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Posted: Saturday, November 3, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:26 am, Sat Nov 3, 2012.

Fourteen years ago, powers from Washington flexed its muscle through Title IX in Lodi by threatening to deprive Lodi Unified School District tax funding if the high schools did not integrate P.E. classes with boys and girls. They determined same-sex P.E. classes were a form of discrimination.

That Washington can manipulate local communities and take control to determine what is best for us is frightening. That is what I expect to happen in communist China or Cuba, but not United States of America.

An America I fear is one in which strings can be pulled from a federal power, where local citizens must comply and meet the demands of politicians from afar or face penalties and their wrath.

President Obama and his willing partners have transformed our health care system to be ruled by a 15-man board appointed by the president without congressional oversight. This board will decide how to cut costs, and dictates who wins and loses when it rations health care to Americans. Many people will suffer.

We have a choice this election. Vote for Romney, who wants states to control their destiny, or Obama, who wants Washington to determine the benefits Americans receive. Please vote Nov. 6 and transform America back to an America that our founders envisioned, not the Soviet Union.

Vote Romney to cut strings that Washington now has thanks to Obama's vision of socialism. It is not too late, but it will be after Nov. 6.

Darrell Baumbach

Acampo

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73 comments:

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:42 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I wonder if any of our resident Obama supporters would be willing to address the following...

    The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961. It indicates that Barack Hussein Obama was his father. At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in "Kenya, East Africa ". This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth.

    One question Obamanoids...[sleeping][sleeping][sleeping]

    How could Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet exist?

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:30 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1151

    "Take care Jerry!"

    I wonder how many more times he'll say "goodbye" ????

    Will it be like Frank Sinatra saying "I'm retiring" ???

    Hey Jerry, I'm Flabbergasted!!


    [thumbup]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:25 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1151

    "until things change"

    Sounds like spoiled child...

    Don't worry folks, he'll be back.

    This "Retrogressive" blogging is in his blood... he's addicted.

    [wink]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:16 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1151

    "not be posting much"

    This could be considered a gift???

    [beam]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:14 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1151

    "but will not be posting much at LNS until things change"

    Oh brother!!!

    I'm not buying it!

    [beam]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:09 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I think the funniest thing that Mr. Baumbach has written in this letter is his opening paragraph in which he complains about being forced to practice EQUALITY by the federal government.

    Maybe you should also protest the EQUALITY that the federal government granted women by the 19th Amendment. The EQUALITY granted by the federal government by the 13th and 14th Amendments.

    The EQUALITY granted by the federal government by the Voting Rights Act.

    Oh, I forgot, Mr. Baumbach is off stomping his little feet over having comments deleted...is this the "first time" for you, Mr. Baumbach? Out of 9,000 comments, have you placed any deleted ones in your data base?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:01 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Comparing Watergate, in which Richard Nixon tried to steal the election and then covered it up, had multiple members of his administration sentenced to years in prison, resigned and then was immediately "pardoned" by Gerald Ford (for what? - he hadn't been convicted) in order to head off any criminal prosecutions.

    HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    You do have a talent for writing, Mr. Kinderman- FICTION!

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:00 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    In his book Barack Obama talked about his fathers participation in WW II.

    Barack Obama’s “birth certificate” says his father was 25 years old in 1961 when he was born. That should have put his father’s date of birth approximately 1936. WW II was basically between 1939 and 1945...

    Just how many 3 year olds fight in world wars Ms. Bobin?
    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:51 am on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Comparing Watergate, in which Richard Nixon tried to steal the election and then covered it up, had multiple members of his administration sentenced to years in prison, resigned and then was immediately "pardoned" by Gerald Ford (for what? - he hadn't been convicted) in order to head off any criminal prosecutions.

    HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    You do have a talent for writing, Mr. Kinderman- FICTION!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:35 am on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    CBS News also reported that George Walker Bush had "issues" with his military service with the Texas Air National Guard.

    Look where that report got Dan Rather.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:15 am on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Kinderman, as usual, it is interesting and of value you read what you post. Hope you stay healthy and continue to add substance as you normally do. Ill be keeping up with what you write but will not be posting much at LNS until things change.

    take care Jerry!

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:21 am on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Why are you unable to digest the fact that the 1% you speak of are also Obama's top campaign donors? [sleeping]

    P.S. We have been educating and informing people about the events of 9/11 for 11 years! [sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:34 am on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    It is too bad you were not so zealous over the 9/11/2001 disaster. I wonder why that is? I do not know who is going to win tomorrow It is either the top !10 of 1% with Romney or the American people with the President.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:56 pm on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Sure Darrell...

    We interviewed Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, The Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:08 pm on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    http://youtu.be/dlX6wG45JLs

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:08 pm on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Anything other that news reports? Dan Rather? Andrew, you trust this reporter? I would not trust Dan Rather under any situation.

    This video talks about rumors..not facts. Andrew, I find it hard to believe that a person who is as skeptical as yourself about what you consider truth would be more demanding about what your consider absolute fact. I consider these two videos no better than gossip. Do you have anything more factual.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:58 pm on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    Ahhh, one more day of electioneering and the 2012 Presidential Election will finally be in the can. Of course after Tuesday is through either we'll be stuck with four more years of Barack Hussein Obama or we could very well have a new president ready to take over in January. Either way, there's going to be some very upset folks and those who will be very, very happy. Naturally I predict a Romney/Ryan victory. I'm not alone either.

    Regardless of who wins I hope the first order of business will be to find out exactly what happened in Libya on September 11, 2012 - and who knew what and when about the whole disaster. If Obama wins, this issue could very well haunt him throughout his second term, in much the same way Nixon had to deal with the Watergate scandal; I remember that very well – it wasn’t pretty. If so, it will be likely that whatever he has planned for us during Obama, Part II will be somewhat tempered. So – victorious or out of a job, an Obama second term might not completely “transform” our nation. We can only hope.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:54 pm on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Do MORE research. CBS News reported the same story.[lol][lol][lol]

    http://youtu.be/1OW4A-yd9BI

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:50 pm on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Good post Andrew, This is what I had read as well...

    My concern is how this board's power could evolve as time goes by. It can change and increase rationing even more than existing levels. ifexpenses and costs are not curbed, they will seek alternate ways to save money. I believe NIST from England was the model used.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:42 pm on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Andrew stated...Bin Laden was visited by the CIA at a hospital in Dubai before the 9/11 events.

    Andrew...I read the information at the link you provided... what is there that you would consider factual. According to analysis... There isn't a clear indication as to whether this story is true or not,
    First: the account is unsourced. Who is this partner? We don't know. It's a report of what the freelance writer Alexandra Richard says she's been told by this unnamed person. Is her account accurate? Is the unnamed persons account accurate? There's no way to tell.

    Second: it was unconfirmed. One or two other newspapers ran it, but they just reproduced what Le Figaro had already said. There was no independent confirmation, at least initially. And actually, an online translation uses the headline "CIA Agent Allegedly Met bin Ladin"

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:18 pm on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I earlier stated……Are you stating that the company denied coverage even though the contract provisions allowed for this procedures? Finally, you answered, One AGAIN - I am not talking about CLAIMS. I am talking about PRE-APPROVALS…
    Yes Ms Bobin, I know you are talking about the IPA … I was simply baiting you to articulate exactly what the situation was so that it was coming from you rather than me. Thank you for finally clarifying in your own words.
    So Ms. Bobin, tell readers why the IPA did not approve the procedure in detail. You previously stated… “Yes, the procedure was initially DENIED. Period…. You then offered some vague possibilities but none were conclusive enough for you to assassinate the goodness of the insurance company.. Some claims are initially denied and must be appealed… like I said before, that is normal procedure.
    You made it appear that the denial was unreasonable where in reality, it was not. There were grey areas that needed to be resolved. Similar is the Social Security system where claims are often denied then reversed.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 4:49 pm on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Bin Laden was visited by the CIA at a hospital in Dubai before the 9/11 events.
    [sleeping]
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/nov/01/afghanistan.terrorism

    It's so mindlessly entertaining to watch you people argue about a mythical event and taking the debate so seriously that you'll actually argue about whose mythical version is correct.

    Take a step back, and laugh at your collective insanity.[lol]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:12 pm on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    factcheck is wrong ..I saw Bill Clinton interviewd on cspan where he talked for over 30 minutes. He was very emotional and stated what I posted...

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:26 pm on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Ditto from below.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:25 pm on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Ooooooh! Well I guess Bill Clinton should have had psychic powers that enabled him to see into the future. Let's impeach him again for that!

    From FactCheck.org - which debunks your information above.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2008/01/clinton-passed-on-killing-bin-laden/

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:20 pm on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    You are being simply silly, Mr. Baumbach.

    If you think that the healthcare company that I am speaking of does not reflect all healthcare companies, then you need to change occupations because you are quite ill-informed about their policies and their pocketbooks.

    One AGAIN - I am not talking about CLAIMS. I am talking about PRE-APPROVALS. I know your expertise is claims processing, but beyond that you are quite in the dark.

    There exist, which I believe you should be aware, IPA's with which healthcare companies and mostly all physicians contract with, that control what specialists and services patients will receive. In our area we have at least 3 - Hill Physicians, Omni IPA/Medcore and Sutter Gould. Without an IPA's prior approval - YOU - the claims processor - will never see a claim because a service WILL NOT BE PROVIDED.

    On top of that, companies such as Blue Shield process only a portion of a member's claims - depending on coverage, the IPA is responsible for processing portions of a member's claim.

    I really feel foolish having to explain this to you.

    Simple heathcare industry "speak" that you seem not to be able to grasp.

    Even the most uninformed lay-person (plan member) knows these facts.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:59 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Continued

    http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/21/declassified-documents-shed-light-on-scramble-to-hit-bin-laden-before-911/

    By 1999, the Counterterrorism Center at the CIA had built up an impressive database on al Qaeda, and developed a healthy respect for its growing capabilities and meticulous planning. An internal study produced after the embassy attacks showed that al Qaeda had begun preparations to bomb the Nairobi mission fully five years before the actual attack. And a report in January 1999 — widely circulated within the Clinton administration — described al Qaeda as similar to a "global criminal syndicate" with a complex organizational structure and a presence in some 60 countries.

    On December 20, 1998, an internal CIA memo was sent by a field agent about a missed opportunity to "hit" Osama bin Laden while he was reportedly visiting a mosque near Kandahar, Afghanistan. "I said hit him tonight; we may not get another chance," CIA agent Gary Schoen wrote. "We may well come to regret the decision not to go ahead."
    The memo was sent to to Michael Scheuer, then head of the CIA's Osama bin Laden "station," and is one of more than 100 documents declassified and published by the National Security Archive this week. Although some have been previously cited or quoted in the Report of the 9/11 Commission, the raw documents themselves illustrate the frustrations and missteps in the hunt for Osama bin Laden and alarm among some at the CIA about al Qaeda's growing sophistication and its plans for attacking U.S. interests.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:58 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...Mr. Kinderman bemoans the contention that President Clinton declined to have bin Laden assassinated by the CIA

    Evidently, Ms Bobin must be calling Bill Clinton a liar as he has been quoted as saying the thing he most regrets from his presidency is not killing Bin Laden while he had the opportunity...

    This demonstrates that Mr. Kinderman has good character in bemoaning what Bill Clinton does.. In addition over 3000 dead people and their surviving families bemoan the fact that Bill Clinton was negligent in consciously letting Bin Laden live for another day....specifically 9/11/2001.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:39 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...First - I did not NAME the company, so therefore I am not "assassinating the good name of companies and people." So your response is completely EMOTIONAL and irrational.

    Ms Bobin...I said companies...not company, may a suggest an eye exam... I said companies since there are only 8-12 group health insurance companies left in our area Ms Bobin. Most have gone out of business thanks to people like you. You are giving all 12 a bad name by letting the reader guess which one you are referring to.

    Secondly, health plans normally do not deny claims they are contractually obligated to pay. – 90-95 % of all claims are paid as promised in a short period of time. . 5-10 % of claims are not paid initially due to borderline gray areas and not a covered expense by contract ( like cosmetic surgeries). There are appeal procedures in place and many are reversed once the claim is clarified. That is normal procedure.

    In contrast, The Social Security administration ( government controlled) denies disability claims in mass. Nearly 40% of all claims are denied resulting in people having to get attorneys to represent them to get a reversal. If health insurance companies denied serious claims like Social Security, politicians would hold hearings and hold insurance company's feet to the fire. Social Security however, is ignored by anti business people like yourself.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:23 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Section 1233 of the healthcare bill is rife with clauses that establish government control over the health care procedures you undergo particularly at the end of life. This section asserts that a government approved list of end of life resources will be established(Section 1233, p. 425) as well as the required “end of life counseling” every five years or if his/her health takes a sudden turn for the worst (Section 1233, P.425). It goes even further to say that a government board will determine what level of treatment you will receive, if any, at the end of your life (Section 1233, P.430). Section 1162 indicates that the government will mandate what it calls “outcome based measures,” which is a polite way of saying rationing (Section 1162, P.335).[sleeping][sleeping][sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:11 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Kinderman wrote: "So finally someone has found it appropriate to blame 9/11 on President George W. Bush. I suppose as some of us age and enter our Golden Years, we tend to forget things as they actually occurred."

    First - I am not in my "Golden Years," and my memory is perfectly fine.

    The fact is, that under George Walker Bush's administration, warnings of an impending plot were given and ignored. Perhaps you will remember an individual known as "the 20th hijacker" who was arrested prior to 9/11?

    Mr. Kinderman bemoans the contention that President Clinton declined to have bin Laden assassinated by the CIA. Who could know Clinton's intentions if true?

    The US/CIA has a long history of inserting itself into foreign countries' affairs and creating coups and assassinating elected officials that it perceived as threats, i.e., Fidel Castro (Bay of Pigs) and Salvadore Allende (CIA was authorized to prevent his election then assisted in the coup that overthrew his democratically elected government). Heck, we fought two brutal wars in Vietnam and Iraq because WE know better. And people wonder why the US may have a poor image beyond our borders.

    Allende's overthrow was especially a triumph for the US. After all, how proud we should be that the government we supported after Allende's overthrow thought fit to kidnap, torture and murder 30,000 Chilean citizens. A great day overall for the USA!!

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:00 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [thumbup]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:49 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Apparently, Mr. Kinderman does not watch much of Willard Mitt Romney on the campaign trail.

    He always has a teleprompter. Most public speakers do.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:48 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "Are you stating that the company denied coverage even though the contract provisions allowed for this procedures? You really enjoy assassinating the good name of companies and people... "

    First - I did not NAME the company, so therefore I am not "assassinating the good name of companies and people." So your response is completely EMOTIONAL and irrational.

    Yes, the procedure was initially DENIED. Period. The expense of the procedure was not justified by the probable outcome. Period. I do not wish to compromise the privacy of individuals, but suffice to say I know the individual involved. This case received some publicity locally, so the decision to deny care was reversed - however the reversal was based on the fact that the patient would most likely not outlive the time it would take to find a donor and was therefore a "safe bet."

    Choose not to believe this if you want. I really do not care what your opinion is because you REALLY do not know what goes on in the boardrooms of insurance carriers as much as you would like everyone to believe you do.

    You are SIMPLY a claims processor who pay claims AFTER procedures are approved and completed - you know nothing of what goes on before.

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "Tell the whole story Ms Bobin, you are leaving out important details that effect why a claim is denied."

    No "claim was denied." You are confusing "claims" with "approvals" for a procedure BEFORE it is done.

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "Obviously, your intent is it distort the case to make it appear that this would not habve happened under Obamacare."

    No "distortion" needed, Mr. Baumbach. YOU nor I could predict what would have happened in this case under the ACA. YOU are especially DISTORTING the purpose of your "death panels." I cannot fix your perception because it has become carved in granite in your mind. Your susceptiblity to misinformation is not repairable.

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "However, just the opposite is true. When this 15 man committee begins in 2014, these are just the situations that will be influenced... death panels, no doubt."

    From FactCheck.org (most likely a branch of the evil liberal media that spreads lies and misinformation):

    "Others have claimed an Independent Payment Advisory Board created by the law will be charged with rationing care. The 15-member IPAB — made up of doctors and medical professionals, economists and health care management experts, and representatives for consumers and seniors — is tasked with finding ways to reduce the growth in Medicare spending. But as we have noted before, the law explicitly says that the IPAB’s proposals “shall not include any recommendation to ration health care, raise revenues or Medicare beneficiary premiums … increase Medicare beneficiary costsharing (including deductibles, coinsurance, and copayments), or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility criteria.” (See page 490.)

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:13 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Beating Conservative Republicans, their insane ideas and the blows those ideas have done to our country could be considered revenge. It will never make up the harm that Conservative Republicans have down to our great country.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:14 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    yes, the Federal Coordinating Council For Comparative Effectiveness Research does exist. I understand completely your desire to ignore this reality.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:13 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    Oh, and what about "revenge?" Is that really a good reason to vote for someone?

    But more than that is "revenge" ever something a sitting president should encourage Americans to harbor in their hearts? Or is it simply because someone forgot to pack the Teleprompter?

    What a class act, huh?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:07 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    The fact (and point) is Mr. Liebich that Osama bin Laden - along with all of the events that took place on September 11, 2001 - could have been prevented had the previous administration to George W. Bush done something (ANYTHING) when they had the opportunity.

    Of course hindsight is 20/20. So perhaps no one should be blamed. But when it comes to elections, everyone can be held accountable for everything. It all boils down to just how smart or stupid the American people are on one Election Day. With the Libya debacle and its direct connection to 9/11 still fresh in the minds of Americans that ought to be enough to keep Obama from getting that second term he desperately wants.

    We're down to two campaign days now - mere hours - before what I truly believe is the most important election in my lifetime. Why so many Americans are so willfully blinded by this man who really brought nothing to the table but the color of his skin is a mystery to me. Black, yellow, brown, pink, green - it shouldn't matter. So much for Martin Luther King’s dream, huh? We really haven’t evolved too far since the 1960’s, have we?

    Maybe we should have elected the first female president in 2008. Oh no, anything but her!!!

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:40 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Your memory appears to be selective as well Darrell.[lol]

    http://youtu.be/KPh6Iv2GbcA

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:30 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr. Lucas stated...Darrell health insurance companies are evil

    Mr. Lucas, there are about 1000 men and women who live in the Lodi area and work at one of Lodi's largest employers and tax payers, Blue shield.
    These people are good people who are concerned and care for the customers they serve.
    Health insurance companies are not evil Mr. Lucas. The workers would not let that happen.

    If you want to talk evil...Obama flying off to Vegas for a party knowing of the attack on innocent Americans could have been prevented with his help…now that is evil Mr. Lucas…and supporting such a man is equally evil Mr. Lucas. Look in the mirror Mr. Lucas. Do you see evil? Maybe you are just confused as to what evil actually is.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:04 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Please explain how a President who assassinates American citizens without due process is evi? [sleeping]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:02 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Bin Laden was perceived a hero in the Muslim world Andrew, I cannot imagine any Muslim group would risk political suicide by turning over their hero to the hated George Bush.

    George Bush did not turn down any “legitimate” offer that would “not” hurt America's interests.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:55 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Obama is unquestionably impeachable. In fact, this has been the case since day 3 of his presidency, when he ordered a drone attack on Pakistan (a country with which we are not at war) that killed 28 people, several of which were reportedly children. But instead of being removed from office he was awarded the 2009 Nobel Prize for Peace? [sleeping]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:54 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    My point was you are a silly man making silly accusations that have no basis in truth... What was your point?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:44 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Your memory appears to be selective.

    The Taliban offered to hand Osama bin Laden over if the US provided proof that he was connected to 9/11. Bush turned the offer down.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/05/afghanistan.terrorism

    After the invasion of Afghanistan began in October, the Taliban again tried to hand him over, this time dropping the request for proof of bin Laden’s guilt.
    Bush again refused.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/17/afghanistan.terrorism11

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:40 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    Actually Mr. Baubach, we have one great reason to vote FOR Mitt Romney - Barack Hussein Obama.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:39 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    So finally someone has found it appropriate to blame 9/11 on President George W. Bush. I suppose as some of us age and enter our Golden Years, we tend to forget things as they actually occurred.

    Osama bin Laden was allowed to escape numerous times during the Clinton years. Indeed, what action(s) were taken after the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993? Shouldn't that have been a wake-up call to at least consider beefing up our national security? I suppose not, because some very nice fellas who felled the Twin Towers less than a decade later were given carte blanche access to our country's flying schools to learn how to pilot those four jets into not only the towers but the Pentagon as well. Had it not been for the heroics on the fourth jet, it would have taken out either the White House or the Capitol building.

    And if memory serves me correctly, there were numerous times when our intelligence-gathering community offered Bill Clinton bin Laden's head on the proverbial platter - but the offer was refused. Nice.

    And here we are in 2012 with yet one more attack in Libya and a president absolutely silent on the matter. Kind of makes one feel all warm and safe, huh?

    And still there are those who actually want to give this man four more years?!? Reminds me of the line from Forrest Gump – “stupid is as stupid does.” How apropos!

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 9:22 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1151

    "I've already canceled my health insurance"

    So your totally uninsured now??

    "If I need health care, Ill pay cash in Thailand"

    What if you have an emergency or accident??

    I don't know Darrell, sounds risky...

    Please tell us what's the point again??


    [huh]

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:14 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    To hear most people tell it, the health care industry over the past 30 years or so in this country has been absolutely worthless; has separated working class folks from virtually all of their savings; and love to see people in pain and die needlessly.

    That's not how I remember it as I was working for various companies after leaving the Air Force. In Sacramento, my health care was provided through Foundation. At that time I had two young children. Both at various times that we were covered by this system required medical care. I cannot remember once having a bit of trouble getting an appointment, seeing a doctor or specialist, receiving medications, etc. Perhaps time has caused me to forget?

    No, I don't think so. During another phase of my life I worked for a company that provided health care through Kaiser Permanente. I was newly married and had "inherited" three more children. All of them were immediately added to the plan and received excellent care.

    Of course there are stories where the care was not the best that it could (or should) have been. I experienced that while in the Service and through the various health care systems I mentioned above. But most often these problems were resolved; and when they weren't we found alternative ways to handle whatever came along.

    I'm sick and tired of people comparing our country to the likes of Castro's Cuba, Canada or even Great Britain - especially when people there have been clamoring for decades (or longer) to get treated in the United States of America.

    Finally, while I accept that our system needed to be improved, the way that this president went about it and at the time that he did it were all wrong. The nation was experiencing an economic melt-down that needed the attention of not only Obama's administration but Congress as well. Instead, we had a nearly one-year battle over this so-called "ObamaCare" that was not wanted by the majority of Americans. They needed jobs much more; jobs that would have helped them provide food, clothing and shelter for their families.

    So here we sit trillions of dollars in the hole, a mega-health system that will eventually be entirely run and managed by the government and still way too many Americans without work.

    Great job, Mr. President!! Oh, and by the way - what happened with Libya?

    Four more years?!? Not a minute longer than the Constitution provides.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:14 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Darrell health insurance companies are evil

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:09 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr. Lucas stated…Darrell the health insurance companies did it to themselves a long time ago.
    Mr. lucas, it is easy to give unsubstantiated drivel like you and Ms. Bobin. There are so many
    False or misleading stories just like the one Ms. Bobin spewed that it creates a false image in the mind of the reader. .. Just like the story you told on an earlier thread…

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 4:28 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1565

    Mr. Kinderman the intelligence agencies have provided reports showing that during this difficult situation protocol was followed. There is no conspiracy taking place, I suggest you read the reports. The fact that you, Fox news and of course Rush the Blimpster Limbo ( I only mention his fatness because of his remarks towards Chris" Christie a formal darling of the right, man when the wheels start coming of the train wreck is not far off) have politicized this event is shameful, taking the deaths of heroes of this country and selling them out for political gain is low. Sorry but there will not be an impeachment of the next President of the United States

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:56 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Darrell said:


    You really enjoy assassinating the good name of companies and people...

    Darrell the health insurance companies did it to themselves a long time ago.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:21 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...BTW - I worked for a healthcare company that DENIED a heart-lung transplant for a newborn here in Lodi - the parents couldn't do a single thing to save their child.

    Are you stating that the company denied coverage even though the contract provisions allowed for this procedures? You really enjoy assassinating the good name of companies and people...

    Tell the whole story Ms Bobin, you are leaving out important details that effect why a claim is denied. Obviously, your intent is it distort the case to make it appear that this would not habve happened under Obamacare. However, just the opposite is true. When this 15 man committee begins in 2014, these are just the situations that will be influenced... death panels, no doubt.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:13 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...We still do not have a single GREAT reason to vote for Willard Mitt Romney from his supporters, which means they will be voting in a vacuum - only the continuous Obama bashing.

    Maybe if you were Chevez or Castro, you might be right. But if you are concerned about the massive power grab that Obama has taken, there is a very good reason to support Romney.If oyu are concerned with umenployment and having a leader lead USA to a more prosperous economy, you would vote for Romney...

    Since Ms Bobin is so satisfied and happy with Mr Obama's failures, of course she would want four more years of increased failure.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:07 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Change stated...Folks, based on what been previously posted, I don't think the author of this letter is being sincere...

    response...based on how wrong each of your comments are, I do not think your opinion has meaning.

    Mr Change stated...I suggest that this is just more partisan shilling for Romney!

    Response... Absurd...I care about the kind of country my family lives in. Liberalism and Obama policies are not what I prefer. Hence, this letter.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:05 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Chang stated...."Take back our America"This title can't be right. Darrell, I thought you were moving to Thailand? …..

    Response... bizarre, I did not create the title, LNS did. In addition, Never said I was moving to Thailand.

    Mr Chang stated...And starving the "government tax dragon"?

    Response, I did say this... My point was that I am comfortable living without much money. I can influence liberal policies more by paying less in taxes .I am willing earn less money in order to pay less taxes... Im hoping many high income earners work less and enjoy life more. As a side benefit, it will help starve the government tax dragon...

    Mr Chang stated...And canceling your health insurance on January 1st, 2013?

    response...no, I've already canceled my health insurance. If I need health care, Ill pay cash in Thailand.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:48 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Heuer perceives...Without Obama care you can't just change plans if you have a preexisting condition. So without Obamacare there is no choice.

    Mr Heuer's ignorance is astounding...How unfortunate that people like him spread rumor and gossipy falsehoods concerning such important issues like preexisting conditions.

    HMO's in America are not allowed to have preexisting condition clauses in their contracts. They would be in violation of law if the did not pay claims based on preexisting conditions. .PPO plans do have preexisting clauses however, after one year of coverage, it is still covered.

    So in reality, it is misinformed people like Mr Heuer that simply harm others by articulating false claims about Obama”not”care.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 12:37 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1151

    "Impeachment"

    Just imagine...

    You get another 4 years...

    To write angry and mean spirited comments about the president.

    Dude, that's job security for an aspiring "Retrogressive" blogger.

    "Flabbergasted"


    [lol]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 12:24 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1151

    "Take back our America"

    This title can't be right.

    Darrell, I thought you were moving to Thailand?

    And starving the "government tax dragon"?

    And canceling your health insurance on January 1st, 2013?

    Folks, based on what been previously posted, I don't think the author of this letter is being sincere...

    I suggest that this is just more partisan shilling for Romney!!


    [beam]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:52 am on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Apparently, in Mr. Kinderman's book, getting 3000 Americans in New York, Washington, DC, and Pennsylvania murdered was just fine when he voted once again to elect George Walker Bush.

    Suddenly, four Americans will, in his estimation, be Barack Hussein Obama's Waterloo.

    Conservatives certainly have a wry sense of humor!

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:40 am on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Jerome, first of all they were not in the embassy. Benghazi was a consulate. That being said the only place this is being talked about is the Conservative media who as usual trying to trump up BS nonsense. This was most certainly a tragedy but nothing is going to come of it because there is nothing there. You gotta quit listening to these right wing media outlets and get back to the real world

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:36 am on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Talk about DESPERATE...this has to be one of the MOST amusing posts by Mr. Kinderman ever.

    We still do not have a single GREAT reason to vote for Willard Mitt Romney from his supporters, which means they will be voting in a vacuum - only the continuous Obama bashing.

    Why? There's nothing good to say - and as Mr. Kinderman states so well - Hopefully Willard won't say anything remotely dumb over the weekend.

    Strange that the individuals voting/cheering for Willard Mitt Romney have their biggest hope for success hinging on him not say something stupid.

    Maybe Ann Romney - whom I am listening to right now at a campaign event, will stomp her little feet hard enough to get her wish - "We deserve to be in the White House - it is our turn NOW!"

    Wonder how many "wings" will be added to the White House (at taxpayer expense) to accomodate family gatherings.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:08 am on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    You know you're getting to them Mr. Baumbach when you live in a state where all electoral votes are virtually guaranteed to go to Barack Obama, yet they still find the need to argue so vehemently against your position against him.

    Still, in spite of that fact I do believe Romney has an excellent chance of pulling this off so long as he doesn't say or do anything wrong over the weekend. No matter what Obama supporters claim about their candidate, they won't be able to explain Libya. I had thought that if there was a reasonable explanation for that hot item, Obama would have let it loose on Friday - that way there would be three whole days for it to sink in around the rest of the nation especially in those so-called "Battle Ground States." But it's his silence that may very well bring him down.

    But let's say he does win on Tuesday, which of course is still a very likely scenario. Libya doesn't just go away because Americans decided it wasn't important enough with the rest of his record to send him packing. Oh no - this could very well be Barack Hussein Obama's Waterloo, Watergate or whatever you might want to call it. Frankly, I hope it's not called Libya-gate. But it won't go away.

    Could it mean another impeachment of our chief executive might be in the offing? Many believe we would be unable to withstand such an event, especially since the last one wasn't that long ago and because we're still struggling to survive Obama's first four years. I say we should do whatever is necessary to preserve our nation and to lay the groundwork to undo the disaster of the Obama Administration.

    Time will tell as I could be wrong. Four Americans slaughtered like lambs on foreign soil aren’t all that important. But wait! An American embassy is not foreign soil. It is sovereign American soil. President Barack Hussein Obama may very well be in for his biggest campaign of his life - to stay out of prison.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:06 am on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Good ole Newt. Some one said "Newt is a dumb person's idea of what a smart person is." [beam]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:54 am on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Ole Darrell tells the truth about as much as his hero Mr. Romney

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:41 am on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    yes, Zzzzzzz..............

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:40 am on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1593

    HMOs already decide who gets it and who doesn't. Without Obama care you can't just change plans if you have a preexisting condition. So without Obamacare there is no choice.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:30 am on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Now aren't you being silly?

    If your current HMO has determined that they are not willing to pay for your newborn's heart transplant, just change plans! Midstream - opt out of one and pick up another!

    If your HMO decides your surgery to save your life on Monday is a no-go, pick up another plan on Tuesday.

    You are a real source of valuable information, aren't you, Mr. Baumbach?

    Iron fist? I think our representatives in Congress voted for the ACA - well, maybe MINE did, since you are anti-McNerny, Boxer and Feinstein. Too bad they didn't consult you, the expert, on the death panels before they voted, eh?

    BTW - I worked for a healthcare company that DENIED a heart-lung transplant for a newborn here in Lodi - the parents couldn't do a single thing to save their child.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:18 am on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Ezekiel Emanuel, the older brother of Rahm Emanuel, has written a book on what the government has in mind for old and poor people under Obamacare. Emanuel is the chair over at the Department of Bioethics at the National Institutes of Health and acts as a medical adviser to Peter Orszag at the Office of Management and Budget. In his book (Healthcare, Guaranteed: A Simple, Secure Solution for America), Emanuel writes that Medicare will simply disappear over time. Or rather, it will be starved to death.

    Supporters of Obamacare claim critics of the bill invented the term “death panels” and such language is not in the current bill. They are right. The language is contained in the stimulus bill.

    Guess who sits on the Federal Coordinating Council For Comparative Effectiveness Research Obamanoids. None other than Dr. Death himself, Ezekiel Emanuel.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:20 am on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated... Your allegation of "death panels" is completely false...

    Then Ms Bobin disagreed with herself by saying... Death panels already exist - have existed for over 20 years...

    Rarely does Ms Bobin reveal how right I am... thank you Ms Bobin...

    Ms Bobin confirms that death panels exist... but people had the right to change options if one plan excluded something you wanted covered. Now, Obamacare has driven a stake through the heart of choice and gave massive powers to one committee in Washington to decide who lives and who dies. Americans now will have to go to other countries if they want to live.

    Romney supported a states right to decide, Obama wants Washington to rule over all states with an iron fist.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:50 am on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Vote Romney?" What happened to YOUR candidate who predicted colonies on the MOON by the end of his second term?

    Sounds like leftovers are your "dish" of choice.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:48 am on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    More silly fabrications, Mr. Baumbach? And now you are against co-ed PE?

    Your allegation of "death panels" is completely false. Stop trying to scare people with your falsehoods. I know your dedication to Sarah Palin is unfailing, but have some dignity and think for yourself.

    Death panels already exist - have existed for over 20 years. They are called HMO's. It is really sad for an individual who is a self-proclaimed healthcare insurance expert to try to frighten people with your inaccurate statements.

     

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