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Posted: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:19 am, Wed May 30, 2012.

According to information received from Lou Dobbs, a noted national economist, there is currently a bill snaking its way through Congress that applies to "amnesty" for illegal aliens.

I have not heard from any other source the mention of this proposed legislation. The promise of "transparency" seems not to be a requirement. Dobbs lists a few of the items in this bill that I feel most Americans would not endorse.

Americans do want fairness and compassion towards the less fortunate, but they do strongly resent political pandering by our leaders.

One of the inclusions to the bill is related to a limited and cursory review of an alien's application prior to qualifying them for Obamacare, and releasing them from any back tax obligations. It also covers provisions for an "earned income tax" credit and amnesty for those exiled. Of course the attorneys' fees for both would be picked up by the taxpayers.

Every morning, it seems we are bombarded by yet another ploy by our leaders to take away our freedoms or our hard-earned money. My overriding question is: Who in Washington keeps coming up with these harebrained ideas, and why must they always seem so liberal and costly?

Richard Viall

Woodbridge

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19 comments:

  • Robert Chapman posted at 8:24 am on Mon, Jun 4, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Lou Dobbs is a "noted" economist? Good grief, next thing you know someone will be claiming Obama is a "noted" President.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 12:41 pm on Sun, Jun 3, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    DB...no apology at the suggestion of the imitation apologizer msb is necessary...you were correct.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 12:59 pm on Sat, Jun 2, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    msb: Follow your thought: "Continuing living in ignorance..." Were I living in ignorance I would not know what ignorance is or was, therefore I would be not living in ignorance but bliss. You on the otherhand espouse ignorance knowing that it is ignorance...therefore you as a person refuse to see...which truly is being ignorant (adj).

    And the number is....(asked previously)? "IF" it exists...or more properly phrased: if YOU exist msb. Of course you always have BO and his crumbling domain (economy) to rely on. It IS the economy stupids....shhhhhhhhhh...change the subject...like little kids try to do when held accountable.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:21 pm on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin... ir matters not if there was a chain letter or not... it is irrelevent.
    It does not matter if you perceive an "if" or not... what matters is you are making something out of less than nothing.

    I asked him to identify the bill he was talking about. One should verify instead of assume. I wanted to know from his perspective what he was talking about. I do not care what you think he was talking about or if you are right or wrong.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:14 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "Pat got it right Ms Bobin... when I stated " This bill sounds like" ...it is assumed "IF" it exists as the letter states... "

    Surprise, surprise...neither of you "got it right." "If can in no way be "assumed" from your statement, nor does the letter writer even mention "if." Your statement is completely false as expected.

    Mr. Maple wrote: "stevie: stevie, stevie, stevie...the smart man isn't the one who knows everything (like you and your bud msb) but the one who knows where to find the info (or smart guests). "

    I "found the info" Mr. Maple in all of 30 seconds that this "information received from Mr. Lou Dobbs" was an old chain email from 2007 that has been revived to include the mention of the dreaded "Obamacare."

    Continuing living in ignorance and defending this type of nonsense. I'm sure you will benefit from your unwillingness to learn.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:53 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Bransom wrote: "I would apologize to Mr. Viall if I were you."

    Why is any apology necessary?

    Mr. Viall received a chain email with false information and then rushed out to write a letter to the editor informing all of the other gullible people in town that illegal aliens were about to get amnesty and a bunch of other freebies at taxpayer expense.

    He should be vilified and the LNS should run a correction to this nonsense.

     
  • Jerry Bransom posted at 9:00 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    Jerry Bransom Posts: 363

    I guess reading comprehension is the lost art, now replaced by the selfish witticisms imposed by groups of pseudo-pluralistic hijackers. I would apologize to Mr. Viall if I were you.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 10:00 am on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2361

    Or, in this case, the misinfo (lie).

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:16 am on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "May I ask, can you post the bill number so it can be reviewed. This bill sounds like it will cost the American tax payer big time..."

    Pat got it right Ms Bobin... when I stated " This bill sounds like" ...it is assumed "IF" it exists as the letter states...

    I always make an assumption that any person who reads a bill will not get it right. I ask for the bill number so I can read the actual legislation without any person's biased interpretation so I can draw my own conclusions.

    As far as what you know compared to myself Ms Bobin, it is irrelevant. Each person has experience another does not. I would expect you are more familiar with some subjects that I am not. In those areas I would expect you would know far more than I ever would. For example, you are expect at making others feel small and stupid where I am completely ignorant in how to to what you do so well.

    When I stated that you know much less than you think you do, it has to do with your attitude and what you perceive... not a comparison between you and any other person.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 6:05 am on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Who has credibility? The nano-second nancy or the sure-shot slurpee...or a man who has been in the economic realm for 3 years...BO?

    I will take Lou Dobbs and he people he brings to the table any day.

    msb: TRY reading what DB said. Clarification of a position is a preset for debate. If you have to tell someone you are smart...you have already lost.
    stevie: stevie, stevie, stevie...the smart man isn't the one who knows everything (like you and your bud msb) but the one who knows where to find the info (or smart guests).

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:20 pm on Wed, May 30, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "May I ask, can you post the bill number so it can be reviewed. This bill sounds like it will cost the American tax payer big time..."

    And then he wrote: "Seriously Ms Bobin... you believe I stated that such a bill exists?"

    Hopeless. Please God, give me the strength to not bother interacting with this person in any way any longer. And yes, I do believe I know a LOT more than you do or ever will know, Mr. Baumbach.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:36 pm on Wed, May 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Seriously, Mr. Baumbach? You still believe a bill exists?

    Seriously Ms Bobin... you believe I stated that such a bill exists?

    I do not assume truth as you do. if such a bill existed, I wanted to read it.
    Asking for evidence that a bill exists is the prudent and respectful thing to do. If he does not produce it, I will dismiss it.

    I could care less what you think you know as you consistently prove that you know much less that you think you do. (BAEC)

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:49 am on Wed, May 30, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Seriously, Mr. Baumbach? You still believe such a bill exists? (see my link below)

    Mr. Viall stated: "According to information received from Lou Dobbs..."

    Translated, for those who don't get it...this was a chain email that has been updated to include a reference to Obamacare.

    It took me all of 30 seconds to Google this piece of garbage that Viall feels the need to pass on to unsuspecting and gullible others like himself.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 10:37 am on Wed, May 30, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2361

    A friend of mine summed up LD perfectly when he said "Dobbs isn't an economist but he PLAYS one on TV".

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:37 am on Wed, May 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    One of the inclusions to the bill is related to a limited and cursory review of an alien's application prior to qualifying them for Obamacare, and releasing them from any back tax obligations

    May I ask, can you post the bill number so it can be reviewed. This bill sounds like it will cost the American tax payer big time...

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:34 am on Wed, May 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Schmidt stated...saying Lou Dobbs is a "noted economist" is like saying that Steve Young is a noted lawyer...

    I think Mr Schmidt's analogy is very faulty... Dobbs is well noted for his knowledge of economic issues and policies that effect the quality of life of all Americans... he is much more an economist than Steve Young is a lawyer... I personally would not call him an economist, but it is obvious what Mr. Viall was talking about ( A man noted for his knowledge of economic issues)... so much so that it appears to be petty and silly to criticize the term selected.


    Dobbs joined CNN when it launched in 1980, serving as its chief economics correspondent and as host of the business news program Moneyline on CNN. Dobbs also served as a corporate executive for CNN, as its executive vice president and as a member of CNN's executive committee. He founded CNN fn (CNN financial news), serving as its president and anchoring the program Business Unusual, which examined business creativity and leadership.
    Dobbs also is a regular columnist in Money magazine, U.S. News & World Report, and the New York Daily News.
    He has written two books that many economists appreciated...
    1. Lou Dobbs, Exporting America: Why Corporate Greed Is Shipping American Jobs Overseas (2004)
    Lou Dobbs, War on the Middle Class: How the Government, Big Business, and Special Interest Groups Are Waging War on the American Dream and How to Fight Back (2006

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:40 am on Wed, May 30, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Another example of a gullible person who takes to writing a LTE before checking any of the "facts."

    http://factcheck.org/2009/11/lou-dobbs-amnesty-claims/

    And, by-the-way, Mr. Viall, "Mr. Lou Dobbs" is NOT "a noted national economist." He is a cheap journalist who has been fired from more than one media outlet for his dishonesty about immigration matters.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:29 am on Wed, May 30, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2361

    Chuckle.... saying Lou Dobbs is a "noted economist" is like saying that Steve Young is a noted lawyer. Dobbs does have a Bachelor's Degree in economics and he is noted but it is not for any accomplishment in the field he studied in.

    The guy is media elite hack and the ignorance that comes from swallowing his brand of bilge uncritically is its own punishment. Of course, some might argue that Rick Viall has already been punished enough.....

     
  • Jerry Bransom posted at 1:12 am on Wed, May 30, 2012.

    Jerry Bransom Posts: 363

    I can answer your question: it is the greedy, power hungry idiots YOU keep voting for! VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBENTS!

     

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