keeping the services we have. Don't be confused as to what is happening here.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 4:09 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    In ALL of the 159 languages taught in CA schools....this is what they do in Ireland.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 4:08 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    I proposed starting a cottage industry several years ago...teachers teaching parents to speak English at night in the empty classrooms...for a fee...as a prerequisite for citizenship...that would eliminate the need for many of our bi-lingual positions and would keep kids in school instead of out of school interpreting for their parents...at the doctor, employment offices and other places. Nope.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:06 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Can someone show me in the text of Prop. 30 where Solyndra is mentioned?

    Yes Mike, it is on page 23-A paragraph 2, third sentence... I thought everyone knew that...

    [whistling]

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 4:05 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Galt needs to go back to one high school...9/10 and 11/12...east and west campuses.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:01 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Continued verification of Teacher's union power in California...just the facts please.


    Teachers union expenditures on 2010 ballot measures totaled $25.5 million, according to UnionWatch.org, a watchdog website devoted to tracking union activity. That total includes expenditures from the CTA, the National Education Association, the California Federation of Teachers, the American Federation of Teachers and the Alliance for a Better California, a coalition that includes public employee unions.
    It should come as no surprise that unions continue making such “political investments,” especially because they are paying off. In the decade ending in 2010, the CTA spent more than $200 million on lobbying, political expenditures and campaign contributions, more than any other entity and over $100 million more than the second-place special interest, California State Council of Service Employees, according to a 2010 report by the California Fair Political Practices Commission. So it should comes as no shock that these groups finished atop the list for lobbying activity last year.
    Teachers unions, as noted by analyst Andrew Coulson of the libertarian Cato Institute, have many objectives. Five key priorities include: “raising their members’ wages; growing their membership, increasing the share of the public school labor force that they represent, precluding pay based on performance or aptitude and minimizing competition from nonunion shops.”

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:00 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike's reality or perception...I think prison guards/nurses/state workers all have more clout than teachers

    Real reality


    In Sacramento, the California Teachers Association, the state’s behemoth education union, spent more money on lobbying in 2011 than any other group in the Golden State, according a Los Angeles Times analysis of data from the California Secretary of State’s Office.

    The CTA, boasting 340,000 members, spent $6,574,257 last year, a lobbying tab more than $1.5 million greater than the second-place spender (unsurprisingly, another union), the California State Council of Service Employees, an affiliate of the Service Employees International Union, one of the largest and most powerful labor outfits in North America.

    Overall expenditures for lobbying state legislators hit an all-time high in 2011 of $286.6 million—that’s a 6.8 percent jump from 2010. It seems lobbyists saw an opportunity to refill the trough of tax money with Gov. Jerry Brown once again at the helm of the state.

     
  • Ron Werner posted at 2:48 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Ron Werner Posts: 90

    Jay, you are right. Uninformed voters are easily convinced. The initiative process has failed us. It used to be initiatives were an answer to politicians who pandered to special interest groups. Now it's the special interest groups who use the process to dupe uninformed voters. After all, it's every americans god given right to be ignorant.
    But why do so many live in California?

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 2:40 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    ...and we expect schools to "raise" our children by feeding them, watching them, counsel them,coddle them, and disciplining them when they screw up, only for us to sure the pants off the school district because we weren't being good parents to begin with. Tell me I'm wrong....nope.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:39 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    of course know the answer before

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:06 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    Brian the topicis California but if you want national numbers 2 mil might not be unreasonable...nation wide. Geez get a grip

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:03 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    I like that Mike always no the answer before you ask the question (ie Solyndr, a convenient overused banner (even where it is off Topic) for the intellectually challenged).

     
  • Jay Samone posted at 1:02 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Jay Samone Posts: 359

    Ron, the State balances the budget on its workers, not just children. All of those failed programs you mentioned? All of those freebies you're complaining about? VOTERS put those in place. YES - VOTERS. Most of them completely uneducated (as is the writer of this LTO) about what they are voting for. People need to learn how to read and comprehend what they are reading.

    That tax money will NOT go directly to the schools, it will go to balance the budget in other areas. The majority of that money isn't earmarked for anything but the GF. When will Californian's learn that just because you throw money at something doesn't make it efficient, needed, or just plain worth it. Our schools are failing not because of "lack of funding", they are failing because we require teachers to jump through costly hoops to become teachers and then expect them to pay for their own supplies, we spend too much on administration and oversight when we should be spending it on developing our existing teachers, and we expect schools to "raise" our children by feeding them, watching them, counsel them,coddle them, and disciplining them when they screw up, only for us to sure the pants off the school district because we weren't being good parents to begin with. Tell me I'm wrong.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:57 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    People want education. People have over and over said we want education preserved. Thinking people which even includes some conservatives say preserve education. Cuts need to be made in the budget which will include education. It's not unions driving legislation for education its PEOPLE and the education initiatives PEOPLE voted on. It is people who understand the importance of education which was premeir in our past but because we have fallen. Its easy to throw the word WASTE around but it is just a word without real meaning. One mans waste is anothers essential solution. Or because dems did it its waste. Oh DMV had a failed computer system because they were pushed to use private industry to put it together and when it went bad, Oh its DMVs fault. When Carter failed in a hostage rescue attempt its all his fault but when Obama had a successful Bin Laudin take down oh he can't take credit for that. Mistakes are made. What?, you never did a do it yourself project that didn't go quite right or wnen it said some assembly required it didn't quite go according to Hoyle? Oh and yes and there were no WMDs in Iraq. As Gov Perry has made so famous...OOPs.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 11:56 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1379

    Can someone show me in the text of Prop. 30 where Solyndra is mentioned?

    I think prison guards/nurses/state workers all have more clout than teachers.
    My standard suggestion applies here: If you want more political power, then somehow collectivize (Jerome CANNOT USE THIS WORD while I check to see if someone else has ever used it).

    So maybe unions are a good thing. If you were good enough to be in one, then you might think differently.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 9:03 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    No...the answer is not more money...it is leadership. Unify the districts and save over a million dollars a year. Elect people who actually put in the time necessary to run the districts not just show up for a vote.

     
  • Ron Werner posted at 8:35 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Ron Werner Posts: 90

    I keep reading about how the state spends our money foolishly on failed programs. Examples, failed DMV computer system, failed court computer sytem, bullet train, and yesterday the Record had a story how our container deposit recycling program is spending $100 million/ yr more than it takes in due to fraud. The examples go on and on.
    Schools waste money too. Free lunches, free counseling, high administrators salaries, more administrators needed to administer the mandated programs. 40 years ago, my high school of 3500 had one principal and one assitant principal. My middle school had a principal and no assitant. I don;t think that's the way it is today. In the past California has passed many tax and bond raising initiatives and our schools are failing. The politicians in Sac only want to balance the budget on the backs of our school children. They need to live within their means, just like we all need to. A lesson they should have learned over the last 5 years.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:49 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Darrell,

    Speaking of Solyndra. Obama gave $90 billion to green energy, enough to hire 2 million teachers. I don't think we need 2 million more teacher, though.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:39 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    The years of failed "trickle-down" economics


    What planet is this man from? California has been dominated and controlled by teachers unions and legislation resulting from it. The teachers unions and teachers have more political clout and say so in how our economy works than any other industry in California... What other industry has convinced legislators and had the power to get a law passed that mandated over 50% of all tax revenue goes to that industry...

    Trinkle down economy? You have got to be joking.

    I suggest the author

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:18 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Would be good for our schools?

    I would like the reader to ask themselves a question...

    does more $$$$ (money) = improved quality of anything.

    Solyndra was given $500,000,000 by Obama because they needed more money. Did that money help them, or was it throwing money away? Since they filed bankruptcy, the answer is obvious.

    This letter states Proposition 30 is a reasonable and logical effort to address critical needs in public education and public safety.

    How absurd. This bill just gives the education system more money. It does not change the quality of education or address the real problem which is that our state is controlled by politicians that create an anti business environment that chases jobs and tax revenue out of our state. The solution is to create jobs and attract businesses which will renew our tax base. Then, there will be more money for the schools.

     

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