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Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:16 am, Tue May 15, 2012.

I want to thank the Lodi News-Sentinel for publishing the column by Cynthia Neely on April 24 regarding attacks on women's issues of equality. Ms. Neely was very articulate and organized, and point by point supported her assertion.

This is why I took exception to the letter by Darrell Baumbach on May 3, accusing her of using this serious issue to promote a political candidate even though she never mentioned the candidate's name. Ms. Neely cited several examples supporting her argument, and Mr. Baumbach repeated two in his letter. However, his only rebuttal was that there are several presidents who think their wives are wonderful people.

Mr. Baumbach makes the presumption that Ms. Neely was attempting to incite women voters rather than her actually speaking to those women who are already upset over the public dialogue over women's rights. Of course there are many women who won't agree with Ms. Neely for a variety of age and philosophical reasons. Mr. Baumbach criticized Ms. Neely for "evoking" Rush Limbaugh's name to further emotionalize an issue that he implies may not actually exist beyond this editorial page. But Rush Limbaugh's three-day tirade epitomizes much of the issue she presents.

After the hundreds of published letters which can be construed as "inflammatory," to raise concerns about this one of Ms. Neely's being political in the Lodi News-Sentinel's Opinion section is actually humorous, not to mention suspicious. This is especially ironic when, after criticizing Ms. Neely for political pandering, a good portion of his letter's conclusion takes the opportunity to promote his own political views. And he doesn't think inserting president Obama's name on the Opinion page where his name is often railed against by political opponents wouldn't strike an emotional chord?

I think the adage "takes one to know one" may have some application here.

Thomas Heuer

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36 comments:

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:18 pm on Fri, May 18, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Obviously, Mr Heuer has comprehension difficulties...have patience Pat. I think Mr Heuer needs your wisdom more than ever.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:17 pm on Fri, May 18, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1414

    Unintelligible response. Bye

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 11:54 am on Fri, May 18, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mrh has to think about something that he innately embraces. If you have to think about what you vehemently and passionately believe then there must be a question attached to the outcome. He believes if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a duck and swims like a duck too...it must be a dog. You cannot write yourself around a too...even the Lodi News knows that!

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:40 am on Fri, May 18, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1414

    This is an exercise in futility like arguing with the dog at home and only getting unintelligible woofs in return. One last time. Darrell wrote a letter accusing Ms Neely of promoting a political candidate when discussing womens equlity. She never mentioned a candidates name. In Darrells criticism of Neely he took the opportunity to push his political views in some Obama bashing. So it was hypocritical for DB to accuse her of political pandering while he did the same himself. So the "too" applies to DB as LNS apparently determined. My letter did not promote any political views just DB hypocracy. Now if this can only get more "snickedoodle" or unitelligible reponses I'm out of here.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:38 am on Fri, May 18, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Pat... as always... you are tooooo much!

    You once told me that you cannot finish if you never started in the first place... I wonder if that applies to "brain drain" if one did not have one in the first place...Ill have to think about that.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 6:06 am on Fri, May 18, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Keep thinking mrh: "I think the adage "takes one to know one" may have some application here." Too. The LNS does give the titles...too...so that means they came to the same conclusion...too...you think like msn...too. Experiencing brain drain are you...too?

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 3:59 pm on Thu, May 17, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1414

    This does get tedious. As you should know LNS adds the title so it's not my use of the word "TOO." You may want to throw your catch back since its so small. I'm busy thinking.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:04 pm on Thu, May 17, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Mr Silvano: I have been waiting for someone else to point out to mrh his use of the word ...TOO... His grumble and grievance about someone else's point of view seems flat when you take that in to account. Nice catch!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:34 pm on Wed, May 16, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Why should he explain something so obvious? Think a second or two.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 7:06 pm on Wed, May 16, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1414

    OK I'll bite. Did what same thing?

     
  • Bob Silvano posted at 5:02 pm on Wed, May 16, 2012.

    Bob Silvano Posts: 145

    Thomas Heuer,

    So what's your point? Is this not a forum for ones opinion? You just did exactly the same thing.

     
  • Ryan Jameson posted at 12:52 pm on Wed, May 16, 2012.

    Ryan Jameson Posts: 195

    Are we still talking about this?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:24 am on Wed, May 16, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin...Thank goodness you corrected that error.... that was important.

    Of course accusing me of supporting child molestors, which is completely malicious and false is ok for you... but never again will you tarnish the name of " Mr Lucas" by mistaking him for Mr Docktor.... how good of you.

    and of course, you do not apologize for your obvious contradiction about Ms Neely and her mistake in comparing Sharia Law to American conservatives....

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:45 am on Wed, May 16, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    You can do a LNS search with "Cynthia Neely" and get the same results...you both sound like you've just discovered Google or search engines in general and are smug about figuring out the Internet.

    And both of your comments have nothing to do with my comment.

    Do you two actually read what you write?....and think it makes sense?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:39 am on Wed, May 16, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    My apologies to Mr. Lucas. I wrote yesterday:

    "Interesting that both Mr. Baumbach and Mr. Lucas have once again attempted to turn the coversation back to Muslim "Sharia Law" that has absolutely nothing to do with Ms. Neely's column."

    That should have read, "both Mr. Baumbach and Mr. Docktor..."

    Not AT ALL to be confused with Mr. Lucas. Again, sorry for the error!!

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:17 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1414

    You're so right again John

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:15 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1414

    Thank you Joanne your spot on as usual. Conservatives have been throwing the term sharia law around so much trying to foster their muslm predjudice as well as accuse the president of a secret agenda to establish it here that their main complaint is someone else used THEIR word. How dare someone use THEIR word on conservatives. And when someone else uses the word it's now inflamatory?

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:44 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1414

    Thank you for your post
    You are absolutly right. Darrell has a habit of changing the subject to distract and not deal with the issue as presented. Case in point my letter was in response to his letter where he charged Ms Neely with being politically motivated as her prime objective. I simply pointed out his hypocracy when much of his letter was used to promote his political views. Now fast forward to today and what is his first response below to my letter about? Political opportunism? No.Womens rights? No Its about sharia law. No where in his letter nor mine is there a mention of sharia law.

    The whole topic of sharia law is a relatively new one. Who heard of it beyond a few years ago and wasn't from the middle east.. Now the word is less intimidating and comes to describe anything that is oppressive and restrictive and Ms Neely expained that in her column very well. .

    BTW You mentioned John Lucas. He's one of the most knowlegable people here. You can't go wrong.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:48 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    JACKSON SCOTT STATED... By this time you know exactly what they're going to say.

    Humm...Interesting...then it should be easy for you to answer these questions for me. I look forward to reading what I would say from your perspective...

    01. I think woman are superior to men. why?
    02. I think John Lucas has good points at times... what are they?
    03. I think there are some things that benefit America that liberals bring to the table that many conservatives do not...What are these things.
    04. I think if conservatives gained a super majority in both houses and held power in the white house at the same time, the United States will decline as a world power. Why?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:25 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Yes Ms Bobin...I described the"motivation" behind saving all your posts, which was to protect myself...but as with all intent, there are unintended consequences and benefits to actions taken.

    Andrew is right, doing a Google search stating " liberal nonsense " brings Cynthia Neely's column right up right after all of Joanne Bobin's posts as well as Mr Lucas....LOL

     
  • Jackson Scott posted at 6:09 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Jackson Scott Posts: 386

    Really, LNS Bloggers, WHO takes Darrell Bambach or Jerome Kinderman serious? I do not. By this time you know exactly what they're going to say.

    Just like we did with ol' Taxpayer & Citizen, T&C, otherwise known as Richie Rich on the Record site these days, Mr. Doug Chaney. Everything was pro-union, anti Lodi CC, the Three Amigoes, back room deals, sealed bids not so sealed, etc etc etc.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:15 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "archiving" is hardly necessary Ms. Bobin... A simple Google search of Cynthia Neely liberal nonsense brings her column right up...

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:19 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Funny that Mr. Baumbach has contended that his "archiving" of my comments was being done solely to protect himself from my "vicious" attacks on his character.

    He seems to have collected them all. I think the legal system calls that "stalking."

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:12 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    And this has to do with WHAT?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:07 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    continued...

    Ms Bobin then says in this thread... Interesting that both Mr. Baumbach and Mr. Lucas have once again attempted to turn the coversation back to Muslim "Sharia Law" that has absolutely nothing to do with Ms. Neely's column...

    but in a different thread stated... Joanne Bobin posted at 9:01 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012...The only error that Ms. Neeley made, Mr. Baumbach, was to equate Republican attempts to turn back the clock with "Sharia Law."

    Clearly there was a concerted effort to link and characterize conservatives with the Barbaric nature of typical discrimination and abuse that woman live with on a daily basis under Sharia Law. To deny it is absurd.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:06 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Neely stated...Republican-style Sharia law denies women basic rights...title of article...

    In this article, Ms Neely stated...
    1. According to some, Sharia is not actually "law," but is a collection of ancient religious moralistic and often harsh principles which regulate personal and moral conduct
    2. In some remote tribal areas, cruel punishments such as amputations and stoning are still practiced
    3. A realistic concern is whether, in this country, we are seeing a renewal of unequal treatment of women that was rejected decades ago, or whether we are now seeing a new set of rules for women, that is, Sharia Law — Republican-style.
    4. It appears that Republicans believe that corporations are people, but women aren't. ( This of course mirrors the Sharia Law mind set where woman are seen as possessions and not people)

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 1:58 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mrh: Everything BUT the ECONOMY ...Stupids!!

    mrl...STUPID
    mskl...I had hopes for you.
    msb...I have no hopes for you.

    Where is this issue today??? 10 days late and a whole lot of taxpayer dollars short.

    DB stated: "Ms Neely could have easily made her point without using the image of Sharia Law in her article..." From my perspective Ms Neely started the fight and lost.

    She stated that Republicans "...raised the specter of "Sharia law," alleging that this Islamic law was being practiced in the United States." "...That actuality was quickly exposed as untrue,..."
    Then why does ms n accuse conservatives of using Sharia law if it is not being practiced and why did she ignore fact it has been okayed by an appeals court in Florida to use Sharia law in a monetary dispute (doesn't she practice law?).

    She then states: "Sharia is not actually "law," but is a collection of ancient religious moralistic and often harsh principles..." Followed by her own contradiction and use of the term: "we are now seeing a new set of rules for women, that is, Sharia Law — Republican-style..." Hmmmm

    She then follows with: "In the 1870s, U.S. courts overruled the common-law principle that a husband had the right to "physically chastise an errant wife." I her and you...what law has been passed in the past 40 years (since Title IX) that has given a man this right?? None. I can tell you one that has NOT been passed...the Equal Rights Amendment for women...see below.

    In 1916, Margaret Sanger, a strong supporter of birth control, served a 30-day sentence in a workhouse for opening a birth control clinic. By the 1950s and 1960s, many states had legalized birth control, and in 1965 the Supreme Court found that prohibiting birth control violated the right of privacy, because it allowed the police to search the bedroom of a married couple to look for evidence of birth control....again in the past 40 years WHAT LAW has been passed (by Republicans or for that matter Democrats) that took away any women's rights? NOW?

    I say to ms n: On June 22, 2011, ERA ratification bills were introduced in the Senate (S.J.Res. 21) by lead sponsor Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ) and in the House of Representatives (H.J.Res. 69) by lead sponsor Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY). Hmmmm...Pres (Dem) House (Dem) Senate (Dem)...

    The ERA was passed out of Congress in 1972 and has been ratified by 35 of the necessary 38 states. When three more states vote yes, it is possible that the ERA could become the 28th Amendment. The ERA could also be ratified by restarting the traditional process of passage by a two-thirds majority in the Senate and the House of Representatives, followed by ratification by legislatures in three-quarters (38) of the 50 states.

    So I ask ms neely....where were you when this bill hit the floor??? What happened ? Was BO and his morons too busy with women's rights, gay rights or the unions?

    One more question...with a SUPER majority congress...why didn't BO move to pass the ERA and gay rights...was it too far away from his re-election?...OR was it just that he DIDN'T CARE enough?? I say BOTH...but the money is good...NOW.


     
  • Gary Musto posted at 1:54 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Wonder if Tommy was all in a huff when the leftist crowd with Joanne Bobin in the lead, went after Palin and her family?? Was she fair game because of her political beliefs or was it because she was a Republican woman, huh Tommy??

    Didn't read where Cynthia was all in a stew over left wing hate pieces directed at Palin, probably forgot to mention it, probably was just too darn "upset about the public dialogue over women's rights"?

    Notice how he evades the story of the latest attacks on Mrs. Romney by the paid DNC shill, Hilliary Rosen, who has been to the Obama White House over 35 times, while being paid over $120,000 by the Democrats, wonder where she got her marching orders??

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:43 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Excellent letter, Mr. Heuer! Ditto to Mr. Lucas and Ms. Lee.

    Interesting that both Mr. Baumbach and Mr. Lucas have once again attempted to turn the coversation back to Muslim "Sharia Law" that has absolutely nothing to do with Ms. Neely's column. She was obviously using that reference to compare the lengths to which Republicans have gone to turn back the hands of time with regard to women's rights and privacy.

    She documented quite well the types of anti-women's rights tactics that the Republicans have concentrated on at both the state and federal levels instead of concentrating on the economy and passing meaningful legislation.

    Unfortunately, the meaning and the facts presented were lost on the many right-wing commentors who, when presented with written evidence, still disputed reality.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 12:04 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Thanks for writing such a good letter, Thomas Heuer. Very well said! And I agree with John Lucas' post here as well. Darrell Baumbach's preferred method is personal attack. He does indeed post a lot of inflammatory nonsense and certainly changes the subject when he knows he can't debate the issue/topic at hand. He's done it for years... It's unfortunate.


     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:17 am on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Good letter Thomas. When Conservative Republicans cannot deal with the actual arguments brought by someone they always change the subject. Their preferred method is personal attack. This inflammatory nonsense is just another.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:45 am on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2821

    Good points Darrel. And many Muslims are very much opposed to Sharia Law.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:29 am on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    CONTINUED...

    Mr Heuer does not find this inflammatory... I think I am afraid to ask how he personally treats his own wife. If he thinks the behavior of men that lets them beat their wife legally is normal, then I am amazed.

    If he and Ms Neely actually understood the pain,suffering, and torture that is legally performed under Sharia Law, they might consider it inflammatory to compare and then equate it to anything conservatives are in favor of …clearly, Ms Neely could have easily made her point without using the image of Sharia Law in her article... obviously, it was intended to inflame passions and create hatred and division... considering the topic was about politics and she makes very clear her liberal values, and since there are very important elections soon to take place, it is much more likely Ms Neely is campaigning for her liberal candidates than it is that Republicans embrace any Sharia style policies.

    For me personally, when I see acid thrown in faces of woman by their husbands who became angry their wife's face was revealed in public, I get sick to my stomach... I get more sick when I discover that the men are not punished for their behavior since Sharia Law makes it acceptable.

    inflammatory??? How could one think it is not.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:28 am on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Lets examine what Mr Heuer says is “NOT” inflammatory.

    Sharia law is ( god's law) has famous rules in which its followers live by.

    The United Nations estimates that there are thousands of woman killed annually under Sharia law honor killings. There are practices of female genital mutilation, adolescent arranged marriages, polygamy and inheritance rules where woman are excluded and dependent on men. ( Bin Laden had four wives under Sharia Law.

    Under Sharia Law and the Koran, a wife is a slave to a husband. The wife must submit to the husband's will and can be punished by harsh hitting if she simply does not cover her face. Woman in Saudi Arabia are not even allowed to drive cars. They are treated as objects for men to use at their discretion.

    Given that woman's rights groups are attempting to ban the discrimination and harsh physical punishment they are forced to endure under Sharia Law, I find it inflammatory that Ms Neely decided to link Sharia Law to any group in United States.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:38 am on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2821

    Yhomas wrote:

    After the hundreds of published letters which can be construed as "inflammatory," to raise concerns about this one of Ms. Neely's being political in the Lodi News-Sentinel's Opinion section is actually humorous, not to mention suspicious

    -Thomas,

    it is your opinion Ms. Neely is not political. Unlike you, I don't find it humorous or suspicious whether anyone would find her to be political. I do find it humorous Ms. Neely, who is quite a capable lady, couldn't find a better approach to being inflammatory.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:30 am on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2821

    Thomas,

    Wa, Wa, Wa! Get over it.

     

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