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Posted: Saturday, February 2, 2013 12:00 am

I don't think anyone should even try to compare nuclear power with clean solar and wind.

The cost is $80 billion for one nuclear plant, and we have 104 nuclear plants in the United States. We then have to feed them uranium, at least until they blow up or have to be closed down. And every day they get older, with more problems — and where is all that uranium coming from, the drug store?

We have to find uranium, mine it and process it to be able to use it in a reactor. These three costs make nuclear power a bad thing.

Ed Walters, News-Sentinel letter writer and commentor, said nuclear is clean and not a fossil fuel — wrong. Have you seen the mess uranium mining makes? They mine for coal and do a better job — and it's not good. Ask Japan how safe and clean nuclear is. Radioactive materials are still running into our ocean. They are dealing with radioactive issues, radiation sickness, and lost land and homes for 1,000 years.

Don't even start me on nuclear waste; that's a whole other letter.

The problems with nuclear energy are just starting.

Gary Kries

Isleton

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26 comments:

  • Mike Adams posted at 7:07 pm on Fri, Feb 8, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    Ed: daniel is a very smart man. But is prone to believe the unbelievable.
    The scenarios he has described in the past here and other boards regarding nuclear weapons show a profound lack of understanding of methods of detonation, yields, and damage that can be caused by nuclear weapons large and small.

    If you are familiar with him, you know what I mean.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:53 pm on Thu, Feb 7, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    Please apologize to Simon for me.

    As to the deleted post, it's gone, but it was there. And now it's not. I'm not going to re-post it.

    Please don't delete this.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 5:44 pm on Thu, Feb 7, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 490

    bobin you evidently have not seen the part of Detroit I am refering too.

    Mr. Hutchins: In your post you state that there was an underwater nuke that set off the tsunami, did that 9.0 earthquake have anything to do with causing that tsunami? Had the Japanese built their reactor with a containment building, similar to the way the nukes in this country are built, perhaps the destruction that followed would not have happened.
    Three Mile Island was caused by inexperenced personal who were not properly trained to operate the plant. Babcox and Willcox build the plant and stated what to do if an accident should happen, instructions were not followed, from what I read the cooling water was by shut off by mistake. It would be unwise to argue with an engineer, so I won`t. However I understand that the Japanese reactor failed because cooling water could not be delivered since the emergency diesel motors failed. And the reactor was in operation at the time it failed.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:46 pm on Wed, Feb 6, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    Mike,


     


    Simon did not delete a post. I did delete your reference to Simon as `Napoleon' Birch, which was off-topic and grossly unfair, considering the no-win challenge he faces moderating these comment boards. But back to the original post you say was deleted. You are free to repost it or contact me at richardh@lodinews.com or 369-7035 to discuss.


    Thank you,


     


    Rich Hanner


    Editor


     


     


    Simon: You deleted my post???? What the hell is wrong with you???? There was nothing "controversial" or "rude" or "false" (save daniel's earlier statements). I didn't even plagiarize anything (unlike some). So this is how the LNS chooses to silence even the most mild of responses. Think wisely before you speak, if you do. My family (and me) have subscribed to the Sentinel for at least 50 years. That's well over 15,000 editions. I have no problem with ending that this week.

    Edited by staff.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 9:02 am on Tue, Feb 5, 2013.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1982

    A relative article to the potential of solar and how much it takes to power a house: http://realestate.msn.com/off-the-grid-mansions

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 6:51 am on Tue, Feb 5, 2013.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1982

    All it takes is the roof of each participating house, business, structure.

    My roof, for example, can have 10+ solar panels on it. based on my average usage, I would only need 6.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 12:48 am on Tue, Feb 5, 2013.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    You can call me "daniel" if you want to. Doesn't even have to be capitalized, and in fact, I prefer lowercase. If not, I guess that I'll have to put up with "Mr." for conversing in a dead fiction public forum.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 12:43 am on Tue, Feb 5, 2013.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    I could get into trouble for posting this one.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 12:42 am on Tue, Feb 5, 2013.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Kevin, And how many acres of solar panels per house?

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 12:41 am on Tue, Feb 5, 2013.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Joanne, I've seen pictures of Hiroshima. The Japanese have got it going on there.

    I don't understand how the radiation can dissipate in such short time.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:28 am on Mon, Feb 4, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "One thing I would like to point out, in 1945 Hiroshima was A- bombed, today it is a beautiful city that the Japanese are proud of. Today most of Detroit looks like Hiroshima in 1945."

    This has to be one of the most assinine comments I have ever heard.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 6:53 pm on Sun, Feb 3, 2013.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1982

    And let's be clear, The "France" plan to "dispose" of the radioactive waste material is to bury it and hope nothing happens to it. At least nothing in their generation. That is not disposing of it, it is hiding it.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 6:47 pm on Sun, Feb 3, 2013.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1982

    Roughly 3.333 Million homes. That's $80billion divided by an average $24thousand it takes per house. It also does not account for any excess that is sold off to power other homes.

    Of course then that 80billion spent by PRIVATE consumers creates millions of jobs and launches a green revolution where the tech explodes and could drive the cost even lower. Then since it was spent by private consumers and not the government that opens that 80 billion to be wasted on other programs.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 2:27 pm on Sun, Feb 3, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 490

    Excellent post Mr. Hutchins: One thing I would like to point out, that according to what I just read, compliments of Google, France has developed a way to dispose of the rods. They have 58 nuclear power plants, I would think they keep the disposable operation operating 24/7. Again a great post from someone who knows what they are talking about.

    One thing I would like to point out, in 1945 Hiroshima was A- bombed, today it is a beautiful city that the Japanese are proud of. Today most of Detroit looks like Hiroshima in 1945.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 4:18 pm on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    [smile] As an engineer, I'm sensitive when people attack a technology and they don't know what they are talking about. Then it becomes political. 99% of the time, when a mind is driven by politics and void of substance in the gray matter between the ears, that mind cannot be influenced even if someone tells it the truth.

    It's fun to tell relevant facts when someone like this appears into the public.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 3:33 pm on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Cost: $80 billion

    How many kilo- ... uhh... GIGA-watts of power are we going to get for that $80 billion?

    How many homes can be powered with the same cost of solar power?

    How much land is need to cover that many with solar arrays?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:40 am on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Excellent comments, Daniel. Much more informative than this silly letter from Mr. Kries about the dangers of nuclear energy.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 10:21 am on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2293

    Bring it Mr Hutchins! Absolutely superb!

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 10:13 am on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    The author above fears an explosion. Nuclear fuel cannot achieve critical mass, therefore it cannot explode.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 10:10 am on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Chernobyl operated on positive feedback. This means that if the temperature rises, the nuclear reaction increases in rate, thus creating more heat and the temperature condition gets worse. This is due to the Soviet's choice of neutron absorbance being carbon. When the carbon is heated, it absorbs fewer neutrons. (American reactors today do not operate on this principle.)

    In the US Navy, I have heard that Admiral Rickover strictly emphasized that a nuclear reactor design must contain inherent stability.

    Such was the same design as the original Manhattan Project. Dr. Fermi was so frightened of safety due to the inherent unstable design, that he stationed a lumberjack (axe man) on top of the reactor with all of the control rods connected to ropes which were stretched across the top of a wooden chopping block. If they yelled, "SCRAM," (Safety Cutoff Reactor Axe Man) the lumberjack would chop the ropes, and the control rods would fall into the reactor, which was a safe outcome if they had yelled SCRAM in time to avert an unsafe potential outcome.

    In today's US Navy ships, I noticed that the technicians and officers prefer to declare SCRAM if any parameter goes out of specifications. Better to declare SCRAM than to be sorry later.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 10:00 am on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Nuclear power safety:
    Chernobyl was an unstable design, and worse, the emergency cooling water pumps used self-generated power, even in the case of emergency shutdown and loss of power. There was a question of whether there would be sufficient power to operate the pumps to deliver emergency cooling water, in the event of an emergency shutdown, and this was the objective when Chernobyl conducted an exercise on the inexperienced night shift.

    Three Mile Island: No radiation was released. All equipment functioned properly. The reactor never was in danger of an emergency. The design is inherently stable by its fundamental design. That means that if an emergency were to occur, it would have a natural tendency to actually slow down the nuclear reaction in the event of a rise in temperature.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 9:50 am on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    That was hypothetical, so I should have said, "the people WOULD never know WHO dunnit."

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 2:32 am on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    One way to dispose of nuclear fuel is to machine it into kinetic energy kill projectiles which are very effective as anti-tank weapons, and fight a war with them. Nobody will ever know that we are disposing of spent nuclear fuel material. The only people that will be exposed to the radiation are our own service members who will then march across the territory after they fire the weapons, the enemy, and the civilians downwind whom we claim we are trying to liberate of an evil regime, and we can feign stupidity after a generation of birth defects, and the people will never know that we dunnit.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 2:25 am on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Woops. Typo.
    Israeli security, not Japanese security. Duh.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 2:23 am on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Japan was nuked. I am not talking about 1945. I am talking about 2 years ago. That was not a nuclear accident. There was first an underwater nuke which set-off the tsunami. Second, was not a meltdown. There was no fuel in the reactor, so how could it meltdown?

    Japan had placed an Israeli contractor in charge of security on the nuclear facility, at the same time that it was negotiating with Iran in regards for nuclear contracts. Not very smart.

    Japanese security disguised a gun-type reactor with a long pole, a head on the pole being a sub-critical mass, which was disguised as a surveillance camera, which was installed into place, at the fukushima facility.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 2:19 am on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Ill-informed letter.
    The only credible statement is his criticism for disposal of nuclear waste, and I confirm this is huge, and the consequences are willed to our descendents of 100's of generations.

     

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