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Posted: Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:00 am

I am writing this letter in regards to the Roget Park ceremonies on April 6. I attended the event to help celebrate a new and beautiful park in our community. The opening ceremonies and presentation were very nice and well done.

As I walking around the park enjoying it with my wife I see a young kid (teenager) playing his guitar. My wife and I went closer to enjoy more as we continued to view the new park, and when we approached we realized there was a sign out on the teen's guitar case asking for donations for his college fund and pizza. At first I was thinking it was a joke, but then, watching people in our community walk by, read it and put money in his case, I then realized it was not. My wife and I found this to be disrespectful to the family the park land was donated by, and to our fellow citizens.

After discussing this with others, I found out that the teen performing and collecting money was the director of Parks and Recreation’s son. This to me is even more disappointing and disrespectful.

Ken Carver


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  • Lawrence Steinberg posted at 6:57 pm on Sun, Apr 28, 2013.

    Lawrence Steinberg Posts: 65

    Lodi could definitely do with a few more buskers.

  • trista aquino posted at 3:50 am on Sun, Apr 28, 2013.

    trista aquino Posts: 119

    Oh Ms Bobin; I just read your comment and your soooo right- that's gotta be it! Geez I was totally stumped for a second there but I think you nailed it!
    And JRS; I'm with you on that one!

  • trista aquino posted at 3:30 am on Sun, Apr 28, 2013.

    trista aquino Posts: 119

    I found it upsetting that our own city council took it upon themselves to approve spending $5000 on brand new Ipads and accessories out of that small chunk of funding meant for non profit orgs in our community. They should've put out a tip jars themselves and waited to see if their performance as leaders earned them enough tips from their peers to buy those 5 Ipads.

  • trista aquino posted at 3:01 am on Sun, Apr 28, 2013.

    trista aquino Posts: 119

    Awww, how sad people see that in a negative way. Well I personally think it was awesome that he was out there making an honest attempt of making some money. He has the talent And the guts to perform infront of a live (and local) audience, he's not trying to rob somebody or racking up petty theft charges, or getting paid to be unemployed, his wages are on a 100% voluntary dependant upon the liking and opinions of the members of his community.
    Was the music not to their taste? Was it bcuz people were buying and selling and conducting this exchange of money all by themselves as if they were grown ups in a free country? Ya we all know he doesn't have a business license, that he didn't produce a social security card so that the powers that be could keep track of him, and there's probably no papers somewhere w/ his John Hancock agreeing to the terms of a million things he must agree to to play his guitar-but do we Have to rely on the system to do all of our thinking and judging for us. So he didn't pay taxes out of it- maybe he's not getting financial aid or food stamps either which would save us Way more money then what we would've gotten from his taxes.
    Anyways- to the guitarist; don't be discouraged-if that many ppl were giving you $ then you must be good at what your doing and atleast your doing something good and positive. To his dad; please don't let 1 complaint stop you from allowing your son to entertain his peers,

  • Jeff Payne posted at 11:17 am on Sat, Apr 27, 2013.

    Jeff Payne Posts: 7

    Apologies: that was supposed to refer to the Christenson brothers who frequently perform bluegrass at farmers market.

  • Jeff Payne posted at 11:03 am on Sat, Apr 27, 2013.

    Jeff Payne Posts: 7

    I am acquainted with the younger Mr. Hood. I know him to be a quality person and very talented musician. I always enjoy the chance to hear local young people share their talent (for instance, the ChristensoFDA at farmers market).

    I am sorry that Mr. Carver does not recognize or value the volunteer efforts of a teenager who spends time developing his talent and sharing that talent when INVITED to do so.

  • Quan Pham posted at 2:41 pm on Fri, Apr 26, 2013.

    qpham63 Posts: 31

    I made balloon animals in Balboa Park in SD and worked for gratuity to help with college costs. I stole from no one and forced no one to pay me. The parents who got balloons for kids were happy, the kids were happy and I with my hat full of change/bills were happy.

    Where is the harm? Was the director's son on the park's payroll or something? What is the harm? Did he just suck at his guitar playing? You indicated you gotten closer to "enjoy" it so perhaps you should drop a few bills in the hat.

    I am one of those who am grateful that there are some who are willing to perform for tips. If it should get to be too popular, a permitting system will help keep things under control. Then perhaps if there was favoritism shown, you can come back and complain.

  • Doug Chaney posted at 10:21 am on Fri, Apr 26, 2013.

    advocate Posts: 502

    Mr. McBozoball, look at city council and management and the puppets that orchestrate the every move of the good ol' boys. The three amigos are going to end up in the same embarrassing position as those ignorant officials in Bell, Ca., who thought their caca didn't stink.

  • Doug Chaney posted at 10:17 am on Fri, Apr 26, 2013.

    advocate Posts: 502

    Lee, there is no good ol' boy network in the Lodi area. Just ask Mr. Morgan, who seems to know everything god about Lodi but is like the good ol' boys who constantly turn the other way while the corruption and nepotism happens right in their presence.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:16 am on Fri, Apr 26, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    Unless the musician was violating any law or ordinance or if the music he was playing was not appropriate, I cannot understand how he could have been disrespectful.

    In recent years our parks have been used for many nefarious uses (especially at night) and many have been damaged to the point where they were unusable. As far as I'm concerned there could be a hundred guitar, violin or even a tuba player sharing their music with their cases or hats on the ground indicating that donations would be welcome and I'd be happy with it.

    Finally, I really don't understand why Mr. Carver was even "more" disappointed when he learned the musician's familial connection to the Director of Parks and Recreation. Should he have been exempted from performing for that reason?

  • Jonathan Shinn posted at 8:08 am on Fri, Apr 26, 2013.

    JRS Posts: 9

    Well said, Josh. [thumbup]

    Doug, seriously - get a hobby.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 6:52 pm on Thu, Apr 25, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1672

    Jeff it was great that people got to hear your sons playing (my sons a part time musician as I was at one time). I wasn't there but I sure don't have a problem with it. As to the allegations Doug is throwing here I know nothing about and leave that for you guys to work out. Those that were offended by the music in the park or disappointed someone would ask for some compensation need to understand free enterprise and what a public park experience is.

  • Doug Chaney posted at 5:02 pm on Thu, Apr 25, 2013.

    advocate Posts: 502

    It still smells of the good ol" boys you once investigated for the Stockton Record, Jeff. Now you appear to be one of them. And mysteriously worked your way from "communications" expert to Parks and recreation director over at least two other capable long time employees? And you are still referred to as the spokesman for the COL according to the Sentinel. In my opinion, you and the city manager are the two management employees that would never have been chosen if it were not for the three votes of Johnson, Hansen and Katzakian. You all appear to have some sort of minor role in the lives of those who pull your strings.

  • Jeff Hood posted at 4:26 pm on Thu, Apr 25, 2013.

    Jeff Hood Posts: 28

    My 16-year-old son is a talented guitarist who plays in clubs in the Sacramento area and I am proud of him. The committee organizing this event (I was not part of it) asked if he would volunteer to play background music, as they felt live music would enhance the celebration. Members of the family being honored tipped him and complimented his playing. I did, too, out of appreciation for his contribution to the success of this event.

  • Josh Morgan posted at 3:47 pm on Thu, Apr 25, 2013.

    Josh Morgan Posts: 542

    Damn Doug, how did you find out? The police chief sent a patrol car to pick me up and take me to the event. On the way over we stopped at Wine and Roses and picked up some food and drink and of course we used the City credit card. After getting preferential seating and attending the ceremony the same patrol car picked me up. We headed downtown for a few cocktails at Rosewood. Instead of using the City credit card we used some of the money left over from the now defunct business district. The patrol car was no longer available to me so I drove home myself. I was stopped at the DUI checkpoint but once I told them who my friends were they let me through and gave me a escort home. Of course we did stop at Wine and Roses for a quick massage. It was on the house.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 2:30 pm on Thu, Apr 25, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1672


  • Ed Walters posted at 2:04 pm on Thu, Apr 25, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 638

    Mr. Chaney: You said it best yourself, since the homeless and those in need are not allowed to beg, panhandle or hold up a sign, why should anyone else be allowed the privilege. You don`t mention how the people you work with make a few bucks to feed their family. There is no dignity in begging or holding a "Will work for beer" sign at a freeway off ramp with a flea infested dog. If you have children, then they must be well connected also. Get a grip. I would caution you not to assume anything until the truth be known. Most of all, did you read the Editors note, evidently not, if you had your rather stupid letter would not have been written.

  • Ed Walters posted at 11:56 am on Thu, Apr 25, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 638

    Evidently Mr. Carver doesn`t get out much. To all street musicians a tip is welcomed but not required, I have been to "The City" many times along the Embarcadero and Pier 39 area, were everything from human statues, people playing an assortment of cans and barrels, to some very good sax and guitar players were preforming. All had some kind of a tip jar. Last year in Lincoln Center, some very good bands preformed, a tip jar was present to anyone who would want to contribute, although not required. As far as the Parks and Rec`s son is concerned, so what no big deal, in what way is this disappointing and disrespectful. No laws were broken, and just perhaps the young man was good at playing the guitar. You evidently have never walked School St. during the farmers market, good food and music, give It a try Ken.

  • Doug Chaney posted at 11:29 am on Thu, Apr 25, 2013.

    advocate Posts: 502

    Just the good ol' boys making sure they take care of their own first? Right Josh Morgan?
    Did everyone have to have an invitation from the event coordinators to attend? Who were the event coordinators?
    And I assume Mr. Hood was one of those "coordinators? It must be nice to be well connected or a city stuffed shirt to assure the good ol' boys and family get first pick? How much more nepotism goes on? Lifeguards and the youths that wok at Lodi Lake and those "summer jobs" around town? I work with many people that are struggling to have an opportunity to make a few bucks to feed their families and it strikes me as odd that anyone would be allowed to solicit at any city event. If the homeless and those in need are not allowed to beg, panhandle or hold a sign out why should anyone else be allowed the privilege only because they are well connected?

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:38 am on Thu, Apr 25, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I've noticed that all the musicians who perform at the Farmers Market also request donations.

    Not sure if they have to pay for their spot on the street.

    Perhaps this letter writer feels he and his wife were put in the awkward situation of enjoying the music, than walking away without donating as others were doing.

  • Kevin Paglia posted at 8:16 am on Thu, Apr 25, 2013.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2110

    I wish the city was MORE open to young musicians sharing their music in public... As long as it is suitable for public listening to.

  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:15 am on Thu, Apr 25, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1604

    I like street musicians that add interesting variety to events. You said you stopped to enjoy, if you found it entertaing pry open the wallet and kick in a little change.

  • Jonathan Shinn posted at 8:12 am on Thu, Apr 25, 2013.

    JRS Posts: 9

    First World Problems. If this was the biggest speed bump in your day, I'd say you've got it pretty good.

  • Todd Cronin posted at 7:17 am on Thu, Apr 25, 2013.

    Todd Posts: 143

    And WHY did you think this was disrespectful kenny????
    and exactly HOW is it derespectful to the family kenny????


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