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Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:22 am, Thu Jul 26, 2012.

Those of you who did not attend the standing room only July 23 meeting of Lodi Citizens in Action missed a lively and very informative presentation by Heather Gass, activist for freedom and private property rights. Her straightforward disclosure of Agenda 21 was enlightening and scary.

It is imperative that everyone become informed about what a quasi-government organization (SJCOG) is doing to take away public and private lands and move citizens toward high-density housing settlements under the guise of saving our land for wildlife. Confiscation of land in California for this purpose is already taking place. Unknowingly owners of farmland have turned over parcels of their land to these agencies for millions of dollars with the stipulation that it will forever remain a conservation easement under the watchful and controlling eye of the government.

The decisions for use of this land are then taken out of the hands of the original owner. These easements of land will eventually need to be linked together into corridors for animal migrations. By the way, all this is coming out of your tax dollars.

I know this all sounds like conspiracy theory because, by design, mainstream media does not publish this kind of information. Can you imagine the outcry if they did, especially in an election year? If you want more information on this, research AB2785 California Essential Habitat Connectivity Project.

To save our country from an out-of-control, over-spending government, you'd better wake up and get informed before your freedoms disappear.

Joan Wright

Lodi

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74 comments:

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:32 pm on Tue, Jul 31, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    A non-governmental organization called the International Council of Local Environmental Initiatives, ICLEI, is tasked with carrying out the goals of Agenda 21. Over 600 cities in the U.S. are members. The costs are paid by taxpayers.

    Guess what? Three cities in California have declared bankruptcy. What do they have in common? San Bernardino, Stockton, and Mammoth Lakes are all ICLEI members.

    It's time that people educate themselves and read the document. After that, get a copy of your city or county's General Plan and read it. You will find all sorts of policies that are nearly identical to those in U.N. Agenda 21.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:05 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1845

    Mr. Chapman, nothing good ever comes from trying to have a rational discourse with the Class Clown. His whole goal is to goad someone into playing his asinine grammar school games. You will be far better off if you simply don't respond to his infantile remarks. He is on permanent IGNORE.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 4:47 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Why would a city oppose Agenda 21? Ms. Polenske suggests tin foil hats.

    I would suggest it's BECAUSE THEY HAVE EDUCATED AND INFORMED THEMSELVES BY READING IT!!!

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:28 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1845

    getting WISER, not WIDER (well according to studies that could be true also)[beam]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:26 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1845

    Kathy Polenske, that is the LIBERAL agenda. Demean, demonize and humiliate peole who don't agree with their ideology in attemts to make them "give up". Exactly what
    O-Blame-O was taught and attempting to do while he is occupying the Oval Office. Well, guess what. There are a lot of people in America that are wise and getting wider daily to his antics. America is NOT for sale, at any price. Screw the UN,it costs Americans billions and we should have withdrawn from that corrupt organization years ago.

     
  • Kathy Polenske posted at 1:34 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    Kathy Polenske Posts: 2

    It's apparent some of you think us yahoos in Lodi are incapable of reading source documents and drawing logical conclusions. Maybe so, but we are not alone. In June Alabama became the first state to put anti-Agenda 21 legislation into affect. Several other states have proposed similar legislation. The link below contains information on just some of the actions taken by various government entities in opposition to AG21. That's a lot of tin foil hats.

    http://americanfreedomwatchradio.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2012/05/5-3-12-State-County-City-Legislation-Concerning-Agenda-21-+-ICLEI-4.pdf

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 1:06 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2297

    Chuckle.... I take it that means "none"?

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:49 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Stevie, I keep hoping you will grow up and act your age but I guess that's never going to happen. You enjoy playing your childish immature little games that I find to boring and a total waste of time. Trying to interact with you is like talking to a 3 year old.
    You don't have " many other studies that say the same thing" or you would have posted them.
    Have a good life.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:44 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach wrote on July 28, 2012 @ 9:22AM: "It is Obama that taught an"Alinsky" course while a professor in a Chicago university."

    Now you are back peddling, Mr. Baumbach. You originally wrote that he taught the course "while a professor in a Chicago university." - AKA, the University of Chicago Law School.

    Now you claim he taught "workshops."

    Time to get your "story" right.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 12:00 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1845

    Andy, not necessary.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 11:52 am on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2297

    Lil' Bibi, there are many other studies that say the same thing. I chose this one because it was from your holiest source, FOX News.

    Of course, if you are contending that FOX News faked the study to make conservatives look stupid.....

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 11:49 am on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2297

    LOL! Well, I certainly have noticed that your position deteriorates when I or any other thinking person become involved.

    Intellectual houses of cards perform poorly when exposed to scrutiny.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:34 am on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Exactly! [thumbup]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:23 am on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Exactly! [thumbup]

    Perhaps I should re-post the comments she made to you resulting in the entire thread being deleted.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:09 am on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    one of many Ms Bobin... Andrew is right, Agenda 21 is the topic, stop distracting and distorting Ms Bobin...

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/243226

    Obama received a comprehensive course in Saul Alinsky during his years as a community organizer in Chicago, an experience Obama recalled as "the best education he ever had."

    Years later in 2007, The New Republic's Ryan Lizza interviewed then-senator Obama and found him still "at home talking Alinskian jargon about 'agitation,'" and fondly recalling organizing workshops where he had learned Alinsky-esque concepts like "being predisposed to other people's power."

    In those years, Obama was schooled by disciples of Alinsky himself, including Mike Kruglik, who remembered Obama as "the best student he ever had," a "natural ... undisputed master of agitation."

    Kruglik should know because he studied at the Industrial Areas Foundation, the community organizing school founded by Alinsky. Obama completed the national training course taught by the IAF in Los Angeles.

    He then went on to teach Alinsky concepts and methods at community organizing workshops and seminars in Southside Chicago.

    Obama also served on boards in Chicago, including the Woods Fund and Joyce Foundation, which dispensed grants to groups specializing in Alinsky-style agitation.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:33 am on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "No one is accusing liberals of "reading" anything. That is a given. Reading is not an activity liberals enjoy. It is Obama that taught an"Alinsky" course while a professor in a Chicago university."

    Funny that I cannot find a single reference outside of quack right-wing websites that substantiate Mr. Baumbach's claim that Obama taught an Alinsky class. What would that have to do with Constitutional Law, which is what he was employed to teach?

    Mr. Crowder: I hadn't checked this website from Friday afternoon until Sunday morning and noticed all comments had been deleted and disabled.

    I suspect the usual suspects got out of hand with their usual use of profanity and vulgarities.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 9:03 am on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Environment, not Invironment

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 9:02 am on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Well we certaiinly wouldn't want the Tea Party competing with the "mindless zombies" that follow Obama and the liberal socialists/Marxist playbook now would we? Obama was schooled in Marxism and Communism and followed the teachings if Islam. Take a look at countries that follow the ideology he is espousing. Want America to wind up like them? I, for one, certainly don't and there are millions of Americans that are willing to make sure that doesn't happen. I suggest if that is the type of invironment some people want, they should simply relocate to a country that suits their agenda.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:22 am on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Getting back to the topic at hand...AGENDA 21.

    The reality is that many of the wealthiest and most prominent people in the world are absolutely obsessed with the green agenda and with population control. Just consider the following quotes….

    David Rockefeller: “The negative impact of population growth on all of our planetary ecosystems is becoming appallingly evident.”

    CNN Founder Ted Turner: “A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”

    Dave Foreman, Earth First Co-Founder: “My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of species, returning throughout the world.”

    Maurice Strong: “Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”

    Michael Oppenheimer: “The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States. We can’t let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the US. We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are.”

    This radical agenda 21 is even represented in the White House.

    John P. Holdren, Barack Obama’s top science advisor, co-authored a textbook entitled “Ecoscience” back in 1977 in which he actually advocated mass sterilization, compulsory abortion, a one world government and a global police force to enforce population control.

    On page 837 of Ecoscience, a claim is made that compulsory abortion would be perfectly legal under the U.S. Constitution….

    “Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society.”

    On pages 942 and 943, a call is made for the creation of a “planetary regime” that would control the global economy and enforce population control measures….

    “Perhaps those agencies, combined with UNEP and the United Nations population agencies, might eventually be developed into a Planetary Regime—sort of an international superagency for population, resources, and environment. Such a comprehensive Planetary Regime could control the development, administration, conservation, and distribution of all natural resources, renewable or nonrenewable, at least insofar as international implications exist. Thus the Regime could have the power to control pollution not only in the atmosphere and oceans, but also in such freshwater bodies as rivers and lakes that cross international boundaries or that discharge into the oceans. The Regime might also be a logical central agency for regulating all international trade, perhaps including assistance from DCs to LDCs, and including all food on the international market.”

    “The Planetary Regime might be given responsibility for determining the optimum population for the world and for each region and for arbitrating various countries’ shares within their regional limits. Control of population size might remain the responsibility of each government, but the Regime would have some power to enforce the agreed limits.”

    On page 917, the surrender of U.S. national sovereignty to an international organization is advocated….

    “If this could be accomplished, security might be provided by an armed international organization, a global analogue of a police force. Many people have recognized this as a goal, but the way to reach it remains obscure in a world where factionalism seems, if anything, to be increasing. The first step necessarily involves partial surrender of sovereignty to an international organization.”

    As mentioned earlier, Holdren is the number one science advisor to Barack Obama, and the truth is that the top levels of the U.S. government are packed with people that believe this stuff.

    Yes, a lot of what you just read sounds crazy "conspiracy theory" but the global elite really do believe in population control and they really are seeking to implement a radical environmental agenda across the entire planet.

    Of course those who refuse to read Agenda 21 haven't any idea how far this radical agenda has advanced...

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:17 am on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

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    Actually, I am simply attempting to match your absurdity and find it very distasteful. I am actually pleased when LNS deletes all these comments that are a direct result of your participation. I think when you are involved, the comments deteriorate. It is not a loss to delete my comments as well as yours.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 7:14 am on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Just as I figured, "study after study" is now ONE questionable poll most likely conducted by a liberal think tank . And even that shows a "slightly wider margin", not FAR more than liberals.Liberals are always trying to make something out of nothing to reinforce their insignificant claims.
    One of my pleasures while I traverse this beautiful American country is reading. I read every day and complete 3-4 books a month. I read mostly non-fiction history but will occasionally pick up a book by Grisham or Coonts or another novel that looks interesting.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:30 am on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2297

    Chuckle... 60 years old and you still haven't mastered that whole rubber and glue schtick.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:31 pm on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I did not realize you perceived LNS considered you a sacred cow...

    I thought they treated everyone equally.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 4:54 pm on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2297

    The LNS intervened to save one of their sacred cows who had argued itself to the edge of extinction.

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 4:10 pm on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Why have comments been disabled on the Obama letter and deleted in large blocks on other threads?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:15 pm on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1845

    Robert, good luck with the Class Clown verifying anything he posts. He simply makes up statements that he thinks will reinforce his position. But, perhaps he is correct, I am sure liberals read many more comic books and fairy tales than conservatives. The biggest fairy tale of all would be "Dreams from my Father" which is full of deception and outright lies.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:50 pm on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Stevie posted: "study after study shows that liberals read far more than conservatives."
    Wow, Stevie, if there are that many studies done you shouldn't have any problem posting proof of your absurd statement. Mind you, quotes from Chris Matthews or Rachel Maddow don't count. Bona Fide UNBIASED

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:39 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [offtopic]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:31 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    What page of Agenda 21 did that come from? [rolleyes]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:23 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I think it's 100% safe to say they are "not conscious of it."

    I'll go a step further and say, I willing to bet they would deny an Obama/Alinksky connection even exists...much like they deny Agenda 21 that's being implemented right before they wide shut eyes...

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:10 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Exactly! [thumbup]

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 8:44 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2297

    What DB fails to comprehend is that Alinsky was a tactician, not a theorist.

    When a crowd of Birtherbaggers stands up in a Town Hall Meeting and shouts down anyone who dares to challenge their preconceptions (including the Congressperson) tactically, that is pure Alinsky, even if the politics that the Palinmites in question are espousing are completely contrary to anything Alinsky ever advocated.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 8:39 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2297

    Well, locally, I would say that it is pretty clear that Kim Parigoris has more than a passing familiarity with Alinsky's tactics.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:19 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    lol... [offtopic] once again...

    Which part of Ms. Wright's letter discusses Andrew?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:21 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Really? care to name names of tea party leaders who appreciates Alinsky like Obama who worshiped and taught students his principles.

    Steve, please stop looking so foolish.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 6:03 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2297

    But it was the teabaggers that actually adopted Alinsky's tactics.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:32 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    ...again, It was Obama that taught an Alinsky course in Chicago. It was Hilary Clinton who publicaly embraced Alinsky. It is the liberal left who embrace Obama and his directions.

    Your Alinsky puppet masters are calling Steve. How high will you jump?.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 11:47 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2297

    Has Andrew been banned?

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 11:46 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2297

    DB, either you are shying away from the truth or you aren't privy to your thought masters' game book.

    As for reading, study after study shows that liberals read far more than conservatives. Certainly the participants on this board amply demonstrate the general rule that the less informed you are, the more likely you are to be a conservative.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:22 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Steve stated...Chuckle.... the only people that actually read Alinsky anymore are the baggers. Their politics may be antithetical to Alinsky's but their tactics are lifted verbatim from his pages

    No one is accusing liberals of "reading" anything. That is a given. Reading is not an activity liberals enjoy. It is Obama that taught an"Alinsky" course while a professor in a Chicago university. It is Hilary Clinton the publical embraced Alinsky's teaching and was involved with his organization. It is liberals who embrace Obama and Clinton... It is liberals who embrace Alinsky.

    Steve can distort reality to his heart's content. However, people who can read and have an average or better IQ know he is lying or badly mistaken.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:50 pm on Fri, Jul 27, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2297

    DB wrote: "I think they honestly believe their thoughts are their own but after reading Alyinsky's playbook"

    Chuckle.... the only people that actually read Alinsky anymore are the baggers. Their politics may be antithetical to Alinsky's but their tactics are lifted verbatim from his pages.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:44 pm on Fri, Jul 27, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Chase stated...... without government oversight would destroy all life sustaining habitats.

    Then I assume you do appreciate China's government that has complete oversight of its environment....100%... However, as a person who spends a great deal of time in China, I noticed that polution as well as all that you talk about is not successful. Why to you perceive government control is the solution?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:37 pm on Fri, Jul 27, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    MsBobin stated...Sorry, Ms. Parigoris, I have never read Alinsky nor do I need to

    One not read something to embrace the principles that are practiced often by the left.
    Ms Bobin is a certified pro and could easily teach a course in "Alinsky" as well as Obama did in Chicago.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:36 pm on Fri, Jul 27, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Only a "mindless zombie" would mock something they haven't read and clearly don't understand...

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:10 pm on Fri, Jul 27, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Ms. Parigoris wrote: Schmidt and Ms Bobin- your tactics (#5 and 12) don't work anymore- From Wikipedia's "Alinsky's Rules for Radicals"

    Sorry, Ms. Parigoris, I have never read Alinsky nor do I need to. When material presents itself as worthy of mockery, mocked it should be. Otherwise we would have the whole population following the TEA Party "playbook" like mindless zombies.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:58 pm on Fri, Jul 27, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Sounds like they lost their visas and had to leave the country.

    Nice to know that Mr. Baumbach supports outsourcing to the point that he actually went to India to have his website built by foreigners.

    No wonder you and Mitt Romney get along so well.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:59 am on Fri, Jul 27, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Most seem have an opinion concerning a document they haven't even read let alone understand. It's as sad as it is pathetic.

     
  • Jeff Chase posted at 9:46 am on Fri, Jul 27, 2012.

    Jeff Chase Posts: 12

    Great and important debate here no doubt. I would enjoy seeing a world in which the human impacts on the globe were moving in a much different direction. EVERY life system on the planet is in decline. Land, sea, air, water resources, species, etc. We've shown a propensity as a species to destroy much of what we touch. Our luxury had been smaller numbers of humans which the planet could handle. That's changed quickly in the modern age with sanitation, medical advancements, and increased food production. Come talk to me (which I know we'll be gone) when the planet has 40 billion people. Ufunfettered and unregulated, humans making decisions about the use of privatley held resources--- without government oversight would destroy all life sustaining habitats. When those habitats die---we die. Have to look 500 years down the road folks. And we can't ASSUME a plague or other natural disaster might knock our numbers back substantially. We've got ONE spaceship earth. It's in trouble. Governments that don't plan for this future now will be sorry. And as is typical in America they will be reactive vs. proactive.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:48 am on Fri, Jul 27, 2012.

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    Thanks for the website, it articulated the situation well...

    In a nutshell, the plan calls for governments to take control of all land use and not leave any of the decision making in the hands of private property owners. It is assumed that people are not good stewards of their land and the government will do a better job if they are in control. Individual rights in general are to give way to the needs of communities as determined by the governing body. Moreover, people should be rounded up off the land and packed into human settlements, or islands of human habitation, close to employment centers and transportation. Another program, called the Wildlands Project spells out how most of the land is to be set aside for non-humans.

    U.N. Agenda 21 cites the affluence of Americans as being a major problem which needs to be corrected. It calls for lowering the standard of living for Americans so that the people in poorer countries will have more, a redistribution of wealth. Although people around the world aspire to achieve the levels of prosperity we have in our country, and will risk their lives to get here, Americans are cast in a very negative light and need to be taken down to a condition closer to average in the world. Only then, they say, will there be social justice which is a cornerstone of the U.N. Agenda 21 plan

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:43 am on Fri, Jul 27, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Chase stated...Somebody has to intervene and ensure that these natural resources aren't squandered, used/misused for the long term health and welfare of future Americans.

    Mr Chase sounds like a concerned person who has good intent. Can you please post an example or two of what you consider abuse in the Lodi area and how "someone" should intervene here locally. Who is this someone that should have authority to make decisions. Who gets to define what abuse is? Who gets to control? What property rights do you consider appropriate. Some groups consider any human activity abuse of land and environment. Is it these groups that get to decide...if not why not?

    Do you favor countries like China where only the government can own land and decide what abuse is or is not?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:32 am on Fri, Jul 27, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Excellent observation Ms Parigoris. These people deny even knowing Alinsky's strategies and techniques yet have embraced it completely. I think they honestly believe their thoughts are their own but after reading Alyinsky's playbook, it is obvious what they are doing even if they are not conscious of it.

    I think for people who understand what it is they are doing, their activity simply provides motivation and determination to defeat them.

    [wink]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:19 am on Fri, Jul 27, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Barrow stated...you speaking out against it aware that in Mumbai there is a slum with a population equivalent to the population of London and its only the third largest slum in the world. That's 7.5 million people occupying a slum, health officials there estimate that there is one commode for every 600 people

    Nothing like statistics and uneducated opinions to distort reality. Good job Mr Barrow.

    I stayed in Mumbai for six weeks working with an IT company developing my website. I had a team of five IT people who worked with me. I found that 2 of my team had lived and worked in United States earning a very good living. However, they hated living in USA and what it had to offer in life and returned to India earning $300. per month working 10 hours per day, six days per week...giving up their nice USA salary at 8 hours per day. Why? Why would they do that?

    Why would anyone give up a bay area well paid position and with joy and enthusiasm return to poverty instead of America? If someone read Mr Barrow's post, they would not believe any one would make that decision. I know why but I will leave it to your imagination.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:24 pm on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2297

    Hmmm.... the LNS says that there spam filtering is malfunctioning so this could be a double post but here goes.....

    When you really think about Ms Parigoris' act, you see that it is all nothing more than a con job, an elaborate bait and switch run on local voters to benefit the big developers.

    All that talk about Liberty and the Constitution but, when it comes to an actual application of her political capital where do we find her but here, in a sordid attempt toscrew local farmers so that her real masters can build more houses that no one wants to live in.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:09 pm on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

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    Before the bubble burst, governments were handing money in the form of exemptions and tax incentives right and left to developers who paved over our fields as fast as they could with strip malls and instant ghettos. Did Ms Parigoris ever raise even as much as a peep of protest over those expenditures?

    Now, however, in these dark days, the government tries to give a little tax relief to local farmers and Parigoris and her pack of baggerbirthers are all up in arms. Can you hear the strings being pulled?

    This movement is pure astroturf, bought and paid for by the same people who drove our county to the brink of ruin in the name of unlimited sprawl and never ending development.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 2:57 pm on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2297

    Chuckle.... Kim, the Teabag Taliban's fondness for Mr Alinsky is well known as is their affection for his tactics. Forget Wikipedia, I am sure you have your own well thumbed copy right there on your desk. I mean, its not like you guys came up with the idea of shouting down your opponents by yourself. That one was pure Alinsky (although he did borrow the inspiration from your spiritual godfather Benito Mussolini).

    That said, if you are going to act in a ridiculous fashion, I am going to laugh at you and I can't think of anything more ridiculous than a so called "conservative" opposing tax relief for farmers.

    If you had any shame whatsoever, you would be ashamed of yourself.

     
  • Kathy Polenske posted at 2:41 pm on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Kathy Polenske Posts: 2

    Where ever you stand on this issue you may benefit from checking out www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:11 pm on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    TEA Partiers and those who think like them do not believe in basic physics or biology. Humans are not a part of an ecosystem. There are no symbiotic relationships. They can live in a vacuum, pollute the air, water, and land at will, and emerge unscathed.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 2:05 pm on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Schmidt and Ms Bobin- your tactics (#5 and 12) don't work anymore- From Wikipedia's "Alinsky's Rules for Radicals"
    RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)[2]

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 1:55 pm on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    There are 18 recorded conservation easements in the county, by the COG. The latest one the taxpayers paid 3.2 million dollars for, between acquisition costs and management fees, probably to ICF international from Sacramento that is listed as the Land Manager. The land can never be planted in trees or vineyards and will be posted as off limits to the general public. So we are paying for these easements and yet have no say in its management or use. If they want to sell their land and its use to some private party and use private money- have at it! But using taxpayer dollars for these uses is not right. Also the United States Dept of Agriculture is kicking back 756,000 to the COG to the latest acquisition- does that sound like local control of our land? I'm sure there will be no strings attached to THAT money! And they are discussing 2 more at tonight's meeting. One on Jack Tone and Eight Mile Road and one more in Tracy. All under the SJMSCP (San Joaquin Multi-Species Habitat Conservation and Open Space Plan) We all love our habitat and preserving our natural resources, but I think right now this country and state are facing real economic emergencies and all we are doing is spending money on easements and Green Sustainable Develepment and Smart Growth snake oil salesman

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:53 pm on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I'm sure that all of those citizens of Mumbai's slum possess each a CHICKEN and a vegetable garden that makes them self-sustainable - certainly good enough for Mr. Baumbach's standards. Who needs government or its wicked entitlements when there is a chicken in every hovel?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:49 pm on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    But, Mr. Baumbach, you have claimed in this forum that China is a far more outstanding country than the United States. I'm sure Mao's thinking had a lot to do with that.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:46 pm on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    No, no...Ms. Wright states that they "unknowingly TURNED OVER parcels for millions of dollars.." Selling would require a document recorded with the county. If they were simply "persuaded" to "turn over parcels," for conservation purposes, then there would be no proof of the transfer and the "millions of dollars" would just be considered rental fees or some such contrivance, paid in advance. After 7 years, since the owners haven't used the property, the government can then claim adverse possession and...Voila!

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 11:57 am on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2297

    Awesome! The Sahara Club should be banned from all government lands.

    If they want to destroy the environment, let them buy their own chunk of it to tear apart.

     
  • Jeff Chase posted at 11:38 am on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Jeff Chase Posts: 12

    When Lodi and Stockton can't even hammer out a green belt between them..........due to the folks whining over property rights............it gives me very little hope that enlightened, long term, land use decisions will be made. The short term land owners (one lifetime)--for some reason--think they "made" the stuff. They didn't make the land, air, nor water--all of which are important to human survival. Somebody has to intervene and ensure that these natural resources aren't squandered, used/misused for the long term health and welfare of future Americans. It's a perfectly legitimate role of government. I really wish that folks would always make the right decisions........but they don't. They mean well but don't always make decisions based on facts. And let's not forget graft and corruption.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 11:24 am on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2297

    What Ms Gassy and her bagger compatriots don't mention is the fact that their organizations are heavily subsidized by developers who see agricultural land as a barrier to their dream of spreading instant ghettos from the Pacific Ocean to the Nevada desert.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:20 am on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1490

    I'm a little surprised that any thinks that sustainable development is not a good idea are any of you speaking out against it aware that in Mumbai there is a slum with a population equivalent to the population of London and its only the third largest slum in the world. That's 7.5 million people occupying a slum, health officials there estimate that there is one commode for every 600 people. Some sustainable development practices are certainly needed there. Andrew I've downloaded the Agenda 21 pdf so far just skimmed the topic heads but I must say it's an encouraging document. If for some reason what it contains worries you than your fears are justified because there are many who would like to see it's theories put into practice.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 11:19 am on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2297

    Conservatives against tax relief for farmers. What's next, Republicans trying to do away with the Second Amendment????

    OH WAIT!!!! I forgot all about the Romney Semiautomatic Rifle Ban!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:51 am on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Chase stated...And look at all these local yocals on vallety city councils, etc. You think they can be entrusted to make these kinds of long term land use decisions wisely--not hardly.. I say Agenda 21 needs even more power.......not less.

    liberal think in motion. " they know what is best for the masses. They ( the masses) are not capable of doing the right thing. They( the liberals) do know and will gladly force you to do what they think best. Yes the local yocals are just plain stupid and need to be managed, manipulated and controlled for their own good... yes, they (liberals) need more power, not less.

    Mao is throwing a party from his grave seeing how popular his thinking has become...

     
  • Jeff Chase posted at 10:27 am on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Jeff Chase Posts: 12

    While I applaud Joan for paying attention, so do many others. However some peer beyond one's own lifetime and attempt to predict what current land use patterns may equate to in 300-500 years. What if status quo low density develpoment continues in the valley--without government intervention? What would California look like with 125 million folks in 2100? High density is inevitable if we're going to salvage some of the best farmland on the planet (i.e. the Central Valley.) It has a Mediterranean climate perfect for growing and abundant water for crops. Joan---one of THE best locations on the ENTIRE planet to grow food. Remember the global population is exploding. But we get short term development folks with dollar signs in their eyes that only worry about the here and now. Property rights folks only concern themselves with their present economic status. Land is a natural resource that was given by "GOD" and it's use invloves ALL of us. Humans who own land now can't dictate to future generations that they will lose this valuable resource so a few can sell their land for low density develpment and strip malls. And look at all these local yocals on vallety city councils, etc. You think they can be entrusted to make these kinds of long term land use decisions wisely--not hardly. I say Agenda 21 needs even more power.......not less. That's one of the problems with conservatiism--the world changes and needs pragmatism, but the conservative can't help but cling to the past and bury their head in the sand.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:25 am on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1490

    Joan... your right thinking that government is taking "away public and private lands and move citizens toward high-density housing settlements under the guise of saving our land for wildlife." does sound like conspiracy theory. How is it that landowners unknowingly sold their land for millions of dollars?

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 9:53 am on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2297

    Seriously, when you look the massive flood of out of town nut jobs who have come to our fair city in the last 30 years (some from as far away as Philadelphia) you begin to realize that the real immigration crisis isn't at the Mexican board, its at the city limits.

    Perhaps Lodi should erect checkpoints on Turner, Kettleman and a couple of the other points of entry. Anyone who responds in the affirmative to the question "Do you think kindergarten is a communist plot" could be denied entry.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 9:22 am on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Read the full Connectivity report here..http://www.dfg.ca.gov/habcon/connectivity/
    Go down about halfway to Final Report..

    United States Forest Service shuts off 800 miles of Tahoe trails to any motorized recreation.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A394k8KtnMM&feature=player_embedded

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 9:04 am on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    please email me at kim@lodicitizensinaction.com . thank you

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:53 am on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Thank-you Ms. Wright for educating and informing yourself. Far too many are sleepwalking through their lives completely oblivious.

    In the following video, you will find a compilation of explanation about some of the most important aspects that the United Nations seeks to impose its will on through Agenda 21. Please watch it carefully and consider to research even further than the points touched upon on the video. If you have not read the text of Agenda 21, please do so. It is a short and bitter insight of the kind of world you and your children will live in if humanity does not act NOW.

    See related video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7mnQHeGPrw

     

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