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Ron Portal was not responding to my letter

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Posted: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:00 am | Updated: 6:31 am, Thu Aug 26, 2010.

On Aug. 7, Ron Portal states: "This letter is in regard to Jim Turner's letter, July 21." I disagree. It is not "in regard to," about, or responsive to mine. He proves it by lamenting that I have not learned, "There are bad apples in everything that humans are involved in," when, in fact, my letter dealt with that very matter — the presence of a particular human evil in our country. He ignored my subject.

Unless omniscient, he cannot know what I know or don't know or have or haven't learned. Thrice he denounces "big government," and lectures me on its inability to make imperfection perfect. He cannot know "most people," yet tells me how "good, hard-working and compassionate" most people are. My letter mentioned none of those subjects. It did not mention a proud tradition (which he awkwardly misstates) of the Marine Corps; nor the Constitution which he says "we must return to" but which, when I last checked, had not been left behind; nor an unidentified "it" which "is something we, as Americans" should practice; nor "caring for those who are unable." (Unable to do what? He doesn't say.)

Finally, his "big government" becomes "unrestrained and unfettered" and possesses an "altar" for worshipers. My letter said nothing about such things. So, how does his "regard" mine? Mine did not, as his does, resort to that nameless we which doubtless includes him, me, you and everybody else sharing his opinions and destiny.

I don't mind disagreement; I do mind when someone, who reads without understanding and writes unclear and incoherently, analyzes my character and criticizes my writing as rambling and disjointed. He's Pot, I'm kettle. I refer him to Matthew 7:3.

Jim Turner


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  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:36 pm on Fri, Aug 27, 2010.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2866


    That's the understatement of the century.

  • Craig Cawelti posted at 10:13 pm on Thu, Aug 26, 2010.

    Craig Cawelti Posts: 36

    Jim and Bob are living proof that God has a sense of humor.

  • Bob Silvano posted at 8:00 pm on Thu, Aug 26, 2010.

    Bob Silvano Posts: 145

    Mr. Kinderman,
    Interestingly enough, predicting anothers response is always easiest after having received it. Kinda like betting on a football game that you've seen before but no one else has. Contrary to your original analysis, I do believe in a supreme being. That, of course, would be me. I don't have to rely on prayer to get things done, and I'm never dissapointed. If I want to gamble, I'll go to Vegas. The odds are better.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 6:15 pm on Thu, Aug 26, 2010.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    Mr. Silvano, I really don't care much what you do with my suggestion. I only offered it to you - in no way did I insist that you follow it. Interestingly, your reaction was precisely what I had expected.

    You should also know that when you post a comment here, you're in essence talking to each one of us who reads it. Therefore, I felt fully justified and within the rules of the forum to reply as I did.

  • Bob Silvano posted at 4:51 pm on Thu, Aug 26, 2010.

    Bob Silvano Posts: 145

    Oh, excuse me, Mr. Kinderman. Was I talking to you? You'll turn the other cheek, of course, if I throw your suggestion in the trash.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 4:25 pm on Thu, Aug 26, 2010.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    Mr. Silvano, just as you seem to think that the use of Scripture is not necessary to make one's point, how would belittling the faith of others accomplish that same goal? It confuses me that you would exercise your absolute right to believe as you choose by disparaging those who have a different beliefs. In fact, I don't understand how making such comments make any sense at all. By the way, you should be aware that the majority of human beings believe in God in one form or another, placing you in the minority. Of course if you were simply trying to offend those of us who do believe in God and the Bible, at least with me you failed. While I will certainly pray that you (and others like you) will one day come around, such remarks have little impact on most believers.

    Your suggestion to Mr. Turner that he "stick to quotes from current time" makes even less sense. Are you serious in your contention that the words and/or thoughts of our ancestors have no relevance insofar as how we conduct our lives today? Or are you simply using such a broad brush so as to dismiss any Biblical references that you obviously find worthless? My suggestion to you then would be to at least exercise a little intellectual honesty.

  • Bob Silvano posted at 2:27 pm on Thu, Aug 26, 2010.

    Bob Silvano Posts: 145

    Jim Turner,
    Without ever reading your original post, I already don't trust you. I trust no one who has to quote the bible in order to make a point. Jim and Tammy Bakker did that. Jimmy Swaggart did that. Of course, there are sheep who still believe this hog wash, but I'm sure you're not one of them. I know for certain that I am not. In any event, the bible has nothing to do with whether you're right or wrong. Maybe you can stick to quotes from current time, and skip general biblical reference which is most often like a dream. It is without basis or fact, and can be interpreted in many ways to serve most any purpose.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:05 am on Thu, Aug 26, 2010.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    It has become apparent to me that Mr. Turner either takes himself much too seriously, doesn't understand the concept of an opinion page or is an ultra-sensitive fellow who is just not cut out for a good debate. At the very least he admits to suffering from a weak stomach.

    Rather than even attempt to argue the issues that others put forth, Turner is becoming legendary with his moaning and groaning over being ganged up on while seriously suggesting that the editor of this newspaper should re-print copies of others' letters that he himself would be criticizing. (His absurd request was predictably denied.)

    This forum is not intended to hurt anyone, so if he finds it so painful to read what others think of Turner’s "work" then perhaps he should refrain from his incessant whining about being "unread, misread, misunderstood, misrepresented and misquoted" especially when none of these things are true.

    Finally, I fail to see the relevance of his Scriptural reference at the end of this most recent disjointed and rambling missive. Still, at least I got a good laugh first thing this morning. Thanks again, Jim!

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:18 am on Thu, Aug 26, 2010.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Jim... I understand your frustration in that many times in this forum people respond to
    Letters like yours with what appears to be off topic remarks and unrelated issues.
    However, I think that is normal as we all have different world experiences and realities based on those experiences. For example… you think the constitution has not been left behind where as Ron does. It’s possible you are both right based on your interpretation.
    An example would be… Since abortion is not in the constitution as a constitutional right, Ron may have the impression that the constitution has been breached. You on the other hand may have the opinion that the constitution can change and evolve into modern society needs which the framers could not have anticipated. So from your perspective, the constitution is just fine.
    I do think that some of your objections are unreasonable though… for example, you said: “He cannot know "most people," yet tells me how "good, hard-working and compassionate" most people are”... can you not think that may be his world experience, that most people he comes across and observes are of good character and hard working? Of course if the only people he knew were angry union employees, he might have a different world view.


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