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Posted: Saturday, March 30, 2013 12:00 am

Ever since George W. Bush responded to the attack on the World Trade Center by sending troops into the Middle East to either punish those who planned the attacks, look for weapons of mass destruction, or (depending on who you talk to) for oil, those on the liberal side of the spectrum have blasted him for that tough decision.

Now with North Korea becoming more and more hostile towards not only their neighbor, South Korea, but also threatening to launch missiles at us, I am curious for not only what President Obama will do, but what those who have condemned Bush think should be done now.

Should we wait and let North Korea kill thousands of South Koreans? How about when they attack Hawaii (as threatened)? Should Obama have a strong military reaction to this or, on the other end of the spectrum as one poster online suggested, should we send North Korea more money so they like us better?

Kevin Paglia

Lodi

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22 comments:

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:40 am on Sun, Mar 31, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    Enjoy your spring equinox from one of the heathen crowd. Watch out for those soggy easter eggs. Engoy that Chang beer with whomever took you up on your offer.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:26 am on Sun, Mar 31, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    [thumbup]
    Ed, comes from a long line of favorite uncles that always look for the unsuspecting to say "here, pull my finger.".

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 10:14 am on Sun, Mar 31, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1112

    "all dressed up and nowhere to go"

    Ed, same song everyday.

    The vocalist, lyrics and melody vary slightly...

    But it's always the same three chords!!!!!

    [smile]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 10:13 am on Sun, Mar 31, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1112

    PS. Happy Easter to godfearers and heathens alike!

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 9:56 am on Sun, Mar 31, 2013.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1982

    "Unfortunately, it offended you and you had it deleted."

    I Had nothing done to it. I would prefer most of the comments left up and maybe tagged by STAFF as across the line.

    Funny how less than a week ago I comment on one of your hateful comment that was deleted and now you turn around play a similar card on me. I point out your continuous hate reaction towards all you disagree with and then you respond with "confessing your hateful transgressions in this forum". You accuse me personal attacks on every thread while you do the same thing to several posters on the boards here. So why is it ok for you to launch in to personal attacks, repeatedly, but when someone points it out it is unacceptable to you?

    As for the Church scandals. The atrocious actions taken by the priests and those that protected them deserves to be in the media and draw ire from all. Continuous and passionate media (social and news) about these horrible actions are a MUST to bring the guilty to justice. As for your pure and untainted Episcopal church, do your OWN homework. A simple search will find they too have many lawsuits for sexual abuse INCLUDING ministers abusing women they were suppose to be counseling.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:48 am on Sun, Mar 31, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    And BTW, I am NOT "guided by hate" as you claim.

    If you feel that stating the facts about the Catholic Church is being "guided by hate," you need to step back and rethink your vision of people and the world.

    Hope you are at church right now celebrating Easter and confessing your hateful transgressions in this forum. You need to.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:45 am on Sun, Mar 31, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    If you were paying attention, Mr. Paglia, my original comment on your letter was designed to illustrate information about North Korea, including the US's history of "paying off" Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il to cut back on their threats of attack.

    The payoffs that YOU felt necessary to ridicule in your letter, as if nothing of the sort had ever occurred.

    Unfortunately, it offended you and you had it deleted.

    I turned the conversation to the Catholic Church, which you continuously claim I am attacking, to illustrate the reason for YOUR continuous PERSONAL ATTACKS on me on EVERY thread. GET OVER IT!

    And, if you feel you must, please give me examples of how the Episcopal Church has committed atrocities equal to priests who molest little children.

    I welcome the information.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 12:41 pm on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 489

    The ill feeling between Mr. Paglia, Joanne, Mr. Lucas and through in Jerome for good measure, you all sound like North v. South Korea, all dressed up and nowhere to go. The best way to stop N. Korea`s Ping Pong is to state that if any aggression is taken against the South, all Burger Kings in N. Korea will be first on the hit list.[smile]

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 12:03 pm on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1982

    I think Ms Bobin has been guided by hate so long that is all she thinks others are capable of as well.

    There is a very easy spectrum of action that can be taken with a hostile force from engaging them with military might all the way through to paying them to not be hostile. The US has done both, both have advantages and disadvantages.

    Funny how Ms Bobin took a letter about current events and real curiosity on my behalf of what people here thought SHOULD be done now and turned it onto an attack on MY faith and Church while accusing me of engaging in a personal attack on her. She is keenly aware of the crimes of MY church but deliberately ignorant of the same crime in her former church.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:29 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Ah, if things were just so simple

     
  • Quan Pham posted at 10:11 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    qpham63 Posts: 31

    Kevin Paglia is right on. If we had to, we go in we kick butt quickly and we go home. Let them rebuild the mess.

    We get sucked into nation building we would spend huge sums of money on building a nation for those who hates us.

    We have to accept the fact that we may have to still help to police the world but we don't have to build it.

    I personally don't think N Korea is ready to send nukes via long range ICBM but they can play havoc with S Korea or indirectly affect us by making nukes available to terrorists.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:37 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I think Mr. Paglia needs to get over my comments about the Roman Catholic Church. Since I made certain comments, his goal has been to make personal attacks on me on every thread AND in this current LTE.

    You asked on a prior thread what Christian denomination I belonged to because you were certain there must be pedophiles in that church. I am a non-practicing Episcopalian and as far as I know they are only "guilty" of ordaining gay ministers and a bishop.

    My husband is a non-practicing Roman Catholic who was raised in the Church and attended all-male Catholic Schools from Kindergarten to High School. He was never molested, as far as I know, but has intimated that friends of his were. The worst thing he suffered in Catholic school was the use of corporal punishment as the core disciplinary method.

    My favorite story is, while a member of the school's choir when he was about 12 or 13, the priest in charge of the choir kept listening for someone who seemed off-key. After several attempts to determine the culprit, he approached my husband, whose voice was changing, back handed him across the face, bloodying his nose and physically threw him out of the practice room and told him never to come back.

    Back in those days, no one thought much about that type of disciplinary method or gave a care about "self-esteem," which is really out of control these days. You just accepted that treatment as a way of life.

    But that is a far cry from the crimes committed during the past several decades.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:21 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Paglia wrote: "So you support giving money to people who scream they want to kill innocent people. Understood."

    I really do not understand why you act like you were born yesterday and have no knowledge of the world and how it works. I never said that I supported that - I stated that the history of our relationship with DPRK has always resulted in "threat issued, North Korea is appeased and stands down.

    What do you think the Iran Contra scandal was all about? Everyone's hero, Ronald Reagan, allowed his henchmen to sell arms to Iran, which at the time was under an arms embargo. The proceeds of the sales were then funneled to Nicaragua to fund the Contras, which, under the Boland Amendment, the US was prohibited from any further funding.

    The Contras were guilty of massive human rights violations, but Reagan supported them anyway as part of his plot to unseat the Sandinistas who were socialist.

    I'm sure it would curdle your blood to learn of all the funding the US has given to murderous regimes, but it happens/happened all the time. We pick winners and losers depending on their politics and/or economics and to heck with how many of their own people they have killed to achieve their aims. That is how politics in the world works.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:48 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    If giving them money to destroy their Nuclear arsenal was possible I would do it in a heart beat. Sadly that policy does not seem to work very well.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 8:12 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1982

    I agree.

    Unfortunately for South Korea, they would not have time to defend themselves like we would IF NK launched an attack. It is times like this I do not envy any president. There is no good answer. If you wait and see and they attack then thousands or more of innocent people could be killed. But if you send in troops early then YOU look like the aggressor. Even sending too many troops into the area can spark action, but if you don't then there is no defense for the innocent.

    Again, no envy for the president in situations like this.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:03 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I think a lot depends on getting Russia and China on board and presenting a united front. The thing about North Korea and Iran is that they just do not present a danger to us but everybody who is in range of their missiles. Nuclear devices in the hands of crazies is not acceptable.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 7:55 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1982

    I hope that Obama learns from Bush's mistakes (yes Bush made many mistakes in the Iraq actions). Primarily IF military action is needed it has to be more like the first Gulf war, fast, swift and in and out without leaving a huge presence so we don't look like the occupying force we became in the secong gulf war.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 7:52 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1982

    So you support giving money to people who scream they want to kill innocent people.

    Understood.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:25 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    If hatred were currency, Mr. Kinderman would be a very rich man.

    So true. Hillary said it best about people like Jerome. " If Obama walked on water they would complain he does not know how to swim". He calls himself a Conservative but he is really just a right wing fanatic blinded by his anger and resentments. He has lost the ability for rational thought because he spends his time petting and cooing to those resentments making them grow vastly out of proportion to their reality. Anger and resentment rules his world.

    What is amazing is that he claims to be a follower of Jesus though he has no understanding of the Jesus's teaching. Much of his message was about Jerome's problem but Jerome is blind to the fact that he even has a problem. If he were alive during Jesus's life he would have been with the people who went to Pontius Pilate

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:07 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    More bitterness. If hatred were currency, Mr. Kinderman would be a very rich man. Obama was awarded the Nobel Prize, whether deserved or not, the Nobel Committee made that decision - time to get over it.

    What exactly WERE "the untoward actions taken to get Obamacare passed?"

    And now suddenly President Obama is a "HAWK?"

    If Obama is a hawk, I cannot even imagine how you would describe George Walker Bush and D ick Cheney!! That would put both of them so far to the right they would simply slip off the political spectrum.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 2:57 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2349

    I wonder if the Nobel folks were apprised of what lurked below that smile of Mr. Obama's before they awarded him their coveted Peace Prize for actions (or inactions) he might take in the future. Perhaps that information may have been useful. His hawkish attitudes could be one reason why there’s been little talk about that little award of his, unless they’re secretly proud of the way he handled Benghazi.

    As for trusting this president, his actions in other areas of his presidency don't necessarily make him worthy, e.g., his untoward actions taken to get ObamaCare passed. But then again I supposed his means justified the ends even though we still aren't sure of what all those ends are going to be. Obviously, I don't trust him.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:00 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Good question, Kevin. The policy with North Korea has beed a disaster for over twenty years. They first tested the bomb in 2006 but who knows when they first got them. I think Bush Sr and Clinton are more to blame than George W. We should have never allowed them to build the device in the first place. If they wanted a nuclear device we should have sent them one from a submarine locked and loaded with the safety off. I feel the same way about Iran. Nuclear proliferation by crazies cannot be allowed. However, I trust Obama. He is not a fool, knows what the consequences are and is not afraid to do the hard thing. In fact, underneath that nice smile he can be pretty much a badaxx.

     

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