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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:29 am, Sat Oct 27, 2012.

In response to Mr. Lucas' letter, "A modest proposal" on Oct. 13, I would first like to say "welcome to the arena of friendly argument and funny insults." However moot the issue may be, Mr. Lucas' only retort to my comment about the stock market crash of '29 was to repeat that Republicans held the White House prior to the crash. This is not an argument. Its like saying there were sunny skies for a week before the earthquake, thus sunny skies caused the earthquake. (Note: Earthquakes are not caused by sunny skies.)

I would like to argue the issue, but there is absolutely zero issue to argue. No one believes (much less can list) any conservative principles that are alleged to have caused the crash. I note Mr. Lucas makes no response to my statement that the Bush administration repeatedly tried to address the mortgage crisis but was stymied by liberal Congressmen and Senators — Republican principles did not cause our recent financial crash, but Democratic ones did.

Incredibly, Mr. Lucas thinks that "Clinton's" economic boom was the result of Obama-like policies. One need only read www.humanevents.com/2012/09/05/clinton-rejects-obamanomics-embraces-reaganomic to remind us of how Clinton did an about-turn after two years of failure; an about-turn that embraced conservative principles. Yet now, even the immoral Clinton and his wife blather on that spending (couched as "investment") is the cure for over-spending.

Liberals and facts are like the Taliban and hygiene.

John Herrick

Lodi

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23 comments:

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:31 pm on Mon, Oct 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Chaney, are you then a good old boy? You are often talk about it I was just curious. You seem to knowit all when itconmes to this topic as if you knoweac one by first name basis.

    Can you post names? Or are you just having fun?

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 4:28 pm on Mon, Oct 29, 2012.

    advocate Posts: 502

    Mr. Baumbach, of course you haven't. That's what being naive is all about.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:59 pm on Mon, Oct 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Chaney? I have never met a good old boy and wouldn't know where to find one.

    Is there some type of club to join? Is there a physical address where these people meet? Where do they get their funding? Maybe you could post a list of these people so I can understand what it is you are talking about. You seem to know so much about this and I am in the dark.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:40 pm on Mon, Oct 29, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1850

    Easy fix there, Eric. Don't read it.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:40 pm on Mon, Oct 29, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1850

    Oops. should have been one up.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:31 pm on Mon, Oct 29, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1850

    Kreeee-ash !!~

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 8:18 am on Mon, Oct 29, 2012.

    advocate Posts: 502

    Mr. Barrow, you've got that right. When the owner, editor and publisher are a long time part of the good old boys here in Lodi, I get the impression that the little bit of local news that appears in the paper, that it''s taboo to offend any of the good old boys or their groupies. You never read of any of the corruption or controversies behind the scenes involving city council, management, LPD, FPD, nor hardly ever see any articles about the good old boys clan and their backdoor dealings. It's always dismissed with conspiracy theory rebuttal and swept under the rug allowing those who created the controversy or corruption to remain unnamed to protect their not so positive reputation and standing in the community. This paper depends on the good old boys ads and receiving recognition for the same old stale awards for outstanding citizen or great businessman so they can see their names in the local gossip section and I find it funny that the leadership of this paper can't even admit that these are basically the same people that are barely keeping the paper afloat. The good old boys are a dying cult in this yet stale economy, with more years to come, and as they age and fade from the scene, the Lodi paper will no longer survive either. They made the choice long ago to cater to the certain part of the community and not all of Lodi, leaving the eastside, with mostly non-caucasian residents, completely out in the cold to build the morale and dying dynasty of the good old boys. Long live the Sentinel.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:04 am on Mon, Oct 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    But Mr Lucas, you did not say conservatives are "like" Taliban, you and your sister Cynthia Neely say they "are" American Taliban.

    That is completely diferent.

    That is why I said it was inflamatory since Taliban kill and harm their women for not following Sharia Law which is thir religion. Imagine having acid throw at your face because you looked at a man without being covered... would not happen in America.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:26 pm on Sun, Oct 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Eric, so sorry to hear of your disability. It musts be difficult for you.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:27 pm on Sun, Oct 28, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1850

    Yep, conservatives have a handful of talk radio stations, ONE TV station and hardly any major newsprint media and still the liberals whine. Even though liberal outlets outnumber conservatives by an astonishing lop sided margin, the polls don't reflect that advantage. What I really find ironic is how they are blasting the "1%'ers" when in fact there are way more "1%'ers" that align with and donate to Democrats than Republicans. Kind of like biting the hand that feeds them, but I have no doubts their rich minions will reap the rewards of their party loyalty in spite of their wealth. The ultimate in hypocrisy.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:09 pm on Sun, Oct 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Joe, Dont forget the LA Times and the San Franciso Chronicle toadd to the liberal list...

    Obvously, liberals are more in love with and appreciate dictatorships and organizations like unions that use force to get their way.

    They become upset when 100 % of what they want is not in compliance. How dare Lodi News Sentinel be fair and balanced...

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:52 pm on Sun, Oct 28, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1850

    Eric, thankfully CNN, MSNBC, Huffington Post, Yahoo, AOL, ABC, NBC, CBS,.TNN, CURRENT and a ton news media aren't biased at all, eh? LNS does a pretty fair job of printing BOTH sides of issues. After all, they let you and your liberal buddies post on here all the time. What does FAIR mean to you? Always reporting what you want to read, slanted to agree with your liberal viewpoint? Not gonna happen.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:42 pm on Sun, Oct 28, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1850

    Yoo Hoo, BoBBin, I have BIG news for ya. TALIBAN is not a race. Ergo, no racist comment, no apology necessary from anybody. Bone up on the difference between a RACE and an IDEOLOGY.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:57 pm on Sun, Oct 28, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1535

    The Lodi News sentinel is as biased paper has I have ever seen. No journalistic morals. No balance. No sense of fair play. Shame on them.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:25 am on Sun, Oct 28, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1850

    As BrainDead Biden would say, "MALARKEY".

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:26 am on Sun, Oct 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Lucas stated...The reason they( American conservatives) are like the Taliban are they are not content to live by their religious beliefs but feel they must impose it on others.

    How absurd... I am not religious and know many conservatives who are (religious). My family has never experienced any conservative to impose their religious beliefs on us.

    In contrast,I have experienced liberals' union thugery and their religion they want to impose on my family,. They forced us to use them even though we did not want it. It is like being raped in my opinion. liberals are much more like the Taliban than conservatives as unions are the secular left's religion. They live by unionism principles. They demand and impose union membership on innocent college graduates seeking work to pay off their student loans... they demand these students pay fees if they want to be a teacher or any other occupation the unions have taken over and infiltrated.

    Mr Barrow even stated that unions should use violence to impose their religion (unions) on people who just want to be left alone. My experience tells me that unions, violence, Chicago thugery, thanks to Obama, go hand in hand. What did Obama say?... if they (republicans) bring a knife, we (Obamas ‘crowd) will bring a bazooka to the fight. The Chicago way.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:31 pm on Sat, Oct 27, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    The reason they are like the Taliban is they are not content to live by their religious beliefs but feel they must impose it on others.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:17 pm on Sat, Oct 27, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    No Mr Lucas, the Taliban kill their women if they do not follow the men's religious belief.. that is not true with American conservatives that you insult by referring to them as American Taliban.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:06 am on Sat, Oct 27, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr lucas stated...Essentially low taxes on the wealthy and no financial regulation caused both financial disasters...

    The Wall Street Journal editorial page states that taxes paid by millionaire households more than doubled from $136 billion in 2003 to $274 billion in 2006 because of the JGTRRA.[2]

    The Heritage Foundation concludes that the Bush tax cuts led to the rich shouldering more of the income tax burden and the poor shouldering less... Maybe The Wallstreet Jounal and the Heritage Foundation is wrong... maybe the rich had low taxes... but somehow, I think Mr Herrick's position is more likely accurate.


    Why? Because during the George W. Bush administration, there was an increase in the numbers of people employed and the tax revenue incerased....

    •June 2001: 136,873,000 people employed
    •January 2008: 146,407,000 people employed

    Total Increase: 9,534,000 more people employed

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:42 am on Sat, Oct 27, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    The difference between the Muslim Taliban and the American Taliban is just a matter of degree. They both want to force women to abide by their religious beliefs.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:39 am on Sat, Oct 27, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Essentially low taxes on the wealthy and no financial regulation caused both financial disasters. These positions are of a quasi religious nature among the Conservatives. When put into place eventually they always lead to disaster. In some ways I hope the republicans win it all and put these policies in place. They will do as it historically done and we will have a financial disaster t5hat makes 2008 look like boom times. At least then we will not have to listen to their nonsense for a generation or two. That is what happened after 1029

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:24 am on Sat, Oct 27, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin appears to be very selective in her outrage... There are many posts and letters made by Mr Lucas and articles by his sister Cynthia Neely who compared the Taliban ( who are literally brutal and savage with woman ) to Republicans

    She is very supportive and complimentary of posts such as...
    .
    1. Mr Lucas posted... You and the Taliban are religious freaks who want to force their beliefs on everyone else. The fact is your treatment of women is just a matter of degree. Like you American Taliban types the Taliban want to use the law to control women and limit their rights as human beings. If you do not want to be know as the American Taliban quit acting in the same manner.

    2. Why cannot those decisions be left to her? It cannot be because you American Taliban types do not think these poor little darlin's cannot be trusted to follow your Mullahs, whoops I meant preacher or priest, religious edicts.

    3. Mr Lucas posted... These laws you American Taliban types that call for use of rape to shame women are grotesque in nature and if you do not stand up against it it says volumes on your true feelings about the rights of women.

    4. Ms Neely wrote...A realistic concern is whether, in this country, we are seeing a renewal of unequal treatment of women that was rejected decades ago, or whether we are now seeing a new set of rules for women, that is, Sharia Law — Republican-style.( of course Sharia Law makes adultry by woman a crime punishable by death, it keeps woman in homes without property rights as if a slave to man)

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:55 am on Sat, Oct 27, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Why is the Lodi News Sentinel printing racist comments like "Liberals and facts are like the Taliban and hygeine."

    I think an apology for not editing this is in order from Mr. Hanner.

     

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