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Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 10:00 pm

On Thursday, June 15, during her commencement speech, Valedictorian Brittany McComb, of Henderson, Nev., was determined to tell her fellow graduates what was on her mind and in her heart.

But before she could get to the word in her speech that meant the most to her, "Christ," her microphone went dead. The decision to cut her speech short drew jeers from the nearly 400 Foothill High School graduates and their families and went on several minutes. The reason her microphone was cut by school officials and an American Civil Liberties Union Attorney is they believed she was beginning to proselytize.

In my mind the ACLU with its radical anti-God, anti-religion and anti-American agenda is wearing very thin. They have mysteriously convinced federal judges that a valedictorian making a speech expressing how her faith has impacted her life is actually the congress establishing a religion. It is indeed incredible how anyone capable of reasoning in logic could possibly conclude this ACLU argument to be valid, especially as a matter of law.

Sad to say, federal judges whose function it is to protect free speech in America are the very ones who have bought this lunacy and have ruled to abate the free exercise of speech in the public square where the term "Christ" is mentioned. This, despite the fact that Title 5 of the United States Code, Section 6103, declares Dec. 25th the birthday of Jesus Christ to be a national holiday. Hello!

F.W. "Bill" Stamos

Lodi

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65 comments:

  • posted at 5:16 am on Mon, Jul 10, 2006.

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    You guys are all morons and need to grow up!!! It obviously does take three Apes to screw in a lightbulb. (Dan, Skilos, and Leonard) And still they get nowhere!

     
  • posted at 4:09 am on Mon, Jul 10, 2006.

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    Now that you're back, Skrewloose, let's get back to that flag burning thing. Yes or no? How about profanity at the pulpit? Obcenities to children?

     
  • posted at 4:08 am on Mon, Jul 10, 2006.

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    I have alot to say, but you wouldn't read it.

     
  • posted at 3:42 am on Mon, Jul 10, 2006.

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    We're working hard to illuminate your darkness, Skrewloose. With our help you might finally wake up and see.

     
  • posted at 5:20 pm on Sun, Jul 9, 2006.

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    Try to pry yourself off your cross and take a break from your persecution complex long enough to read their posts.

     
  • posted at 3:22 pm on Sun, Jul 9, 2006.

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    Yes this smack down of Godless evil
    is what I see. L and D being the Godless Evil. Unless it's changed, The meek shall inherit the earth. Good going Brian and skilos.

     
  • posted at 3:08 pm on Sun, Jul 9, 2006.

    Posts:

    They had their feeding frenzy. I wonder what that seven month old will be like
    in years to come if his own father is anything like he portrays himself to be
    here. Disowning your own father is always an option.

     
  • posted at 3:03 pm on Sun, Jul 9, 2006.

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    Yes, Dan and Leonard are a disgrace. they remind me of the two bullies who didn't know when to stop. In the end, what was a victory to them was only an eventual expulsion from school. Get my drift?

     
  • posted at 3:00 pm on Sun, Jul 9, 2006.

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    It's amazing how Dan and Leonard are just looking to pick apart someone. I
    see how they gang up . They're willing to push the envelope
    and savor the moment when it all comes down to the patting themselves on the back that they have another conquest.

     
  • posted at 11:47 am on Sun, Jul 9, 2006.

    Posts:

    My wife's cousin is a psychiatrist and she says that when patients in institutions act out, they often lose their privileges (internet access).

     
  • posted at 10:39 am on Sun, Jul 9, 2006.

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    Dan, I am literally ROTFLMAO! Brian claims he doesn't smear anyone and then he goes on over the course of the next30 minutes to call you "stupid", "a dirty filthy" liar, a "weirdo", ect, ect. It looks like our boy has finally gone off his meds. CRAZY!!!

     
  • posted at 10:24 am on Sun, Jul 9, 2006.

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    You're a waste of time. I think I'll find a lamp post to bounce my ideas off.
    You've got the mental agility of a small
    soap dish. Have a nice life, WEIRDO!

     
  • posted at 10:08 am on Sun, Jul 9, 2006.

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    Facts don't lie. Skilos and I have no reason to smear or harbor contempt for our opponents. I have this vision that Leonard and Dan are foaming at the mouth
    as they write comments. This foam reminds them how many times they lied
    when they were children. Got Dial!!

     
  • posted at 2:34 am on Sun, Jul 9, 2006.

    Posts:

    So how do you feel about flag burning, Skrewloose?

     
  • posted at 2:27 am on Sun, Jul 9, 2006.

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    I'm not being deceitful, I'm being honest - a condition you apparently find foreign and uncomfortable.

     
  • posted at 2:21 am on Sun, Jul 9, 2006.

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    Dan, AKA Leonard, you have already lost the freedom of speech, freedom of religion, recently you lost the right to property and the black robed gods are restricting the president in his duties to conduct war. The courts were never meant to yield such power.

     
  • posted at 2:21 am on Sun, Jul 9, 2006.

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    Say anything that pops into your head anytime you wish. Or, better, plan ahead! Make arrangements to speak on one topic before a group and at the last minute switch speeches. Stand at a Republican rally and speak of recent Republican crimes.

     
  • posted at 1:25 am on Sun, Jul 9, 2006.

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    The new virulent version of Christian Jihadists are not happy to be near their god at church or in their hearts; they want enforced Government-Sanctioned Christianity invading every facet of every citizen's life.

     
  • posted at 7:53 am on Fri, Jul 7, 2006.

    Posts:

    or how to work in the lastest "witticism" from Hannity, Savage or PillBoy.

     
  • posted at 12:19 am on Fri, Jul 7, 2006.

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    As for victory or defeat, I would say that the fact that Skilos has been driven to making up "facts" tells you just about all you need to know. If your position had any merit, the truth alone would be enough to defend it.

     
  • posted at 11:34 am on Thu, Jul 6, 2006.

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    Dan: Ya gotta love a guy who sings the praises of slander mongerers like Ann "Hates 9/11 Widows" Coulter and then has the stones to claim that he has been vilified. You hit the nail on the head, any stains on Skilos' honor were put there by himself.

     
  • posted at 9:22 am on Thu, Jul 6, 2006.

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    Leonard, you can find support for any statistic you desire. The fact remains that separation of church and state is not now nor has it ever been codified into our laws. It lives only in the minds of those who are offended by the life of Jesus Christ.

     
  • posted at 5:17 am on Thu, Jul 6, 2006.

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    If we were to go with Church doctrine and define a Christian as someone who regularly participates in the community of Christ through Communion, that number would dwindle to around 25%.

     
  • posted at 5:05 am on Thu, Jul 6, 2006.

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    Skilos: With reference to your question about democracy (I imagine you have a lot of questions on that subject) polls consistently show that the VAST majority of Americans support the separation between Church and State.

     
  • posted at 3:33 am on Thu, Jul 6, 2006.

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    Leonard, Not so fast. The radical lawyers representing the ACLU would have found a way to rebuke this supposed state endorsement of religon had the microphone stayed on. It was the shock factor they wanted.

     
  • posted at 4:46 pm on Wed, Jul 5, 2006.

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    I will also go as far to say that many teachings that seem to be in direct conflict with Christ's teachings probably really aren't in Christ's eyes. I feel he's much more tolerant than many of his own followers.

     
  • posted at 4:42 pm on Wed, Jul 5, 2006.

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    Leonard, Yes I do support teachings in school that are in direct conflict with Christ's teachings. I firmly believe that evolution is more than a theory. I will go as far to say that evolution and creationism walk hand in hand. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

     
  • posted at 1:26 pm on Wed, Jul 5, 2006.

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    Skilos and Leonard... I just have to say that I LOVE when these blogs pop up... you at each others' throat... you are fun to follow... not condemning.. enjoying the read!

     
  • posted at 1:09 pm on Wed, Jul 5, 2006.

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    Given those circumstances and bearing in mind the audiences inability to rebut, to allow Brittany to deliver her religous harangue would have amounted to state endorsment of her message.

     
  • posted at 11:18 am on Wed, Jul 5, 2006.

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    Hello Richard; It is rare indeed to have a dialog concerning the Ecumenical Councils. The first council at Nicea in 325AD some work on the creed was done but it wasn't complete until the second Council at Constantinople in 381AD.

     
  • posted at 8:45 am on Wed, Jul 5, 2006.

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    Interesting to note, the trinity can be found nowhere in the Bible but it can be found in the Quran and it says to not say such a horrible thing about God, saying thing like 3 in 1 or a third of three.

     
  • posted at 8:43 am on Wed, Jul 5, 2006.

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    The formulation of the trinity was presented by Athenasius, an Egyptian Deacon form Alexandria, and was accepted by the Coouncil of Nicea in the year 325 A.D. more than three centuries after Jesus had left the earth.

     
  • posted at 8:25 am on Wed, Jul 5, 2006.

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    The issue is not about prayer, it is about freedom of speech. If the Congress ever made a law restricting religious speech in the public square it would die a quick death as the 1st Amendment would strike it down.

     
  • posted at 5:30 am on Wed, Jul 5, 2006.

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    Dan: You are absolutely correct. These guys are the modern Pharisees. If Christ were to come back today, they would be on ladders, nailing him to the cross.

     
  • posted at 5:28 am on Wed, Jul 5, 2006.

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    That should have read "support prayer in schools".

     
  • posted at 5:17 am on Wed, Jul 5, 2006.

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    In any case, I am willing to bet that Brian and Skildos both support in schools, a concept that is in direct conflict with Christ's teachings.

     
  • posted at 5:16 am on Wed, Jul 5, 2006.

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    My point about prayer was a general one. As the scripture indicates, Christ took a very dim view of those who used their faith as a fashion statement.

     
  • posted at 5:11 am on Wed, Jul 5, 2006.

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    This really is a simple open and shut case. This woman is free to say whatever she wants but the government is not obligated to provide a taxpayer funded rostrum for her. End of story.

     
  • posted at 4:35 am on Wed, Jul 5, 2006.

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    Richard; you quote from the New Testament as a proof text to discredit the essence of Almighty God. We Christians Worship Jesus Christ as fully God and fully man.

     
  • posted at 4:31 am on Wed, Jul 5, 2006.

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    Richard; In the History of mankind Almighty God has manifested Himself as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Nicene Creed was written by the first 2 Ecumenical Councils to correct false way of teaching.

     
  • posted at 3:29 am on Wed, Jul 5, 2006.

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    The most important thing to remember about all this is the ACLU's continuing
    futile attempts to free us from religon.
    It's freedom of religon in this country that makes it so great.

     
  • posted at 3:12 am on Wed, Jul 5, 2006.

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    Mr. "Sidestep the question" Leonard is at it again. At least he's consistent.
    That's not a compliment.

     
  • posted at 5:11 pm on Tue, Jul 4, 2006.

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    The formulation of the trinity was used to try and jusify their false worship. Just one problem. God is indivisible. God is one, a whole, and has never broken up into parts. Maintain God's unity in your worship of Him.

     
  • posted at 5:08 pm on Tue, Jul 4, 2006.

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    Jesus himself refused to be called good in Mark 10:18, what makes you think he would accept the title god or son of god? Jesus worshipped God and commanded his followers to do the same. Later generations fell in the trap of worshipping Jesus besides God.

     
  • posted at 4:50 pm on Tue, Jul 4, 2006.

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    Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord" Notice that Jesus said "the Lord our God", explicitly pointing out that he had a God. God doesn't have a god.

     
  • posted at 4:45 pm on Tue, Jul 4, 2006.

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    Luke 13:33, Mark 6:4, Matthew 21:11 all prove Jesus to be a Prophet of God. Mark 9:37, John 12:49, John 7:16 all prove Jesus was a Messenger of God. You believe in some of the book and disbelieve in the rest only desiring to please yourself.

     
  • posted at 11:00 am on Tue, Jul 4, 2006.

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    By the way Leonard, where does the Constitution or any law for that matter say that you can't say 'Jesus' at a public function?

     
  • posted at 10:58 am on Tue, Jul 4, 2006.

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    Her 400 fellow students and their families (I assume were taxpayers) jeered for several minutes when they cut her mic. Your problem Leonard is you hate the word 'Jesus' to be heard even if its way off in Nevada.

     
  • posted at 7:25 am on Tue, Jul 4, 2006.

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    By saying Jesus is not dead and all the other Prophets are dead, Christians are in reality condemning Jesus without even realizing it. The other Messengers' deaths signify a fulfillment of their mission, while Jesus' second coming indicates an incomplete mission.

     
  • posted at 5:25 am on Tue, Jul 4, 2006.

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    Skilos: Well, I think much the same about you. Your hatred of this country and the Freedom it stands for is almost pathological. That said, now that we both know where we stand, perhaps we can get back to discussing the issues.

     
  • posted at 5:13 am on Tue, Jul 4, 2006.

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    Leonard; in my opinion you have some very serious mental problems. Do try to focus!

     
  • posted at 5:02 am on Tue, Jul 4, 2006.

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    That particular lie must be very convenient to you.

     
  • posted at 4:53 am on Tue, Jul 4, 2006.

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    Leonard, I already responded, Islam is taught in many California public schools, some are even required to take Islamic names and dress the part.

     
  • posted at 2:51 pm on Mon, Jul 3, 2006.

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    And by the way, just because someone doesn't believe the "Quaran" and some quack who keeps preaching the Muslim religion over and over, does not make them a "Holy roller prosecuting Christian."

     
  • posted at 2:50 pm on Mon, Jul 3, 2006.

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    I know I am going to regret this, but according to your scheme, what race are Australian Aborigines?

     
  • posted at 12:03 pm on Mon, Jul 3, 2006.

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    Skilos: The fact that you choose to turn a blind eye on the actions of Christian hate groups does not mean that they do not exist.

     
  • posted at 12:01 pm on Mon, Jul 3, 2006.

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    Manoli: No one would deny that there are foreign countries in which Christians are persecuted. In THIS COUNTRY, however, it is the Christians who are doing the VAST majority of the persecuting.

     
  • posted at 8:31 am on Mon, Jul 3, 2006.

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    Thank you for your stimulating conversaton Richard as I enjoy it but now I have to go for I have been on the computer too long. Have a wonderful 4th of July holiday.

     
  • posted at 7:24 am on Mon, Jul 3, 2006.

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    For example, Matthew 19:17 says, "And he (Jesus) said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS."

     
  • posted at 7:17 am on Mon, Jul 3, 2006.

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    To Leonard; I am not an evangelical Christian. I am Greek Orthodox, we have never had a reformation or counter reformation, nor do we proselytize. We believe the Holy Spirit brings people into our Christian community.

     
  • posted at 7:12 am on Mon, Jul 3, 2006.

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    Then how do Christians base their faith on the writings of a man who did right around the same thing? Paul never met Jesus nor was he a chosen disciple of Jesus and when confronted by James, a true Disciple, paul was rebuked for directly contradicting Jesus' teachings.

     
  • posted at 6:12 am on Mon, Jul 3, 2006.

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    Skilos: That would be a yes or no question.

     
  • posted at 3:45 pm on Sun, Jul 2, 2006.

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    OTH I was at Needham for the 7th and 8th grade in 1945 and 1946.

     
  • posted at 1:19 pm on Sun, Jul 2, 2006.

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    Actually, Christ is not even Jesus' name. The word christ is a shortened version of the Greek word christos which was a weak translation of the Aramaic word Messiah. In fact, Jesus was not even Jesus' name. Jesus is a Latinized version of the Aramaic name Eesa.

     
  • posted at 9:33 am on Sat, Jul 1, 2006.

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    The 4 liberal and 1 moderate judge sitting on the U.S. Supreme Court today is a great threat to the American way of life. Just two days ago the news reported that Bush loses and that the Congress must write an Act to give him the authority over detainees.

     

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