default avatar
Welcome to the site! Login or Signup below.
Logout|My Dashboard

History of the pope and England

Font Size:
Default font size
Larger font size

Posted: Thursday, March 21, 2013 12:00 am

I'd like to report on how we are affected by the pope and how he asserts power and "authority." In 1213, in England, there was a key event in history where the papacy asserted its power, proclaiming its authority with "permanent" effect upon British holdings and colonies, including us.

A cascade of events began in 1208, when King John refused to accept the Archbishop of Canterbury into the Catholic church of England. King John was exercising his diplomatic right to refuse to accept an ambassador from a foreign nation. The Catholic "church" is not just a church, but a sovereign nation by international right of having a claim of land. Also, by proxy, it has power to wage "holy" war, to enforce its foreign policies, much the same today as the United States uses the United Nations to enforce its foreign policies.

In response to the king's refusal, Pope Innocent III placed England under interdiction from the Catholic church. King John was excommunicated, and the pope could have authorized foreign kings to invade England to kidnap King John. In 1213 King John surrendered the kingdom of England, and on behalf of England agreed to pay 1,000 marks annually "to God and the Saints Peter and Paul" (to the Catholic church), and to accept the Archbishop of Canterbury.

This surrender was bound under treaty to be effective into perpetuity. That's a very long time, and it hasn't expired yet.

Two years later, the Magna Carta was signed under threat of sword. Although the Magna Carta is celebrated as a landmark document in history, it is a local agreement which cannot supersede international treaty of England with the papacy.

Today, the American people are joined with England's treaty with the pope. In spite of the Revolutionary War, our diplomatic representatives signed the Treaty of Paris, which gave recognition to the British monarchy as "Arch-Treasurer and Prince Elector of the Holy Roman Empire etc., and of the United States of America," and a series of confusing legal entities were constructed which are registered in England as corporations, including "United States," "The United States of America" "God We Trust," "E Pluribus Unum," and "People (The)."

Daniel Hutchins


Rules of Conduct

  • 1 Use your real name. You must register with your full first and last name before you can comment. (And don’t pretend you’re someone else.)
  • 2 Keep it clean. Please avoid obscene, vulgar, lewd, racist or sexually oriented language.
  • 3 Don’t threaten. Threats of harming another person will not be tolerated.
  • 4 Be truthful. Don't lie about anyone or anything. Don't post unsubstantiated allegations, rumors or gossip that could harm the reputation of a person, company or organization.
  • 5 Be nice. No racism, sexism or any sort of -ism that is degrading to another person.
  • 6 Stay on topic. Make sure your comments are about the story. Don’t insult each other.
  • 7 Tell us if the discussion is getting out of hand. Use the ‘Report’ link on each comment to let us know of abusive posts.
  • 8 Share what you know, and ask about what you don't.
  • 9 Don’t be a troll.
  • 10 Don’t reveal personal information about other commenters. You may reveal your own personal information, but we advise you not to do so.
  • 11 We reserve the right, at our discretion, to monitor, delete or choose not to post any comment. This may include removing or monitoring posts that we believe violate the spirit or letter of these rules, or that we otherwise determine at our discretion needs to be monitored, not posted, or deleted.

Welcome to the discussion.


  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:04 am on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1675

    Correction - Unam sanctam

  • daniel hutchins posted at 8:26 pm on Thu, Mar 21, 2013.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1342

    My claims of corporate subsidiaries can be found at If you find your parent corporation in this website, then you are a corporate subsidiary with respect to the parent corporation who operates this website.

    Be creative to navigate to company information. Literally search as if you are seeking to identify the articles of incorporation for a corporation, and if you want, you can purchase a .pdf image of the articles of incorporation for one pound.

    even though the terms were incorporated recently, these can be updates of previous recordations.

  • daniel hutchins posted at 8:23 pm on Thu, Mar 21, 2013.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1342

    Robert, The Pope ruled England and its holdings, including Ireland, and all corporate subsidiaries, beginning in 1213.

    Subsequently, the Pope made an explicit and open declaration of his supremacy in the papal bull Unum Sanctum.

    Google "papal bull Unum Sanctum"

  • daniel hutchins posted at 8:21 pm on Thu, Mar 21, 2013.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1342

    This topic is huge in comparison with my 350 word limit. I must've compiled 2000 words on this topic and on related facts, and it was necessary to condense it down to 350 words and eliminate a lot of valuable information before it could be published.

    You can be assured that there is a lot of related information.

  • daniel hutchins posted at 8:08 pm on Thu, Mar 21, 2013.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1342

    Eric, You wrote, "some sort of training or educational background."

    Let's just say that I have some friends whose educational sharing is priceless.

  • daniel hutchins posted at 8:07 pm on Thu, Mar 21, 2013.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1342


    Google "pope treaty 1213." Unfortunately, this brings up a long series of websites that all cut and paste from each other.

    An astounding document where the Pope openly declares that he owns everything is in the Unum Sanctum. Google "pope unum sanctum." The Unum Sanctum was 100 years later, in response to a conflict between the King of France and the Pope.

    Remember that if anyone would have questioned the Unum Sanctum, the Pope could have declared a "holy" war.

    Also remember that the Christian inquisitions brought 50-100 Million people to their deaths in Europe over a 1625 year period of papal power, which ended when Napolean Bonaparte sent his brother to kidnap the Pope, and he did. Thus ended the reign of terror until Italian Dictator Mussolini gifted a tract of land back to the Vatican. Today, this tract of land is recognized as a nation because it is upon a claim of land, and it is called "Vatican City."

  • daniel hutchins posted at 8:01 pm on Thu, Mar 21, 2013.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1342

    Eric, Sorry. I can't respond beginning late morning and through the afternoon while I am on the job. At my job, I can't even log in. This is frustrating when I can view the responses at the job, without being able to respond, because I cannot enter a password.

  • robert maurer posted at 4:44 pm on Thu, Mar 21, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 488

    my last post answers your questions. Check again. Heading title; when did the pope rule england, BBC history magazine. Of course, it doesn't answer Eric's question; only Daniel can answer it.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 3:34 pm on Thu, Mar 21, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1675

    I don't think Eric got an answer to his post below. Questionable that this would still be recognized by the modern UK and I don't see the effect on us in the USofA. Some quick searches (prompted by Mr Maurer below) fail to validate this claim of the Vatican "owning" the UK et al. It may have been true in the 13th century but today is very questionable. I am always interested in history so if any one else can shed light..

  • robert maurer posted at 10:53 am on Thu, Mar 21, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 488

    google pope and english history(one word) for more info.

  • daniel hutchins posted at 10:15 am on Thu, Mar 21, 2013.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1342

    The matter of the so-called "break-off" of the Church of England from the Catholic Church is a separate topic altogether which pertains to the principles of retaining control and ownership regardless of what name or “title” of ownership it is given.
    The most important prevailing principle is that the Pope retains control in accordance with the treaty of 1213. The treaty remains in place whether the Church of England is broken from Catholicism or not. Everything that is within the British realm is owned by the Pope regardless of whether the British people like to give it a separate name or not.

    Again, the separation into the Protestant movement came at a later date, and the battle which occurred between King John and the Pope erupted into a major event when King John rejected the Archbishop of Canterbury as the Pope's representative.

  • daniel hutchins posted at 9:57 am on Thu, Mar 21, 2013.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1342

    Typo: "In God We Trust."

    Remember: In the 1200's, the Protestant Church was not created yet. The Protestant movement originated in the 1500's.

    I was recently told (wrongly) that the Archbishop of Canterbury is Protestant. Nope. He is a representative of the Pope.

  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:52 am on Thu, Mar 21, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1604

    Daniel do you have some sort of training or educational background that make you an expert on papal history. I only ask because you do not site any sources so I assume that all this info comes from your own expertise on the subject.


Recent Comments

Posted 3 hours ago by Shane Marcus.

article: Letter: The drought is punishment

Greg Myers, There are some truthful things in your comment. However, God isn't punishing anyone for certain sins. Homosexual marriage, (e…


Posted 3 hours ago by Shane Marcus.

article: HIREvent job fair in Stockton on Tuesday

O my, let me just rush over there


Posted 4 hours ago by Shane Marcus.

article: 133-year-old safe delivered to family o…

Keep trying you never know, it may just open one day


Posted 6 hours ago by Steve Schmidt.

Posted 13 hours ago by Christina Welch.

article: Letter: Large class sizes are good for …

Are you really serious, Mr Arthur? When was the last time you were ever in a classroom? [huh]



Popular Stories



Your News

News for the community, by the community.

Mailing List

Subscribe to a mailing list to have daily news sent directly to your inbox.

  • Breaking News

    Would you like to receive breaking news alerts? Sign up now!

  • News Updates

    Would you like to receive our daily news headlines? Sign up now!

  • Sports Updates

    Would you like to receive our daily sports headlines? Sign up now!

Manage Your Lists