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Posted: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:00 am | Updated: 6:31 am, Thu Aug 26, 2010.

Could you imagine building a Shinto shrine on the deck of the U.S.S. Arizona in Pearl Harbor, or maybe a bronze statue of John Wilkes Booth erected next to Lincoln's memorial, or one of Adolph Hitler at Dockau or Buckenwald?

Do you remember where you were and what you were doing when the Twin Towers fell? Did you see fellow Americans jump from the windows to their death in order to escape the inferno? Three thousand Americans died that day at the hands of Islamic extremist homicidal maniacs who left behind many ruptured families and fractured people on American soil.

But now, adding insult to injury, a thirteen story mosque/cultural center is planned for ground zero of the "Twin Towers Massacre." Why there, we ask? Freedom of religion? A memorial to the fallen dead and their families? A form of public apology or a commemoration of a great victory and future conquest?

History is clear: The erection of mosques on sites of victory and conquest is a symbol to Muslims of Islamic triumphalism, e.g. Temple Mount Jerusalem where the Al-Aqsa Mosque stands on Israel's holiest ground; the largest cathedral in Christendom, St. Sophia Basilica of Constantinople (Istanbul) was turned into a sprawling mega-mosque; and the city of Cordoba, Spain, from which this "ground zero" mosque derives its name, saw an immense mosque built on the site of an ancient Christian Church.

The "Cordoba" Mosque project at 9/11 Ground Zero is an insult and an affront to all the Twin Tower victims and their families. Where is the common sense, the basic consideration and human love and compassion of this "religion of peace" demonstrated in the building of this masjid?

First the mosque, then Shariah Law — coming soon to a lot near you.

William Van Amber Fields


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  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:40 pm on Tue, Aug 31, 2010.

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    I saw this on you tube about the Mosque at groud zero.... I would love to read comments of what you all think about this mans opinions...

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:47 pm on Mon, Aug 30, 2010.

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    Joanna...Apparently Mr. Baumbach has no faith in our Constitution or our leaders, or perhaps, he thinks that President Obama is a Muslim

    Joanne, where did that come from? I have no idea what religion our president is.... and I do not care if he is says he is Muslim, Jewish , Atheist or Christian… what does that have to do with what I was saying... I was trying to point out that other places like Europe and Malaysia were not so long ago a different society... and that some people are concerned about the violent nature of some Muslims ... especially the ones involved with 9/11. Our constitution today and the laws that are claimed to be constitutional makes any stability or predictability of change or not, non-existent ... please tell me what you are inferring that I should be having faith of … that somehow our existing constitution will protect us from what has permeated Europe? I really do think Muslims in general are wonderful thoughtful people. However, we should be careful as many are not peaceful…
    What concerns me more than all mentioned above is people like you Joanne… as you and people like you have enabling tendencies that should concern all of us. Its people like you that keep me from having faith in the constitution.

  • stan taves posted at 1:29 pm on Mon, Aug 30, 2010.

    Stan Taves Posts: 320

    ...no need to be like that Ms Bobin. I'm sure that you are very nice, but you are also very wrong. I chose you're abbreviated name because I liked it -- just like I like you. Now... as for your concept of "caring"? OK. but if that is case then maybe you should "care" just a little bit harder.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:04 pm on Mon, Aug 30, 2010.

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    I don't recall giving you permission to call me anything other than my registered name.

    To call me anything other than that is a liberty I don't think you should be taking and it is a lame attempt at mocking, Mr. Taves.

    BTW, three of my high school colleagues were killed on 9/11, so yes, I do care, thank you.

  • stan taves posted at 7:07 am on Mon, Aug 30, 2010.

    Stan Taves Posts: 320

    Ms. Bobin, wants to know "how far away" would be OK. Please, Jo! if you are going to take the time to ask a question, then at least make it a challenging one. A reasonable distance is the obvious answer. What is reasonable you might ask? And the answer to that question has yet to be determined. But this much is certain: The spot that they have already chosen is clearly an affront to those ( the vast majority of Americans ) who have suffered. ...Don't care too much about that, now do ya, Jo?

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:30 pm on Sun, Aug 29, 2010.

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    Apparently Mr. Baumbach has no faith in our Constitution or our leaders, or perhaps, he thinks that President Obama is a Muslim who will somehow undermine our established government and institute Shariah law. Please enlighten us all on exactly how Mr. Obama will accomplish this.

    Mr. Taves, I believe that the "dust," the remains of all of the victims of the WTC 9/11 attacks, has probably been spread to all corners of the earth by now. How far away does the "mosque" have to be before someone declares that it is OK to build it?

    There are many families of WTC victims that believe it should be built. For those people, FOX News is now building the case that there must be "sinister" forces behind the funding and the people involved in this project. How far will our society allow the FOX propaganda machine to go before someone says, "enough?" Their weapon is fear, and the same can be said of the Christian zealots who are trying to whip the populace into an anti-Islamic frenzy. So sad that so many Americans are so weak minded that they believe everything that they see, read, hear....

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:54 pm on Sat, Aug 28, 2010.

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    Joanne Bobin posted at 3:53 pm on Thu, Aug 26, 2010.
    And why has Shariah law not been instituted following the building of all of the other mosques in the US?

    JoAnne... have you been to Malaysia... I have. It used to be a non Muslim country and now it is. When I was there in Kuala Lumpur, I watched the TV and saw a woman sentenced to a public whipping because she drank one beer in public. That is a result of Shariah law that now dominates their society. Non Muslims, including many Chinese and Indian people, in their country are afraid to speak out from my experience. Europe is now experiencing Shariah law in their mist due to large numbers of Muslims who migrated there. ... do you not think it possible that our country could evolve into that kind of society. Mosques are being built by the hundreds and some people are concerned that what has happened in other countries could someday happen here.... I am not saying it is likely or not… I’m saying some people are concerned with the direction things are going…

  • stan taves posted at 5:18 pm on Sat, Aug 28, 2010.

    Stan Taves Posts: 320

    ...don't care much for Mr. Fields letter, I see. Well that's too bad, because he's right. Joanne wants to know which corner of "Ground Zero" is meant for the mosque. What Joanne fails to recognize is that "Ground Zero" is not just a hole where the Trade Centers once stood. ..."Ground Zero" is in the hearts of every one who suffers to this very day. Every square inch of Lower Manhattan is part of "Ground Zero" -- it was all covered in the dust of murderous hatred, you know -- or maybe not. Maybe Joanne just doesn't understand how big Ground Zero really is. Is that because in her effort to minimize size and scope of the attack; she is then able minimize the hateful nature of the Islamic terrorists who attacked us. C'mon... what gives...?

  • Sam Heller posted at 5:56 pm on Fri, Aug 27, 2010.

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    Joanne, I agree.

    The worst thing we can do is to leave that big old hole there. It is reminder that the terrorists had the power to take us down. I say build a mosgue, a cathedral, a synogue, whatever... as well as a memorial park, an art gallery (?). a community center (?), even a lake.... just not a hole.

    That hole, in my opinion, makes us look like we cannot move on. We are an amazing country, made up of all beliefs and all religions. We are resilient and we need to move on.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:53 pm on Thu, Aug 26, 2010.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Fields: Just which corner of the former WTC site (Ground Zero) is this mosque being built on?

    And why has Shariah law not been instituted following the building of all of the other mosques in the US?

    Your logic (read "fear mongering") is unsubstantiated.


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